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"Kurt Nicklas" |
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30 Jun 2005 05:15:08 PM |
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!Most Iraq Homicide Bombers Are Not Iraqi |
AP: Most Iraq Suicide Bombs by Foreigners By PATRICK QUINN and KATHERINE
SHRADER, Associated Press Writers
Thu Jun 30, 1:46 PM ET
BAGHDAD, Iraq - The vast majority of suicide attackers in Iraq are thought
to be foreigners — mostly Saudis and other Gulf Arabs — and the trend has become
more pronounced this year with North Africans also streaming in to carry out
deadly missions, U.S. and Iraqi officials say.
The bombers are recruited from Sunni communities, smuggled into Iraq from
Syria after receiving religious indoctrination, and then quickly bundled into
cars or strapped with explosive vests and sent to their deaths, the officials
told The Associated Press. The young men are not so much fighters as human bombs
— a relatively small but deadly component of the Iraqi insurgency.
"The foreign fighters are the ones that most often are behind the wheel of
suicide car bombs, or most often behind any suicide situation," said U.S. Air
Force Brig. Gen. Don Alston, spokesman for the Multinational Force in Iraq.
Officials have long believed that non-Iraqis infiltrating the country through
its porous borders with Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia were behind most
suicide missions, and the wave of bloody strikes in recent months has confirmed
that thinking.
Authorities have found little evidence that Iraqis have been behind the
near-daily stream of suicide attacks over the past six months, U.S. and Iraqi
intelligence officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the
subject's sensitivity.
There have been a few exceptions.
On election day Jan. 30, a mentally handicapped Iraqi boy, wearing a suicide
vest, attacked a polling station. An attack on a U.S. military mess hall in the
northern city of Mosul in December that killed 22 also was believed to have been
carried out by an Iraqi, as was a deadly June 11 attack on the heavily guarded
Baghdad headquarters of the Interior Ministry's feared Wolf Brigade.
Since 2003, less than 10 percent of more than 500 suicide attacks have been
carried out by Iraqis, according to one defense official. So far this year,
there have been at least 213 suicide attacks — 172 by vehicle and 41 by bombers
on foot — according to an AP count.
Another U.S. official said American authorities believe Iraqis are beginning to
look at suicide bombers as a liability. "Just as there is no shortage of people
willing to do this, nor is there any shortage of targets, and they tend to be
police," the official said.
The trend doesn't mean Iraqis aren't part of the bloody insurgency: On the
contrary, Iraqi insurgents are thought to be responsible for much of the
violence and fighting in the country, although most of those are non-suicide
attacks.
"I still think 80 percent of the insurgency, the day to day activity, is Iraqi —
the roadside bombings, mortars, direct weapons fire, rifle fire, automatic
weapons fire," said Kenneth Katzman, a Middle East expert with the Congressional
Research Service, which advises U.S. lawmakers.
But he added: "The foreign fighters attract the headlines with the suicide
bombings, no question."
The key role of foreign fighters in suicide attacks is one reason many senior
military officials, including the top U.S. general in the Middle East, tend to
view the war in Iraq as slowly developing into an international struggle against
militant Islam.
The military brass say Islamic extremists like Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and his
al-Qaida in Iraq organization are determined to start a civil war in Iraq by
attacking Iraqi security forces and members of the country's Shiite majority.
"It's not about one man. It's about his network," the top general in the region,
U.S. Gen. John Abizaid, said recently. "His network exists inside Iraq. It's
connected to al-Qaida. It's got facilitation nodes in Syria. It brings foreign
fighters in from Saudi Arabia and from North Africa."
One Iraqi official, Sabah Kadhim, an Interior Ministry spokesman, said the
suicide attackers' main aim "is to keep the country in chaos."
They have managed to do just that.
In all, there have been more than 484 car bombings since the U.S. handed
sovereignty to the United States one year ago, and the pace of attacks has
escalated since Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari's government was named two
months ago. Those attacks alone, mostly car bombs and suicide attacks, have
killed about 1,350, according to an AP count.
