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08 Jun 2005 04:30:37 AM |
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Most worstest subject in the whole widest world & stuff |
Absolute worst subject (in my opinion) on
alt.atheism:
Politics.
Let's not kid ourselves, there are NO political
discussions on alt.atheism.
We never get to the politics, debating the actual
policies. We debate reality itself.
"There were no WMDs in Iraq."
"Yes there were!"
"The economy sucks."
"The economy is on fire!"
"Bush stole the election."
"Bush won a mandate!"
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| User: "Ordog" |
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08 Jun 2005 04:43:44 AM |
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JTEM wrote:
Absolute worst subject (in my opinion) on
alt.atheism:
Politics.
Let's not kid ourselves, there are NO political
discussions on alt.atheism.
We never get to the politics, debating the actual
policies. We debate reality itself.
Unfortunately atheism has serious social implications. Our religious
opponents use right wing political parties to silence us and interfer
with our daily lives.
That is why discussions on this forum usually end up talking politics.
To tell you the truth, we are collectively all sick of hearing about
Iraq. But this is a war that is fought on religious as well as on
economic power political principles. This war was not caused by
atheism! And it does not seem to go away.
Ordog
"Beware of the man whose God is in the skies." Bernard
Shaw
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| User: "Ike" |
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09 Jun 2005 07:05:32 AM |
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"Ordog" <odbok001@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:1118223824.741721.251540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
JTEM wrote:
Absolute worst subject (in my opinion) on
alt.atheism:
Politics.
Let's not kid ourselves, there are NO political
discussions on alt.atheism.
We never get to the politics, debating the actual
policies. We debate reality itself.
Unfortunately atheism has serious social implications. Our religious
opponents use right wing political parties to silence us and interfer
with our daily lives.
That is why discussions on this forum usually end up talking politics.
To tell you the truth, we are collectively all sick of hearing about
Iraq. But this is a war that is fought on religious as well as on
economic power political principles. This war was not caused by
atheism! And it does not seem to go away.
Ordog
The war in Iraq was caused by secularism vs. monotheism. Secularism is the
modern version of polytheism. The gods live in man's subconscious mind. They
express themselves through creativity in secularism. The reaction against
secularism by monotheistic philosophies, leads to conflicts.
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| User: "Ordog" |
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09 Jun 2005 07:22:55 PM |
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Ike wrote:
The war in Iraq was caused by secularism vs. monotheism. Secularism is the
modern version of polytheism. The gods live in man's subconscious mind. They
express themselves through creativity in secularism. The reaction against
secularism by monotheistic philosophies, leads to conflicts.
I am convinced that the Iraq war had multiple causes.
Yes secularism was one cause although I do not accept that secularism
is just polytheism in a different guise.
Saddam, obviously an ugly dictator, was quite secular in a political
environment that was dominated by quite ortodox Islam. That is why the
West tried to use him to curb the dominance of Islam. For all the talk
about democracy, USA is happily supporting dictatorships if they serve
its political and economic interests (See Pakistan).
What was the problem with Saddam? He became uncontrollable:
1.He was anti-Israel.
2.He failed to destroy the militant religious government in Iran.
3.He had a lot of oil, which he could withhold from the USA at any
time.
4.He wanted to grab Kuwait, an other oil rich country.
His greatest crime was his control over oil. His second greatest one
was being anti-Israel and pro Palestine. Having in Washington a
plutocratic pro fundamentalist Christian-Jewish power block government
made the situation untenable. Bush had to get rid of Saddam no matter
at what cost. 9/11, the war on terror and the non existent weapons of
mass destruction were the very ill chosen excuses to start this war.
This shows very well that on our side of the war there was quite a
mixture of monotheistic and secular motivation at work.
However one can not blame atheism for this war. There are atheist who
supported Bush just as atheists who did not. I happen to be one of the
latter. My critique is not that Saddam was removed but that he was
removed with disregard to great human suffering. I am critical of
government lies. I am critical of fundamentalist religious
expansionism. I am critical of the way how Israel behaves. I am
critical of USA wanting becoming a World-Empire. But I am also critical
of terrorism and militant Islam.
Ordog
"Beware of the man whose God is in the skies." Bernard Shaw
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| User: "atheist@home" |
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09 Jun 2005 11:36:24 PM |
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On 8 Jun 2005 02:43:44 -0700, "Ordog" <odbok001@sneakemail.com> wrote:
JTEM wrote:
Absolute worst subject (in my opinion) on
alt.atheism:
Politics.
Let's not kid ourselves, there are NO political
discussions on alt.atheism.
We never get to the politics, debating the actual
policies. We debate reality itself.
Unfortunately atheism has serious social implications. Our religious
opponents use right wing political parties to silence us and interfere
with our daily lives.
It doesn't appear that anyone has silenced you or the very loud
radicals at American Atheists for that matter though American Atheists
has tried their best to interfere with the daily lives of and silence
others on occasion.
And who is and how are they interfering with your daily life?
Can you offer up some specifics?
I know that personally I have not been denied the right to vote, have
never been asked at a resturant if I'm an atheist or believer, don't
have to drink from a water fountain set aside for atheists only, have
not been denied the right to express an opinion...that I can in fact
come and go as I please without restriction.
It really would help if you could be more specific.
That is why discussions on this forum usually end up talking politics.
To tell you the truth, we are collectively all sick of hearing about
Iraq. But this is a war that is fought on religious as well as on
economic power political principles. This war was not caused by
atheism! And it does not seem to go away.
