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"Budikka" |
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12 Sep 2003 12:23:20 PM |
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Movie: The Order |
I haven't seen any comments in a.a. yet on this movie (The Order)
which was released on Sept. 5th.
http://movies.go.com/movies/O/order_2003/index.html
(Don't bother with the "Overview" - it's completely screwed up)
It's another Catholic mythology story, directed by Brian Helgeland
(who also did "A Knight's Tale", "L.A. Confidential" and "Blood
Work"). It was pretty much universally panned by the critics (this
review isn't actually too bad - it still pans the movie, but at least
it has a sense of humor:
http://www.filmthreat.com/Reviews.asp?Id=4935).
I figured if that many failed screen writers (isn't that what movie
critics are?) trashed it, it must be worth seeing. If you have any
interest in movies about Christian mythology and you also check
reality at the door as you enter, it's not too bad of an outing. It
has a few chills, some thrills, and a nice sense of humor.
It regathers three of the actors from "A Knight's Tale": Heath Ledger,
Shannyn Sossamon, and Mark Addy, and introduces a concept I had never
come across before - that of the Sin-Eater (played with wonderful
purpose by Benno Furmann) - a being who actually defeats God's scheme
of keeping certain disreputables out of Heaven by actually taking
their sins upon himself. I have no idea if this actually is part of
the Catholic pantheon or if it was just made up for the movie.
Apparently eating someone's sin makes it as though the eater has
committed the sin - he has have all the memory of it and the feelings
engendered by committing it.
No real reason is offered as to why someone would do this, just as no
"logic" is attempted in explaining how it is that there can be beings
in God's creation who defeat god's purpose without God wanting to do
something about it. Apparently these Sin-eaters can live
indefinitely, become fabulously wealthy, and remain studly looking, so
I guess there's a reason right there!
I loved the fact that they had Robocop (Peter Weller) play an
ambitious cardinal. That seemed oddly fitting.
Budikka
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| User: "Chani" |
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| Title: Re: Movie: The Order |
12 Sep 2003 08:02:22 PM |
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"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e1e30450.0309120923.d07f47@posting.google.com...
I haven't seen any comments in a.a. yet on this movie (The Order)
which was released on Sept. 5th.
http://movies.go.com/movies/O/order_2003/index.html
(Don't bother with the "Overview" - it's completely screwed up)
<snip>
I saw the movie and liked it although it didn't end the same movie it began.
It really didn't paint the catholic church in such a good light either, but
that isn't why I liked it. It could have been better edited, and it could
have stuck with one theme. It was rather jumpy and not in a good way. Not
to mention that it had characters and parts in it that were never used nor
explained really, they were just there.
--
Chani, atheist #1118
Head of the EAC
Tweeker of Tukla, a very, um, colorful Ratte
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Budikka
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| User: "Sean C" |
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| Title: Re: Movie: The Order |
14 Sep 2003 03:02:20 AM |
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In article <y0u8b.2241$fX4.765@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>, Chani
<atheist@thereisnogod.com> wrote:
I saw the movie and liked it although it didn't end the same movie it began.
It really didn't paint the catholic church in such a good light either, but
that isn't why I liked it. It could have been better edited, and it could
have stuck with one theme. It was rather jumpy and not in a good way. Not
to mention that it had characters and parts in it that were never used nor
explained really, they were just there.
I didn't particularly like this movie, but I was wondering how they
managed to get permission to film inside St. Peter's Basillica (if that
was actually the real thing and not a set). If that was a set, or
computer-generated, then it was very beautiful and well-done. I found
myself fascinated by the idea that such an incredibly beautiful
building could be built by the devotees of such an ignorant and
backwards religion. The beuty of the building stands in stark contrast
to the ugliness of medieval Christianity.
Sean C
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| User: "Phil Wain" |
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| Title: Re: Movie: The Order |
14 Sep 2003 12:04:50 PM |
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In message <140920030402201353%redhawk@hvc.rr.com>, Sean C
<redhawk@hvc.rr.com> writes
In article <y0u8b.2241$fX4.765@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>, Chani
<atheist@thereisnogod.com> wrote:
I saw the movie and liked it although it didn't end the same movie it began.
It really didn't paint the catholic church in such a good light either, but
that isn't why I liked it. It could have been better edited, and it could
have stuck with one theme. It was rather jumpy and not in a good way. Not
to mention that it had characters and parts in it that were never used nor
explained really, they were just there.
I didn't particularly like this movie, but I was wondering how they
managed to get permission to film inside St. Peter's Basillica (if that
was actually the real thing and not a set). If that was a set, or
computer-generated, then it was very beautiful and well-done. I found
myself fascinated by the idea that such an incredibly beautiful
building could be built by the devotees of such an ignorant and
backwards religion. The beuty of the building stands in stark contrast
to the ugliness of medieval Christianity.
