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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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07 Jun 2006 02:31:26 PM |
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Mother Teresa: The Fruit Of Abortion Is Nuclear War |
http://www.holyspiritinteractive.net/features/prolife/frank_06.asp
The Ripple Effect of Abortion
by Fr. Frank Pavone
Abortion harms our entire culture in ways we have not even begun to
imagine. We may at times be tempted to think that we are not
individually affected by the fact that others legally abort their
children. But abortion does affect us all, personally and directly,
whether we are aware of it or not.
The pro-life movement has done much to teach the public about the
destructive harm that abortion does to the unborn child. Most people
also have been informed about the negative impact abortion has on
women's health, as a result of the multiple physical and emotional
complications of the procedure. But taking a brief look at the other
circles of destruction brought on by abortion can be an even more
sobering experience.
The Survivors
First of all, what does abortion do to the children who survive?
Psychologists have now discovered "Abortion Survivor Syndrome," a
cluster of symptoms that mimic those of the soldiers who return from
battle, and instead of feeling happy that they survived, feel guilty
and anxious. "Could I have done something to keep my army buddy from
getting killed? Why was it him and not me?"
Dr. Philip Ney, a Canadian expert and child psychiatrist, explains that
children eventually ask, "I was born because mommy wanted me. What if
she stops wanting me?"
The impact of being an abortion survivor should not be ignored as we
try to understand why children shoot other children in schools. We've
taught them to do so when we taught them that their lives were
disposable. Children will not stop killing children until parents stop
killing children.
The prospect that one could have been legally killed by his or her own
parents is also a significant obstacle for our young people to hear the
Gospel message of the Father's unconditional love for them.
From Generation to Generation
Abortion leads to more abortion, as well as to various forms of child
abuse. One of the biggest factors that will determine whether someone
will have an abortion is whether her mother had an abortion. The
reasons have to do with the way abortion affects the maternal bond. It
weakens and distorts it, and a woman who has an abortion faces
obstacles in her relationships with later children she brings to birth.
The act of aborting a child, rather than adjusting to the changes that
childbirth brings, constitutes a failure to mature and a regression in
one's development toward adult responsibility. This failure to mature
is one of the contributing causes of child abuse.
The Helpless Cry
Abortion threatens the survival of the human species itself, because it
introduces a distortion into the human response to the infant's
helpless cry. When a crying baby awakens her parents in the middle of
the night, initial annoyance quickly gives way to tenderness toward the
child in need. The very survival of the species depends on our overall
ability to make that transition. Abortion, by definition, is a
deliberate refusal to hear and respond to the helpless cry.
Dr. Ney writes, "Human response to the helpless cry of their young
will determine if the human species survives. The helpless cry is any
sound or signal that alerts a person that some creature is in distress
and cannot help him/herself . . . Anyone with any humanity in him or
herself must react in one way or another. The helpless cry is an
essential crisis . . . It is an accurate gauge of how human we are as
individuals and how civilized we are collectively. It will determine
whether we become more free, more mature, and more loving, or whether
we become insensitive, dehumanized, and hateful."
Marriage
Abortion destroys marriages and male-female relations generally. The
woman who has aborted a child finds it more difficult to trust the man.
Her relationship with him led to the unspeakable pain of abortion.
Meanwhile, the man finds in abortion an easy way to escape
responsibility for his actions. The fact that the law does not give
fathers a say in whether their own unborn children live or die means
that fathers are less willing to take responsibility for those children
before and after birth, and less willing to bond with them. If they are
not attached to the baby, moreover, they are not as supportive of their
partner.
Government
When our government allowed abortion, it became a different kind of
government than what it was founded to be. There are only two forms of
government. The first acknowledges that God gives us our rights, and
that government exists to secure those rights. In such a framework,
government can't tamper with the right to life, and can never
authorize its destruction.
The second form, however, says that government is the source of those
rights, and therefore has full dominion over life and death. The Pope
comments on this in Evangelium Vitae: "In this way democracy,
contradicting its own principles, effectively moves toward a form of
totalitarianism. The State is no longer the 'common home' where all
can live together on the basis of principles of fundamental equality,
but is transformed into a tyrant State, which arrogates to itself the
right to dispose of the life of the weakest and most defenseless
members. . . . When this happens, the process leading to the breakdown
of a genuinely human coexistence and the disintegration of the State
itself has already begun. . . . This is the death of true freedom"
(no. 20).
