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"Fred Stone" |
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13 Mar 2007 05:13:25 PM |
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Muslim Workers at Target Refuse To Handle Pork |
Minneapolis: Some Muslim workers at Target refuse to handle pork
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/015634.php#comments
Minneapolis Sharia Alert: first it was no alcohol in airport cabs, and
now this. "Some Muslim workers at Target refuse to handle pork," by
Chris Serres of the Star Tribune at Buzz.mn, with thanks to all who sent
this in:
How would you feel if a cashier made you swipe your own groceries
because of his/her religious beliefs?
If you have an opinion on the matter, feel free to call me at (612)
673-4308.
I'm a reporter who covers Target for the Star Tribune and the other
day, I got a call from someone who said that an employee at the Target
store downtown refused to run his bacon through a scanning machine. He
was mighty upset, arguing that the cashier had "no right to work as a
cashier at Target" if she wasn't prepared to swipe his groceries.
But he was a little vague on the details, so I decided to check it
out myself. At the Target store on E. Lake Street, a cashier wearing a
hijab looked uncomfortable when I showed up at the cash register with a
frozen pepperoni pizza. She immediately called for help, and another
employee rang up the pizza and placed it in the basket.
I asked her if it was because she was Muslim, and she nodded her
head. "I can't even touch it," she said.
The E. Lake store has only has a few aisles of food. How do Muslim
workers adapt in Super Targets where there are full-fledged grocery
sections? And is anyone other than this caller bothered by this? Are
there some Muslim workers at Target who feel they have to suppress their
beliefs to avoid conflicts?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The one thing we must not do is to confuse the real country of Iraq,
where there is a real war, a real population, and a real obligation to
protect them, with the parallel-universe "quagmire Iraq" of popular
imagination."
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| User: "Rev. Uriah Ausbletter" |
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| Title: Re: Muslim Workers at Target Refuse To Handle Pork |
13 Mar 2007 05:28:54 PM |
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Jesus of Narareth would refuse to handle pork.
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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| Title: Re: Muslim Workers at Target Refuse To Handle Pork |
14 Mar 2007 03:51:24 PM |
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On Mar 13, 10:28 pm, "Rev. Uriah Ausbletter" <u...@ECS.com> wrote:
Jesus of Narareth would refuse to handle pork.
Well, he would have done if he ahd existed. We are atheists you
fucking moron.
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Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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| User: "Rev. Uriah Ausbletter" |
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| Title: Re: Muslim Workers at Target Refuse To Handle Pork |
14 Mar 2007 05:52:07 PM |
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Jesus of Narareth would refuse to handle pork.
Well, he would have done if he ahd existed. We are atheists you
fucking moron.
Learn to read posts more carefully. I wrote Narareth, not Nazareth.
Jesus of Narareth does exist and lives about forty miles south of Mexico
City and hates swine. His mother was mauled by a rabid hampshire ten years
ago and nearly lost a knee cap. Who's the fucking moron now?
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Muslim Workers at Target Refuse To Handle Pork |
13 Mar 2007 05:33:06 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98F2B9FD9AF3Bfreddybear@194.177.96.26...
Minneapolis: Some Muslim workers at Target refuse to handle pork
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/015634.php#comments
Minneapolis Sharia Alert: first it was no alcohol in airport cabs, and
now this. "Some Muslim workers at Target refuse to handle pork," by
Chris Serres of the Star Tribune at Buzz.mn, with thanks to all who sent
this in:
How would you feel if a cashier made you swipe your own groceries
because of his/her religious beliefs?
If you have an opinion on the matter, feel free to call me at (612)
673-4308.
I'm a reporter who covers Target for the Star Tribune and the other
day, I got a call from someone who said that an employee at the Target
store downtown refused to run his bacon through a scanning machine. He
was mighty upset, arguing that the cashier had "no right to work as a
cashier at Target" if she wasn't prepared to swipe his groceries.
But he was a little vague on the details, so I decided to check it
out myself. At the Target store on E. Lake Street, a cashier wearing a
hijab looked uncomfortable when I showed up at the cash register with a
frozen pepperoni pizza. She immediately called for help, and another
employee rang up the pizza and placed it in the basket.
I asked her if it was because she was Muslim, and she nodded her
head. "I can't even touch it," she said.
Cardboard? The stupid twat can't even touch cardboard?
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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15 Mar 2007 08:00:04 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:33:06 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Denis Loubet"
<dloubet@io.com> in <mIudncz3icQ5u2rYnZ2dnUVZ_h2pnZ2d@io.com> wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98F2B9FD9AF3Bfreddybear@194.177.96.26...
Minneapolis: Some Muslim workers at Target refuse to handle pork
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/015634.php#comments
Minneapolis Sharia Alert: first it was no alcohol in airport cabs, and
now this. "Some Muslim workers at Target refuse to handle pork," by
Chris Serres of the Star Tribune at Buzz.mn, with thanks to all who sent
this in:
How would you feel if a cashier made you swipe your own groceries
because of his/her religious beliefs?
If you have an opinion on the matter, feel free to call me at (612)
673-4308.
I'm a reporter who covers Target for the Star Tribune and the other
day, I got a call from someone who said that an employee at the Target
store downtown refused to run his bacon through a scanning machine. He
was mighty upset, arguing that the cashier had "no right to work as a
cashier at Target" if she wasn't prepared to swipe his groceries.
But he was a little vague on the details, so I decided to check it
out myself. At the Target store on E. Lake Street, a cashier wearing a
hijab looked uncomfortable when I showed up at the cash register with a
frozen pepperoni pizza. She immediately called for help, and another
employee rang up the pizza and placed it in the basket.
I asked her if it was because she was Muslim, and she nodded her
head. "I can't even touch it," she said.
Cardboard? The stupid twat can't even touch cardboard?
Good thing you had an opportunity to show your misogyny there.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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15 Mar 2007 09:42:37 AM |
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"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:qpgiv2hda9q7bj31qjr56otnehkrtv0l78@4ax.com...
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:33:06 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Denis Loubet"
<dloubet@io.com> in <mIudncz3icQ5u2rYnZ2dnUVZ_h2pnZ2d@io.com> wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98F2B9FD9AF3Bfreddybear@194.177.96.26...
