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"Fred Stone" |
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10 Aug 2007 03:30:35 PM |
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MSM hits new lows in public opinion poll |
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070809222839.jzdcwmy8
&show_article=1
US public sees news media as biased, inaccurate, uncaring: poll
Aug 9 06:28 PM US/Eastern
More than half of Americans say US news organizations are politically
biased, inaccurate, and don't care about the people they report on, a
poll published Thursday showed.
And poll respondents who use the Internet as their main source of news
-- roughly one quarter of all Americans -- were even harsher with their
criticism, the poll conducted by the Pew Research Center said.
More than two-thirds of the Internet users said they felt that news
organizations don't care about the people they report on; 59 percent
said their reporting was inaccurate; and 64 percent they were
politically biased.
More than half -- 53 percent -- of Internet users also faulted the news
organizations for "failing to stand up for America".
Among those who get their news from newspapers and television, criticism
of the news organizations was up to 20 percentage points lower than
among Internet news audiences, who tend to be younger and better
educated than the public as a whole, according to Pew.
The poll indicates an across the board fall in the public's opinion on
the news media since 1985, when a similar survey was conducted by Times
Mirror, Pew Research said.
"Two decades ago, public attitudes about how news organizations do their
job were less negative. Most people believed that news organizations
stood up for America... a majority believed that news organizations got
the facts straight," Pew said in a report.
The Washington-based Pew Research Center describes itself as a
nonpartisan "fact tank" that provides information on the issues,
attitudes and trends shaping America and the world.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
的t takes a truly twisted perspective to see a man who commits private
sins while arguing in public for virtue, and choose to take issue with
the latter."
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| User: "ike milligan" |
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10 Aug 2007 05:58:42 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9988A7096B4F0freddybear@216.151.153.21...
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070809222839.jzdcwmy8
&show_article=1
US public sees news media as biased, inaccurate, uncaring: poll
Aug 9 06:28 PM US/Eastern
More than half of Americans say US news organizations are politically
biased, inaccurate, and don't care about the people they report on, a
poll published Thursday showed.
And poll respondents who use the Internet as their main source of news
-- roughly one quarter of all Americans -- were even harsher with their
criticism, the poll conducted by the Pew Research Center said.
More than two-thirds of the Internet users said they felt that news
organizations don't care about the people they report on; 59 percent
said their reporting was inaccurate; and 64 percent they were
politically biased.
More than half -- 53 percent -- of Internet users also faulted the news
organizations for "failing to stand up for America".
Among those who get their news from newspapers and television, criticism
of the news organizations was up to 20 percentage points lower than
among Internet news audiences, who tend to be younger and better
educated than the public as a whole, according to Pew.
The poll indicates an across the board fall in the public's opinion on
the news media since 1985, when a similar survey was conducted by Times
Mirror, Pew Research said.
"Two decades ago, public attitudes about how news organizations do their
job were less negative. Most people believed that news organizations
stood up for America... a majority believed that news organizations got
the facts straight," Pew said in a report.
The Washington-based Pew Research Center describes itself as a
nonpartisan "fact tank" that provides information on the issues,
attitudes and trends shaping America and the world.
OK, Fred, this is a link to it..
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/564/internet-news-audience
So what should I do now, ignore the news?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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10 Aug 2007 06:19:46 PM |
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"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:13bprdiah575g26@corp.supernews.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9988A7096B4F0freddybear@216.151.153.21...
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070809222839.jzdcwmy8
&show_article=1
US public sees news media as biased, inaccurate, uncaring: poll
Aug 9 06:28 PM US/Eastern
More than half of Americans say US news organizations are politically
biased, inaccurate, and don't care about the people they report on, a
poll published Thursday showed.
And poll respondents who use the Internet as their main source of
news -- roughly one quarter of all Americans -- were even harsher
with their criticism, the poll conducted by the Pew Research Center
said.
More than two-thirds of the Internet users said they felt that news
organizations don't care about the people they report on; 59 percent
said their reporting was inaccurate; and 64 percent they were
politically biased.
More than half -- 53 percent -- of Internet users also faulted the
news organizations for "failing to stand up for America".
Among those who get their news from newspapers and television,
criticism of the news organizations was up to 20 percentage points
lower than among Internet news audiences, who tend to be younger and
better educated than the public as a whole, according to Pew.
The poll indicates an across the board fall in the public's opinion
on the news media since 1985, when a similar survey was conducted by
Times Mirror, Pew Research said.
"Two decades ago, public attitudes about how news organizations do
their job were less negative. Most people believed that news
organizations stood up for America... a majority believed that news
organizations got the facts straight," Pew said in a report.
The Washington-based Pew Research Center describes itself as a
nonpartisan "fact tank" that provides information on the issues,
attitudes and trends shaping America and the world.
OK, Fred, this is a link to it..
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/564/internet-news-audience
So what should I do now, ignore the news?
Notice that Internet users are especially skeptical of news
organizations. That's because it's so easy for us to check their facts
for ourselves. So no, don't ignore the news. But don't trust them
either.
Check it out for yourself.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
的t takes a truly twisted perspective to see a man who commits private
sins while arguing in public for virtue, and choose to take issue with
the latter."
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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10 Aug 2007 06:35:39 PM |
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On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:58:42 -0400, ike milligan wrote:
OK, Fred, this is a link to it..
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/564/internet-news-audience
So what should I do now, ignore the news?
Isn't it interesting that polls become significant only when they say
something he likes?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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10 Aug 2007 09:10:37 PM |
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On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:35:39 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> in <KvydnftMPLfWayHbnZ2dnUVZ_orinZ2d@giganews.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:58:42 -0400, ike milligan wrote:
OK, Fred, this is a link to it..
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/564/internet-news-audience
So what should I do now, ignore the news?
Isn't it interesting that polls become significant only when they say
something he likes?
I bet that people are very unhappy with how the MSM banged the drum
for this war for so long.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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11 Aug 2007 08:22:51 AM |
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 02:10:37 +0000, Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:35:39 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> in <KvydnftMPLfWayHbnZ2dnUVZ_orinZ2d@giganews.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:58:42 -0400, ike milligan wrote:
OK, Fred, this is a link to it..
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/564/internet-news-audience
So what should I do now, ignore the news?
Isn't it interesting that polls become significant only when they say
something he likes?
I bet that people are very unhappy with how the MSM banged the drum for
this war for so long.