A suicide bomber was responsible for the single deadliest act since the fall of
Saddam Hussein two years ago — a Feb. 28 attack against a medical clinic in
Hillah, south of Baghdad, that killed 125 people. Al-Qaida claimed
responsibility for the attack by a man driving a pickup truck.
Another Interior Ministry official, Lt. Col. Ahmed al-Azawi, said some suicide
bombers are as young as 15 — and he insisted that none were Iraqis.
The foreign militants are believed to come into the country for only a short
time before they are sent on a suicide operation, said one senior U.S. military
intelligence official in Iraq, who asked not to be named for security reasons.
"They are brought in, there is a lot of indoctrination that is forced on them
here and they are moved very rapidly into a mission to deliver the bomb to
commit suicide," the official said.
A U.S. official in Washington shared that assessment.
Overall, the number of foreign fighters coming into the country seems to be on
the rise, compared to six months ago, Abizaid said. "There's probably about
1,000 foreign fighters and about somewhere less than 10,000 committed insurgents
in the field," he said.
Of the 10,000 people being detained in Iraq, about 400 are foreigners, the U.S.
military says.
The majority of foreign bombers in Iraq are believed to come from countries in
the Persian Gulf, mainly Saudi Arabia and Yemen as well as Jordan, U.S.
officials say. They say many are transported to Syria and then smuggled into
Iraq, mostly overland through Qaim — a frontier city in Iraq's western desert.
U.S. Marines taking part in a major operation around Qaim on June 20 found
foreign passports and one roundtrip air ticket from Tripoli, Libya, to Damascus,
Syria. They also found two passports from Sudan, two from Saudi Arabia, two from
Libya, two from Algeria and one from Tunisia.
Up to 20 percent of the bombers might be from Algeria, according to forensic
investigations after attacks, senior U.S. military officials have said on
condition they not be named for security reasons. Another 5 percent each might
be from Morocco and Tunisia, the officials said.
"We've also seen an influx of suicide bombers from North Africa, specifically
Algeria, Tunisia and Morocco," Abizaid said.
Robert Baer, a CIA officer from 1976 to 1997 who spent the much of his
career in the Middle East, recently returned to the region for a month to study
suicide bombers as part of an investigation for Britain's Channel 4. His trip
included a 10-day visit to predominantly Shiite Iran.
Baer said Sunni Arabs who take carry out suicide attacks feel Shiites are
attacking Sunnis in Iraq. "They look at the war in Iraq as an attack on Sunni
Islam, not Iraq, not Saddam," he said.
In interviews while visiting prisons, terror groups and government officials, he
was told that there are so many suicide bombers coming out of the Persian Gulf
states that the loose networks that deploy jihadist martyrs — many run through
mosques — are turning away potential attackers.
He said the mentality is: "They have taken what is ours and they will take more
if we don't stop them."
--
Kurt Nicklas
"I'm stating truths, not making an
argument."
---Scott Erb (scotterb@worldnet.att.net)
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| User: "Jenny6833A" |
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| Title: Re: !Most Iraq Homicide Bombers Are Not Iraqi |
01 Jul 2005 11:09:11 AM |
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Kurt Nicklas wrote:
!Most Iraq Homicide Bombers Are Not Iraqi
The ones bombing from airplanes and helicopters certainly aren't.
:-)
Jenny
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| User: "Toby" |
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03 Jul 2005 01:43:50 AM |
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LOL!
You made my day.
Toby
"Jenny6833A" <Jenny6833A@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1120234151.517654.56570@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
!Most Iraq Homicide Bombers Are Not Iraqi
The ones bombing from airplanes and helicopters certainly aren't.