Minneapolis: Some Muslim workers at Target refuse to handle pork
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/015634.php#comments
Minneapolis Sharia Alert: first it was no alcohol in airport cabs, and
now this. "Some Muslim workers at Target refuse to handle pork," by
Chris Serres of the Star Tribune at Buzz.mn, with thanks to all who sent
this in:
How would you feel if a cashier made you swipe your own groceries
because of his/her religious beliefs?
If you have an opinion on the matter, feel free to call me at (612)
673-4308.
I'm a reporter who covers Target for the Star Tribune and the other
day, I got a call from someone who said that an employee at the Target
store downtown refused to run his bacon through a scanning machine. He
was mighty upset, arguing that the cashier had "no right to work as a
cashier at Target" if she wasn't prepared to swipe his groceries.
But he was a little vague on the details, so I decided to check it
out myself. At the Target store on E. Lake Street, a cashier wearing a
hijab looked uncomfortable when I showed up at the cash register with a
frozen pepperoni pizza. She immediately called for help, and another
employee rang up the pizza and placed it in the basket.
I asked her if it was because she was Muslim, and she nodded her
head. "I can't even touch it," she said.
Cardboard? The stupid twat can't even touch cardboard?
Good thing you had an opportunity to show your misogyny there.
No, it's a good thing for you that I provided something that you could twist
into something you could complain about.
Happy to oblige.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Muslim Workers at Target Refuse To Handle Pork |
17 Mar 2007 02:03:20 AM |
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:42:37 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:qpgiv2hda9q7bj31qjr56otnehkrtv0l78@4ax.com...
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:33:06 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Denis Loubet"
<dloubet@io.com> in <mIudncz3icQ5u2rYnZ2dnUVZ_h2pnZ2d@io.com> wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98F2B9FD9AF3Bfreddybear@194.177.96.26...
Minneapolis: Some Muslim workers at Target refuse to handle pork
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/015634.php#comments
Minneapolis Sharia Alert: first it was no alcohol in airport cabs, and
now this. "Some Muslim workers at Target refuse to handle pork," by
Chris Serres of the Star Tribune at Buzz.mn, with thanks to all who sent
this in:
How would you feel if a cashier made you swipe your own groceries
because of his/her religious beliefs?
If you have an opinion on the matter, feel free to call me at (612)
673-4308.
I'm a reporter who covers Target for the Star Tribune and the other
day, I got a call from someone who said that an employee at the Target
store downtown refused to run his bacon through a scanning machine. He
was mighty upset, arguing that the cashier had "no right to work as a
cashier at Target" if she wasn't prepared to swipe his groceries.
But he was a little vague on the details, so I decided to check it
out myself. At the Target store on E. Lake Street, a cashier wearing a
hijab looked uncomfortable when I showed up at the cash register with a
frozen pepperoni pizza. She immediately called for help, and another
employee rang up the pizza and placed it in the basket.
I asked her if it was because she was Muslim, and she nodded her
head. "I can't even touch it," she said.
Cardboard? The stupid twat can't even touch cardboard?
Good thing you had an opportunity to show your misogyny there.
No, it's a good thing for you that I provided something that you could twist
into something you could complain about.
You did say "Twat."
I saw it...its right there in the post.
You said "Twat.."
There's no sense denying it.
You should have said "Twut."
Thats a bit more ambigious.
A bit harder to sink the teeth in to.
Somebody would have still probably wanted to call you a name but they
would have had to make something up because nobody knows what a "Twut"
is and all the people who jumped you for saying "Twat" would have
probably ignored it going "Whut the' hell is a "Twut?"
<Nothin' worth talking about far as I can tell is what they would have
thought>
See whut I'm saying there?
Next time just make up a word.
Then you won't have to lose sleep because somebody very important
called you a name.
atheist@home#1554
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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13 Mar 2007 07:09:57 PM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns98F2B9FD9AF3Bfreddybear@194.177.96.26:
How would you feel if a cashier made you swipe your own groceries
because of his/her religious beliefs?
I'd shop elsewhere. The employee should be invited to work elsewhere,
either in the store or for a different employer. "Can't handle what we
sell? Here's a mop. Won't handle a mop? Find another job."
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Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
The citizen who sees his society's democratic clothes being worn out and
does not cry out is not a patriot but a traitor.
-Mark Twain
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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14 Mar 2007 07:40:47 AM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Minneapolis: Some Muslim workers at Target refuse to handle pork
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/015634.php#comments
Minneapolis Sharia Alert: first it was no alcohol in airport cabs, and
now this. "Some Muslim workers at Target refuse to handle pork," by
Chris Serres of the Star Tribune at Buzz.mn, with thanks to all who sent
this in:
I wonder if the workers have some kind of list of items with pork in
them? What about rawhide chew toys? Footballs? Crayons? Floor wax?
Or is it just raw pork that they won't touch?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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14 Mar 2007 08:10:25 AM |
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Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
news:69qfv29pqh8mt8uq97tr3vdhrdncppgi15@4ax.com:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Minneapolis: Some Muslim workers at Target refuse to handle pork
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/015634.php#comments
Minneapolis Sharia Alert: first it was no alcohol in airport cabs,
and now this. "Some Muslim workers at Target refuse to handle pork,"
by Chris Serres of the Star Tribune at Buzz.mn, with thanks to all
who sent this in:
I wonder if the workers have some kind of list of items with pork in
them? What about rawhide chew toys? Footballs? Crayons? Floor wax?
Or is it just raw pork that they won't touch?
It's not even a Koranic prohibition against touching pork. The
prohibition is only against *eating* pork, and then only if they're not
starving.
This is just like the "snakes^h^h^h^h^h^hImams on a plane" episode. When
one of these slackers gets fired for refusing to do their jobs, they
will make a big fuss about religious discrimination and sue Target, even
though they have no ground to stand on.
You can bet that this is being coordinated too. CAIR already has some
Congresscritters in their pockets, not counting Keith Ellison, who was
directly involved with the "snakes".
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The one thing we must not do is to confuse the real country of Iraq,
where there is a real war, a real population, and a real obligation to
protect them, with the parallel-universe "quagmire Iraq" of popular
imagination."