Actually, the interesting this is that the article notes that the biggest
disapproval comes from people who get their "news" from Duh Internet.
So they're apparently finding that a blog by a pimple faced thirteen year
old with a $9.95 a month ISP account is more "reliable" than the old line
news agencies.
Which begs the question of how it is that if the news agencies with all
their resources are unreliable, why should we trust some goof in his
mom's basement?
I'm of the opinion that what we're seeing is the destruction of the
concept of "news". News is being reduced to "find somebody who says
things you want to hear and label the rest as the 'MSM'".
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Arrogance has to be earned. Tell me what you've done to earn yours."
- Dr. House
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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11 Aug 2007 02:02:44 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Actually, the interesting this is that the article notes that the biggest
disapproval comes from people who get their "news" from Duh Internet.
So they're apparently finding that a blog by a pimple faced thirteen year
old with a $9.95 a month ISP account is more "reliable" than the old line
news agencies.
I've recently had an exchange elsewhere with a socialist who's looking
forward to a coming workers' revolution. One of the reasons he thinks
it'll succeed is that the technology is in place for workers to be
better informed by non-compulsory news sources, i.e. sites that don't
get their news from Big News, standard news sources or the government.
The exchange ended when I pointed out he means blogs run by people
without primary contact with the stories, most of whom simply copy each
other's entries and tack on a sentence of opinion without additional
fact.
Which begs the question of how it is that if the news agencies with all
their resources are unreliable, why should we trust some goof in his
mom's basement?
That is exactly what I had wanted to ask this guy, I didn't get the
chance.
Seeing people talk about how great bloggers are for news reminds me of a
story called "The Machine Stops". It takes place after humanity has
given itself over to the care of computers and machines that control
every aspect of life so that the only thing people do is enrich their
minds by watching lectures on TV and giving lectures in their turn.
Since humanity had long since moved into massive buildings underground,
where each person has his or her own little room which is connected to
everyone via a computer monitor, the contents of lectures are just
warmed over bits and pieces from other lectures they've heard. First
hand experience, which used to just be considered unnecessary, has
finally been recognized as undesirable, since interacting with something
destroys the ability to analyze it properly, and any information at less
than 10th hand is considered too close to the source.
I'm of the opinion that what we're seeing is the destruction of the
concept of "news". News is being reduced to "find somebody who says
things you want to hear and label the rest as the 'MSM'".
Blogs are doing online what gerrymandering has done in everyday life.
People are just going to sites that reinforce their opinions and allow
them to feel as though they are part of a vibrant, important part of the
political process, just as moving to areas set aside for one party or
the other lets them surround themselves with people who react to the
same stimuli they do (I just can't use the word "think" here).
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L. Raymond
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| User: "Jenny6833A" |
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11 Aug 2007 10:57:47 AM |
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On Aug 11, 6:22?am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Actually, the interesting this is that the article notes that the biggest
disapproval comes from people who get their "news" from Duh Internet.
Not surprising though. Multiple sources, especially when you read a
lot of foreign ones, tend to highlight discrepancies.
So they're apparently finding that a blog by a pimple faced thirteen year
old with a $9.95 a month ISP account is more "reliable" than the old line
news agencies.
I don't think so. It's BBC, The Trib, Le Monde, and so on (and on and
on). All are old line news agencies, and the "factual content" often
makes one wonder if the American press is covering the same events.
Which begs the question of how it is that if the news agencies with all
their resources are unreliable, why should we trust some goof in his
mom's basement?
I don't fully trust any of them, and especially not some goof in his
Mom's basement.
OTOH, some of the little known media and some of the bloggers _do_
publicize stuff that (rightly or wrongly) the MSM won't touch.
I'm of the opinion that what we're seeing is the destruction of the
concept of "news". News is being reduced to "find somebody who says
things you want to hear and label the rest as the 'MSM'".
Again, I don't think so. For me, at least, it's a matter of reading
quite different accounts and analyses of the same events, and trying
to figure out where the truth is.
:-)
Jenny
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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11 Aug 2007 11:38:00 AM |
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:57:47 -0700, Jenny6833A wrote:
On Aug 11, 6:22?am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Actually, the interesting this is that the article notes that the
biggest disapproval comes from people who get their "news" from Duh
Internet.
Not surprising though. Multiple sources, especially when you read a lot
of foreign ones, tend to highlight discrepancies.
So they're apparently finding that a blog by a pimple faced thirteen
year old with a $9.95 a month ISP account is more "reliable" than the
old line news agencies.
I don't think so. It's BBC, The Trib, Le Monde, and so on (and on and
on). All are old line news agencies, and the "factual content" often
makes one wonder if the American press is covering the same events.
I doubt--very seriously--that the US has seen some major rise in people
reading foriegn news agencies. Especially when the poll shows that a
majority think the news isn't "defending America" (or some crap like
that). People here *want* Pravda.
I'm convinced the only reason Bush's ratings are high as they are now is
that closed, incestuous world of "bloggers" who link to each other non-
stop, passing rumors and innuendo around and calling it "news". Without
that "echo chamber", he'd be below Nixon by now.
Which begs the question of how it is that if the news agencies with all
their resources are unreliable, why should we trust some goof in his
mom's basement?
I don't fully trust any of them, and especially not some goof in his
Mom's basement.
OTOH, some of the little known media and some of the bloggers _do_
publicize stuff that (rightly or wrongly) the MSM won't touch.
Yeah but.
The contradiction inherent in the right winger claim about the MSM is
that anybody who has the resources to be a primary source *is* an "MSM".
A blogger--by definition--can never be a primary source. He or she can
only write about what others wrote about. It's not like a blogger can
send staff reporters to Iraq or anything.
Indy media can serve a useful purpose, especially in a day of massive
media conglomerates with vested interests in the status quo but even they
have limited resources. And good indy media isn't trying to pretend it
has the scope and resources of a, oh, CNN. Even then, you have to be
careful. I've seen indy media swallow silly things whole. They have
limited resources. They can be fooled more easily.
I'm of the opinion that what we're seeing is the destruction of the
concept of "news". News is being reduced to "find somebody who says
things you want to hear and label the rest as the 'MSM'".
Again, I don't think so. For me, at least, it's a matter of reading
quite different accounts and analyses of the same events, and trying to
figure out where the truth is.
If the "blogosphere" would get over being "the new news", it would be
fine. If they were styling themselves as *opinion houses (which they
are), that's fine.