Ordog
"Beware of the man whose God is in the skies." Bernard
Shaw
"Beware the man who spews forth vague and meaningless political
rhetoric."
atheist@home#1554
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| User: "atheist@home" |
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09 Jun 2005 11:05:13 PM |
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On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 05:30:37 -0400, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Absolute worst subject (in my opinion) on
alt.atheism:
Politics.
Let's not kid ourselves, there are NO political
discussions on alt.atheism.
We never get to the politics, debating the actual
policies. We debate reality itself.
"There were no WMDs in Iraq."
"Yes there were!"
"The economy sucks."
"The economy is on fire!"
"Bush stole the election."
"Bush won a mandate!"
Well you see...when every opinion is absolutely true and every opinion
is absolutely false it's a bit difficult to make sense of
any of it.
Politics: The art of of division, distraction, deception, destruction,
de lie, de lie, de lie.
There are just as many if not more "true believers" in politics as
there are in religion.
And they are just as sold on their scriptures, beliefs, saviors and
priests as any religionist.
And they all have and hate their devils.
I remember what an odd and somewhat sadly comical idea it was when I
first realized it.
I laughed till I nearly cried.
atheist@home#1554
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| User: "JTEM" |
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09 Jun 2005 11:36:04 PM |
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"atheist@home" <atheist@home.com> wrote
There are just as many if not more "true believers"
in politics as there are in religion.
We haven't agreed often, so maybe I should avoid mentioning
the fact that I agree with you here. You know, to avoid rocking
the boat...
And they are just as sold on their scriptures, beliefs, saviors
and priests as any religionist.
"We."
Not "They," say "We."
Never exempt yourself. You only hope of ever rising above
it is to remain certain that you haven't. The moment you think
you're past it, the instant you let down your guard you're
just as vulnerable as the next guy.
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| User: "atheist@home" |
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10 Jun 2005 12:20:07 AM |
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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 00:36:04 -0400, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"atheist@home" <atheist@home.com> wrote
There are just as many if not more "true believers"
in politics as there are in religion.
We haven't agreed often, so maybe I should avoid mentioning
the fact that I agree with you here. You know, to avoid rocking
the boat...
Actually I think we've been in agreement on this point for quite a
while though we haven't directly discussed it.
And they are just as sold on their scriptures, beliefs, saviors
and priests as any religionist.
"We."
Not "They," say "We."
Never exempt yourself. You only hope of ever rising above
it is to remain certain that you haven't. The moment you think
you're past it, the instant you let down your guard you're
just as vulnerable as the next guy.
I'm trying to keep that in mind.
In the past several months I've been trying to come up with a new way
of viewing things.
Something that will help to keep the mind clear and unobstructed by
political bias.
The best I've come up with so far is to try my best to be a detached
observer and view current circumstances as history being written and
nothing more.
As strange as it may sound that involves giving up on the concepts of
"hope" and "faith" in a sense but I think I'm justified in doing so.
I do know this...almost everybody lies depending on circumstances and
if the person you love the most says he or she loves you, double and
triple check the claim to the best of your ability before you accept
it as being true.
And even then accept it with reservations.
atheist@home#1554
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| User: "JTEM" |
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13 Jun 2005 05:41:14 PM |
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"atheist@home" <atheist@home.com> wrote
In the past several months I've been trying to come up
with a new way of viewing things. Something that will
help to keep the mind clear and unobstructed by
political bias.
I don't think that could be done. It's against human nature.
That is to say, we are biased. We see things differently
then the next guy. Period. We were raised differently,
we have different personalities and we have entirely
different priorities.
What's more important, capturing the bad guys or
protecting the innocent?
If we all saw things from the same perspective we
wouldn't be having debates on the Patriot Act, amongst
other issues.
I once had someone defend the death penalty, saying that
an innocent person wrongfully executed was no different
than a soldier dying for his country on the battlefield.
It was a sacrifice some innocent would make for the
benefit of the nation.
Apparently, that person saw catching & punishing the
bad guys as the goal. Myself, I see it a means to an
ends, that ends being the protection of the innocent.
From my perspective, his "argument" for the death
penalty did a pretty good job of condemning it.
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| User: "atheist@home" |
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13 Jun 2005 08:30:01 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:41:14 -0400, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
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"atheist@home" <atheist@home.com> wrote
In the past several months I've been trying to come up
with a new way of viewing things. Something that will
help to keep the mind clear and unobstructed by
political bias.
I don't think that could be done. It's against human nature.
I'm afraid so.
That is to say, we are biased. We see things differently
then the next guy. Period. We were raised differently,
we have different personalities and we have entirely
different priorities.
True, but suppose the only priority was learning the tuth?
But that requires information and human nature being what it is the
information we rely on may not be accurate.
And as you say we see things differently and everybody involved may be
honest in their accessments of a situation but see it in a totally
different light.
I hate to say it but five people who see a thing differently may all
be right to degree.
What's more important, capturing the bad guys or
protecting the innocent?
Ah...there we go :-)
If capturing the bad guy who is an armed robber and his capture
protects the innocent that would be important.
But not important enough to violate the law.
If however capturing the bad guy who is armed with a functioning
nuclear weapon that could kill thousands and sticking strickly to the
Constituation might keep us from catching him thus allowing him to set
it off what do we do then?
If we all saw things from the same perspective we
wouldn't be having debates on the Patriot Act, amongst
other issues.
I still haven't read the thing.
I'm actually surprised given the fact that I distrust and detest
government as much as I do.
I'm afraid I've reached the point that I don't believe we have any
control over what is going to happen in the future.
That if it isn't the Patriot Act it will be something else.