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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14 Mar 2007 08:43:15 AM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Minneapolis: Some Muslim workers at Target refuse to handle pork
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/015634.php#comments
Minneapolis Sharia Alert: first it was no alcohol in airport cabs,
and now this. "Some Muslim workers at Target refuse to handle pork,"
by Chris Serres of the Star Tribune at Buzz.mn, with thanks to all
who sent this in:
I wonder if the workers have some kind of list of items with pork in
them? What about rawhide chew toys? Footballs? Crayons? Floor wax?
Or is it just raw pork that they won't touch?
It's not even a Koranic prohibition against touching pork. The
prohibition is only against *eating* pork, and then only if they're not
starving.
It seems more overblown in Islam than in Judaism from what I can tell,
but many Orthodox Jews also have a real pork paranoia.
Millions of Russian Jews didn't have a problem eating wild boar, but
when some of them migrated to Israel and setup shops which sell
pork, the local Orthodox Israeli Jews threw fits. Some of them
wouldn't even walk down the street next to the shops and wanted the
shops closed down because they considered them as polluting the
neighborhood.
This is just like the "snakes^h^h^h^h^h^hImams on a plane" episode. When
one of these slackers gets fired for refusing to do their jobs, they
will make a big fuss about religious discrimination and sue Target, even
though they have no ground to stand on.
It's kinda like the cases of Christian employees at pharmacies around
the country refusing to sell birth control pills, don't you think?
You can bet that this is being coordinated too. CAIR already has some
Congresscritters in their pockets, not counting Keith Ellison, who was
directly involved with the "snakes".
You smell a Muslim conspiracy, do you?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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14 Mar 2007 09:13:42 AM |
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Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
news:p3ufv2tbv8p67js4qud4on0781fb8nb6o0@4ax.com:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Minneapolis: Some Muslim workers at Target refuse to handle pork
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/015634.php#comments
Minneapolis Sharia Alert: first it was no alcohol in airport cabs,
and now this. "Some Muslim workers at Target refuse to handle
pork," by Chris Serres of the Star Tribune at Buzz.mn, with thanks
to all who sent this in:
I wonder if the workers have some kind of list of items with pork in
them? What about rawhide chew toys? Footballs? Crayons? Floor
wax? Or is it just raw pork that they won't touch?
It's not even a Koranic prohibition against touching pork. The
prohibition is only against *eating* pork, and then only if they're
not starving.
It seems more overblown in Islam than in Judaism from what I can tell,
but many Orthodox Jews also have a real pork paranoia.
Millions of Russian Jews didn't have a problem eating wild boar, but
when some of them migrated to Israel and setup shops which sell
pork, the local Orthodox Israeli Jews threw fits. Some of them
wouldn't even walk down the street next to the shops and wanted the
shops closed down because they considered them as polluting the
neighborhood.
There is a rancher down in Texas, some Muslims bought land next to his
ranch and built a mosque and then demanded that he move because his pigs
were "polluting the neighborhood". He just started running pig races
right next to the fence.
This is just like the "snakes^h^h^h^h^h^hImams on a plane" episode.
When one of these slackers gets fired for refusing to do their jobs,
they will make a big fuss about religious discrimination and sue
Target, even though they have no ground to stand on.
It's kinda like the cases of Christian employees at pharmacies around
the country refusing to sell birth control pills, don't you think?
Kinda. I wasn't happy with the way that turned out.
You can bet that this is being coordinated too. CAIR already has some
Congresscritters in their pockets, not counting Keith Ellison, who
was directly involved with the "snakes".
You smell a Muslim conspiracy, do you?
There's a lot of talk on Muslim websites about bringing shari'a law here
in just this way. These people are deadly serious about it and if we're
not equally serious about stopping them we're going to find ourselves
dhimmis in our own country.
They aren't immigrants. They're *missionaries*.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The one thing we must not do is to confuse the real country of Iraq,
where there is a real war, a real population, and a real obligation to
protect them, with the parallel-universe "quagmire Iraq" of popular
imagination."
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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14 Mar 2007 10:22:35 AM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
I wonder if the workers have some kind of list of items with pork in
them? What about rawhide chew toys? Footballs? Crayons? Floor
wax? Or is it just raw pork that they won't touch?
It's not even a Koranic prohibition against touching pork. The
prohibition is only against *eating* pork, and then only if they're
not starving.
It seems more overblown in Islam than in Judaism from what I can tell,
but many Orthodox Jews also have a real pork paranoia.
Millions of Russian Jews didn't have a problem eating wild boar, but
when some of them migrated to Israel and setup shops which sell
pork, the local Orthodox Israeli Jews threw fits. Some of them
wouldn't even walk down the street next to the shops and wanted the
shops closed down because they considered them as polluting the
neighborhood.
There is a rancher down in Texas, some Muslims bought land next to his
ranch and built a mosque and then demanded that he move because his
pigs were "polluting the neighborhood". He just started running pig races
right next to the fence.
I thought you were just joking, but Googled, and low and behold:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16095716/
"Houston suburb in dispute over mosque plan
Some residents object to plan; neighbor threatens to hold pig races"
The man only threatened to hold pig races, but it's not clear if
really did it. :)
This is just like the "snakes^h^h^h^h^h^hImams on a plane" episode.
When one of these slackers gets fired for refusing to do their jobs,
they will make a big fuss about religious discrimination and sue
Target, even though they have no ground to stand on.
It's kinda like the cases of Christian employees at pharmacies around
the country refusing to sell birth control pills, don't you think?
Kinda. I wasn't happy with the way that turned out.
How did it turn out? I don't remember.
You can bet that this is being coordinated too. CAIR already has some
Congresscritters in their pockets, not counting Keith Ellison, who
was directly involved with the "snakes".
You smell a Muslim conspiracy, do you?
There's a lot of talk on Muslim websites about bringing shari'a law here
in just this way. These people are deadly serious about it and if we're
not equally serious about stopping them we're going to find ourselves
dhimmis in our own country.
They aren't immigrants. They're *missionaries*.
I hear Detroit has a problem with local Muslims trying to ring their
prayer calls five times a day which annoys many residents.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38044
"A holy war of sorts is heating up in a Detroit suburb, where members
of the local Muslim community want loudspeakers on mosques to announce
the Islamic call to prayer five times each day.
But the idea is running into opposition from other residents of
Hamtramck, Mich., many of whom are Christian, who think the prayer
calls as early as 6 a.m. and as late as 10 p.m. would be disruptive.