But do you know there are still a percentage of people in this country
that firmly believe Saddam had WMDs? That he was involved or even behind
9/11? That he *used* WMDs in the war?
(Yes, really, there's a percentage out there that actually thinks these
weapons nobody found were used when we invaded.)
Some of these bloggers are flat making ***** up and then linking to each
other in some weird imitation of "news" and "sources". And any
contradiction of what they want to believe is "MSM! MSM! MSM!"
There's a finite and, I worry, growing number of people on *both* sides
that read only sources that will tell them what they want to hear. And
that is very, very dangerous.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Arrogance has to be earned. Tell me what you've done to earn yours."
- Dr. House
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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11 Aug 2007 12:12:36 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:Hu6dnX8SYvp1eCDbnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@giganews.com:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:57:47 -0700, Jenny6833A wrote:
On Aug 11, 6:22?am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Actually, the interesting this is that the article notes that the
biggest disapproval comes from people who get their "news" from Duh
Internet.
Not surprising though. Multiple sources, especially when you read a
lot of foreign ones, tend to highlight discrepancies.
So they're apparently finding that a blog by a pimple faced thirteen
year old with a $9.95 a month ISP account is more "reliable" than
the old line news agencies.
I don't think so. It's BBC, The Trib, Le Monde, and so on (and on
and on). All are old line news agencies, and the "factual content"
often makes one wonder if the American press is covering the same
events.
I doubt--very seriously--that the US has seen some major rise in
people reading foriegn news agencies. Especially when the poll shows
that a majority think the news isn't "defending America" (or some crap
like that). People here *want* Pravda.
That you think "defending America" is crap is telling.
I'm convinced the only reason Bush's ratings are high as they are now
is that closed, incestuous world of "bloggers" who link to each other
non- stop, passing rumors and innuendo around and calling it "news".
Without that "echo chamber", he'd be below Nixon by now.
This newsgroup is one big leftwing echo chamber. Nothing but lefty
political thought allowed.
Which begs the question of how it is that if the news agencies with
all their resources are unreliable, why should we trust some goof in
his mom's basement?
I don't fully trust any of them, and especially not some goof in his
Mom's basement.
OTOH, some of the little known media and some of the bloggers _do_
publicize stuff that (rightly or wrongly) the MSM won't touch.
Yeah but.
The contradiction inherent in the right winger claim about the MSM is
that anybody who has the resources to be a primary source *is* an
"MSM".
No, Mark, the MSM is *not* a primary source. Reporters are not primary
sources. Reporters *TALK TO* primary sources. You will hardly ever get
first hand information from a reporter.
A blogger--by definition--can never be a primary source. He or
she can only write about what others wrote about. It's not like a
blogger can send staff reporters to Iraq or anything.
It's not like a blogger has to send staff reporters to Iraq. On the
contrary, a blogger can be a primary source. A blogger can *go to Iraq
and see for himself*. Michael Yon and Bill Roggio have done that.
Michelle Malkin (no, the other Michelle Malkin) did it too.
Indy media can serve a useful purpose, especially in a day of massive
media conglomerates with vested interests in the status quo but even
they have limited resources. And good indy media isn't trying to
pretend it has the scope and resources of a, oh, CNN. Even then, you
have to be careful. I've seen indy media swallow silly things whole.
They have limited resources. They can be fooled more easily.
CNN told the world that they suppressed information about Saddam's
torture chambers in order to keep access to the country for their
reporters.
Bloggers don't have to be generalists. Each one is a specialist in a
particular field and can put all his limited resources into what
interests him. And there are thousands of bloggers.
<...>
There's a finite and, I worry, growing number of people on *both*
sides that read only sources that will tell them what they want to
hear. And that is very, very dangerous.
And you're one of the worst of them, Mark.
Look in a mirror and say "projection".
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
的t takes a truly twisted perspective to see a man who commits private
sins while arguing in public for virtue, and choose to take issue with
the latter."
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11 Aug 2007 02:09:15 AM |
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On 10 Aug., 22:30, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070809222839.jzdcwmy8
&show_article=1
US public sees news media as biased, inaccurate, uncaring: poll
Aug 9 06:28 PM US/Eastern
More than half of Americans say US news organizations are politically
biased, inaccurate, and don't care about the people they report on, a
poll published Thursday showed.
And poll respondents who use the Internet as their main source of news
-- roughly one quarter of all Americans -- were even harsher with their
criticism, the poll conducted by the Pew Research Center said.
More than two-thirds of the Internet users said they felt that news
organizations don't care about the people they report on; 59 percent
said their reporting was inaccurate; and 64 percent they were
politically biased.
More than half -- 53 percent -- of Internet users also faulted the news
organizations for "failing to stand up for America".
Among those who get their news from newspapers and television, criticism
of the news organizations was up to 20 percentage points lower than
among Internet news audiences, who tend to be younger and better
educated than the public as a whole, according to Pew.
The poll indicates an across the board fall in the public's opinion on
the news media since 1985, when a similar survey was conducted by Times
Mirror, Pew Research said.
"Two decades ago, public attitudes about how news organizations do their
job were less negative. Most people believed that news organizations
stood up for America... a majority believed that news organizations got
the facts straight," Pew said in a report.
The Washington-based Pew Research Center describes itself as a
nonpartisan "fact tank" that provides information on the issues,
attitudes and trends shaping America and the world.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"It takes a truly twisted perspective to see a man who commits private
sins while arguing in public for virtue, and choose to take issue with
the latter."
Am I the only who finds this sentence frightening:
"More than half -- 53 percent -- of Internet users also faulted the
news
organizations for "failing to stand up for America". "
Does this mean that 53% of Americans would rather have news that make
them feel good than getting the actual truth?
Do 53% of Americans would rather read/watch some Pravda-like
information sources rather than an objective one?
This is frightening...
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| User: "Fester" |
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11 Aug 2007 04:10:36 AM |
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<parsifal50@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1186816155.291665.36490@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On 10 Aug., 22:30, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070809222839.jzdcwmy8
&show_article=1
US public sees news media as biased, inaccurate, uncaring: poll
Aug 9 06:28 PM US/Eastern
More than half of Americans say US news organizations are politically
biased, inaccurate, and don't care about the people they report on, a
poll published Thursday showed.
And poll respondents who use the Internet as their main source of news
-- roughly one quarter of all Americans -- were even harsher with their
criticism, the poll conducted by the Pew Research Center said.
