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"J Young" |
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29 Jul 2005 02:59:49 PM |
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Muslim scholars decry terror |
American-Muslim scholars issue a fatwa. Is there any document on this
earth with less credibility or influence? These must be the muslims who
voted Republican.
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Muslim scholars decry terror
An influential body of Muslim scholars condemned terrorism and
extremism Thursday in response to recent terrorist acts in London and
Egypt and issued a statement endorsed by more than 120 U.S. Muslim
organizations.
"Islam strictly condemns religious extremism and the use of violence
against innocent lives," said the fatwa, or legal opinion, issued by
the 18-member Fiqh Council of North America. "There is no justification
in Islam for extremism or terrorism."
The key to effecting change among extremists, said Taylor, is to get
Muslim clerics who are respected around the world, such as Sheikh Yusuf
al-Qaradawi of Egypt, to endorse the anti-terror message. Since
America's estimated 2.5 to 6 million Muslims make up only a tiny
percentage of the world's 1.25 billion Muslims, a fatwa issued by U.S.
clerics will probably not have much worldwide influence.
"It will have virtually no impact on a number of hard-line extremist
Muslims in this country and outside of this country who do not respect
the authority of these organizations," he said.
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29 Jul 2005 03:33:31 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> said:
American-Muslim scholars issue a fatwa. Is there any document on this
earth with less credibility or influence? These must be the muslims who
voted Republican.
It can be entirely credible. But the scholars have authority over only
those who profess them to be their followers, if the news reports I
read are accurate.
Jim07D5
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| User: "Hey Gyra" |
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29 Jul 2005 04:35:45 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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American-Muslim scholars issue a fatwa. Is there any document on this
earth with less credibility or influence? These must be the muslims who
voted Republican.
Nobody believes their whines anyway. The Meccamonks are getting paranoid
because they know the next 9/11 will result in their deportation or
indefinite confinement behind razor wire. If they knew what was good for
them they'd leave the U.S. while they still had the chance ---
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| User: "gaffo" |
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29 Jul 2005 07:14:19 PM |
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Hey Gyra wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1122667189.848984.130010@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
American-Muslim scholars issue a fatwa. Is there any document on this
earth with less credibility or influence? These must be the muslims who
voted Republican.
Nobody believes their whines anyway. The Meccamonks are getting paranoid
because they know the next 9/11 will result in their deportation or
indefinite confinement behind razor wire. If they knew what was good for
them they'd leave the U.S. while they still had the chance ---
himmler? is that you? you have the cattlecars ready?
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Jurors should acquit, even against the judge's instruction...if
exercising their judgement with discretion and honesty they have a clear
conviction that the charge of the court is wrong.
Alexander Hamilton, 1804
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| User: "Hey Gyra" |
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29 Jul 2005 09:32:53 PM |
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"gaffo" <gaffo@usenet.net> wrote in message
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himmler? is that you? you have the cattlecars ready?
Closed military bases from the Cold War will suffice until the gas chambers
and crematoria are completed [sarcasm].
As for the Muslim threats in the Mideast, you won't hear me complain if the
Israelis nuke Damascus or Tehran. It'd certainly save us the hassle of
doing so ---
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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30 Jul 2005 08:37:40 AM |
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Hey Gyra wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1122667189.848984.130010@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
American-Muslim scholars issue a fatwa. Is there any document on this
earth with less credibility or influence? These must be the muslims who
voted Republican.
Nobody believes their whines anyway. The Meccamonks are getting paranoid
because they know the next 9/11 will result in their deportation or
indefinite confinement behind razor wire. If they knew what was good for
them they'd leave the U.S. while they still had the chance ---
himmler? is that you? you have the cattlecars ready?
No but in my country his statements would be very close to becoming
legal matters.
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Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
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Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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30 Jul 2005 08:35:48 AM |
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:35:45 -0700 the ET form known as Hey
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1122667189.848984.130010@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
American-Muslim scholars issue a fatwa. Is there any document on this
earth with less credibility or influence? These must be the muslims who
voted Republican.
