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05 Feb 2006 01:19:17 AM |
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Muslim kook outburst over cartoons = beginning of WWIII? |
I sure hope not, but they're getting restless over there.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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05 Feb 2006 02:47:19 AM |
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On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:19:17 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
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I sure hope not, but they're getting restless over there.
They want an apology. OK, fine. We'll paint "I'm sorry" on the side of
a couple of tactical nukes.
<just kidding>
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| User: "Rune B" |
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05 Feb 2006 06:05:56 AM |
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:47:19 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
I sure hope not, but they're getting restless over there.
They want an apology. OK, fine. We'll paint "I'm sorry" on the side of
a couple of tactical nukes.
They've received apologies, they've received explanations... they WANT
conflict.
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| User: "Gail Futoran" |
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| Title: Re: Muslim kook outburst over cartoons = beginning of WWIII? |
05 Feb 2006 11:17:56 AM |
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"Rune B" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:egqbu11nq4bin173avridbahs1b3smq4g3@4ax.com...
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:47:19 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
I sure hope not, but they're getting restless over there.
They want an apology. OK, fine. We'll paint "I'm sorry" on the side of
a couple of tactical nukes.
They've received apologies, they've received explanations... they WANT
conflict.
They want to completely replace Western
values with their own.
Gail
aa#2247
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Muslim kook outburst over cartoons = beginning of WWIII? |
05 Feb 2006 11:35:10 AM |
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Gail Futoran wrote:
"Rune B" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:egqbu11nq4bin173avridbahs1b3smq4g3@4ax.com...
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:47:19 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
I sure hope not, but they're getting restless over there.
They want an apology. OK, fine. We'll paint "I'm sorry" on the side of
a couple of tactical nukes.
They've received apologies, they've received explanations... they WANT
conflict.
They want to completely replace Western
values with their own.
atheists and islamists are both pawns of SATAN, together they will
bring about the apocalypse, atheists are responsible for instigating
this war against the fake islamic religion, as is atheism a fake
religion as well, so they are both guilty in the eyes of the one TRUE
GOD and they will all be punished for it.
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| User: "Rune B" |
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| Title: Re: Muslim kook outburst over cartoons = beginning of WWIII? |
05 Feb 2006 11:38:19 AM |
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:17:56 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
<futoran@nospam.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
They want to completely replace Western
values with their own.
Both islam and christianity have as one of their main goals to "go
forth and make all people god's people" or some crap like that.
Muslims seem to take it more seriously, and where christians use
missionaries and come ring your doorbell, islam often uses violence
and cohersion.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Muslim kook outburst over cartoons = beginning of WWIII? |
05 Feb 2006 12:26:06 PM |
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Rune B wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:17:56 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
<futoran@nospam.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
They want to completely replace Western
values with their own.
Both islam and christianity have as one of their main goals to "go
forth and make all people god's people" or some crap like that.
Muslims seem to take it more seriously, and where christians use
missionaries and come ring your doorbell, islam often uses violence
and cohersion.
Thing is, Christianity lost it's dominating influence on politics during
the time period we call correctly 'enlightenment'. We had horrible
setbacks, like Nazi-Germany. After Europe was burnt to the ground,
again, because of that fanatic ideology, people looked and realized that
this is not the way to go in the future. 60 Years after WWII the
overwhelming majority of Christians looks around their society and
realize 'THIS IS BETTER!' Perhaps they have do accept being mocked by
cartoonists and comedy troops, but they are willing to accept this as
price for their freedom.
Islam never changed. And it is unwilling to change. It is not even
willing to accept that there may be something beyond their religion.
j.m.
#1491
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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05 Feb 2006 08:28:06 AM |
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In <egqbu11nq4bin173avridbahs1b3smq4g3@4ax.com>, Rune B
<nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:47:19 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
I sure hope not, but they're getting restless over there.
They want an apology. OK, fine. We'll paint "I'm sorry" on the side of a
couple of tactical nukes.
They've received apologies, they've received explanations... they WANT
conflict.
There are people on both sides salivating for conflict. Unfortunately,
they're trying to drag the rest of us along for the ride.
Though, I tell you, on this issue, my response to the ever-so-offended
Muslims is "You know what? Stuff it."
A group that is so prone to passing around things like "Elders of Zion" as
non-fiction is in *no position to talk about respecting others...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Katrina aftermath pictures
http://www.nola.com/katrinaphotos/user/
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http://www.nola.com
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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05 Feb 2006 11:01:00 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <egqbu11nq4bin173avridbahs1b3smq4g3@4ax.com>, Rune B
<nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:47:19 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
I sure hope not, but they're getting restless over there.