More than two-thirds of the Internet users said they felt that news
organizations don't care about the people they report on; 59 percent
said their reporting was inaccurate; and 64 percent they were
politically biased.
More than half -- 53 percent -- of Internet users also faulted the news
organizations for "failing to stand up for America".
Among those who get their news from newspapers and television, criticism
of the news organizations was up to 20 percentage points lower than
among Internet news audiences, who tend to be younger and better
educated than the public as a whole, according to Pew.
The poll indicates an across the board fall in the public's opinion on
the news media since 1985, when a similar survey was conducted by Times
Mirror, Pew Research said.
"Two decades ago, public attitudes about how news organizations do their
job were less negative. Most people believed that news organizations
stood up for America... a majority believed that news organizations got
the facts straight," Pew said in a report.
The Washington-based Pew Research Center describes itself as a
nonpartisan "fact tank" that provides information on the issues,
attitudes and trends shaping America and the world.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"It takes a truly twisted perspective to see a man who commits private
sins while arguing in public for virtue, and choose to take issue with
the latter."
Am I the only who finds this sentence frightening:
"More than half -- 53 percent -- of Internet users also faulted the
news
organizations for "failing to stand up for America". "
Does this mean that 53% of Americans would rather have news that make
them feel good than getting the actual truth?
Do 53% of Americans would rather read/watch some Pravda-like
information sources rather than an objective one?
No, it means that most Americans do not want news channels to bias their
coverage against the US! The legacy media is Pravda-like right now, tearing
downt he US at every turn. Americans are sick of it.
This is frightening...
Everything frightens you. You're a scared, little man.
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11 Aug 2007 10:35:31 AM |
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On 11 Aug., 11:10, "Fester" <n...@home.com> wrote:
<parsifa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1186816155.291665.36490@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On 10 Aug., 22:30, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070809222839.jzdcwmy8
&show_article=1
US public sees news media as biased, inaccurate, uncaring: poll
Aug 9 06:28 PM US/Eastern
More than half of Americans say US news organizations are politically
biased, inaccurate, and don't care about the people they report on, a
poll published Thursday showed.
And poll respondents who use the Internet as their main source of news
-- roughly one quarter of all Americans -- were even harsher with their
criticism, the poll conducted by the Pew Research Center said.
More than two-thirds of the Internet users said they felt that news
organizations don't care about the people they report on; 59 percent
said their reporting was inaccurate; and 64 percent they were
politically biased.
More than half -- 53 percent -- of Internet users also faulted the news
organizations for "failing to stand up for America".
Among those who get their news from newspapers and television, criticism
of the news organizations was up to 20 percentage points lower than
among Internet news audiences, who tend to be younger and better
educated than the public as a whole, according to Pew.
The poll indicates an across the board fall in the public's opinion on
the news media since 1985, when a similar survey was conducted by Times
Mirror, Pew Research said.
"Two decades ago, public attitudes about how news organizations do their
job were less negative. Most people believed that news organizations
stood up for America... a majority believed that news organizations got
the facts straight," Pew said in a report.
The Washington-based Pew Research Center describes itself as a
nonpartisan "fact tank" that provides information on the issues,
attitudes and trends shaping America and the world.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"It takes a truly twisted perspective to see a man who commits private
sins while arguing in public for virtue, and choose to take issue with
the latter."
Am I the only who finds this sentence frightening:
"More than half -- 53 percent -- of Internet users also faulted the
news
organizations for "failing to stand up for America". "
Does this mean that 53% of Americans would rather have news that make
them feel good than getting the actual truth?
Do 53% of Americans would rather read/watch some Pravda-like
information sources rather than an objective one?
No, it means that most Americans do not want news channels to bias their
coverage against the US! The legacy media is Pravda-like right now, tearing
downt he US at every turn. Americans are sick of it.
Please, give me an example... and stop talking like a rightard
sycophant. There is no left-wing conspiracy.
BTW, for non-Americans, your media seem the most biaised (as in pro-
American) and conservative in the Western world.
This is frightening...
Everything frightens you. You're a scared, little man.-
Yankee moron.
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11 Aug 2007 04:22:55 PM |
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On 11 Aug., 11:10, "Fester" <n...@home.com> wrote:
<parsifa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1186816155.291665.36490@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On 10 Aug., 22:30, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070809222839.jzdcwmy8
&show_article=1
US public sees news media as biased, inaccurate, uncaring: poll
Aug 9 06:28 PM US/Eastern
More than half of Americans say US news organizations are politically
biased, inaccurate, and don't care about the people they report on, a
poll published Thursday showed.
And poll respondents who use the Internet as their main source of news
-- roughly one quarter of all Americans -- were even harsher with
their
criticism, the poll conducted by the Pew Research Center said.
More than two-thirds of the Internet users said they felt that news
organizations don't care about the people they report on; 59 percent
said their reporting was inaccurate; and 64 percent they were
politically biased.
More than half -- 53 percent -- of Internet users also faulted the
news
organizations for "failing to stand up for America".
Among those who get their news from newspapers and television,
criticism
of the news organizations was up to 20 percentage points lower than
among Internet news audiences, who tend to be younger and better
educated than the public as a whole, according to Pew.
The poll indicates an across the board fall in the public's opinion on
the news media since 1985, when a similar survey was conducted by
Times
Mirror, Pew Research said.
"Two decades ago, public attitudes about how news organizations do
their
job were less negative. Most people believed that news organizations
stood up for America... a majority believed that news organizations
got
the facts straight," Pew said in a report.
The Washington-based Pew Research Center describes itself as a
nonpartisan "fact tank" that provides information on the issues,
attitudes and trends shaping America and the world.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"It takes a truly twisted perspective to see a man who commits private
sins while arguing in public for virtue, and choose to take issue with
the latter."
Am I the only who finds this sentence frightening:
"More than half -- 53 percent -- of Internet users also faulted the
news
organizations for "failing to stand up for America". "
Does this mean that 53% of Americans would rather have news that make
them feel good than getting the actual truth?
Do 53% of Americans would rather read/watch some Pravda-like
information sources rather than an objective one?
No, it means that most Americans do not want news channels to bias their
coverage against the US! The legacy media is Pravda-like right now,
tearing
downt he US at every turn. Americans are sick of it.
Please, give me an example... and stop talking like a rightard
sycophant. There is no left-wing conspiracy.