"When you call to prayer, you are proselytizing, and as a citizen of
the United States I don't want to hear it," Bob Golen, 68, told the
Detroit Free Press."
I think I'd have to agree with Bob on this one, wouldn't you?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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14 Mar 2007 06:23:22 PM |
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Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> writes:
....
I hear Detroit has a problem with local Muslims trying to ring their
prayer calls five times a day which annoys many residents.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38044
"A holy war of sorts is heating up in a Detroit suburb, where members
of the local Muslim community want loudspeakers on mosques to announce
the Islamic call to prayer five times each day.
But the idea is running into opposition from other residents of
Hamtramck, Mich., many of whom are Christian, who think the prayer
calls as early as 6 a.m. and as late as 10 p.m. would be disruptive.
"When you call to prayer, you are proselytizing, and as a citizen of
the United States I don't want to hear it," Bob Golen, 68, told the
Detroit Free Press."
I think I'd have to agree with Bob on this one, wouldn't you?
I wouldn't. The mosque is subject to the same noise laws
as any church or any other business. They can hit the same
decibels as anyone else.
In fact, the earlier noise laws had completely exempted religious
institutions from noise restrictions, and only changed that when
this mosque wanted to exercise their rights. Of course, there
shouldn't have been an exemption in the first place.
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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| Title: Re: Muslim Workers at Target Refuse To Handle Pork |
14 Mar 2007 11:45:05 AM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism
There is a rancher down in Texas, some Muslims bought land next to his
ranch and built a mosque and then demanded that he move because his
pigs were "polluting the neighborhood". He just started running pig races
right next to the fence.
I thought you were just joking, but Googled, and low and behold:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16095716/
"Houston suburb in dispute over mosque plan
Some residents object to plan; neighbor threatens to hold pig races"
The man only threatened to hold pig races, but it's not clear if
really did it. :)
He did. They showed the races on the local news. He said he planned to
run more races if the new neighbors continued to bother him, but
nothing's been said about those since the first race.
I hear Detroit has a problem with local Muslims trying to ring their
prayer calls five times a day which annoys many residents.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38044
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"When you call to prayer, you are proselytizing, and as a citizen of
the United States I don't want to hear it," Bob Golen, 68, told the
Detroit Free Press."
I think I'd have to agree with Bob on this one, wouldn't you?
I have an article around here somewhere from about six or seven years
ago which tells about neighbors of a Christian church who filed a noise
complaint against the church because it insisted on ringing its bells
before every afternoon and evening service. The members of that
congregation insist the complaint had to be ignored because it was a
violation of their freedom of religion to not allow bell-ringing. It's
amazing how the meaning of a call to service changes from a religious
requirement to proselytizing depending on who's doing it.
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L. Raymond <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism
There is a rancher down in Texas, some Muslims bought land next to his
ranch and built a mosque and then demanded that he move because his
pigs were "polluting the neighborhood". He just started running pig races
right next to the fence.
I thought you were just joking, but Googled, and low and behold:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16095716/
"Houston suburb in dispute over mosque plan
Some residents object to plan; neighbor threatens to hold pig races"
The man only threatened to hold pig races, but it's not clear if
really did it. :)
He did. They showed the races on the local news.
Did people actually bet on certain pigs to win, or was it just a mock
race to ***** off the Muslims?
He said he planned to run more races if the new neighbors continued
to bother him, but nothing's been said about those since the first race.
I'd like to interview some of the people involved in that, just to
find out what they were feeling at the time.
I hear Detroit has a problem with local Muslims trying to ring their
prayer calls five times a day which annoys many residents.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38044
"When you call to prayer, you are proselytizing, and as a citizen of
the United States I don't want to hear it," Bob Golen, 68, told the
Detroit Free Press."
I think I'd have to agree with Bob on this one, wouldn't you?
I have an article around here somewhere from about six or seven years
ago which tells about neighbors of a Christian church who filed a noise
complaint against the church because it insisted on ringing its bells
before every afternoon and evening service.
I can actually see some good reasons for ringing a bell to gather
people together to take care of some local problems, but ringing a
bell to gather people together so they can worship an invisible god
isn't one of those reasons...
The members of that congregation insist the complaint had to be
ignored because it was a violation of their freedom of religion to not
allow bell-ringing.
I'm a bit of a noise-pollution complainer, I suppose, whether the
cause of the noise is religious or not, it doesn't matter to me.
The local railroad has installed super-loud horns because some
children on bus were killed at a local crossroads. Even if the train
had super-loud horns, the bus would still have gotten run over,
stalled on the tracks. It couldn't move, no matter how loud the horns
were...
Now, I have to listen to loud train horns ten times a night, during
the wee hours of the morning, so that such an accident might not
happen in the future... Oh well..
It's amazing how the meaning of a call to service changes from a
religious requirement to proselytizing depending on who's doing it.
It's the same thing when atheists tell Christians that they'd be glad
to see comparative religions taught to their young children in public
schools. The Christians only want Christianity taught, and back away
when any other religion is suggested to be taught to their young
children.
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www.elroysemporium.com
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Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
news:ck6gv29rg7v39v40ikhgrep28nfaiem0ff@4ax.com:
L. Raymond <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism
There is a rancher down in Texas, some Muslims bought land next to
his ranch and built a mosque and then demanded that he move because
his pigs were "polluting the neighborhood". He just started running
pig races right next to the fence.
I thought you were just joking, but Googled, and low and behold:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16095716/
"Houston suburb in dispute over mosque plan
Some residents object to plan; neighbor threatens to hold pig races"
The man only threatened to hold pig races, but it's not clear if
really did it. :)
He did. They showed the races on the local news.
Did people actually bet on certain pigs to win, or was it just a mock
race to ***** off the Muslims?
He said he planned to run more races if the new neighbors continued
to bother him, but nothing's been said about those since the first
race.
I'd like to interview some of the people involved in that, just to
find out what they were feeling at the time.
I hear Detroit has a problem with local Muslims trying to ring their
prayer calls five times a day which annoys many residents.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38044
"When you call to prayer, you are proselytizing, and as a citizen of
the United States I don't want to hear it," Bob Golen, 68, told the
Detroit Free Press."
I think I'd have to agree with Bob on this one, wouldn't you?