Abortion has wrought havoc on our political system, practically
destroying one of our national parties and hijacking the
constitutionally provided method for filling positions on federal
courts.
Other effects in law have been described as "the abortion
distortion." In various states, for example, pro-abortion forces have
begun to shut down avenues of free speech, such as specialty license
plate programs or tow banner advertising, just to prevent the truth of
abortion from being told.
The Church
The well-being of the Church is also at stake because of the abortion
controversy. The more the "ethic" of abortion is embedded in the
laws and practices of society, the more strained are the Church's
relations with government. The Church, after all, must interact with
government leaders on a wide range of programs that serve the people
and advance the Church's interests. But as was painfully evident in
recent controversies over whether pro-abortion politicians should be
allowed to receive Holy Communion or even appear on Church property,
the constant presence of legal abortion-and public officials who are
willing to keep it legal-will provide a source of continued conflict.
At the same time, positions on abortion are reduced, in public
commentary, to "political" positions. Given the fact that many
attorneys who advise the Church give unnecessarily restrictive legal
advice, the bottom line is that there is a chilling effect on the
freedom of the clergy-and others in ministry-to comment on
abortion. This strains the credibility of the Church, as people try to
figure out why more leadership is not evident from the pulpit on what
the bishops themselves have called the most fundamental civil rights
issue of our day.
The Medical Community
Legal abortion distorts the purpose and slows the progress of medicine.
Doctors are being reduced to their pre-Hippocratic oath days when they
were seen as dispensers of both life and death. The inherent link
between the medical profession and the care of life is being denied and
obscured. Moreover, if defects in a child are handled by aborting the
child, motivation to make medical progress in treating such defects is
deterred.
At the same time, if embryos can be destroyed, they can also be
manipulated, experimented on, sold, or combined with other species.
Bioethical oddities of immense proportions aThe fruit of abortion is
nuclear warre on the horizon.
Security
Ultimately, the economy and security of the nation and the world are
threatened by abortion. Destroying 40 million lives in a generation
can't happen without consequences, starting with the aging of the
population, with fewer younger workers supporting the system.
Moreover, how can we maintain peace between nations if we cannot
maintain peace between a mother and her own child? As Mother Teresa
warned, "If we say that a mother can kill her own child, how can we
tell other people not to kill each other? . . . The fruit of abortion
is nuclear war."
We have only skimmed the surface here and have truly not begun to
appreciate the destructive power of abortion. May we, as individuals
and as a society, face up to the truth about abortion and its many
dimensions before it is too late.
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| User: "Gunner" |
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12 Jun 2006 09:49:21 PM |
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On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:36:14 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <686r82524ft30u331fie48edb45jrnusbk@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:13:37 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <63nq82dc16a9o4hh742bv4bi34h62m411c@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:43:13 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <rflo82tqonb9ifooq3dt3fjid25lcn2h4n@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 04:02:56 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <qdpn821rqbkff52rks02i98ogjq2iotfgo@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On 10 Jun 2006 15:19:13 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, (•R L
Measures) wrote:
In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Peter
Michael"
<john653@comcast.net> wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city
the size of
Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain
population
growth are truly insane.
• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they
would be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of
about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
Septic tanks on a urban-sized lot would be worthless.
How so? Never seen a vertical dry well?
• The trouble with seepage pits is eventual contamination of ground
water.
Ah..in some places with a high water table, indeed. Most of Texas, and
here in California..ground water is 300-500 feet down.
• Where I grew up. the ground water was c. 8ft down.
River bank or the Ofikanoi Swamp?
• Oxnard, CA. 2mi South the ground water emerged in a park.
Indeed. Oxnard is largely tidal marsh turned into farming and your area
is likely over a river.
Oxnard is about 80 miles from me. Our water table runs 350-500 feet
• The location where water is 8' down is c. 45-feet above sea-level.
Not uncommon. One often finds entire lakes above the 5000' level.
As I said..you are probably over a river.