Nobody believes their whines anyway. The Meccamonks are getting paranoid
because they know the next 9/11 will result in their deportation or
indefinite confinement behind razor wire. If they knew what was good for
them they'd leave the U.S. while they still had the chance ---
Sounds like a threat. I can imagine someone in big heavy boots and a
menacing look in his eyes saying to a Jew "If you knew what was good
for you you'd leave Germany while they still had the chance".
--
Remove YOUR_SHOES before replying
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
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| User: "Hey Gyra" |
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30 Jul 2005 09:02:59 AM |
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"Meteorite Debris" <epicurus1@YOUR_SHOESoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:35:45 -0700 the ET form known as Hey
Gyra<turn_mosques_into_titty_b@rs.com> sent a radio signal across the
vast expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1122667189.848984.130010@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
American-Muslim scholars issue a fatwa. Is there any document on this
earth with less credibility or influence? These must be the muslims
who
voted Republican.
Nobody believes their whines anyway. The Meccamonks are getting
paranoid
because they know the next 9/11 will result in their deportation or
indefinite confinement behind razor wire. If they knew what was good
for
them they'd leave the U.S. while they still had the chance ---
Sounds like a threat. I can imagine someone in big heavy boots and a
menacing look in his eyes saying to a Jew "If you knew what was good
for you you'd leave Germany while they still had the chance".
Jews weren't setting off car bombs, hijacking airliners, hollering *death to
the infidel* 24/7, and embarking on *martyr missions,* dipshit. You'll come
to your senses after a few more Bali bombings and maybe an all-Aussie 9/11
or two. No doubt the ragheads would look upon the Sydney Opera House as a
*symbolic target.*
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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31 Jul 2005 05:42:55 AM |
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"Meteorite Debris" <epicurus1@YOUR_SHOESoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:35:45 -0700 the ET form known as Hey
Gyra<turn_mosques_into_titty_b@rs.com> sent a radio signal across the
vast expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1122667189.848984.130010@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
American-Muslim scholars issue a fatwa. Is there any document on this
earth with less credibility or influence? These must be the muslims who
voted Republican.
Nobody believes their whines anyway. The Meccamonks are getting paranoid
because they know the next 9/11 will result in their deportation or
indefinite confinement behind razor wire. If they knew what was good for
them they'd leave the U.S. while they still had the chance ---
Sounds like a threat. I can imagine someone in big heavy boots and a
menacing look in his eyes saying to a Jew "If you knew what was good
for you you'd leave Germany while they still had the chance".
While you are correct, I sense that he is mostly lashing out in fristration
against terrorism, not against Muslims, per se.
Susan
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apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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29 Jul 2005 06:09:48 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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(snip)
"Islam strictly condemns religious extremism and the use of violence
against innocent lives," said the fatwa, or legal opinion, issued by
the 18-member Fiqh Council of North America. "There is no justification
in Islam for extremism or terrorism."
(snip)
EVERY religion provides moral justification for anything its followers want
to do. Religions are all about thinking that you're right, and if you think
you're right, what WOULDN'T you do?
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "bam" |
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29 Jul 2005 08:28:26 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote
Religions are all about thinking that you're right, and if you think
you're right, what WOULDN'T you do?
And if you believed there were no God, and no afterlife, what WOULDN'T you
do?
BAM
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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30 Jul 2005 12:29:47 AM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote
Religions are all about thinking that you're right, and if you think
you're right, what WOULDN'T you do?
And if you believed there were no God, and no afterlife, what WOULDN'T you
do?
Anything that would put that one and only life, and the lives of those
around me, at risk.
So, I graciously answered your question. Will you be polite and return the
favor and answer mine now?
If you believe you cannot be wrong about your religion, then what would you
not do if you believed your god commanded it?
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "bam" |
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30 Jul 2005 07:32:52 AM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote
Religions are all about thinking that you're right, and if you think
you're right, what WOULDN'T you do?
And if you believed there were no God, and no afterlife, what WOULDN'T
you do?
Anything that would put that one and only life, and the lives of those
around me, at risk.
So, I graciously answered your question. Will you be polite and return the
favor and answer mine now?
Sure. It was such an easy question I thought it was rhetorical. If I thought
I was right, I wouldn't do anything that I believe God forbade. What
possible other answer could there be?
BAM
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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30 Jul 2005 11:55:52 AM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote
Religions are all about thinking that you're right, and if you think
you're right, what WOULDN'T you do?