They want an apology. OK, fine. We'll paint "I'm sorry" on the side of
a couple of tactical nukes.
They've received apologies, they've received explanations... they WANT
conflict.
There are people on both sides salivating for conflict. Unfortunately,
they're trying to drag the rest of us along for the ride.
Though, I tell you, on this issue, my response to the ever-so-offended
Muslims is "You know what? Stuff it."
A group that is so prone to passing around things like "Elders of Zion"
as non-fiction is in *no position to talk about respecting others...
Let us never forget that it Was Moslems, the Turks, that invented the
modern notion of genocide. Today they still have a problem with
admitting, it, much less dealing with that fact.
Islamic Turks tried to kill all the Christian Armenians.
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The first law of the false prophet has
always and ever been "Don't laugh!"
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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06 Feb 2006 06:55:14 AM |
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:01:00 -0600, wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
Let us never forget that it Was Moslems, the Turks, that invented the
modern notion of genocide. Today they still have a problem with
admitting, it, much less dealing with that fact.
I'm afraid that is not correct. The Romans were very efficient about
it, and the Assyrians before them. Even the mongols had a serious
attempt to break the world record.
Islamic Turks tried to kill all the Christian Armenians.
True. But also don't forget it was in Constantinople where all
religions lived in peace and acceptance when jews wore funny caps and
badges in most of Europe. A Europe where one was either protestant (if
your king choose that religion) or catholic (if your ruler preferred
that religion).
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| User: "Rune B" |
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05 Feb 2006 12:04:08 PM |
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:28:06 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Though, I tell you, on this issue, my response to the ever-so-offended
Muslims is "You know what? Stuff it."
What I really deplore is so-called "cultural relativism" which we hear
a lot about in europe. How everybody's culture is really equally nice,
just as valuable etc. We have "apologetics" who continually make
exuses for extremists and fundamentalists under the guise that all
white people are racists etc. but it just doesn't jive anymore...
people used to be so afraid of being branded racists they would back
off and let the fundies win, time and again. That time is now surely
over. And that is the good thing that will come from this.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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05 Feb 2006 11:38:45 PM |
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:05:56 +0100, Rune B <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:47:19 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
I sure hope not, but they're getting restless over there.
They want an apology. OK, fine. We'll paint "I'm sorry" on the side of
a couple of tactical nukes.
They've received apologies, they've received explanations... they WANT
conflict.
I would prefer they not get what they want, if that's the case. But
kissing their bums isn't the answer either.
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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06 Feb 2006 12:01:07 AM |
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John Baker wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:05:56 +0100, Rune B <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:47:19 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
I sure hope not, but they're getting restless over there.
They want an apology. OK, fine. We'll paint "I'm sorry" on the side of
a couple of tactical nukes.
They've received apologies, they've received explanations... they WANT
conflict.
I would prefer they not get what they want, if that's the case. But
kissing their bums isn't the answer either.
The problem with conflict is, if one side wants it, eventually it's
going to get it. There's no negotiating with people that burn
embassies, and cutting them off is only going to exascerbate the
situation. As much as I dislike it, I'll be very surprised if this
doesn't come to a military confrontation.
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| User: "Niels" |
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05 Feb 2006 01:49:23 PM |
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On Sunday 05 February 2006 13:05, Rune B wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:47:19 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
I sure hope not, but they're getting restless over there.
They want an apology. OK, fine. We'll paint "I'm sorry" on the side of
a couple of tactical nukes.
They've received apologies, they've received explanations... they WANT
conflict.
Some do. Some will do whatever they're told. And a lot are decent people,
let's not forget that. And this goes for any religion or large group of
people in fact.
In Denmark many muslims are publically opposed to the imams, in particular
we have muslim members of parliament who have been saying that if certain
muslims don't like Denmark, they should leave.
Certainly some people are looking for a fight, I suggest we make sure we're
not those people.
//Niels
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| User: "Niels" |
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05 Feb 2006 06:45:45 AM |
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On Sunday 05 February 2006 13:05, Rune B wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:47:19 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
I sure hope not, but they're getting restless over there.
They want an apology. OK, fine. We'll paint "I'm sorry" on the side of
a couple of tactical nukes.
They've received apologies, they've received explanations... they WANT
conflict.
Some do. Some will do whatever they're told. And a lot are decent people,
let's not forget that. And this goes for any religion or large group of
people in fact.
In Denmark many muslims are publically opposed to the imans, in particular
we have muslim members of parliament who have been saying that if certain
muslims don't like Denmark, they should leave.
Certainly some people are looking for a fight, I suggest we make sure we're
not those people.