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the ***** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
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| User: "brique" |
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| Title: Re: Mother Teresa: The Fruit Of Abortion Is Nuclear War |
13 Jun 2006 02:21:32 PM |
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Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:1s9s8216mvrp7dtt715gp0earmod3hc55k@4ax.com...
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:36:14 -0700, (.R L Measures) wrote:
In article <686r82524ft30u331fie48edb45jrnusbk@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:13:37 -0700, (.R L Measures) wrote:
In article <63nq82dc16a9o4hh742bv4bi34h62m411c@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:43:13 -0700, (.R L Measures)
wrote:
In article <rflo82tqonb9ifooq3dt3fjid25lcn2h4n@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 04:02:56 -0700, (.R L Measures)
wrote:
In article <qdpn821rqbkff52rks02i98ogjq2iotfgo@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On 10 Jun 2006 15:19:13 GMT, (Ray Fischer)
wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, (.R L
Measures) wrote:
In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Peter
Michael"
<john653@comcast.net> wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city
the size of
Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited
space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to
contain
population
growth are truly insane.
. With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas,
they
would be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of
about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good
septic
tanks would be manditory.
Septic tanks on a urban-sized lot would be worthless.
How so? Never seen a vertical dry well?
. The trouble with seepage pits is eventual contamination of
ground
water.
Ah..in some places with a high water table, indeed. Most of
Texas, and
here in California..ground water is 300-500 feet down.
. Where I grew up. the ground water was c. 8ft down.
River bank or the Ofikanoi Swamp?
. Oxnard, CA. 2mi South the ground water emerged in a park.
Indeed. Oxnard is largely tidal marsh turned into farming and your area
is likely over a river.
Oxnard is about 80 miles from me. Our water table runs 350-500 feet
. The location where water is 8' down is c. 45-feet above sea-level.
Not uncommon. One often finds entire lakes above the 5000' level.
As I said..you are probably over a river.
Maybe its a low-flying rain cloud?
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the ***** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
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| User: "" |
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10 Jun 2006 10:36:45 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, (=B7R L Measures) wrote:
In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Peter Micha=
el"
<john653@comcast.net> wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of T=
exas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain populat=
ion
growth are truly insane.
=B7 With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they woul=
d be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
Septic tanks on a urban-sized lot would be worthless.
Clearly, the answer is to eat *****. The provisional answer. After the
population increases some more, Soylent Green will be the answer.
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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10 Jun 2006 04:16:38 AM |
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In article <53sk825aj33v27tcdlj1419loe3ihoh8do@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Peter Michael"
<john653@comcast.net> wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
growth are truly insane.
• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
• A daily output of 17 to 22 billion pounds of ***** and ***** is not easy
to dismiss.
cheers, Gunner
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| User: "brique" |
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10 Jun 2006 03:26:08 PM |
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..R L Measures <> wrote in message
news:r-1006060216380001@192.168.1.101...
In article <53sk825aj33v27tcdlj1419loe3ihoh8do@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, (.R L Measures) wrote:
In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Peter
Michael"
<john653@comcast.net> wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of
Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain
population
growth are truly insane.
. With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would
be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
. A daily output of 17 to 22 billion pounds of ***** and ***** is not easy
to dismiss.
They will have a fleet of supertankers off Galveston to ship it all to
Africa to fertilise the Sahara which will be turned into an executive
golf-course and luxury hotel complex offering safari's to kill all the game
now rampant in an uninhabited world.
Alternatively, they will sell it to McDonalds to be recycled into
burgers.....
cheers, Gunner
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10 Jun 2006 09:19:25 PM |
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In article <1149971374.8653.0@proxy02.news.clara.net>, "brique"
<briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote:
.R L Measures < > wrote in message
news:r-1006060216380001@192.168.1.101...
In article <53sk825aj33v27tcdlj1419loe3ihoh8do@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, (.R L Measures) wrote:
In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Peter
Michael"
<john653@comcast.net> wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of
Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain
population
growth are truly insane.
. With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would
be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
. A daily output of 17 to 22 billion pounds of ***** and ***** is not easy
to dismiss.
They will have a fleet of supertankers off Galveston to ship it all to
Africa to fertilise the Sahara which will be turned into an executive
golf-course and luxury hotel complex offering safari's to kill all the game
now rampant in an uninhabited world.