I once had someone defend the death penalty, saying that
an innocent person wrongfully executed was no different
than a soldier dying for his country on the battlefield.
It was a sacrifice some innocent would make for the
benefit of the nation.
Sheesh.
As long as it wasn't the person who accepts that or someone he or she
loves.
Apparently, that person saw catching & punishing the
bad guys as the goal.
I once felt that way myself.
Myself, I see it a means to an
ends, that ends being the protection of the innocent.
From my perspective, his "argument" for the death
penalty did a pretty good job of condemning it.
I agree.
Strange way to view it.
I had been pro death penality for years until I wandered into a.a.
I had been reading the wrong literature.
I thought I was being educated in the subject.
I was pretty angry at having been decieved.
And it's the heavy study of history that has convinced me that we
can't trust anything being said regarding current events and that's
not a comfortable place to be.
It would be so much easier to just choose a party and trust them.
To read a thing and accept it as fact.
Or maybe it's healthier not to.
I know it's funny that some in a.a. insist I'm a Republican when there
are things the Republicans believe and do that I feel are a bigger
threat to freedom than much of what the Democrats do.
It's sort of either or politics I think.
You are either a Republican or a Democrat but can't be something in
between.
Go with God or go with the Devil :-)
atheist@home#1554
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13 Jun 2005 09:12:25 PM |
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"atheist@home" <atheist@home.com> wrote
I hate to say it but five people who see a thing
differently may all be right to degree.
Generally, what they see is "Right" for their goal,
their priorities.
It would be so much easier to just choose a party and
trust them.
Yes it would. And it would be easy for those of us (and,
no, that isn't an all inclusive "us") to the left do as the
neo-cons do, and automatically rubber stamp everything
our political "Leaders" say & do.
But I can't.
I was watching (on the Sundance Channel) Al Franken
last week, when he was discussing illegal aliens. I
heard little -- if anything -- I could agree on. In fact, I'd
say they did a pretty good job of NOT discussing solutions.
And they did.
I know it's funny that some in a.a. insist I'm a Republican
when there are things the Republicans believe and do
that I feel are a bigger threat to freedom than much of
what the Democrats do.
Well, we don't see your feelings. I know that I only respond
to your words, and the context, rather than what I imagine
your personal history to be.
It's sort of either or politics I think.
It is exactly that, come election time.
You are either a Republican or a Democrat but can't be
something in between.
Well that's not true. In fact, it's quite annoying that the right
keeps making these claims. Michael Moore, for example,
not only spent 8 years bashing Clinton, but endorsed Ralph
Nadar in the 2000 election. Yet, the lunatic right insist that
all those who are not Republicans are Democrats, and that
Michael Moore is a Democrat.
What Michael Moore actually says & does is irrelevant,
according to the right.
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| User: "Ordog" |
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10 Jun 2005 12:57:29 AM |
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"atheist@home" <athe...@home.com> wrote
yet again
In the past several months I've been trying to come up with a new way
of viewing things.
Something that will help to keep the mind clear and unobstructed by
political bias.
The best I've come up with so far is to try my best to be a detached
observer and view current circumstances as history being written and
nothing more.
I am excited to hear this new revelation! Pure of disturbing political
thoughts of people dying in an endless war, etc. etc. etc. Wait till
some new Hollywood films come out on this "historical subject". Navel
gazing in the meantime!
As strange as it may sound that involves giving up on the concepts of
"hope" and "faith" in a sense but I think I'm justified in doing so.
There is "hope" for you. Giving up on "faith" is the first step to get
your brain working again! Are you really an atheist?
I do know this...almost everybody lies depending on circumstances...
I assume this is part of the new revelation...
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if the person you love the most says he or she loves you, double and
triple check the claim to the best of your ability before you accept
it as being true.
And even then accept it with reservations.
In other words you do not trust sh.t.
Are you the perfect sceptic or just somewhat paranoid?
Say what you like but being atheist means confronting reality, and part
of our reality includes politics.
Ordog
"Beware of the man whose God is in the skies." Bernard Shaw
PS
Pity you have not read Shaw!
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| User: "atheist@home" |
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10 Jun 2005 03:17:08 AM |
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On 9 Jun 2005 22:57:29 -0700, "Ordog" <odbok001@sneakemail.com> wrote:
"atheist@home" <athe...@home.com> wrote
yet again
<snip>
Ordog
"Beware of the man whose God is in the skies." Bernard Shaw
PS
Pity you have not read Shaw!
In the first place you can't possibly know whether or not I have read
Shaw without my telling you.
In the second place I have not and if the above shallow and trite
quote from him is the best you can come up with I have no intention of
wasting my time.
I truly am not trying to be offensive but the quote you offered has
about as much depth and breadth as "See ***** chase Jane," or "See Spot
run."
It's absoultely meaningless.
"Beware the man who envies Sisyphus his steady job."
atheist@home#1554
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| User: "Ordog" |
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10 Jun 2005 07:15:52 PM |
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atheist@home wrote:
"atheist@home" <athe...@home.com> wrote
PS
Pity you have not read Shaw!
In the first place you can't possibly know whether or not I have read
Shaw without my telling you.
Yes I can! Your attitude said it all.
In the second place I have not ...
Well, you actually admit it. Have you heard of Shakespeare, Thomas Mann
, etc.?
...and if the above shallow and trite
quote from him is the best you can come up with I have no intention of
wasting my time.
I suppose these days reading world literature is regarded waste of time
by some (in the USA).
I truly am not trying to be offensive but the quote you offered has
about as much depth and breadth as "See ***** chase Jane," or "See Spot
run."