:-)
Jenny
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| User: "Noble" |
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| Title: Re: !Most Iraq Homicide Bombers Are Not Iraqi |
02 Jul 2005 12:40:39 PM |
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Kurt Nicklas wrote:
AP: Most Iraq Suicide Bombs by Foreigners
That's correct, they are Israeli MOSSAD.
That's what the Iraqis have been saying all along.
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| User: "Noble" |
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| Title: Most Iraq Homicide Bombers Are Jews |
02 Jul 2005 12:42:13 PM |
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Kurt Nicklas wrote:
AP: Most Iraq Suicide Bombs by Foreigners
That's correct, they are mostly Israeli MOSSAD.
That's what the Iraqis have been telling us along.
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| User: "Hü©klëßë®®ÿ Hö§hïmötö" |
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| Title: Re: Most Iraq Homicide Bombers Are Jews (You MUST be a mental midget!) |
02 Jul 2005 02:12:38 PM |
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I didn't know that Iran was populated with Jews!
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| User: "Noble" |
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04 Jul 2005 07:35:14 PM |
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H=FC=A9kl=EB=DF=EB=AE=AE=FF H=F6=A7h=EFm=F6t=F6 wrote:
I didn't know that Iran was populated with Jews!
Most of the death squads and car bombers in Iraq are members of
Israel's MOSSAD, as well as some from American forces. They have been
assassinating Sunni clerics, and setting off car bombs around Muslim
Mosques, in an attempt to foment a civil war. The Iraqis are aware of
these attrocities and Sunnis and Shias had fought side by side against
the mrrkins during the seige of Falluja (a result that was the exact
opposite of which Israel and the U.S. had hoped for).
A few months ago, American forces butchered Muslims at prayer inside a
Mosque (some of this slaughter was included in footage showing a U.S.
soldier murdering a wounded Muslim man in a mosque)...most of Iraqi
public opinion associates the U.S-Israel nexus with the desecration of
Mosques (including the car-bombings).
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: !Most Iraq Homicide Bombers Are Not Iraqi |
01 Jul 2005 07:32:07 AM |
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Kurt Nicklas wrote:
AP: Most Iraq Suicide Bombs by Foreigners By PATRICK QUINN and KATHERINE
SHRADER, Associated Press Writers
Thu Jun 30, 1:46 PM ET
Welcome to the REAL coalition of the willing. At least their
leaders tell them the truth and take part in the fighting.
Bob Dog
Atheist #153 = 1^3 + 5^3 + 3^3
EAC's chief cook and brainwasher
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"You won't find any opposition to the idea of evolution among
sophisticated, educated theologians. It comes from an
exceedingly retarded, primitive version of religion, which
unfortunately is at present undergoing an epidemic in the
United States."
- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Scott Erb" |
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01 Jul 2005 07:45:23 AM |
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<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
news:1120221127.204913.184610@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
"You won't find any opposition to the idea of evolution among
sophisticated, educated theologians. It comes from an
exceedingly retarded, primitive version of religion, which
unfortunately is at present undergoing an epidemic in the
United States."
- Richard Dawkins
Nice quote! Do you have a cite for it, I may want to use it sometime.
I went to a Lutheran school, and our biology professor gave a little ten
minute talk about how evolution was not "just" a theory, and that there was
nothing that contradicted scripture. I thought it a bit odd that he'd go
off on that bit, figuring everyone recognized scientific progress. But I
realized later that there were a lot of people who had been fed some kind of
pseudo-scientific crap (and this was over 20 years ago, things have gotten
worse) and needed to get some sense shaken into them. It's not bad where I
live, but when I read about creationists in the deep south trying to infect
schools, I realize that one downside to politics is that if ignorant people
can figure out how to get power, they can do a lot of damage. Anyway, I was
just curious if you had a cite for the quote -- if not, I'll try to search
myself for it. Thanks!
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| User: "Johnny Asia poki_pongo at yahoo.com" |
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01 Jul 2005 10:58:07 AM |
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Iraqi insurgents are thought to be responsible for much of the
violence and fighting in the country, although most of those are
non-suicide attacks.