Alternatively, they will sell it to McDonalds to be recycled into
burgers.....
chortle
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| User: "Gunner" |
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11 Jun 2006 04:42:50 AM |
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On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 21:26:08 +0100, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m>
wrote:
.R L Measures < > wrote in message
news:r-1006060216380001@192.168.1.101...
In article <53sk825aj33v27tcdlj1419loe3ihoh8do@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, (.R L Measures) wrote:
In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Peter
Michael"
<john653@comcast.net> wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of
Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain
population
growth are truly insane.
. With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would
be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
. A daily output of 17 to 22 billion pounds of ***** and ***** is not easy
to dismiss.
They will have a fleet of supertankers off Galveston to ship it all to
Africa to fertilise the Sahara which will be turned into an executive
golf-course and luxury hotel complex offering safari's to kill all the game
now rampant in an uninhabited world.
Alternatively, they will sell it to McDonalds to be recycled into
burgers.....
cheers, Gunner
...
If every one of those homes had a basic septic tank..it would be at
least 8 yrs before any of them would need to be pumped.
On the other hand..getting enough water to flush the toilets for those
people would be the hard part.
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the ***** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
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| User: "Gunner" |
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11 Jun 2006 04:41:40 AM |
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On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:16:38 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <53sk825aj33v27tcdlj1419loe3ihoh8do@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Peter Michael"
<john653@comcast.net> wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
growth are truly insane.
• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
• A daily output of 17 to 22 billion pounds of ***** and ***** is not easy
to dismiss.
cheers, Gunner
True enough..hence the good septic systems requirement
Gunner
...
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the ***** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Mother Teresa: The Fruit Of Abortion Is Nuclear War |
11 Jun 2006 11:57:32 AM |
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Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:16:38 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <53sk825aj33v27tcdlj1419loe3ihoh8do@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Peter Michael"
<john653@comcast.net> wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
growth are truly insane.
• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
• A daily output of 17 to 22 billion pounds of ***** and ***** is not easy
to dismiss.
cheers, Gunner
True enough..hence the good septic systems requirement
There is no such thing as a "good" septic system on an urban plot.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Gunner" |
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11 Jun 2006 01:22:50 PM |
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On 11 Jun 2006 16:57:32 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:16:38 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <53sk825aj33v27tcdlj1419loe3ihoh8do@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Peter Michael"
<john653@comcast.net> wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
growth are truly insane.
• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
• A daily output of 17 to 22 billion pounds of ***** and ***** is not easy
to dismiss.
cheers, Gunner
True enough..hence the good septic systems requirement
There is no such thing as a "good" septic system on an urban plot.
Mine is 25 yrs old, been pumped twice. Dry well needs replaceing.
Thats not bad
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the ***** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Mother Teresa: The Fruit Of Abortion Is Nuclear War |
11 Jun 2006 02:06:54 PM |
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Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On 11 Jun 2006 16:57:32 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:16:38 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <53sk825aj33v27tcdlj1419loe3ihoh8do@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Peter Michael"
<john653@comcast.net> wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
growth are truly insane.
• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
• A daily output of 17 to 22 billion pounds of ***** and ***** is not easy
to dismiss.
cheers, Gunner
True enough..hence the good septic systems requirement
There is no such thing as a "good" septic system on an urban plot.
Mine is 25 yrs old, been pumped twice.
"urban plot", remember? 4000 square feet for a family.
Idiot.
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Ray Fischer
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11 Jun 2006 06:11:43 PM |
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There is no such thing as a "good" septic system
on an urban plot.
Mine is 25 yrs old, been pumped twice.
Ray Fischer
"urban plot", remember? 4000 square feet for a
family.
In Sydney's western suburbs, about a million people live
on lots that size or smaller, using septic tanks. Works
fine.
The only reason that government does not like septic
tanks in the suburbs is that it does not like the
competition. They want stuff to be provided by
government - the government disfavors septic and favors
government sewerage, because government favors
government.
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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12 Jun 2006 12:18:14 AM |
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James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
news:aj8p82ds1me3cass5c1mu7vm3el9m8ke58@4ax.com...
There is no such thing as a "good" septic system
on an urban plot.
Mine is 25 yrs old, been pumped twice.