It's absoultely meaningless.
And so you put your foot in your mouth.
I chose the quote from Shaw very carefully. He was not an atheist. Had
you bothered to read his works you would have known that.
Well, here is an other quote that might get you to actually read
literure:
"Why, even I, as I force myself, pen in hand, into recognition and
civility, find all the force of my onslaught destroyed by a simple
policy of non-resistance. In vain do I redouble the violence of the
language in which I proclaim my heterodoxies. I rail at the theistic
credulity of Voltaire, the amoristic superstition of Shelley, the
revival of tribal soothsayings and idolatrous rites which Huxley called
Science and mistook for advance on Pentateuch, no less than at the
welter of ecclesiastical and proffessional humbug which saves the face
of the stupid system of violence and robbery we call Law and Industry.
Even atheists reproach me with infidelity and anarchists with nihilism
because I cannot endure their moral tirades. And yet, instead of
exclaiming 'Send this inconceivable Satanist to the stake', the
respectable newspapers pith me by announcing 'another book this
brilliant and thoughtful writer.' ..."
in
Epistle dedicatory, Man and Superman, 1903
George Bernard Shaw
Ordog
"Beware of the man whose God is in the skies." Bernard Shaw
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10 Jun 2005 07:18:29 PM |
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On 10 Jun 2005 17:15:52 -0700, "Ordog" <odbok001@sneakemail.com>
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I suppose these days reading world literature is regarded waste of time
by some (in the USA).
You misspelled "most."
<depressed sigh>
Ein Prosit der GemŸtlichkeit --
Bonnie *****
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| User: "Ordog" |
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10 Jun 2005 08:20:37 PM |
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Bonnie B. wrote:
On 10 Jun 2005 17:15:52 -0700, "Ordog" <odbok001@sneakemail.com>
wrote:
I suppose these days reading world literature is regarded waste of time
by some (in the USA).
You misspelled "most."
<depressed sigh>
I suppose we should not rock the boat too much! It has plenty of leaks
in it as it is.
Nicht wahr?
Ordog
"Beware of the man whose God is in the skies." Bernard Shaw
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10 Jun 2005 11:58:36 PM |
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On 10 Jun 2005 18:20:37 -0700, "Ordog" <odbok001@sneakemail.com>
wrote:
Bonnie B. wrote:
On 10 Jun 2005 17:15:52 -0700, "Ordog" <odbok001@sneakemail.com>
wrote:
I suppose these days reading world literature is regarded waste of time
by some (in the USA).
You misspelled "most."
<depressed sigh>
I suppose we should not rock the boat too much! It has plenty of leaks
in it as it is.
You arrogant twits already tried rocking the boat once too often there
didn't you?
And sort of got yours sunk in the process eh?
Damned illiterate Americans!
Nicht wahr?
Truly.
atheist@home#1554
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11 Jun 2005 01:10:05 AM |
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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 04:58:36 GMT, "atheist@home" <atheist@home.com>
wrote:
On 10 Jun 2005 18:20:37 -0700, "Ordog" <odbok001@sneakemail.com>
wrote:
Bonnie B. wrote:
On 10 Jun 2005 17:15:52 -0700, "Ordog" <odbok001@sneakemail.com>
wrote:
I suppose these days reading world literature is regarded waste of time
by some (in the USA).
You misspelled "most."
<depressed sigh>
I suppose we should not rock the boat too much! It has plenty of leaks
in it as it is.
You arrogant twits already tried rocking the boat once too often there
didn't you?
Yes, as a matter of fact.
After breaking curves in several lit classes, in two languages, I'm
fucking sick and tired of you ignorant, lazy, semi-literate douchebags
bitching about how those who choose to learn are somehow bad or less
than you.
In case you hadn't noticed, it's your native language's literature
you're pissing and moaning about, sweetcheeks, not mine. And that
complaint is what reveals you and your RepubliCUNT (butt-)buddies as
lazy, anti-intellectual vermin, who despise anyone who has put in even
the most minimal effort to educate themselves.
And sort of got yours sunk in the process eh?
Is that how you RepubliCUNTS beg for life jackets on your way down?
Damned illiterate Americans!
Yes, your illiteracy and wanton condemnation of great literature does
damn you, assloaf. Thanks for the self-indictment.
Nicht wahr?
Truly.
Why is it that you idiot RepubliCUNTS always say the opposite of what
is real?
Happy FOAD --
Bonnie *****
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11 Jun 2005 03:16:02 PM |
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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 23:10:05 -0700, Bonnie B. <456eerts@emas.org>
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 04:58:36 GMT, "atheist@home" <atheist@home.com>
wrote:
On 10 Jun 2005 18:20:37 -0700, "Ordog" <odbok001@sneakemail.com>
wrote:
Bonnie B. wrote:
On 10 Jun 2005 17:15:52 -0700, "Ordog" <odbok001@sneakemail.com>
wrote:
I suppose these days reading world literature is regarded waste of time
by some (in the USA).
You misspelled "most."
<depressed sigh>
I suppose we should not rock the boat too much! It has plenty of leaks
in it as it is.
You arrogant twits already tried rocking the boat once too often there
didn't you?
Yes, as a matter of fact.
After breaking curves in several lit classes, in two languages, I'm
fucking sick and tired of you ignorant, lazy, semi-literate douchebags
bitching about how those who choose to learn are somehow bad or less
than you.
In case you hadn't noticed, it's your native language's literature
you're pissing and moaning about, sweetcheeks, not mine. And that
complaint is what reveals you and your RepubliCUNT (butt-)buddies as
lazy, anti-intellectual vermin, who despise anyone who has put in even
the most minimal effort to educate themselves.