"I still think 80 percent of the insurgency, the day to day activity,
is Iraqi — the roadside bombings, mortars, direct weapons fire, rifle
fire, automatic weapons fire," said Kenneth Katzman, a Middle East
expert with the Congressional Research Service, which advises U.S.
lawmakers.
Robert Baer, a CIA officer from 1976 to 1997 who spent the much of
his career in the Middle East, recently returned to the region for a
month to study suicide bombers as part of an investigation for
Britain's Channel 4. His trip included a 10-day visit to predominantly
Shiite Iran.
Baer said Sunni Arabs who take carry out suicide attacks feel Shiites
are attacking Sunnis in Iraq. "They look at the war in Iraq as an
attack on Sunni Islam, not Iraq, not Saddam," he said.
He said the mentality is: "They have taken what is ours and they will
take more if we don't stop them."
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=5&u=/ap/20050701/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_suicide_missions
Foreigners Blamed for Iraq Suicide Attacks
By PATRICK QUINN and KATHERINE SHRADER, Associated Press Writers
BAGHDAD, Iraq - The vast majority of suicide attackers in Iraq are
thought to be foreigners — mostly Saudis and other Gulf Arabs — and
the trend has become more pronounced this year with North Africans
also streaming in to carry out deadly missions, U.S. and Iraqi
officials say.
Authorities have found little evidence that Iraqis have been behind
the near-daily stream of suicide attacks over the past six months,
U.S. and Iraqi intelligence officials said, speaking on condition of
anonymity because of the subject's sensitivity.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
Want to know what's really going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
NOTICE: This post contains copyrighted material the use of which has not
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| User: "John LaVoy" |
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01 Jul 2005 09:10:08 AM |
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"Scott Erb" <scotterb@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:DVaxe.1060374$w62.613636@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
news:1120221127.204913.184610@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
"You won't find any opposition to the idea of evolution among
sophisticated, educated theologians. It comes from an
exceedingly retarded, primitive version of religion, which
unfortunately is at present undergoing an epidemic in the
United States."
- Richard Dawkins
Nice quote! Do you have a cite for it, I may want to use it sometime.
I went to a Lutheran school, and our biology professor gave a little ten
minute talk about how evolution was not "just" a theory, and that there
was
nothing that contradicted scripture. I thought it a bit odd that he'd go
off on that bit, figuring everyone recognized scientific progress. But I
realized later that there were a lot of people who had been fed some kind
of
pseudo-scientific crap (and this was over 20 years ago, things have gotten
worse) and needed to get some sense shaken into them. It's not bad where
I
live, but when I read about creationists in the deep south trying to
infect
schools, I realize that one downside to politics is that if ignorant
people
can figure out how to get power, they can do a lot of damage. Anyway, I
was
just curious if you had a cite for the quote -- if not, I'll try to search
myself for it. Thanks!
When people are fed a diet of "revealed truth", the need to engage in
rational thought evaporates.
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| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
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02 Jul 2005 08:30:06 AM |
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On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:10:08 -0400, "John LaVoy" <jlavoy@pobox.upenn.edu> wrote:
<SNIP>
When people are fed a diet of "revealed truth", the need to engage in
rational thought evaporates.
or they start vomiting.
Ben
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: !Most hang-up Phone callers are from North Carolina---like KNICKKERS |
30 Jun 2005 06:30:44 PM |
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On 30 Jun 2005 15:15:08 -0700, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru>
wrote:
AP: Most Iraq Suicide Bombs by Foreigners
Yeah, well NOW they are.
Ya stupid *****
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NOSPAMrocketmail.com (Kurt Nicklas) wrote as if right wingers had a
clue
Rapidnet has ALREADY had 9 complaints against you?
Really? Your ISP allows threats of violence? Interesting........
Rapid net allows laughing at dumb assholes,
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