//Niels
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| User: "DS" |
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05 Feb 2006 06:35:22 AM |
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totally agree!
western politics prefer to stay in denial and avoid facing the threat
growing in their backyard.
Will they stand up for their Freedom? Will they protect vigorously
their values and beliefs?
I think tollerance is great if it is mutual. One way tollerance is a
sure way to ones destruction - you end up tollerating obvious threats.
Rune B wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:47:19 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
I sure hope not, but they're getting restless over there.
They want an apology. OK, fine. We'll paint "I'm sorry" on the side of
a couple of tactical nukes.
They've received apologies, they've received explanations... they WANT
conflict.
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| User: "Rune B" |
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05 Feb 2006 06:54:36 AM |
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On 5 Feb 2006 04:35:22 -0800, "DS" <dennis.storm@googlemail.com>
wrote:
western politics prefer to stay in denial and avoid facing the threat
growing in their backyard.
Will they stand up for their Freedom? Will they protect vigorously
their values and beliefs?
I think tollerance is great if it is mutual. One way tollerance is a
sure way to ones destruction - you end up tollerating obvious threats.
It's the european stance of noninvolvement that has let this thing
slide out of hand. Extremists will always push the bar as far as they
can, until someone pushes back. Europe should have pushed back and
exposed these radicals long ago, otherwise our 'wakeup call' is going
to be a lot more serious than 9/11 which was perpetrated by only 20-30
people. In europe we have some 30 million muslims. I don't think it's
unreasonable to assume that 1 in a million of them could be a Mohammed
Atta.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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05 Feb 2006 08:30:18 AM |
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In <r8tbu1t1s4nro6gip8o1371vmfligi9nhl@4ax.com>, Rune B
<nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:
On 5 Feb 2006 04:35:22 -0800, "DS" <dennis.storm@googlemail.com> wrote:
western politics prefer to stay in denial and avoid facing the threat
growing in their backyard.
Will they stand up for their Freedom? Will they protect vigorously their
values and beliefs?
I think tollerance is great if it is mutual. One way tollerance is a sure
way to ones destruction - you end up tollerating obvious threats.
It's the european stance of noninvolvement that has let this thing slide
out of hand. Extremists will always push the bar as far as they can, until
someone pushes back. Europe should have pushed back and exposed these
radicals long ago, otherwise our 'wakeup call' is going to be a lot more
serious than 9/11 which was perpetrated by only 20-30 people. In europe we
have some 30 million muslims. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume
that 1 in a million of them could be a Mohammed Atta.
That's one of the disturbing aspects. There's tolerance and then there's
being a door mat. I'd hate to see it pushed to a serious conflict and
don't think most Muslims want to see that. Either way, there does come a
time to say "if you don't like secular democracy, what the ***** are you
still here for?"
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Katrina aftermath pictures
http://www.nola.com/katrinaphotos/user/
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Rune B" |
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05 Feb 2006 12:01:45 PM |
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:30:18 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
That's one of the disturbing aspects. There's tolerance and then there's
being a door mat. I'd hate to see it pushed to a serious conflict and
don't think most Muslims want to see that. Either way, there does come a
time to say "if you don't like secular democracy, what the ***** are you
still here for?"
The french were some of the biggest doormats in europe... we all see
how that went. Little by little, incident by incident, people are
realizing how many cooks there are in the islamic ranks.
And yeah, I totally agree... why would you move to a country you hate,
with a culture and a people you hate, you consider immoral etc. unless
you were there to
A) Exploit
B) Colonize & spread 'the word'
C) Both of the above
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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06 Feb 2006 06:55:14 AM |
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:30:18 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
It's the european stance of noninvolvement that has let this thing slide
out of hand. Extremists will always push the bar as far as they can, until
someone pushes back. Europe should have pushed back and exposed these
radicals long ago, otherwise our 'wakeup call' is going to be a lot more
serious than 9/11 which was perpetrated by only 20-30 people. In europe we
have some 30 million muslims. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume
that 1 in a million of them could be a Mohammed Atta.
That's one of the disturbing aspects. There's tolerance and then there's
being a door mat. I'd hate to see it pushed to a serious conflict and
don't think most Muslims want to see that. Either way, there does come a
time to say "if you don't like secular democracy, what the ***** are you
still here for?"
You have no idea how strong this 'multicultural society' thingy is
rammed through European throats. Newspapers in Holland are forbidden
(by means of voluntary censorship) to report incidents that involve
ethnical minorities.
Last year a few moroccan youths attacked an American tourist. Reason:
he was gay. In Amsterdam, no less. It took this guy quite some effort
to file a complaint with the police, and no effort at all to write
that Amsterdam is now AYOR (At Your Own Risk; an abbreviation used in
gay travel books that a place is dangerous.) This cost Amsterdam a few
millions in lost business revenue.