It's pretty obvious what the "second language" was.
I agree that you have mastered it but it doesn't really take a lot of
uppercrust education to do so.
It is in fact widely used among the illiterate and unsophisticated
masses in redneck bars and various other gatherings of the confused
and poorly educated.
So what exactly is the difference between you and them?
And sort of got yours sunk in the process eh?
Is that how you RepubliCUNTS beg for life jackets on your way down?
Damned illiterate Americans!
Yes, your illiteracy and wanton condemnation of great literature does
damn you, assloaf. Thanks for the self-indictment.
If you are an example of what the study of great literature can do for
a person I would say it doesn't have much value.
Nicht wahr?
Truly.
Why is it that you idiot RepubliCUNTS always say the opposite of what
is real?
Happy FOAD --
Lol!
Condemned to death by one who has no power over me whatsoever.
Typical arrogant leftest.
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11 Jun 2005 05:14:08 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 20:16:02 GMT, "atheist@home" <atheist@home.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 23:10:05 -0700, Bonnie B. <456eerts@emas.org>
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 04:58:36 GMT, "atheist@home" <atheist@home.com>
wrote:
On 10 Jun 2005 18:20:37 -0700, "Ordog" <odbok001@sneakemail.com>
wrote:
Bonnie B. wrote:
On 10 Jun 2005 17:15:52 -0700, "Ordog" <odbok001@sneakemail.com>
wrote:
I suppose these days reading world literature is regarded waste of time
by some (in the USA).
You misspelled "most."
<depressed sigh>
I suppose we should not rock the boat too much! It has plenty of leaks
in it as it is.
You arrogant twits already tried rocking the boat once too often there
didn't you?
Yes, as a matter of fact.
After breaking curves in several lit classes, in two languages, I'm
fucking sick and tired of you ignorant, lazy, semi-literate douchebags
bitching about how those who choose to learn are somehow bad or less
than you.
In case you hadn't noticed, it's your native language's literature
you're pissing and moaning about, sweetcheeks, not mine. And that
complaint is what reveals you and your RepubliCUNT (butt-)buddies as
lazy, anti-intellectual vermin, who despise anyone who has put in even
the most minimal effort to educate themselves.
It's pretty obvious what the "second language" was.
Really? Have I ever corresponded with you in German?
See what happens when you trot out your amateur smart ***** lames?
I agree that you have mastered it but it doesn't really take a lot of
uppercrust education to do so.
Strawman.
It is in fact widely used among the illiterate and unsophisticated
masses in redneck bars and various other gatherings of the confused
and poorly educated.
So what exactly is the difference between you and them?
I wouldn't go drinking with you.
And sort of got yours sunk in the process eh?
Is that how you RepubliCUNTS beg for life jackets on your way down?
Damned illiterate Americans!
Yes, your illiteracy and wanton condemnation of great literature does
damn you, assloaf. Thanks for the self-indictment.
If you are an example of what the study of great literature can do for
a person I would say it doesn't have much value.
Thank you for another of your delightful self-indictments.
Nicht wahr?
Truly.
Why is it that you idiot RepubliCUNTS always say the opposite of what
is real?
Happy FOAD --
Lol!
Condemned to death by one who has no power over me whatsoever.
Typical arrogant leftest.
Please learn to spell your insults properly in your native and only
language.
Happy FOAD --
Bonnie *****
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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 15:14:08 -0700, Bonnie B. <456eerts@emas.org>
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 20:16:02 GMT, "atheist@home" <atheist@home.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 23:10:05 -0700, Bonnie B. <456eerts@emas.org>
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 04:58:36 GMT, "atheist@home" <atheist@home.com>
wrote:
On 10 Jun 2005 18:20:37 -0700, "Ordog" <odbok001@sneakemail.com>
wrote:
Bonnie B. wrote:
On 10 Jun 2005 17:15:52 -0700, "Ordog" <odbok001@sneakemail.com>
wrote:
I suppose these days reading world literature is regarded waste of time
by some (in the USA).
You misspelled "most."
<depressed sigh>
I suppose we should not rock the boat too much! It has plenty of leaks
in it as it is.
You arrogant twits already tried rocking the boat once too often there
didn't you?
Yes, as a matter of fact.
After breaking curves in several lit classes, in two languages, I'm
fucking sick and tired of you ignorant, lazy, semi-literate douchebags
bitching about how those who choose to learn are somehow bad or less
than you.
In case you hadn't noticed, it's your native language's literature
you're pissing and moaning about, sweetcheeks, not mine. And that
complaint is what reveals you and your RepubliCUNT (butt-)buddies as
lazy, anti-intellectual vermin, who despise anyone who has put in even
the most minimal effort to educate themselves.
It's pretty obvious what the "second language" was.
Really? Have I ever corresponded with you in German?
That's it?
You speak German and you think that's some sort of an unusal
accomplishment?
Do you have any idea how many people speak a multitude of languages
including german with many of them never having set foot inside a
college or university?
As a matter of fact there are four and five year old kids in Germany
who speak the language fluently without ever having cracked a book on
the subject.
How hard can it be to learn?
As for me I can read the menu at Taco Bell and know what I'm ordering
even if the item has a spanish name.
I also read enough French to know not to order escargot from the menu
in a French restaurant, I've read the entire King James bible in it's
original language and speak enough yank to get by in a squeeze.
Oh yeah, and I do a better than fair job at pig latin.
So what's so impressive about you again?