BTW, for non-Americans, your media seem the most biaised (as in pro-
American) and conservative in the Western world.
All the extreme BS about the war is a prime example. Until the truth has
become to well known for them to ignore, reporting was solidly in the Harry
"The War is Lost" Reid camp. They have consistently gone out of their way
to expose any national secret they could find snitch to tell them about and
have consistently sensationalized it in a negative light, ignoring the
necessity and efficacy and legality of the programs. They have consistently
under-reported good economic news, rang hysterical alarms over "crises" like
the current mortgage defaults among a handful of greedy, stupid banks and
consumers. They have consistently failed to report the exceptional nature
of the steady growth, high employment and low inflation that we've enjoyed
since the Bush tax cuts have had their effect.
This is frightening...
Everything frightens you. You're a scared, little man.-
Yankee moron.
Good argument. Now pat yourself on the ***** and go whack off some where.
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11 Aug 2007 08:48:55 AM |
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On 10 aug, 22:30, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070809222839.jzdcwmy8
&show_article=1
US public sees news media as biased, inaccurate, uncaring: poll
Aug 9 06:28 PM US/Eastern
More than half of Americans say US news organizations are politically
biased, inaccurate, and don't care about the people they report on, a
poll published Thursday showed.
And poll respondents who use the Internet as their main source of news
-- roughly one quarter of all Americans -- were even harsher with their
criticism, the poll conducted by the Pew Research Center said.
More than two-thirds of the Internet users said they felt that news
organizations don't care about the people they report on; 59 percent
said their reporting was inaccurate; and 64 percent they were
politically biased.
More than half -- 53 percent -- of Internet users also faulted the news
organizations for "failing to stand up for America".
Among those who get their news from newspapers and television, criticism
of the news organizations was up to 20 percentage points lower than
among Internet news audiences, who tend to be younger and better
educated than the public as a whole, according to Pew.
The poll indicates an across the board fall in the public's opinion on
the news media since 1985, when a similar survey was conducted by Times
Mirror, Pew Research said.
"Two decades ago, public attitudes about how news organizations do their
job were less negative. Most people believed that news organizations
stood up for America... a majority believed that news organizations got
the facts straight," Pew said in a report.
The Washington-based Pew Research Center describes itself as a
nonpartisan "fact tank" that provides information on the issues,
attitudes and trends shaping America and the world.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"It takes a truly twisted perspective to see a man who commits private
sins while arguing in public for virtue, and choose to take issue with
the latter."
As a foreigner, I would say that "standing up for America"
is politically byassed:)
I also would say that two decades ago most people were more gullable:)
Peter van Velzen
August 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
"It makes a truly twisted perspective to see an atheist use the word
sin,
and even more if one thinks their is anyone fully practicing all the
virtues
(s)he supports in public"
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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11 Aug 2007 10:56:25 AM |
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"pbamvv@worldonline.nl" <pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in
news:1186840135.241038.316310@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
On 10 aug, 22:30, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070809222839.jzdcwmy8
&show_article=1
US public sees news media as biased, inaccurate, uncaring: poll
Aug 9 06:28 PM US/Eastern
More than half of Americans say US news organizations are politically
biased, inaccurate, and don't care about the people they report on, a
poll published Thursday showed.
And poll respondents who use the Internet as their main source of
news -- roughly one quarter of all Americans -- were even harsher
with their criticism, the poll conducted by the Pew Research Center
said.
More than two-thirds of the Internet users said they felt that news
organizations don't care about the people they report on; 59 percent
said their reporting was inaccurate; and 64 percent they were
politically biased.
More than half -- 53 percent -- of Internet users also faulted the
news organizations for "failing to stand up for America".
Among those who get their news from newspapers and television,
criticism of the news organizations was up to 20 percentage points
lower than among Internet news audiences, who tend to be younger and
better educated than the public as a whole, according to Pew.
The poll indicates an across the board fall in the public's opinion
on the news media since 1985, when a similar survey was conducted by
Times Mirror, Pew Research said.
"Two decades ago, public attitudes about how news organizations do
their job were less negative. Most people believed that news
organizations stood up for America... a majority believed that news
organizations got the facts straight," Pew said in a report.
The Washington-based Pew Research Center describes itself as a
nonpartisan "fact tank" that provides information on the issues,
attitudes and trends shaping America and the world.
As a foreigner, I would say that "standing up for America"
is politically byassed:)
"Refusing to stand up for America" is biased too. America isn't always
wrong. There aren't two sides to every story.
I also would say that two decades ago most people were more gullable:)
You would be wrong. Leftists of every stripe are the most gullible
people in the entire history of the planet. Bar none. They'll believe
anything except the truth.
Peter van Velzen
August 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
"It makes a truly twisted perspective to see an atheist use the word
sin, and even more if one thinks their is anyone fully practicing all
the virtues (s)he supports in public"
"sin" is a convenient abbreviation for "immoral or unethical behavior".
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
的t takes a truly twisted perspective to see a man who commits private
sins while arguing in public for virtue, and choose to take issue with
the latter."
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| User: "ike milligan" |
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| Title: Re: MSM hits new lows in public opinion poll |
11 Aug 2007 04:33:28 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns998979ABEF661freddybear@216.151.153.45...
"pbamvv@worldonline.nl" <pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in
news:1186840135.241038.316310@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
On 10 aug, 22:30, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070809222839.jzdcwmy8
&show_article=1
US public sees news media as biased, inaccurate, uncaring: poll
Aug 9 06:28 PM US/Eastern
<snip>
You would be wrong. Leftists of every stripe are the most gullible
people in the entire history of the planet. Bar none. They'll believe
anything except the truth.
Example? Like your version and the leftist version?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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13 Aug 2007 10:19:52 AM |
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"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:13bsb7vs9qm2l07@corp.supernews.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns998979ABEF661freddybear@216.151.153.45...
"pbamvv@worldonline.nl" <pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in
news:1186840135.241038.316310@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
On 10 aug, 22:30, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070809222839.jzdcwmy8
&show_article=1
US public sees news media as biased, inaccurate, uncaring: poll
Aug 9 06:28 PM US/Eastern
<snip>
You would be wrong. Leftists of every stripe are the most gullible
people in the entire history of the planet. Bar none. They'll believe
anything except the truth.
Example? Like your version and the leftist version?
It's not a question of "my version". The truth is the truth. The leftist
version is anything but.
Example:
Leftist version: America overthrew the freely elected government of Iran
and installed the Shah who was our puppet.