And if you believed there were no God, and no afterlife, what WOULDN'T
you do?
Anything that would put that one and only life, and the lives of those
around me, at risk.
So, I graciously answered your question. Will you be polite and return
the favor and answer mine now?
Sure. It was such an easy question I thought it was rhetorical. If I
thought I was right, I wouldn't do anything that I believe God forbade.
What possible other answer could there be?
That's what I expected. Basically you would do ANYTHING you believed the god
told you to.
There would be no atrocity big enough for you to refuse if you believed the
god commanded it.
Wonderful.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "bam" |
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30 Jul 2005 06:47:24 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote
Religions are all about thinking that you're right, and if you think
you're right, what WOULDN'T you do?
And if you believed there were no God, and no afterlife, what WOULDN'T
you do?
Anything that would put that one and only life, and the lives of those
around me, at risk.
So, I graciously answered your question. Will you be polite and return
the favor and answer mine now?
Sure. It was such an easy question I thought it was rhetorical. If I
thought I was right, I wouldn't do anything that I believe God forbade.
What possible other answer could there be?
That's what I expected. Basically you would do ANYTHING you believed the
god told you to.
Yep. And you would also do anything you believed was right. Who wouldn't but
a coward?
There would be no atrocity big enough for you to refuse if you believed
the god commanded it.
Wonderful.
Suit yourself - it's your world.
BAM
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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30 Jul 2005 07:30:55 PM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote
Religions are all about thinking that you're right, and if you think
you're right, what WOULDN'T you do?
And if you believed there were no God, and no afterlife, what WOULDN'T
you do?
Anything that would put that one and only life, and the lives of those
around me, at risk.
So, I graciously answered your question. Will you be polite and return
the favor and answer mine now?
Sure. It was such an easy question I thought it was rhetorical. If I
thought I was right, I wouldn't do anything that I believe God forbade.
What possible other answer could there be?
That's what I expected. Basically you would do ANYTHING you believed the
god told you to.
Yep. And you would also do anything you believed was right. Who wouldn't
but a coward?
Ah, but I'm allowed to QUESTION what I believe is right.
You, on the other hand, have to obey without question.
There would be no atrocity big enough for you to refuse if you believed
the god commanded it.
Wonderful.
Suit yourself - it's your world.
The problem is that unquestioning people like you fly airplanes into
buildings in my world.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "bam" |
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30 Jul 2005 10:14:44 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote \
Ah, but I'm allowed to QUESTION what I believe is right.
You, on the other hand, have to obey without question.
Nice try. But you've lost.
The problem is that unquestioning people like you fly airplanes into
buildings in my world.
Yeah and people like you think that the world is filled with aliens.
BAM
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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31 Jul 2005 01:01:03 AM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote \
Ah, but I'm allowed to QUESTION what I believe is right.
You, on the other hand, have to obey without question.
Nice try. But you've lost.
What? You are willing to deny your god?
The problem is that unquestioning people like you fly airplanes into
buildings in my world.
Yeah and people like you think that the world is filled with aliens.
If by aliens, you mean ignorant religious nutters, then yes, the world is
filled with aliens.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "bam" |
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31 Jul 2005 10:02:04 AM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote \
Ah, but I'm allowed to QUESTION what I believe is right.
You, on the other hand, have to obey without question.
Nice try. But you've lost.
What? You are willing to deny your god?
You're cruising down non sequitur alley.
If by aliens, you mean ignorant religious nutters, then yes, the world is
filled with aliens.
So you don't believe in extra terrestrials?
BAM
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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31 Jul 2005 11:37:45 AM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote \
Ah, but I'm allowed to QUESTION what I believe is right.
You, on the other hand, have to obey without question.
Nice try. But you've lost.
What? You are willing to deny your god?
You're cruising down non sequitur alley.
Well, your non-sequiter response "Nice try. But you've lost." seemed to be a
denial of my conclusion that you had to obey god without question.
That obviously means you would be willing to deny your god.
Or does "Nice try. But you've lost." mean something else?
If by aliens, you mean ignorant religious nutters, then yes, the world is
filled with aliens.
So you don't believe in extra terrestrials?