And your claim of "breaking curves in several lit classes, in two
languages" is suspect given the fact that you seem to be incapable of
communicating in anything other that the common gutter language used
by those without the educational resources to express themselves in
any other fashion.
But you truly think you are one cool, highly educated, super
sophisticated guy eh?
You should sue to get your money back from whatever low class
university you attended and spend it on remedial education classes
somewhere else.
See what happens when you trot out your amateur smart ***** lames?
What exactly happened?
Certainly nothing very impressive.
Otherwise I wouldn't have missed it.
I agree that you have mastered it but it doesn't really take a lot of
uppercrust education to do so.
Strawman.
How so?
You are sitting at your computer typing in all sorts of bragging trash
trying to convince people that you are intellectually superior and
frankly even after googling you I haven't seen a thing that would
intimidate a jackass.
Hell, even a chimp can learn a fairly extensive vocabulary in sign
language.
And probably walk off with a graduate degree from the university you
attended.
It is in fact widely used among the illiterate and unsophisticated
masses in redneck bars and various other gatherings of the confused
and poorly educated.
So what exactly is the difference between you and them?
I wouldn't go drinking with you.
That's correct.
And sort of got yours sunk in the process eh?
Is that how you RepubliCUNTS beg for life jackets on your way down?
Damned illiterate Americans!
Yes, your illiteracy and wanton condemnation of great literature does
damn you, assloaf. Thanks for the self-indictment.
If you are an example of what the study of great literature can do for
a person I would say it doesn't have much value.
Thank you for another of your delightful self-indictments.
How was that a self indictment?
You don't have a clue regarding what all I have or have not read.
The thing is there are people like you who spend loads of money on an
education in some very expensive schools and those of us who can read
books without the need for someone to explain what is meant by what is
written.
Sorry but that's just the way it is.
Nicht wahr?
Truly.
Why is it that you idiot RepubliCUNTS always say the opposite of what
is real?
Happy FOAD --
Lol!
Condemned to death by one who has no power over me whatsoever.
Typical arrogant leftest.
Please learn to spell your insults properly in your native and only
language.
Geeze, ya got me.
It was a typo.
I had just washed my hands and couldn't do a thing with them.
Happy FOAD --
Bonnie *****
Poor baby.
Trying so hard to prove you are an ***** before somebody hurts your
feelings by pointing it out first.
Fairly common in those with low self esteem.
Sort of makes you feel you are in control of other folks opinions of
you eh?
And that makes it all better doesn't it?
atheist@home#1554
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12 Jun 2005 02:04:50 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 02:28:57 GMT, "atheist@home" <atheist@home.com>
wrote:
Yes, as a matter of fact.
After breaking curves in several lit classes, in two languages, I'm
fucking sick and tired of you ignorant, lazy, semi-literate douchebags
bitching about how those who choose to learn are somehow bad or less
than you.
In case you hadn't noticed, it's your native language's literature
you're pissing and moaning about, sweetcheeks, not mine. And that
complaint is what reveals you and your RepubliCUNT (butt-)buddies as
lazy, anti-intellectual vermin, who despise anyone who has put in even
the most minimal effort to educate themselves.
It's pretty obvious what the "second language" was.
Really? Have I ever corresponded with you in German?
That's it?
Well, yeah, dumbass.
You guessed wrong.
You speak German and you think that's some sort of an unusal
accomplishment?
God, you are the stupidest ***** ever to claim atheism.
You ***** up and miss the point, and now you go off on some incredibly
baseless tangent.
Please, please, return to the church you oozed out from. Post haste.
Do you have any idea how many people speak a multitude of languages
including german with many of them never having set foot inside a
college or university?
Do you have any idea how profoundly stupid you are after having set
your foot into your ***** next to your head?
As a matter of fact there are four and five year old kids in Germany
who speak the language fluently without ever having cracked a book on
the subject.
Ya know -- I had a German teacher use that crap once in class, when I
was about 16. Except that hers was, "Even a retarded person in Germany
learns German."
I'm going to give you the same response, modified for you:
Show me a four year-old German child who speaks English just as well
as he/she speaks German, and you might have a point.
You are truly and profoundly stupid.
How hard can it be to learn?
Too hard for you, apparently.
As fo
Shut the ***** up already.
I'll respond to your ignorant, antri-intellectual, bigoted,
RepubliCUNT, Christofascist-wannabe ***** in any appropriate way I see
fit.
See what happens when you trot out your amateur smart ***** lames?
What exactly happened?
You proved that you are truly and profoundly stupid.
I agree that you have mastered it but it doesn't really take a lot of
uppercrust education to do so.
Strawman.
How so?
You're so fucking superior, you figure it out.
And after your head explodes from the effort, I'll send a clean up
crew.
If you are an example of what the study of great literature can do for
a person I would say it doesn't have much value.
Thank you for another of your delightful self-indictments.
How was that a self indictment?
You're so fucking superior, you figure it out.
And after your head explodes from the effort, I'll send a clean up
crew.
You don't have a clue regarding what all I have or have not read.
The thing is there are people like you who spend loads of money on an
education in some very expensive schools and those of us who can read
books without the need for someone to explain what is meant by what is
written.
Sorry but that's just the way it is.
OOohhh, smell the jealousy.
Lol!
Condemned to death by one who has no power over me whatsoever.
Typical arrogant leftest.
Please learn to spell your insults properly in your native and only
language.
It was a typo.
My what low self-esteem you have, trying to make excuses for your
carelessness.
Happy FOAD --
Bonnie *****
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12 Jun 2005 07:23:23 PM |
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 00:04:50 -0700, Bonnie B. <456eerts@emas.org>
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 02:28:57 GMT, "atheist@home" <atheist@home.com>
wrote:
Yes, as a matter of fact.