I have an article around here somewhere from about six or seven years
ago which tells about neighbors of a Christian church who filed a
noise complaint against the church because it insisted on ringing its
bells before every afternoon and evening service.
I can actually see some good reasons for ringing a bell to gather
people together to take care of some local problems, but ringing a
bell to gather people together so they can worship an invisible god
isn't one of those reasons...
If a church rings their bells at 90 decibels once a week, the mosque
will go for "allah akhbar" at 150 db five times a day, for several
minutes at a time, and then complain about religious discrimination if
people object to the noise.
The members of that congregation insist the complaint had to be
ignored because it was a violation of their freedom of religion to
not allow bell-ringing.
I'm a bit of a noise-pollution complainer, I suppose, whether the
cause of the noise is religious or not, it doesn't matter to me.
The local railroad has installed super-loud horns because some
children on bus were killed at a local crossroads. Even if the train
had super-loud horns, the bus would still have gotten run over,
stalled on the tracks. It couldn't move, no matter how loud the horns
were...
Now, I have to listen to loud train horns ten times a night, during
the wee hours of the morning, so that such an accident might not
happen in the future... Oh well..
It's amazing how the meaning of a call to service changes from a
religious requirement to proselytizing depending on who's doing it.
It's the same thing when atheists tell Christians that they'd be glad
to see comparative religions taught to their young children in public
schools. The Christians only want Christianity taught, and back away
when any other religion is suggested to be taught to their young
children.
The phrase "give them an inch and they'll take a mile" was probably
coined for a Muslim. How would you like to have your kids subjected to
Islamist sermons in the guise of "comparative religion"?
--
Fred Stone
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"The one thing we must not do is to confuse the real country of Iraq,
where there is a real war, a real population, and a real obligation to
protect them, with the parallel-universe "quagmire Iraq" of popular
imagination."
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14 Mar 2007 04:06:34 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
L. Raymond <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
I thought you were just joking, but Googled, and low and behold:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16095716/
"Houston suburb in dispute over mosque plan
Some residents object to plan; neighbor threatens to hold pig races"
The man only threatened to hold pig races, but it's not clear if
really did it. :)
He did. They showed the races on the local news.
Did people actually bet on certain pigs to win, or was it just a mock
race to ***** off the Muslims?
If they did they couldn't admit to it since it was a fairly
well-covered event and betting is illegal. There was a straight race
track set up, with the piglets in little stalls like horses, and the
gate was opened just like at a horse race. It was actually very cute.
http://blogs.chron.com/insidekaty/archives/2006/12/katy_pig_chase_3.html
"About 100 people showed up in the pouring rain with umbrellas and
raincoats to watch the plump little creatures chase after Oreo cookies
as they bolted from the starting gate and raced down the track through
the mud."
He's even started his own pig racing web site,
http://www.americanpigrace.com.
The people putting up the mosque pointed out they don't hate pigs per
se, they just won't eat them, but they did recognize the intended insult
for what it was.
He said he planned to run more races if the new neighbors continued
to bother him, but nothing's been said about those since the first race.
I'd like to interview some of the people involved in that, just to
find out what they were feeling at the time.
The ones who got on TV said their objection to the mosque was mainly
the traffic it would cause. They all felt obliged to say they would
have been just as angry over a new church, but I strongly doubt that.
Katy is in Ft. Bend county, Delay's old haunt.
The local railroad has installed super-loud horns because some
children on bus were killed at a local crossroads. Even if the train
had super-loud horns, the bus would still have gotten run over,
stalled on the tracks. It couldn't move, no matter how loud the horns
were...
Noise pollution is one of my pet peeves, too. I hated living in an
apartment because of the constant TV and radios. In this case, though,
I assume the kids died because they were on the bus? A loud horn, then
would have gotten them off even if the bus were a total loss.
--
L. Raymond
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15 Mar 2007 05:09:20 PM |
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L. Raymond <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
<snip>
The local railroad has installed super-loud horns because some
children on a bus were killed at a local crossroads. Even if the train
had super-loud horns, the bus would still have gotten run over,
stalled on the tracks. It couldn't move, no matter how loud the horns
were...
Noise pollution is one of my pet peeves, too. I hated living in an
apartment because of the constant TV and radios. In this case, though,
I assume the kids died because they were on the bus? A loud horn, then
would have gotten them off even if the bus were a total loss.
I think a bus-company or bus-driver policy of "all people off the bus"
whenever a bus stalls in the middle of some railroad tracks or
intersection would work just as well or even better. Better safe than
sorry, I think. That goes for any kind of public transportation, not
just buses.
I don't think I'd even wait for the driver to tell me to get off the
bus, in fact, and I'd be heading for an exit door, just to be safe.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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14 Mar 2007 03:17:06 PM |
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On Mar 14, 5:06 pm, "L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
Did people actually bet on certain pigs to win, or was it just a mock
race to ***** off the Muslims?
If they did they couldn't admit to it since it was a fairly
well-covered event and betting is illegal. There was a straight race
track set up, with the piglets in little stalls like horses, and the
gate was opened just like at a horse race. It was actually very cute.
http://blogs.chron.com/insidekaty/archives/2006/12/katy_pig_chase_3.html
"About 100 people showed up in the pouring rain with umbrellas and
raincoats to watch the plump little creatures chase after Oreo cookies
as they bolted from the starting gate and raced down the track through
the mud."
He's even started his own pig racing web site,http://www.americanpigrace.com.
The people putting up the mosque pointed out they don't hate pigs per
se, they just won't eat them, but they did recognize the intended insult
for what it was.
The property owner was being told that he couldn't
use his property for the purpose for which he'd
always used his property, by people who moved
in next door knowing full well what he used his
property for. *That's* the insult.
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14 Mar 2007 10:35:12 PM |
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wrote:
On Mar 14, 5:06 pm, "L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
Did people actually bet on certain pigs to win, or was it just a mock
race to ***** off the Muslims?
If they did they couldn't admit to it since it was a fairly
well-covered event and betting is illegal. There was a straight race
track set up, with the piglets in little stalls like horses, and the
gate was opened just like at a horse race. It was actually very cute.
http://blogs.chron.com/insidekaty/archives/2006/12/katy_pig_chase_3.html
"About 100 people showed up in the pouring rain with umbrellas and
raincoats to watch the plump little creatures chase after Oreo cookies
as they bolted from the starting gate and raced down the track through
the mud."
