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Religions > Atheism |
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"Paul Abeles" |
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10 Feb 2004 04:49:22 PM |
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Muslims who support secular French |
" But other Muslims here believe the key to successful integration is to
adopt the values of their adopted land.
"I arrived in France and adapted to this country," said 65-year-old Telly
Naar, who came from Morocco 40 years ago. "Everyone should be able to
practice religion at home. If one wants to wear the head scarf outside,
fine, but not inside a school that is secular."
Some said the debate exposed the danger of Islamic fundamentalism and will
help roll back radicalism.
"Until now, families were alone in fighting fundamentalists, often in the
shadows, and at danger to their safety," said Hanifa Cherifi, a mediator for
the national education system on the head scarf issue.
The debate "lifted the veil on fundamentalist thinking, which is taking a
population hostage," she told parliamentary television.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/02/10/international1505EST0668.DTL
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| User: "Gregory A Greenman" |
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| Title: Re: What evidence? |
16 Feb 2004 01:16:40 AM |
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:51:37 GMT, uragoner
uragoner@earthlink.net said...
We know from evidence that evolution happens. No faith
required? BE FOR REAL~!!!
I guess you're responding to my post. It's hard to tell for
sure because you changed the subject line and failed to quote
any of the message to which you're responding. See:
http://home.sprintmail.com/~dtrout/Usenet101.html
If you'd like to see some of the evidence that supports
evolution, then I'd suggest you go visit talkorigins.org.
How would that be, from and artist's rendition in a text book or television
show? Where are all the missing links ?
Only a small fraction of all the creatures that have ever
lived have been preserved as fossils. Of those, we've only
found a few. Nevertheless, many transitional forms have been
found, including several species that are related to modern
humans.
See:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-
transitional/part1a.html#tran
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section1.html#pred4
You'll notice that the evidence supporting these conclusions
comes primarily from the fossil record.
Shouldn't they be occurring every day and every where?
Evolution is a slow process. A human generation lasts about
twenty years. You cannot expect to see the evolutionary
process occurring in humans when it takes several hundred or
thousand generations and a human only lives long enough to
see three or four. Nevertheless, evolution has been observed
in other species.
See:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-
misconceptions.html#observe
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
No, they just suddenly stopped and all the rungs of
the ladder suddenly disappeared? What's next, oh yeah, the great meteor
destroyed everything.... how truly believable! Much more so than the flood.
Evolution is easily more believable than Noah's flood. The
flood could not possibly have happened. So, for evolution, we
have a considerable amount of evidence that it did happen.
For the flood, we have a considerable amount of evidence that
it didn't and couldn't happen. Thus, evolution is easier to
believe in.
Here's some evidence that the flood couldn't have happened:
1. There's not enough water on the planet for a worldwide
flood.
2. The polar ice caps are considerably older than the date of
the flood. Since they would have melted, this seems kind of
odd.
3. The world could not be repopulated in such a short time
period by just two of each species (or worse, two of each
kind). If the two wolves failed to catch the two deer, they'd
starve to death. Thus wolves would now be extinct. If they
did catch the deer, then deer would be extinct, the wolves
would have lasted a day or two longer before starving to
death and they'd be extinct too.
4. In a worldwide flood, all the water would have mixed.
Thus, either fresh water or salt water fish would have died
off. Presumably, it wasn't raining salt water, so the salt
water fish should now be extinct.
5. All the coral reefs would have died. They require a
certain depth of water. During the flood they would have been
too deep for sunlight to reach them.
6. There's no way for two animals of each species to reach
the ark and then return to their homelands. How did penguins
get from the ark to Antarctica? They can't cross the equator.
7. Wooden boats are not sturdy enough to hold that many
animals, along with food for all of them.
These are just off the top of my head. If you want more
evidence that the flood couldn't have happened, go check out
talkorigins.org.
Oh, I forgot again that all
happened over millions of years during the ice age, but what about fish and
mollusk fossils that have been found in mountain ranges and very high
altitudes?
As others have pointed out, due to plate tectonics, land that
was once under the sea, can now be the top of a mountain.
That's why you find fish fossils there.
Greg the Reprobate
Missionary of Death
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greg -at- spencersoft -dot- com
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| User: "Navigator" |
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| Title: Re: What evidence? |
15 Feb 2004 02:25:26 PM |
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uragoner wrote:
... what about fish and
mollusk fossils that have been found in mountain ranges ...
Upheaval due to adjacent techtonic plates bumping into one another. This
is old news. Where have you been, living in a hole with Sadam?
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| User: "uragoner" |
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| Title: Re: What evidence? |
15 Feb 2004 08:54:09 PM |
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So, that created great flood then?Tectonic plate shifts? Never read that
in school....must be very, very, very old news.
In fact most evolution theories run right for the ice age thing to try to
avoid the Noah story all together, despite the evidence of world wide
runoff.
Speaking of Sadam....
Revelation 9:13 ķAnd the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the
four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels
which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
According to this text the winds of war are let loose over the river
Euphrates. What country is this talking about?
Hint : its in the news every night.
"Navigator" <nav@nav.com> wrote in message
news:WAQXb.325620$na.477754@attbi_s04...
uragoner wrote:
... what about fish and
mollusk fossils that have been found in mountain ranges ...
Upheaval due to adjacent techtonic plates bumping into one another. This
is old news. Where have you been, living in a hole with Sadam?
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: What evidence? |
16 Feb 2004 10:57:57 AM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Mon, 16 Feb 2004 02:54:09 GMT, a stranger
called by some "uragoner" <uragoner@earthlink.net> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism
So, that created great flood then?Tectonic plate shifts? Never read that
in school....must be very, very, very old news.
Read my words. There was never a great flood. Never.
You can read a basic geology text and learn about it. I'm assuming
that you can comprehend a freshman-level college text, of course.
In fact most evolution theories run right for the ice age thing to try to
avoid the Noah story all together, despite the evidence of world wide
runoff.
What is your fascinatio0n with Ice Ages? The Earth has had several,
some lasting tens of thousands of years, some only a millennia or two.
OK, show me this evidence. Remember, I know geology. I'm going to
come right back with counter-evidence.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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