After breaking curves in several lit classes, in two languages, I'm
fucking sick and tired of you ignorant, lazy, semi-literate douchebags
bitching about how those who choose to learn are somehow bad or less
than you.
In case you hadn't noticed, it's your native language's literature
you're pissing and moaning about, sweetcheeks, not mine. And that
complaint is what reveals you and your RepubliCUNT (butt-)buddies as
lazy, anti-intellectual vermin, who despise anyone who has put in even
the most minimal effort to educate themselves.
It's pretty obvious what the "second language" was.
Really? Have I ever corresponded with you in German?
That's it?
Well, yeah, dumbass.
You guessed wrong.
No, actually you missed the point.
You just aren't quite as slick as you think you are.
Pretty much a lightweight actually.
You speak German and you think that's some sort of an unusal
accomplishment?
God, you are the stupidest ***** ever to claim atheism.
Wow!
How very clever.
Coming up really short in the vocabulary department there are you?
Just can't keep that over educated curve breaking tongue out of the
gutter can you?
You ***** up and miss the point, and now you go off on some incredibly
baseless tangent.
Please, please, return to the church you oozed out from. Post haste.
Lol!
Having trouble connecting the dots?
I can understand it what with your having nothing more to draw from
than that overpriced and over rated European "education" and all.
It doesn't really impress us all that much over here you know.
Say...you guys got a space shuttle yet?
Did we send you a Disneyworld?
And McDonalds?
And Levi's?
Too bad we can't export manners and class.
But then you would have to be willing to import them as well wouldn't
you?
And since you don't understand the concept that's not likely is it?
Do you have any idea how many people speak a multitude of languages
including german with many of them never having set foot inside a
college or university?
Do you have any idea how profoundly stupid you are after having set
your foot into your ***** next to your head?
Pretty weak attempt at a flame.
Rather immature and backward actually.
But that's to be expected I suppose.
As a matter of fact there are four and five year old kids in Germany
who speak the language fluently without ever having cracked a book on
the subject.
Ya know -- I had a German teacher use that crap once in class, when I
was about 16. Except that hers was, "Even a retarded person in Germany
learns German."
I expect so.
I'm going to give you the same response, modified for you:
Show me a four year-old German child who speaks English just as well
as he/she speaks German, and you might have a point.
And suppose she had yanked one up?
What would you have said then?
Why didn't you ask her to explain herself in Japanese or Arabic?
You are truly and profoundly stupid.
You already said that.
How hard can it be to learn?
Too hard for you, apparently.
Not at all.
I just have no interest in it.
As fo
Shut the ***** up already.
I'll respond to your ignorant, antri-intellectual, bigoted,
RepubliCUNT, Christofascist-wannabe ***** in any appropriate way I see
fit.
So everybody you don't approve of should just "Shut the ***** up
already" while you blather on and on right?
At least I haven't become angry, lost control of my emotions and
cursed you.
And really, you haven't said the first thing that troubles me.
I've just been toying with you.
I get this image of you sitting in front of your computer, foaming at
the mouth, eyes bulging, fingers flying across the keyboard absolutely
furious that an illiterate redneck can get the best of you so easily.
It's easy to talk tough in usenet btw.
And it's not at all intimidating.
You remind me of a tiny little Chihuahua, yap, yap, yaping away, all
the while imagining he's an attack trained German Shepard scaring the
hell out of the big dogs.
It's pretty funny from here.
See what happens when you trot out your amateur smart ***** lames?
What exactly happened?
You proved that you are truly and profoundly stupid.
You repeat yourself an awful lot.
I agree that you have mastered it but it doesn't really take a lot of
uppercrust education to do so.
Strawman.
How so?
You're so fucking superior, you figure it out.
And after your head explodes from the effort, I'll send a clean up
crew.
Why thank you.
If you are an example of what the study of great literature can do for
a person I would say it doesn't have much value.
Thank you for another of your delightful self-indictments.
How was that a self indictment?
You're so fucking superior, you figure it out.
And after your head explodes from the effort, I'll send a clean up
crew.
Make up your mind.
Either I'm stupid or I'm superior.
I'll go for the latter given the fact that I've been able to control
your emotions so easily.
You don't have a clue regarding what all I have or have not read.
The thing is there are people like you who spend loads of money on an
education in some very expensive schools and those of us who can read
books without the need for someone to explain what is meant by what is
written.
Sorry but that's just the way it is.
OOohhh, smell the jealousy.
I suspected you were.
Really, it's not your fault.
Don't feel so badly about it.
You may not be bright enough to make it in America, or even compete
with an American in usenet but you can do all right where you are.
The standards aren't all that high and that's understandable.
Lol!
Condemned to death by one who has no power over me whatsoever.
Typical arrogant leftest.
Please learn to spell your insults properly in your native and only
language.
It was a typo.
My what low self-esteem you have, trying to make excuses for your
carelessness.
I'm an American.
We have a right to very high self-esteem.
We rule the world thanks to the fact that our primary competition is
people like you.
And that's no real competition at all.
I'm getting bored with this now.
You have absolutely no talent for creative flames and have such a
limited vocabulary <and that being primarily bad guy wannabe gutter
language> that it's pretty much a waste of time.
atheist@home#1554
Happy FOAD --
Bonnie *****
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11 Jun 2005 05:13:33 AM |
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atheist@home wrote:
-snip-
garbage
-snip-
Atheist@home finally ran out of semi-intelligent arguments.