I believe in ignorant religious nutters.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "bam" |
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31 Jul 2005 01:54:42 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote \
Ah, but I'm allowed to QUESTION what I believe is right.
You, on the other hand, have to obey without question.
Nice try. But you've lost.
What? You are willing to deny your god?
You're cruising down non sequitur alley.
Well, your non-sequiter response "Nice try. But you've lost." seemed to be
a denial of my conclusion that you had to obey god without question.
That obviously means you would be willing to deny your god.
Or does "Nice try. But you've lost." mean something else?
It means what it means. You claimed that I cannot question right or wrong.
What a foolish statement. I question it more than you do, because by your
definition everything you do is right. I, on the other hand, have to be fair
with myself - you don't.
But nice try.
BAM
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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31 Jul 2005 02:22:08 PM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote \
Ah, but I'm allowed to QUESTION what I believe is right.
You, on the other hand, have to obey without question.
Nice try. But you've lost.
What? You are willing to deny your god?
You're cruising down non sequitur alley.
Well, your non-sequiter response "Nice try. But you've lost." seemed to
be a denial of my conclusion that you had to obey god without question.
That obviously means you would be willing to deny your god.
Or does "Nice try. But you've lost." mean something else?
It means what it means. You claimed that I cannot question right or wrong.
No. I claimed you cannot question a command you believe is from your god.
What a foolish statement.
Are you saying if you believe the god issued you a command, you would be
willing to question that command?
I question it more than you do, because by your definition everything you
do is right.
No, not everything I do is right. I question everything I do. Since it has
been demonstrated that I have been wrong in the past, I am confident that I
will be wrong in the future. All I can try to do is make the best decisions
I can given my incomplete knowledge of the situation. And I am aware of this
limitation.
If I understand religion correctly, you have faith, right? That means you
think you're right, correct? If you think you're right, what are you
questioning?
I, on the other hand, have to be fair with myself - you don't.
What does "Be fair with myself" mean? Does that mean you have faith that you
will receive undeserved forgivness in the form of a ticket to heaven?
But nice try.
Nice try to what? Get a straight answer out of you?
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Muslim scholars decry terror |
30 Jul 2005 11:20:33 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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There would be no atrocity big enough for you to refuse if you believed
the god commanded it.
Wonderful.
Suit yourself - it's your world.
The problem is that unquestioning people like you fly airplanes into
buildings in my world.
Actually, it's people like her who burn others at the stake; that's her
religion's speciality.
Susan
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: Muslim scholars decry terror |
31 Jul 2005 10:01:13 AM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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There would be no atrocity big enough for you to refuse if you believed
the god commanded it.
Wonderful.
Suit yourself - it's your world.
The problem is that unquestioning people like you fly airplanes into
buildings in my world.
Actually, it's people like her who burn others at the stake; that's her
religion's speciality.
Quiet you phony.
BAM
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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30 Jul 2005 08:57:36 PM |
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No, Christians are way too cowardly to actually do something like
that -- they prefer the old fashion way -- rounding up defenceless
people and slaughtering them unless they agree to convert... In a way
that they do not get injured themselves, (like 5000 soldiers against 500
aboriginals).
"Denis Loubet" <> wrote in message
news:p9GdndemiqYkhnHfRVn-hQ@io.com...
:
: "bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
: news:JjUGe.26325$8g5.9457@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
: >
: > "Denis Loubet" <> wrote in message
: > news:Gb6dnX79DISOLHbfRVn-pQ@io.com...
: >>
: >> "bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
: >> news:PqKGe.19410$h.8519@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
: >>>
: >>> "Denis Loubet" <> wrote in message
: >>> news:2uCdnT1c9aHbjXbfRVn-jA@io.com...
: >>>>
: >>>> "bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
: >>>> news:VHAGe.19264$h.6710@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
: >>>>>
: >>>>> "Denis Loubet" <> wrote
: >>>>>
: >>>>> Religions are all about thinking that you're right, and if you
think
: >>>>>> you're right, what WOULDN'T you do?
: >>>>>
: >>>>> And if you believed there were no God, and no afterlife, what
WOULDN'T
: >>>>> you do?