Ray Fischer
"urban plot", remember? 4000 square feet for a
family.
In Sydney's western suburbs, about a million people live
on lots that size or smaller, using septic tanks. Works
fine.
The only reason that government does not like septic
tanks in the suburbs is that it does not like the
competition. They want stuff to be provided by
government - the government disfavors septic and favors
government sewerage, because government favors
government.
Ummm.. yeh,,,,, everyday the government has a crisis committee to decide on
how to solve the independent ***** storage problem.........
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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12 Jun 2006 08:55:53 PM |
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James A. Donald
The only reason that government does not like septic
tanks in the suburbs is that it does not like the
competition. They want stuff to be provided by
government - the government disfavors septic and
favors government sewerage, because government
favors government.
"brique"
Ummm.. yeh,,,,, everyday the government has a crisis
committee to decide on how to solve the independent
***** storage problem.........
In fact the government does every day have crisis
committees to decide on the problem of preventing
independence.
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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| User: "brique" |
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13 Jun 2006 02:18:36 PM |
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James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
news:3n6s825pccjivmiseg4uq3usii1mpncupp@4ax.com...
James A. Donald
The only reason that government does not like septic
tanks in the suburbs is that it does not like the
competition. They want stuff to be provided by
government - the government disfavors septic and
favors government sewerage, because government
favors government.
"brique"
Ummm.. yeh,,,,, everyday the government has a crisis
committee to decide on how to solve the independent
***** storage problem.........
In fact the government does every day have crisis
committees to decide on the problem of preventing
independence.
Sources? Like a department name perhaps? House Standing Committee on
Preventing Free-lance Cess-Pits, perhaps?
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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14 Jun 2006 07:33:40 AM |
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brique wrote:
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
news:aj8p82ds1me3cass5c1mu7vm3el9m8ke58@4ax.com...
There is no such thing as a "good" septic system
on an urban plot.
Mine is 25 yrs old, been pumped twice.
Ray Fischer
"urban plot", remember? 4000 square feet for a
family.
In Sydney's western suburbs, about a million people live
on lots that size or smaller, using septic tanks. Works
fine.
The only reason that government does not like septic
tanks in the suburbs is that it does not like the
competition. They want stuff to be provided by
government - the government disfavors septic and favors
government sewerage, because government favors
government.
Ummm.. yeh,,,,, everyday the government has a crisis committee to decide on
how to solve the independent ***** storage problem.........
Usenet will have much to teach them.
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| User: "" |
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11 Jun 2006 06:16:39 PM |
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James A. Donald wrote:
There is no such thing as a "good" septic system
on an urban plot.
Mine is 25 yrs old, been pumped twice.
Ray Fischer
"urban plot", remember? 4000 square feet for a
family.
In Sydney's western suburbs, about a million people live
on lots that size or smaller, using septic tanks. Works
fine.
The only reason that government does not like septic
tanks in the suburbs is that it does not like the
competition. They want stuff to be provided by
government - the government disfavors septic and favors
government sewerage, because government favors
government.
I lived in an area like that. As long as you don't need
to use the groundwater, you're all right. It smells odd
when it rains, though.
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| User: "James A. Donald" |
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12 Jun 2006 01:50:37 AM |
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James A. Donald wrote:
The only reason that government does not like septic
tanks in the suburbs is that it does not like the
competition. They want stuff to be provided by
government - the government disfavors septic and
favors government sewerage, because government
favors government.
anarcissie@gmail.com
I lived in an area like that. As long as you don't
need to use the groundwater, you're all right. It
smells odd when it rains, though.
In my experience, it does not smell odd when it rains.
--
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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12 Jun 2006 08:01:59 PM |
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James A. Donald wrote:
James A. Donald wrote:
The only reason that government does not like septic
tanks in the suburbs is that it does not like the
competition. They want stuff to be provided by
government - the government disfavors septic and
favors government sewerage, because government
favors government.
anarcissie@gmail.com
I lived in an area like that. As long as you don't
need to use the groundwater, you're all right. It
smells odd when it rains, though.
In my experience, it does not smell odd when it rains.
Tastes differ. I assure you the earth has a finite
capacity for sewage.