Truth: Mossadegh had himself declared dictator after abrogating the
Constitution under which he was elected, rather like the way Chavez has
done in Venezuela and Castro did in Cuba and other leftist dictators
have done in other Soviet-inspired takeovers.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
的t takes a truly twisted perspective to see a man who commits private
sins while arguing in public for virtue, and choose to take issue with
the latter."
.
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| User: "IAAH" |
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13 Aug 2007 10:57:12 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:13bsb7vs9qm2l07@corp.supernews.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns998979ABEF661freddybear@216.151.153.45...
"pbamvv@worldonline.nl" <pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in
news:1186840135.241038.316310@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
On 10 aug, 22:30, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070809222839.jzdcwmy8
&show_article=1
US public sees news media as biased, inaccurate, uncaring: poll
Aug 9 06:28 PM US/Eastern
<snip>
You would be wrong. Leftists of every stripe are the most gullible
people in the entire history of the planet. Bar none. They'll believe
anything except the truth.
Example? Like your version and the leftist version?
It's not a question of "my version". The truth is the truth. The leftist
version is anything but.
So when you tell us all about these mysterious weapons
they found in Iraq (that only you appear to know about)
you're not actually telling the truth?
Glad to finally get that out of the way.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: MSM hits new lows in public opinion poll |
13 Aug 2007 01:20:48 PM |
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IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:oaidndzkEtrK4l3bnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:13bsb7vs9qm2l07@corp.supernews.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns998979ABEF661freddybear@216.151.153.45...
"pbamvv@worldonline.nl" <pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in
news:1186840135.241038.316310@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
On 10 aug, 22:30, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070809222839.jzdcwmy8
&show_article=1
US public sees news media as biased, inaccurate, uncaring: poll
Aug 9 06:28 PM US/Eastern
<snip>
You would be wrong. Leftists of every stripe are the most gullible
people in the entire history of the planet. Bar none. They'll
believe anything except the truth.
Example? Like your version and the leftist version?
It's not a question of "my version". The truth is the truth. The
leftist version is anything but.
So when you tell us all about these mysterious weapons
they found in Iraq (that only you appear to know about)
you're not actually telling the truth?
Glad to finally get that out of the way.
Since the leftist version of that is that "nothing" was found, when in
fact lots of WMD-related materiel was found, yes, IAAH, I have been
actually telling the truth.
Bush didn't lie. YOU lie.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
的t takes a truly twisted perspective to see a man who commits private
sins while arguing in public for virtue, and choose to take issue with
the latter."
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| User: "IAAH" |
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13 Aug 2007 03:47:15 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:oaidndzkEtrK4l3bnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:13bsb7vs9qm2l07@corp.supernews.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns998979ABEF661freddybear@216.151.153.45...
"pbamvv@worldonline.nl" <pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in
news:1186840135.241038.316310@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
On 10 aug, 22:30, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070809222839.jzdcwmy8
&show_article=1
US public sees news media as biased, inaccurate, uncaring: poll
Aug 9 06:28 PM US/Eastern
<snip>
You would be wrong. Leftists of every stripe are the most gullible
people in the entire history of the planet. Bar none. They'll
believe anything except the truth.
Example? Like your version and the leftist version?
It's not a question of "my version". The truth is the truth. The
leftist version is anything but.
So when you tell us all about these mysterious weapons
they found in Iraq (that only you appear to know about)
you're not actually telling the truth?
Glad to finally get that out of the way.
Since the leftist version of that is that "nothing" was found, when in
fact lots of WMD-related materiel was found, yes, IAAH, I have been
actually telling the truth.
Bush didn't lie. YOU lie.
Then it should be easy for you to point out all these
weapons, etc. You haven't managed that yet.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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13 Aug 2007 04:11:38 PM |
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IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:8sadnToid-bOXl3bnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:oaidndzkEtrK4l3bnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:13bsb7vs9qm2l07@corp.supernews.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns998979ABEF661freddybear@216.151.153.45...
"pbamvv@worldonline.nl" <pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in
news:1186840135.241038.316310@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
On 10 aug, 22:30, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070809222839.jzdcwmy8
&show_article=1
US public sees news media as biased, inaccurate, uncaring: poll
Aug 9 06:28 PM US/Eastern
<snip>
You would be wrong. Leftists of every stripe are the most
gullible people in the entire history of the planet. Bar none.
They'll believe anything except the truth.
Example? Like your version and the leftist version?
It's not a question of "my version". The truth is the truth. The
leftist version is anything but.
So when you tell us all about these mysterious weapons
they found in Iraq (that only you appear to know about)
you're not actually telling the truth?
Glad to finally get that out of the way.
Since the leftist version of that is that "nothing" was found, when
in fact lots of WMD-related materiel was found, yes, IAAH, I have
been actually telling the truth.
Bush didn't lie. YOU lie.
Then it should be easy for you to point out all these
weapons, etc. You haven't managed that yet.
You putting your hands over your eyes doesn't mean that I didn't do it.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
的t takes a truly twisted perspective to see a man who commits private
sins while arguing in public for virtue, and choose to take issue with
the latter."
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| User: "IAAH" |
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13 Aug 2007 04:12:42 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:8sadnToid-bOXl3bnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:oaidndzkEtrK4l3bnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:13bsb7vs9qm2l07@corp.supernews.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns998979ABEF661freddybear@216.151.153.45...
"pbamvv@worldonline.nl" <pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in
news:1186840135.241038.316310@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
On 10 aug, 22:30, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070809222839.jzdcwmy8
&show_article=1
US public sees news media as biased, inaccurate, uncaring: poll
Aug 9 06:28 PM US/Eastern
<snip>
You would be wrong. Leftists of every stripe are the most
gullible people in the entire history of the planet. Bar none.
They'll believe anything except the truth.
Example? Like your version and the leftist version?
It's not a question of "my version". The truth is the truth. The
leftist version is anything but.
So when you tell us all about these mysterious weapons
they found in Iraq (that only you appear to know about)
you're not actually telling the truth?
Glad to finally get that out of the way.
Since the leftist version of that is that "nothing" was found, when
in fact lots of WMD-related materiel was found, yes, IAAH, I have
been actually telling the truth.
Bush didn't lie. YOU lie.
Then it should be easy for you to point out all these
weapons, etc. You haven't managed that yet.
You putting your hands over your eyes doesn't mean that I didn't do it.