He's even started his own pig racing web site,http://www.americanpigrace.com.
The people putting up the mosque pointed out they don't hate pigs per
se, they just won't eat them, but they did recognize the intended insult
for what it was.
The property owner was being told that he couldn't
use his property for the purpose for which he'd
always used his property, by people who moved
in next door knowing full well what he used his
property for. *That's* the insult.
The rancher had an arrangement with the previous owner of the mosque's
property to graze his cattle there. When it was sold, the new legal
owner of that land, the mosque, asked him to remove his cattle so they
could start building. The rancher misunderstood and thought he was
being told he'd have to leave his own land. He *admitted* he
misunderstood after he had announced the races,and he acknowledged he
felt he had to hold the race to save face. Ignore Fox and search the
Houston Chronicle to read the articles. He seemed sort of amused at
himself once he realized what had happened, although I do think most of
the people who showed for the race, and probably to some extent the
rancher, too, enjoyed the races for the annoyance factor.
These sorts of agreements happen all over this area, and probably
anywhere people raise horses and cattle. If someone owns unused land,
he'll let neighbors graze it, often for free, or a company that's bought
land will rent it out for grazing while they raise the capital to build
on it. The trouble will start if the grazer decides he owns the field
or has special rights to it.
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16 Mar 2007 01:51:36 PM |
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On Mar 14, 11:35 pm, "L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
firelock...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Mar 14, 5:06 pm, "L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
Did people actually bet on certain pigs to win, or was it just a mock
race to ***** off the Muslims?
If they did they couldn't admit to it since it was a fairly
well-covered event and betting is illegal. There was a straight race
track set up, with the piglets in little stalls like horses, and the
gate was opened just like at a horse race. It was actually very cute.
http://blogs.chron.com/insidekaty/archives/2006/12/katy_pig_chase_3.html
"About 100 people showed up in the pouring rain with umbrellas and
raincoats to watch the plump little creatures chase after Oreo cookies
as they bolted from the starting gate and raced down the track through
the mud."
He's even started his own pig racing web site,http://www.americanpigrace.com.
The people putting up the mosque pointed out they don't hate pigs per
se, they just won't eat them, but they did recognize the intended insult
for what it was.
The property owner was being told that he couldn't
use his property for the purpose for which he'd
always used his property, by people who moved
in next door knowing full well what he used his
property for. *That's* the insult.
The rancher had an arrangement with the previous owner of the mosque's
property to graze his cattle there. When it was sold, the new legal
owner of that land, the mosque, asked him to remove his cattle so they
could start building. The rancher misunderstood and thought he was
being told he'd have to leave his own land. He *admitted* he
misunderstood after he had announced the races,and he acknowledged he
felt he had to hold the race to save face. Ignore Fox and search the
Houston Chronicle to read the articles.
You've swallowed some spin of your own if you think
the story was only reported this way by Fox.
CNN:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0701/08/ywt.01.html
MSNBC
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16095716/
Take a look at the byline - the story was picked up
like this by AP, *all* the big news agencies reported
it verbatim. You may have heard that Fox news is
biased, but it would be dishonest to try to use this
particular story to prove it.
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Walt Smith
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17 Mar 2007 12:50:26 PM |
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On Mar 14, 11:35 pm, "L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
firelock...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Mar 14, 5:06 pm, "L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
Did people actually bet on certain pigs to win, or was it just a mock
race to ***** off the Muslims?
If they did they couldn't admit to it since it was a fairly
well-covered event and betting is illegal. There was a straight race
track set up, with the piglets in little stalls like horses, and the
gate was opened just like at a horse race. It was actually very cute.
http://blogs.chron.com/insidekaty/archives/2006/12/katy_pig_chase_3.html
"About 100 people showed up in the pouring rain with umbrellas and
raincoats to watch the plump little creatures chase after Oreo cookies
as they bolted from the starting gate and raced down the track through
the mud."
He's even started his own pig racing web site,http://www.americanpigrace.com.
The people putting up the mosque pointed out they don't hate pigs per
se, they just won't eat them, but they did recognize the intended insult
for what it was.
The property owner was being told that he couldn't
use his property for the purpose for which he'd
always used his property, by people who moved
in next door knowing full well what he used his
property for. *That's* the insult.
The rancher had an arrangement with the previous owner of the mosque's
property to graze his cattle there. When it was sold, the new legal
owner of that land, the mosque, asked him to remove his cattle so they
could start building. The rancher misunderstood and thought he was
being told he'd have to leave his own land. He *admitted* he
misunderstood after he had announced the races,and he acknowledged he
felt he had to hold the race to save face. Ignore Fox and search the
Houston Chronicle to read the articles.
You've swallowed some spin of your own if you think
the story was only reported this way by Fox.
I don't care who got it wrong. You bought a lie intended to cause
outrage against Muslims, and I note you don't acknowledge your error.
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L. Raymond
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20 Mar 2007 09:03:41 AM |
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On Mar 17, 1:50 pm, "L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
firelock...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Mar 14, 11:35 pm, "L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
firelock...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Mar 14, 5:06 pm, "L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
Did people actually bet on certain pigs to win, or was it just a mock
race to ***** off the Muslims?
If they did they couldn't admit to it since it was a fairly
well-covered event and betting is illegal. There was a straight race
track set up, with the piglets in little stalls like horses, and the
gate was opened just like at a horse race. It was actually very cute.
http://blogs.chron.com/insidekaty/archives/2006/12/katy_pig_chase_3.html
"About 100 people showed up in the pouring rain with umbrellas and
raincoats to watch the plump little creatures chase after Oreo cookies
as they bolted from the starting gate and raced down the track through
the mud."
He's even started his own pig racing web site,http://www.americanpigrace.com.
The people putting up the mosque pointed out they don't hate pigs per
se, they just won't eat them, but they did recognize the intended insult
for what it was.
The property owner was being told that he couldn't
use his property for the purpose for which he'd
always used his property, by people who moved
in next door knowing full well what he used his
property for. *That's* the insult.