: >>>>
: >>>> Anything that would put that one and only life, and the lives of
those
: >>>> around me, at risk.
: >>>>
: >>>> So, I graciously answered your question. Will you be polite and
return
: >>>> the favor and answer mine now?
: >>>
: >>> Sure. It was such an easy question I thought it was rhetorical. If
I
: >>> thought I was right, I wouldn't do anything that I believe God
forbade.
: >>> What possible other answer could there be?
: >>
: >> That's what I expected. Basically you would do ANYTHING you
believed the
: >> god told you to.
: >
: > Yep. And you would also do anything you believed was right. Who
wouldn't
: > but a coward?
:
: Ah, but I'm allowed to QUESTION what I believe is right.
:
: You, on the other hand, have to obey without question.
:
: >> There would be no atrocity big enough for you to refuse if you
believed
: >> the god commanded it.
: >>
: >> Wonderful.
: >
: > Suit yourself - it's your world.
:
: The problem is that unquestioning people like you fly airplanes into
: buildings in my world.
:
: --
: Denis Loubet
:
: http://www.io.com/~dloubet
: http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Mickey" |
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| Title: Re: Muslim scholars decry terror |
31 Jul 2005 11:31:59 AM |
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"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
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No, Christians are way too cowardly to actually do something like
that
More Jewish love, eh you rancid bigot?
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: Muslim scholars decry terror |
30 Jul 2005 10:15:36 PM |
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"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
news:%8WGe.18063$G71.8356@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
No, Christians are way too cowardly to actually do something like
that -- they prefer the old fashion way -- rounding up defenceless
people and slaughtering them unless they agree to convert... In a way
that they do not get injured themselves, (like 5000 soldiers against 500
aboriginals).
You have quite an overactive imagination. Do you see aliens too?
BAM
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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30 Jul 2005 11:47:08 PM |
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No, I studied History, and have a degree in Jewish Studies.
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
: news:%8WGe.18063$G71.8356@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
: > No, Christians are way too cowardly to actually do something like
: > that -- they prefer the old fashion way -- rounding up defenceless
: > people and slaughtering them unless they agree to convert... In a
way
: > that they do not get injured themselves, (like 5000 soldiers against
500
: > aboriginals).
:
: You have quite an overactive imagination. Do you see aliens too?
:
: BAM
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| User: "Mickey" |
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31 Jul 2005 11:32:52 AM |
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"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
news:pEYGe.20415$Ie1.19846@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
No, I studied History, and have a degree in Jewish Studies.
And a mouth like a sewer rat. Sadly, in all your studies about Judaism, you
never learned tolerance or love
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| User: "Uncle Buck" |
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30 Jul 2005 10:05:33 AM |
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:29:47 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
news:VHAGe.19264$h.6710@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote
Religions are all about thinking that you're right, and if you think
you're right, what WOULDN'T you do?
And if you believed there were no God, and no afterlife, what WOULDN'T you
do?
Anything that would put that one and only life, and the lives of those
around me, at risk.
So, I graciously answered your question. Will you be polite and return the
favor and answer mine now?
If you believe you cannot be wrong about your religion, then what would you
not do if you believed your god commanded it?
I always found the more interesting question to be, "What would it
take for you to believe that your god was giving you an order to kill
someone?"
Most people seem to hold themselves to inordinately high standards
compared to those in the Bible whom they idolize. For most people,
simply hearing voices telling you to do something isn't enough, even
if it's accompanied with a "certainty" that it's their god speaking.
Most people wouldn't believe such a thing were happening to them.
Which leads to the next question, "What makes them so sure it's ever
happened to anyone _else_?"
--
L8r,
Uncle Buck
_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=
http://surrenderingtothefall.blogspot.com
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: Muslim scholars decry terror |
30 Jul 2005 07:33:39 AM |
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"Uncle Buck" <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote
Most people seem to hold themselves to inordinately high standards
compared to those in the Bible whom they idolize. For most people,
simply hearing voices telling you to do something isn't enough, even
if it's accompanied with a "certainty" that it's their god speaking.
Most people wouldn't believe such a thing were happening to them.
Which leads to the next question, "What makes them so sure it's ever
happened to anyone _else_?"
You'll breathe as long as God lets you.
BAM
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