And since you've never managed to show that you've done
it, that's why you get asked.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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14 Aug 2007 08:14:55 AM |
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IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:9f2dndLa94nXVF3bnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:8sadnToid-bOXl3bnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:oaidndzkEtrK4l3bnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:13bsb7vs9qm2l07@corp.supernews.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns998979ABEF661freddybear@216.151.153.45...
"pbamvv@worldonline.nl" <pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in
news:1186840135.241038.316310@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
On 10 aug, 22:30, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070809222839.jzdcwmy8
&show_article=1
US public sees news media as biased, inaccurate, uncaring:
poll
Aug 9 06:28 PM US/Eastern
<snip>
You would be wrong. Leftists of every stripe are the most
gullible people in the entire history of the planet. Bar none.
They'll believe anything except the truth.
Example? Like your version and the leftist version?
It's not a question of "my version". The truth is the truth. The
leftist version is anything but.
So when you tell us all about these mysterious weapons
they found in Iraq (that only you appear to know about)
you're not actually telling the truth?
Glad to finally get that out of the way.
Since the leftist version of that is that "nothing" was found, when
in fact lots of WMD-related materiel was found, yes, IAAH, I have
been actually telling the truth.
Bush didn't lie. YOU lie.
Then it should be easy for you to point out all these
weapons, etc. You haven't managed that yet.
You putting your hands over your eyes doesn't mean that I didn't do
it.
And since you've never managed to show that you've done
it, that's why you get asked.
Since you've never *looked*, that's why I refuse to *continue* to show
you.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
的t takes a truly twisted perspective to see a man who commits private
sins while arguing in public for virtue, and choose to take issue with
the latter."
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: MSM hits new lows in public opinion poll |
13 Aug 2007 11:13:15 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
<snip>
You would be wrong. Leftists of every stripe are the most gullible
people in the entire history of the planet. Bar none. They'll
believe anything except the truth.
Example? Like your version and the leftist version?
It's not a question of "my version". The truth is the truth. The
leftist version is anything but.
Example:
Leftist version: America overthrew the freely elected government of
Iran and installed the Shah who was our puppet.
Truth: Mossadegh had himself declared dictator after abrogating the
Constitution under which he was elected, rather like the way Chavez
has done in Venezuela and Castro did in Cuba and other leftist
dictators have done in other Soviet-inspired takeovers.
Naturally presenting information to the contrary, even if it was a balanced
report would not be acceptable to Fred.
But as long as he continues to gloat over the death of innocent people and
say they deserve to die we can know that he would be much happier with the
Saddams of the world.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: MSM hits new lows in public opinion poll |
14 Aug 2007 08:16:26 AM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:ZW9wi.1099$4w7.676@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
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You would be wrong. Leftists of every stripe are the most gullible
people in the entire history of the planet. Bar none. They'll
believe anything except the truth.
Example? Like your version and the leftist version?
It's not a question of "my version". The truth is the truth. The
leftist version is anything but.
Example:
Leftist version: America overthrew the freely elected government of
Iran and installed the Shah who was our puppet.
Truth: Mossadegh had himself declared dictator after abrogating the
Constitution under which he was elected, rather like the way Chavez
has done in Venezuela and Castro did in Cuba and other leftist
dictators have done in other Soviet-inspired takeovers.
Naturally presenting information to the contrary, even if it was a
balanced report would not be acceptable to Fred.
If you have credible information to the contrary, bring it out.
But as long as he continues to gloat over the death of innocent people
and say they deserve to die we can know that he would be much happier
with the Saddams of the world.
Yes, Mike, I'm much happier with the Saddams of the world. Dead. Just
like he is.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
的t takes a truly twisted perspective to see a man who commits private
sins while arguing in public for virtue, and choose to take issue with
the latter."
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| User: "G-Ride" |
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| Title: Re: MSM hits new lows in public opinion poll |
13 Aug 2007 06:50:20 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns998979ABEF661freddybear@216.151.153.45...
"pbamvv@worldonline.nl" <pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in
news:1186840135.241038.316310@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
On 10 aug, 22:30, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070809222839.jzdcwmy8
&show_article=1
US public sees news media as biased, inaccurate, uncaring: poll
Aug 9 06:28 PM US/Eastern
More than half of Americans say US news organizations are politically
biased, inaccurate, and don't care about the people they report on, a
poll published Thursday showed.
And poll respondents who use the Internet as their main source of
news -- roughly one quarter of all Americans -- were even harsher
with their criticism, the poll conducted by the Pew Research Center
said.
More than two-thirds of the Internet users said they felt that news
organizations don't care about the people they report on; 59 percent
said their reporting was inaccurate; and 64 percent they were
politically biased.
More than half -- 53 percent -- of Internet users also faulted the
news organizations for "failing to stand up for America".
Among those who get their news from newspapers and television,
criticism of the news organizations was up to 20 percentage points
lower than among Internet news audiences, who tend to be younger and
better educated than the public as a whole, according to Pew.
The poll indicates an across the board fall in the public's opinion
on the news media since 1985, when a similar survey was conducted by
Times Mirror, Pew Research said.
"Two decades ago, public attitudes about how news organizations do
their job were less negative. Most people believed that news
organizations stood up for America... a majority believed that news
organizations got the facts straight," Pew said in a report.
The Washington-based Pew Research Center describes itself as a
nonpartisan "fact tank" that provides information on the issues,
attitudes and trends shaping America and the world.
As a foreigner, I would say that "standing up for America"
is politically byassed:)
"Refusing to stand up for America" is biased too. America isn't always
wrong. There aren't two sides to every story.
So why is it that you classify anything in the news that doesn't support
your little Iraq misadventure as 'treasonous'?
The press is not supposed to cheerlead. They are supposed to report.
I also would say that two decades ago most people were more gullable:)
You would be wrong. Leftists of every stripe are the most gullible
people in the entire history of the planet. Bar none. They'll believe
anything except the truth.
LOL! Fred, you're the most gullible buffoon in a.a.
Does the kool-aid burn when it hits your vein?
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Aloha, G-Ride
The force that's forcing you to feel like busting up a Starbucks.
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| User: "" |
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12 Aug 2007 05:54:02 AM |
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On 11 aug, 17:56, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl> wrote innews:1186840135.241038.316310@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
On 10 aug, 22:30, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070809222839.jzdcwmy8
&show_article=1
US public sees news media as biased, inaccurate, uncaring: poll
Aug 9 06:28 PM US/Eastern
More than half of Americans say US news organizations are politically
biased, inaccurate, and don't care about the people they report on, a
poll published Thursday showed.