The rancher had an arrangement with the previous owner of the mosque's
property to graze his cattle there. When it was sold, the new legal
owner of that land, the mosque, asked him to remove his cattle so they
could start building. The rancher misunderstood and thought he was
being told he'd have to leave his own land. He *admitted* he
misunderstood after he had announced the races,and he acknowledged he
felt he had to hold the race to save face. Ignore Fox and search the
Houston Chronicle to read the articles.
You've swallowed some spin of your own if you think
the story was only reported this way by Fox.
I don't care who got it wrong.
Of course not - since you were able to use this situation
to support your own prejudices, while polishing your
halo about it only being other people who have prejudices.
You bought a lie intended to cause outrage
against Muslims, and I note you don't acknowledge your error.
It isn't my problem that you require that much validation
from strangers in your life.
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Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:45:05 -0600, "L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism
There is a rancher down in Texas, some Muslims bought land next to his
ranch and built a mosque and then demanded that he move because his
pigs were "polluting the neighborhood". He just started running pig races
right next to the fence.
I thought you were just joking, but Googled, and low and behold:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16095716/
"Houston suburb in dispute over mosque plan
Some residents object to plan; neighbor threatens to hold pig races"
The man only threatened to hold pig races, but it's not clear if
really did it. :)
He did. They showed the races on the local news. He said he planned to
run more races if the new neighbors continued to bother him, but
nothing's been said about those since the first race.
I hear Detroit has a problem with local Muslims trying to ring their
prayer calls five times a day which annoys many residents.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38044
...
"When you call to prayer, you are proselytizing, and as a citizen of
the United States I don't want to hear it," Bob Golen, 68, told the
Detroit Free Press."
I think I'd have to agree with Bob on this one, wouldn't you?
I have an article around here somewhere from about six or seven years
ago which tells about neighbors of a Christian church who filed a noise
complaint against the church because it insisted on ringing its bells
before every afternoon and evening service. The members of that
congregation insist the complaint had to be ignored because it was a
violation of their freedom of religion to not allow bell-ringing. It's
amazing how the meaning of a call to service changes from a religious
requirement to proselytizing depending on who's doing it.
Exactly, as in.....
"...Mary Urbanski, a lifelong resident of Hamtramck, said the United States was
founded on Judeo-Christian principles and that church "bells are music." The
chant, she said during Tuesday's council meeting, "is not just a call to prayer
.... and I don't want to hear it five times a day."
http://www.ramdhanyk.com/movabletype/archives/thoughtprocess/000855.html
Ben
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In article <Xns98F368ABFAEF7freddybear@194.177.96.26>, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
There is a rancher down in Texas, some Muslims bought land next to his
ranch and built a mosque and then demanded that he move because his pigs
were "polluting the neighborhood". He just started running pig races
right next to the fence.
As always, Fred distorts the facts. If you read the website put out by
the rancher himself, it is clear he is *not* the owner of the land in
question. He was leasing the 11-acre tract from the "Sacco family" who
later sold it to the Muslims. So the land in question belongs to the
Muslims, not the rancher. They politely asked him to remove his cattle
from the land as well as the electrified fence, which they justifiably
felt might be a threat to their kids. But according to the rancher,
Texas law gives him 180 days to do so. Fair enough, but as a property
rights issue, it is the Muslims whose property rights are being
violated, not the other way around.
http://www.americanpigrace.com/Stand.php
As for the pigs, he was previously running cattle on his land, and not
pigs, so he does not have the right under the "right to farm" laws to
now raise pigs. Right to farm laws typically give a farmer the right to
continue engaging in whatever legal activity he was involved with prior
to a new neighbor moving in, even if it creates a nuisance for that
neighbor. But he does not have the right to use the land for anything
but farming activities that the land was traditionally used for, in
this case raising cattle. This is reasonable both ways, as it prevents
a new neighbor from moving in and demanding that a traditional activity
stop because it is creating a nuisance, and also protects a neighbor
who knowingly moves into a farm with a tolerable activity like cattle
ranching from suddenly finding the rancher has switched to a
non-traditional use creating a greater nuisance than they had
anticipated, like pig races.
http://www.nolo.com/article.cfm/ObjectID/799F432A-9343-4EA0-AD43973349FF
DCFF/catID/D0B308BB-D553-438E-94E8D66498A911D7/213/243/267/ART/
The neighbors claims that they are protesting the building of a mosque
because of the possibility of increased noise and traffic seem
reasonable, but it begs the question why they are not protesting about
increased noise, traffic and the smell associated with the pig races,
and the media circus they are generating. Judging by this wesbite,
though, the opposition seems to be based more on anti-Islamic hatred
and hysteria than any real problems:
http://www.katyislamicassociation.net/
So basically, what you have here is a selfish, bigoted *****
insisting on his alleged "right" to create a nuisance for his new
neighbors which he does not in fact enjoy under the law, and resorting
to a racist spectacle to prove his point. His pig races are a
deliberate harassment against the legitimate owners of the land, based
on nothing more than their being Muslims and insisting on their
property rights.
There's a lot of talk on Muslim websites about bringing shari'a law here
in just this way. These people are deadly serious about it and if we're
not equally serious about stopping them we're going to find ourselves
dhimmis in our own country.
They aren't immigrants. They're *missionaries*.
Do you have some examples, or is this just more ***** from
Dhimmiwatch? Muslims *asking* for the right to live under Sharia law is
a far cry from Muslims *insisting* everyone else adhere to it. The US
allows many different groups to police themselves according to their
own laws and standards, the most notable example being the medical
profession, which controls the licensing and disciplining of
physicians. There are obvious pros and cons to this, but I don't see
why the Amish or the Mormoms should be able to live under their own
laws but not the Muslims.
--Sean C
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Muslim Workers at Target Refuse To Handle Pork |
15 Mar 2007 04:27:59 PM |
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Sean C <redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> wrote in
news:140320072014347049%redhawk@burnspammersalive.com:
In article <Xns98F368ABFAEF7freddybear@194.177.96.26>, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
There is a rancher down in Texas, some Muslims bought land next to
his ranch and built a mosque and then demanded that he move because
his pigs were "polluting the neighborhood". He just started running
pig races right next to the fence.