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| User: "James A. Donald" |
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12 Jun 2006 08:51:00 PM |
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James A. Donald wrote:
The only reason that government does not like
septic tanks in the suburbs is that it does not
like the competition. They want stuff to be
provided by government - the government
disfavors septic and favors government sewerage,
because government favors government.
anarcissie@gmail.com
I lived in an area like that. As long as you
don't need to use the groundwater, you're all
right. It smells odd when it rains, though.
James A. Donald:
In my experience, it does not smell odd when it
rains.
anarcissie@gmail.com
Tastes differ. I assure you the earth has a finite
capacity for sewage.
I can assure you that none of my properties are anywhere
near that limit.
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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12 Jun 2006 11:17:13 PM |
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James A. Donald wrote:
James A. Donald wrote:
The only reason that government does not like
septic tanks in the suburbs is that it does not
like the competition. They want stuff to be
provided by government - the government
disfavors septic and favors government sewerage,
because government favors government.
anarcissie@gmail.com
I lived in an area like that. As long as you
don't need to use the groundwater, you're all
right. It smells odd when it rains, though.
James A. Donald:
In my experience, it does not smell odd when it
rains.
anarcissie@gmail.com
Tastes differ. I assure you the earth has a finite
capacity for sewage.
I can assure you that none of my properties are anywhere
near that limit.
You aren't living with six billion Texans yet.
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13 Jun 2006 12:12:52 AM |
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On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:17:13 -0700, anarcissie wrote:
You aren't living with six billion Texans yet.
Okay, when I wake up from a horrible nightmare in the wee hours tonight,
I'm calling _you_.
(Six billion Texans. *shudder*)
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Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
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| User: "Gunner" |
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11 Jun 2006 02:58:07 PM |
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On 11 Jun 2006 19:06:54 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On 11 Jun 2006 16:57:32 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:16:38 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <53sk825aj33v27tcdlj1419loe3ihoh8do@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Peter Michael"
<john653@comcast.net> wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
growth are truly insane.
• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
• A daily output of 17 to 22 billion pounds of ***** and ***** is not easy
to dismiss.
cheers, Gunner
True enough..hence the good septic systems requirement
There is no such thing as a "good" septic system on an urban plot.
Mine is 25 yrs old, been pumped twice.
"urban plot", remember? 4000 square feet for a family.
Idiot.
Idiot? First it was 3000 sq feet, now its 4000 sq feet. When will you
make up your mind what an " average urban lot" is?
In my area, most urban lots are 50x125 feet to 75x 125
This translates to a bit more than your 3000 morphing to 4000 square
feet.
In my area, most of them are on septic tanks with dry wells, with those
size lots.
Either you are a buffoon (my first guess) or you havent been outside of
whichever shithole you live in.
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the ***** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
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11 Jun 2006 04:12:52 PM |
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Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On 11 Jun 2006 19:06:54 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On 11 Jun 2006 16:57:32 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:16:38 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <53sk825aj33v27tcdlj1419loe3ihoh8do@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Peter Michael"
<john653@comcast.net> wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
growth are truly insane.
• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
• A daily output of 17 to 22 billion pounds of ***** and ***** is not easy
to dismiss.
cheers, Gunner
True enough..hence the good septic systems requirement
There is no such thing as a "good" septic system on an urban plot.
Mine is 25 yrs old, been pumped twice.
"urban plot", remember? 4000 square feet for a family.
Idiot.
Idiot? First it was 3000 sq feet, now its 4000 sq feet. When will you
make up your mind what an " average urban lot" is?
In my area, most urban lots are 50x125 feet to 75x 125
But your stupid idea of fitting everyone into Texas doesn't allow that
much room. It doesn't allow any room for roads, or water delivery, or
food delivery. It doesn't provide the energy needed. All your stupid
idea would allow for is death.
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11 Jun 2006 07:46:07 PM |
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On 11 Jun 2006 21:12:52 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
But your stupid idea of fitting everyone into Texas
doesn't allow that much room. It doesn't allow any
room for roads, or water delivery, or food delivery.
Yes it does.
Assume each lot has a forty foot frontage on a road and
is a hundred feet deep. Assume the roads are 28 feet
wide, so the road area per lot is 40*30/2 (divide by two
because there are lots on both sides of the road.
So we need 4600 square feet per lot. Assume four people
per lot.