And poll respondents who use the Internet as their main source of
news -- roughly one quarter of all Americans -- were even harsher
with their criticism, the poll conducted by the Pew Research Center
said.
More than two-thirds of the Internet users said they felt that news
organizations don't care about the people they report on; 59 percent
said their reporting was inaccurate; and 64 percent they were
politically biased.
More than half -- 53 percent -- of Internet users also faulted the
news organizations for "failing to stand up for America".
Among those who get their news from newspapers and television,
criticism of the news organizations was up to 20 percentage points
lower than among Internet news audiences, who tend to be younger and
better educated than the public as a whole, according to Pew.
The poll indicates an across the board fall in the public's opinion
on the news media since 1985, when a similar survey was conducted by
Times Mirror, Pew Research said.
"Two decades ago, public attitudes about how news organizations do
their job were less negative. Most people believed that news
organizations stood up for America... a majority believed that news
organizations got the facts straight," Pew said in a report.
The Washington-based Pew Research Center describes itself as a
nonpartisan "fact tank" that provides information on the issues,
attitudes and trends shaping America and the world.
As a foreigner, I would say that "standing up for America"
is politically byassed:)
"Refusing to stand up for America" is biased too. America isn't always
wrong. There aren't two sides to every story.
I also would say that two decades ago most people were more gullable:)
You would be wrong. Leftists of every stripe are the most gullible
people in the entire history of the planet. Bar none. They'll believe
anything except the truth.
Peter van Velzen
August 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
"It makes a truly twisted perspective to see an atheist use the word
sin, and even more if one thinks their is anyone fully practicing all
the virtues (s)he supports in public"
"sin" is a convenient abbreviation for "immoral or unethical behavior".
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
You didn't address the second part, did you ?
anyway
Leftist - in general - are people who tend to take the side of the
poor
That is not a believe in anything true or untrue
it is just a stand they take.
Yang believes some things that you also believe
he just has different priorities
I differ in opinion with both of you
in respect to the respect you two owe each other.
Finally "refusing" to step up for America does not need to involve any
byass.
standing up for anything is byassed.
some byasses are really recommandable
Mine byass is against hatred,
an I consider that a good thing.
The only times I stand up for America
is when people hate it.
The only thing I am not byassed in,
is that I do not think my byasses are universal,
or even should be universal.
Peter van Velzen
August 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: MSM hits new lows in public opinion poll |
13 Aug 2007 10:26:31 AM |
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"pbamvv@worldonline.nl" <pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in
news:1186916042.624368.234560@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
On 11 aug, 17:56, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl> wrote
innews:1186840135.241038.316310@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
On 10 aug, 22:30, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070809222839.jzdcwmy8
&show_article=1
US public sees news media as biased, inaccurate, uncaring: poll
Aug 9 06:28 PM US/Eastern
More than half of Americans say US news organizations are
politically biased, inaccurate, and don't care about the people
they report on, a poll published Thursday showed.
And poll respondents who use the Internet as their main source of
news -- roughly one quarter of all Americans -- were even harsher
with their criticism, the poll conducted by the Pew Research
Center said.
More than two-thirds of the Internet users said they felt that
news organizations don't care about the people they report on; 59
percent said their reporting was inaccurate; and 64 percent they
were politically biased.
More than half -- 53 percent -- of Internet users also faulted the
news organizations for "failing to stand up for America".
Among those who get their news from newspapers and television,
criticism of the news organizations was up to 20 percentage points
lower than among Internet news audiences, who tend to be younger
and better educated than the public as a whole, according to Pew.
The poll indicates an across the board fall in the public's
opinion on the news media since 1985, when a similar survey was
conducted by Times Mirror, Pew Research said.
"Two decades ago, public attitudes about how news organizations do
their job were less negative. Most people believed that news
organizations stood up for America... a majority believed that
news organizations got the facts straight," Pew said in a report.
The Washington-based Pew Research Center describes itself as a
nonpartisan "fact tank" that provides information on the issues,
attitudes and trends shaping America and the world.
As a foreigner, I would say that "standing up for America"
is politically byassed:)
"Refusing to stand up for America" is biased too. America isn't
always wrong. There aren't two sides to every story.
I also would say that two decades ago most people were more
gullable:)
You would be wrong. Leftists of every stripe are the most gullible
people in the entire history of the planet. Bar none. They'll believe
anything except the truth.
"It makes a truly twisted perspective to see an atheist use the
word sin, and even more if one thinks their is anyone fully
practicing all the virtues (s)he supports in public"
"sin" is a convenient abbreviation for "immoral or unethical
behavior".
You didn't address the second part, did you ?
Do I have to? Nobody is perfect.
anyway
Leftist - in general - are people who tend to take the side of the
poor That is not a believe in anything true or untrue
it is just a stand they take.
That's what they say, but their actions often end up making the
situation of the poor worse in the long run.
Yang believes some things that you also believe
he just has different priorities
It's just that all his priorities are wrong. ;)
I differ in opinion with both of you
in respect to the respect you two owe each other.
I owe him as much as he gives me.
Finally "refusing" to step up for America does not need to involve any
byass.
It does if you're an American.
standing up for anything is byassed.
some byasses are really recommandable
Mine byass is against hatred,
an I consider that a good thing.
The only times I stand up for America
is when people hate it.
I wouldn't expect you to stand up for America. You're not American.
I would expect you to stand up for your own country.
I would only ask that you not be biased *against* America.
The only thing I am not byassed in,
is that I do not think my byasses are universal,
or even should be universal.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
的t takes a truly twisted perspective to see a man who commits private
sins while arguing in public for virtue, and choose to take issue with
the latter."
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: MSM hits new lows in public opinion poll |
12 Aug 2007 06:18:52 PM |
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On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 03:54:02 -0700, wrote:
Finally "refusing" to step up for America does not need to involve any
byass.
standing up for anything is byassed.
some byasses are really recommandable Mine byass is against hatred,
an I consider that a good thing.
Not trying to embarass you here but do you mean "bias"? "Byass" reads,
um, a little, ahem, funny. <g>
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"What the hell is an aluminum Falcon?"
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| User: "Eris" |
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13 Aug 2007 06:52:54 PM |
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