Now we have reached the point in this topic where he proudly declares
blissful ignorance of anything beyond the boundaries of the Bible Belt
of USA.
Has he ever questioned why the rest of the world now looks on America
with stunned horror instead of worshipping awe?
I wonder what on Earth people like these want to achieve in an atheist
NG beyond disruption.
They have really nothing useful to contribute. I doubt that they are
even atheists.
Be as it may, I retreat from this thread.
Ordog
PS.
Killfiles are so useful. Never again do I have to read conservative
garbage from "Ignorance@home"
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11 Jun 2005 04:17:26 PM |
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On 11 Jun 2005 03:13:33 -0700, "Ordog" <odbok001@sneakemail.com>
wrote:
atheist@home wrote:
-snip-
garbage
-snip-
Atheist@home finally ran out of semi-intelligent arguments.
Now we have reached the point in this topic where he proudly declares
blissful ignorance of anything beyond the boundaries of the Bible Belt
of USA.
Where did I do that?
Has he ever questioned why the rest of the world now looks on America
with stunned horror instead of worshipping awe?
I would be inclined to ask the people who leave their native lands by
the millions to come here.
The ones who have sadly died in the process, the risk being worth it
to them, have already made their voices heard.
I wonder what on Earth people like these want to achieve in an atheist
NG beyond disruption.
They have really nothing useful to contribute. I doubt that they are
even atheists.
What exactly did you contribute?
This?
"Unfortunately atheism has serious social implications. Our religious
opponents use right wing political parties to silence us and interfer
with our daily lives."
Vague assertions that somehow, someone is abusing you because you are
an atheist.
I asked in return:
"And who is and how are they interfering with your daily life?
Can you offer up some specifics?"
You contributed nothing but some paranoid rambling about your
victimhood and when aked for clarification you chose to ignore the
question.
And how is it that you didn't notice the irony in freely expressing
the opinion that someone has silenced you?
And this is just silly:
"I doubt that they are even atheists."
Should I be excommunicated?
Sheesh...religion and politics.
Be as it may, I retreat from this thread.
Give it a rest.
We probably agree on a lot more than we disagree on.
Ordog
PS.
Killfiles are so useful. Never again do I have to read conservative
garbage from "Ignorance@home"
Fingers in ears..."naya, naya, naya! I can't hear you!"
You are probably better off not reading anything that might be in
disagreement with your opinions.
Otherwise you can't arrogantly believe you know everything can you?
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10 Jun 2005 11:47:17 PM |
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On 10 Jun 2005 17:15:52 -0700, "Ordog" <odbok001@sneakemail.com>
wrote:
atheist@home wrote:
"atheist@home" <athe...@home.com> wrote
PS
Pity you have not read Shaw!
In the first place you can't possibly know whether or not I have read
Shaw without my telling you.
Yes I can! Your attitude said it all.
I'm terribly impressed.
Was it the use of proper and unpretentious language that gave me away?
In the second place I have not ...
Well, you actually admit it. Have you heard of Shakespeare, Thomas Mann
, etc.?
I don't watch television so no... I don't know who those folks are.
...and if the above shallow and trite
quote from him is the best you can come up with I have no intention of
wasting my time.
I suppose these days reading world literature is regarded waste of time
by some (in the USA).
No... it's reading the shallow babblings you believe to be
"literature" that we consider a waste of time.
I truly am not trying to be offensive but the quote you offered has
about as much depth and breadth as "See ***** chase Jane," or "See Spot
run."
It's absoultely meaningless.
And so you put your foot in your mouth.
And Shaw puts stupid words in yours.
I chose the quote from Shaw very carefully. He was not an atheist. Had
you bothered to read his works you would have known that.
I didn't so much as suggest that I did or did not know it.
And I've read enough of his works in your posts.
I'm not the least bit interested in reading more.
Well, here is an other quote that might get you to actually read
literure:
"Literature."
You have shamed me with your brilliance.
"Why, even I, as I force myself, pen in hand, into recognition and
civility, find all the force of my onslaught destroyed by a simple
policy of non-resistance. In vain do I redouble the violence of the
language in which I proclaim my heterodoxies. I rail at the theistic
credulity of Voltaire, the amoristic superstition of Shelley, the
revival of tribal soothsayings and idolatrous rites which Huxley called
Science and mistook for advance on Pentateuch, no less than at the
welter of ecclesiastical and proffessional
<professional>
humbug which saves the face
of the stupid system of violence and robbery we call Law and Industry.
Even atheists reproach me with infidelity and anarchists with nihilism
because I cannot endure their moral tirades. And yet, instead of
exclaiming 'Send this inconceivable Satanist to the stake', the
respectable newspapers pith me by announcing 'another book this
brilliant and thoughtful writer.' ..."
Arrogant gibberish.
This from Grete de Francesco:
"Mystery is essential to the impostor.
Above everything else, the charlatan must avoid straightforward
reasoning and simplicity of expression: too clear and direct a light
would quickly destroy the spell he exerts through eloquent ambiguity,
over his victims.
In all ages, the voice of the humbug has exercised a peculiar
fascination - it is his chief weapon.
But though he has to speak and write continuously, his announcements
are best couched in indefinite phrases, opaque and susceptible of many
interpretations.....
But then you being so superior to the rest of us, educationally I
mean, you've already read that somewhere eh?
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10 Jun 2005 02:35:42 AM |
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On 9 Jun 2005 22:57:29 -0700, "Ordog" <odbok001@sneakemail.com> wrote:
"atheist@home" <athe...@home.com> wrote
yet again
Where are you posting from?
And how old are you?
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