Worse news: The EU feels the need to expand. No matter what. We have
reached the geographical borders of (Western) Europe. Who is next?
Turkey is lining up like a worn out ***** trolling for business. Few
EU citizens want Turkey to join, but that doesn't bother the EU
government even less than GW Bush worries about war sentiments in his
yard.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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08 Feb 2006 08:35:27 AM |
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In <v9eeu199pqbrsc0lblkuugk9n9334jslgn@4ax.com>, Jos Flachs
<xwcruise@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:30:18 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
It's the european stance of noninvolvement that has let this thing
slide out of hand. Extremists will always push the bar as far as they
can, until someone pushes back. Europe should have pushed back and
exposed these radicals long ago, otherwise our 'wakeup call' is going
to be a lot more serious than 9/11 which was perpetrated by only 20-30
people. In europe we have some 30 million muslims. I don't think it's
unreasonable to assume that 1 in a million of them could be a Mohammed
Atta.
That's one of the disturbing aspects. There's tolerance and then there's
being a door mat. I'd hate to see it pushed to a serious conflict and
don't think most Muslims want to see that. Either way, there does come a
time to say "if you don't like secular democracy, what the ***** are you
still here for?"
You have no idea how strong this 'multicultural society' thingy is rammed
through European throats. Newspapers in Holland are forbidden (by means of
voluntary censorship) to report incidents that involve ethnical
minorities.
Last year a few moroccan youths attacked an American tourist. Reason: he
was gay. In Amsterdam, no less. It took this guy quite some effort to file
a complaint with the police, and no effort at all to write that Amsterdam
is now AYOR (At Your Own Risk; an abbreviation used in gay travel books
that a place is dangerous.) This cost Amsterdam a few millions in lost
business revenue.
Worse news: The EU feels the need to expand. No matter what. We have
reached the geographical borders of (Western) Europe. Who is next? Turkey
is lining up like a worn out ***** trolling for business. Few EU citizens
want Turkey to join, but that doesn't bother the EU government even less
than GW Bush worries about war sentiments in his yard.
This is what happens when you let politicians run things.
The depressing thing is watching an actually useful concept
("multiculturalism") being abused. The idea that cultures can live
together without beating on each other is a *good thing. But for anybody
to get along, there have to be some basic rules that apply universally.
Like "don't beat up your neighbor already!"
You know, one thing I liked about Los Angeles--which has its warts are
they are legion--is the crazy quilt of cultures. The city I lived in was
majority Latin (at about 52% last I saw, whites were about 30%). We were
"bracketed" by Asian Indians (mostly to the South but they were starting
to settle to the North). Little Saigon was nearby and there were a lot of
Korean signs in my neighborhood. But somehow people managed to generally
get along. Or at least not crap on each other on a regular basis. <g>
Even the riot back in '91 was an upshot of long standing, US white/US
black issues. You weren't seeing, say, the Muslims attacking the Jewish
community.
Though he was talking about religion, I think Madison put it best.
Governments should not be cognizant of these things (race, religion,
culture, ethnicity, etc.) *except so far as necessary to keep the peace.
It does bother me that the EU technocrats are forging ahead into new
territory before current changes can be assimilated and dealt with. If
they keep it up, they're going to discredit the whole push to unify
Europe. Already we've seen a backlash against the constitution they
presented (and what a piece of work *that was... sheesh).
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Katrina aftermath pictures
http://www.nola.com/katrinaphotos/user/
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "" |
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05 Feb 2006 12:15:07 PM |
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Rune B wrote:
On 5 Feb 2006 04:35:22 -0800, "DS" <dennis.storm@googlemail.com>
wrote:
western politics prefer to stay in denial and avoid facing the threat
growing in their backyard.
Will they stand up for their Freedom? Will they protect vigorously
their values and beliefs?
I think tollerance is great if it is mutual. One way tollerance is a
sure way to ones destruction - you end up tollerating obvious threats.
It's the european stance of noninvolvement that has let this thing
slide out of hand. Extremists will always push the bar as far as they
can, until someone pushes back. Europe should have pushed back and
exposed these radicals long ago, otherwise our 'wakeup call' is going
to be a lot more serious than 9/11 which was perpetrated by only 20-30
people. In europe we have some 30 million muslims. I don't think it's
unreasonable to assume that 1 in a million of them could be a Mohammed
Atta.
If you look at where most of the 9/11 hijackers spent the years before
the attack, you'll find that the first set of this 'one-in-a-million'
terrorists already had their great day.
j.m.
#1491
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