Sean C
Money, dear boy. This is the Roman Catholic Church we're talking about
after all.
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Phil Wain
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| User: "Marc Satterwhite" |
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| Title: Re: Movie: The Order |
15 Sep 2003 11:38:43 AM |
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Sean C wrote:
In article <y0u8b.2241$fX4.765@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>, Chani
<atheist@thereisnogod.com> wrote:
I saw the movie and liked it although it didn't end the same movie it began.
It really didn't paint the catholic church in such a good light either, but
that isn't why I liked it. It could have been better edited, and it could
have stuck with one theme. It was rather jumpy and not in a good way. Not
to mention that it had characters and parts in it that were never used nor
explained really, they were just there.
I didn't particularly like this movie, but I was wondering how they
managed to get permission to film inside St. Peter's Basillica (if that
was actually the real thing and not a set). If that was a set, or
computer-generated, then it was very beautiful and well-done. I found
myself fascinated by the idea that such an incredibly beautiful
building could be built by the devotees of such an ignorant and
backwards religion. The beauty of the building stands in stark contrast
to the ugliness of medieval Christianity.
As do so many churches in Europe. Have you ever seen Chartres?
A symphony in stained glass, as it has been described.
Beautiful beyond beautiful.
Best, Marc
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Movie: The Order |
12 Sep 2003 12:50:55 PM |
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Budikka wrote:
I haven't seen any comments in a.a. yet on this movie (The Order)
which was released on Sept. 5th.
http://movies.go.com/movies/O/order_2003/index.html
(Don't bother with the "Overview" - it's completely screwed up)
It's another Catholic mythology story, directed by Brian Helgeland
(who also did "A Knight's Tale", "L.A. Confidential" and "Blood
Work"). It was pretty much universally panned by the critics (this
review isn't actually too bad - it still pans the movie, but at least
it has a sense of humor:
http://www.filmthreat.com/Reviews.asp?Id=4935).
I figured if that many failed screen writers (isn't that what movie
critics are?) trashed it, it must be worth seeing. If you have any
interest in movies about Christian mythology and you also check
reality at the door as you enter, it's not too bad of an outing. It
has a few chills, some thrills, and a nice sense of humor.
It regathers three of the actors from "A Knight's Tale": Heath Ledger,
Shannyn Sossamon, and Mark Addy, and introduces a concept I had never
come across before - that of the Sin-Eater (played with wonderful
purpose by Benno Furmann) - a being who actually defeats God's scheme
of keeping certain disreputables out of Heaven by actually taking
their sins upon himself. I have no idea if this actually is part of
the Catholic pantheon or if it was just made up for the movie.
Apparently eating someone's sin makes it as though the eater has
committed the sin - he has have all the memory of it and the feelings
engendered by committing it.
Not sure about Catholicism, but there was a Night Gallery episode about
"The Sin Eater". Something about why the job is hereditary...
--
Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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| User: "Phil Wain" |
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| Title: Re: Movie: The Order |
12 Sep 2003 01:43:29 PM |
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In message <vm41russ84j4a1@news.supernews.com>, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> writes
Budikka wrote:
I haven't seen any comments in a.a. yet on this movie (The Order)
which was released on Sept. 5th.
http://movies.go.com/movies/O/order_2003/index.html
(Don't bother with the "Overview" - it's completely screwed up)
It's another Catholic mythology story, directed by Brian Helgeland
(who also did "A Knight's Tale", "L.A. Confidential" and "Blood
Work"). It was pretty much universally panned by the critics (this
review isn't actually too bad - it still pans the movie, but at least
it has a sense of humor:
http://www.filmthreat.com/Reviews.asp?Id=4935).
I figured if that many failed screen writers (isn't that what movie
critics are?) trashed it, it must be worth seeing. If you have any
interest in movies about Christian mythology and you also check
reality at the door as you enter, it's not too bad of an outing. It
has a few chills, some thrills, and a nice sense of humor.
It regathers three of the actors from "A Knight's Tale": Heath
Ledger,
Shannyn Sossamon, and Mark Addy, and introduces a concept I had never
come across before - that of the Sin-Eater (played with wonderful
purpose by Benno Furmann) - a being who actually defeats God's scheme
of keeping certain disreputables out of Heaven by actually taking
their sins upon himself. I have no idea if this actually is part of
the Catholic pantheon or if it was just made up for the movie.
Apparently eating someone's sin makes it as though the eater has
committed the sin - he has have all the memory of it and the feelings
engendered by committing it.
Not sure about Catholicism, but there was a Night Gallery episode about
"The Sin Eater". Something about why the job is hereditary...
The film has just been released here in the UK as the Sin Eater.
--
Phil Wain
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