As always, Fred distorts the facts. If you read the website put out by
the rancher himself, it is clear he is *not* the owner of the land in
question. He was leasing the 11-acre tract from the "Sacco family" who
later sold it to the Muslims. So the land in question belongs to the
Muslims, not the rancher. They politely asked him to remove his cattle
from the land as well as the electrified fence, which they justifiably
felt might be a threat to their kids. But according to the rancher,
Texas law gives him 180 days to do so. Fair enough, but as a property
rights issue, it is the Muslims whose property rights are being
violated, not the other way around.
http://www.americanpigrace.com/Stand.php
As for the pigs, he was previously running cattle on his land, and not
pigs, so he does not have the right under the "right to farm" laws to
now raise pigs. Right to farm laws typically give a farmer the right
to continue engaging in whatever legal activity he was involved with
prior to a new neighbor moving in, even if it creates a nuisance for
that neighbor. But he does not have the right to use the land for
anything but farming activities that the land was traditionally used
for, in this case raising cattle. This is reasonable both ways, as it
prevents a new neighbor from moving in and demanding that a
traditional activity stop because it is creating a nuisance, and also
protects a neighbor who knowingly moves into a farm with a tolerable
activity like cattle ranching from suddenly finding the rancher has
switched to a non-traditional use creating a greater nuisance than
they had anticipated, like pig races.
http://www.nolo.com/article.cfm/ObjectID/799F432A-9343-4EA0-
AD43973349F
F DCFF/catID/D0B308BB-D553-438E-94E8D66498A911D7/213/243/267/ART/
The neighbors claims that they are protesting the building of a mosque
because of the possibility of increased noise and traffic seem
reasonable, but it begs the question why they are not protesting about
increased noise, traffic and the smell associated with the pig races,
and the media circus they are generating. Judging by this wesbite,
though, the opposition seems to be based more on anti-Islamic hatred
and hysteria than any real problems:
http://www.katyislamicassociation.net/
So basically, what you have here is a selfish, bigoted *****
insisting on his alleged "right" to create a nuisance for his new
neighbors which he does not in fact enjoy under the law, and resorting
to a racist spectacle to prove his point. His pig races are a
deliberate harassment against the legitimate owners of the land, based
on nothing more than their being Muslims and insisting on their
property rights.
When Jews buy land from Muslims in Palestine, it's *different* right?
There's a lot of talk on Muslim websites about bringing shari'a law
here in just this way. These people are deadly serious about it and
if we're not equally serious about stopping them we're going to find
ourselves dhimmis in our own country.
They aren't immigrants. They're *missionaries*.
Do you have some examples, or is this just more ***** from
Dhimmiwatch? Muslims *asking* for the right to live under Sharia law
is a far cry from Muslims *insisting* everyone else adhere to it. The
US allows many different groups to police themselves according to
their own laws and standards, the most notable example being the
medical profession, which controls the licensing and disciplining of
physicians. There are obvious pros and cons to this, but I don't see
why the Amish or the Mormoms should be able to live under their own
laws but not the Muslims.
Ask the French Jews in the banlieus of Paris why the Muslims shouldn't
be allowed to live under their own laws.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The one thing we must not do is to confuse the real country of Iraq,
where there is a real war, a real population, and a real obligation to
protect them, with the parallel-universe "quagmire Iraq" of popular
imagination."
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| User: "Sean C" |
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| Title: Re: Muslim Workers at Target Refuse To Handle Pork |
16 Mar 2007 01:21:33 AM |
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In article <Xns98F4B1AA93429freddybear@194.177.96.26>, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Sean C <redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> wrote in
news:140320072014347049%redhawk@burnspammersalive.com:
So basically, what you have here is a selfish, bigoted *****
insisting on his alleged "right" to create a nuisance for his new
neighbors which he does not in fact enjoy under the law, and resorting
to a racist spectacle to prove his point. His pig races are a
deliberate harassment against the legitimate owners of the land, based
on nothing more than their being Muslims and insisting on their
property rights.
When Jews buy land from Muslims in Palestine, it's *different* right?
Since you're the one making the point, why don't you explain the
difference. If a group of Jews had tried to build a synagogue on land
they had purchased in Texas and some ignorant scumbag was running pig
races next door to protest it, your reaction, and the medias's, would
be markedly different,
Do you have some examples, or is this just more ***** from
Dhimmiwatch? Muslims *asking* for the right to live under Sharia law
is a far cry from Muslims *insisting* everyone else adhere to it. The
US allows many different groups to police themselves according to
their own laws and standards, the most notable example being the
medical profession, which controls the licensing and disciplining of
physicians. There are obvious pros and cons to this, but I don't see
why the Amish or the Mormoms should be able to live under their own
laws but not the Muslims.
Ask the French Jews in the banlieus of Paris why the Muslims shouldn't
be allowed to live under their own laws.
I'm not aware that Muslims have established Sharia in Paris, but this
cryptic nonsense must mean something to you so why don't you explain
it?
--Sean C
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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| Title: Re: Muslim Workers at Target Refuse To Handle Pork |
14 Mar 2007 03:17:52 PM |
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On Mar 14, 7:13 am, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
There's a lot of talk on Muslim websites about bringing shari'a law here
in just this way. These people are deadly serious about it and if we're
not equally serious about stopping them we're going to find ourselves
dhimmis in our own country.
They aren't immigrants. They're *missionaries*.
Weird as this sounds, I'm with Fred on this one. Canadian Muslims
have already petitioned the government of Canada to be allowed to
practice shari'a law. I don't know the disposition of the case, but
if it can happen in Canada, it can happen in the US.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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| Title: Re: Muslim Workers at Target Refuse To Handle Pork |
14 Mar 2007 06:28:56 PM |
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"skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> writes:
On Mar 14, 7:13 am, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
There's a lot of talk on Muslim websites about bringing shari'a law here
in just this way. These people are deadly serious about it and if we're
not equally serious about stopping them we're going to find ourselves
dhimmis in our own country.
They aren't immigrants. They're *missionaries*.
Weird as this sounds, I'm with Fred on this one. Canadian Muslims
have already petitioned the government of Canada to be allowed to
practice shari'a law. I don't know the disposition of the case, but
if it can happen in Canada, it can happen in the US.
Canada already allows Jews to do exactly this -- see Ontario's
1991 Arbitration Act.
It's basically binding arbitration. It has to conform to Canadian
law, and all parties have to consent to it.
If you're complaining, you're 16 years late.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
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