Area of Texas 268,601 square miles = 7500 billion square
feet
= 1.6 billion suburban lots
= 6.5 billion people.
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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11 Jun 2006 08:43:14 PM |
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James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
But your stupid idea of fitting everyone into Texas
doesn't allow that much room. It doesn't allow any
room for roads, or water delivery, or food delivery.
Yes it does.
Assume each lot has a forty foot frontage on a road and
is a hundred feet deep. Assume the roads are 28 feet
wide, so the road area per lot is 40*30/2 (divide by two
because there are lots on both sides of the road.
So we need 4600 square feet per lot. Assume four people
per lot.
You must be willing and eager to lower drastically your
standard of living.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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11 Jun 2006 09:43:06 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
But your stupid idea of fitting everyone into Texas
doesn't allow that much room. It doesn't allow any
room for roads, or water delivery, or food delivery.
Yes it does.
Assume each lot has a forty foot frontage on a road and
is a hundred feet deep. Assume the roads are 28 feet
wide, so the road area per lot is 40*30/2 (divide by two
because there are lots on both sides of the road.
So we need 4600 square feet per lot. Assume four people
per lot.
You must be willing and eager to lower drastically your
standard of living.
Increasing population density raises the standard of living. High
population areas are called city, metropolis, downtown. Low population
areas are called boondocks, backwoods, sticks, hinterland. What
connotations do these words have?
Imagine that you're homeless, without a job, without any salable
skills. Where are you going to go? You're going to go where there's so
much wealth that you can live off the scraps of other people. And
where's that? The countryside? Or the city?
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11 Jun 2006 10:40:27 PM |
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<constantinopoli@gmail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
But your stupid idea of fitting everyone into Texas
doesn't allow that much room. It doesn't allow any
room for roads, or water delivery, or food delivery.
Yes it does.
Assume each lot has a forty foot frontage on a road and
is a hundred feet deep. Assume the roads are 28 feet
wide, so the road area per lot is 40*30/2 (divide by two
because there are lots on both sides of the road.
So we need 4600 square feet per lot. Assume four people
per lot.
You must be willing and eager to lower drastically your
standard of living.
Increasing population density raises the standard of living.
Idiot.
High
population areas are called city, metropolis, downtown.
Slum.
Cities require large farmlands and roads and services in order
to support them.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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12 Jun 2006 05:23:42 AM |
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In article <448ce22b$0$65435$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, wrote:
<constantinopoli@gmail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
But your stupid idea of fitting everyone into Texas
doesn't allow that much room. It doesn't allow any
room for roads, or water delivery, or food delivery.
Yes it does.
Assume each lot has a forty foot frontage on a road and
is a hundred feet deep. Assume the roads are 28 feet
wide, so the road area per lot is 40*30/2 (divide by two
because there are lots on both sides of the road.
So we need 4600 square feet per lot. Assume four people
per lot.
You must be willing and eager to lower drastically your
standard of living.
Increasing population density raises the standard of living.
Idiot.
High
population areas are called city, metropolis, downtown.
Slum.
Cities require large farmlands and roads and services in order
to support them.
• religious fundamentalists put their logic units in sleep mode.
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12 Jun 2006 07:36:45 AM |
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=B7R L Measures wrote:
In article <448ce22b$0$65435$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, rfischer@sonic.net=
wrote:
<constantinopoli@gmail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
But your stupid idea of fitting everyone into Texas
doesn't allow that much room. It doesn't allow any
room for roads, or water delivery, or food delivery.
Yes it does.
Assume each lot has a forty foot frontage on a road and
is a hundred feet deep. Assume the roads are 28 feet
wide, so the road area per lot is 40*30/2 (divide by two
because there are lots on both sides of the road.
So we need 4600 square feet per lot. Assume four people
per lot.
You must be willing and eager to lower drastically your
standard of living.
Increasing population density raises the standard of living.
Idiot.
High
population areas are called city, metropolis, downtown.
Slum.
Cities require large farmlands and roads and services in order
to support them.
=B7 religious fundamentalists put their logic units in sleep mode.
I'm an atheist so I presume you're talking about Ray Fischer. Why do
you think he's a religious fundamentalist, and how is that relevant to
the current discussion anyway?
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