Religions > Atheism > Muslims,The Old Convenant Christians Versus Orthodox, The New Convenant Christians
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Muslims,The Old Convenant Christians Versus Orthodox, The New Convenant Christians |
PAUL'S ARRIVAL AT JERUSALEM
When we arrived at Jerusalem,the brothers received us warmly.
The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all
elders were present. Paul greeted them and reported in detail what
God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry.
When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul:" You see
brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed in Jesus as the
Messiah/Christ, and all of them are zealous for the Law/Torah.
They have been informed that you teach all the JEWS who live among
the Gentiles to TURN AWAY from MOSES, telling them not to circumcise
their children or live according to our customs. What shall we do?
They will certainly hear that you have come, so do what we tell you.
There are four men with us who have made a vow.
Take these men,join in their purification rites and pay their expenses,
so that they can have heads shaved. Then everybody will know
there is no truth in these reports about you.But that you yourself
are living in obedience to the Law.
As for the Gentile believers, we have written them our decision that
they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood,
from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality."
The Next day Paul took the men and purified hmself along with them.
Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the day
of purification would end and the offering would be made would be made
for each of them. Acts 21:17-26
-Given the above If anyone says that Christianity was of harmonized
doctrines from the start, he is ignorant.
-If anyone can not trace Islam back to James, he doen't know how to
investigate nor does he understand the message of the Qur'an and
culture. There has been through history, some jewish Christians who
held dear to the old convenant. I believe that the author of the Qur'an
is one of them
-If anyone can not trace the Orthodoxy Catholic back to Paul,
he is a clueles idiot and a dogmatic.
-Given the above, If anyone says the firts Christians at Jerusalem
were all baptized, and partook to the Lord supper
he is an obscurantist;you can not be baptized
and be circumcised at the same time, it makes no sense technically speaking.
-If anyone thinks the POPE is useful, let him be cursed
-If ANYONE Thinks that Islam has no biblical foundation, let him be ignored.
-If anyone thinks the Bible only belongs to the Christians and by Christians
he means the Pauline version, he knows nothing.
****If anyone can help defeat fundanmentalism, integrism,obcurantism
and any other isms or the missionaries out there, let him join us
to restore the integrity of HISTORY
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| User: "Lisbeth Andersson" |
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| Title: Re: Muslims,The Old Convenant Christians Versus Orthodox, The New Convenant Christians |
29 Oct 2004 03:20:22 PM |
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(Not-easily-duped) wrote in message news:<bbba7302.0410290657.25296c68@posting.google.com>...
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you can not be baptized
and be circumcised at the same time, it makes no sense technically speaking.
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<shudder>
I'm getting the picture of a small defenseles boy who is getting
some parts cut off while his head is held under water.
I was under the impression that a lot of (most?) american males
have been both circumcised and baptised. Of course neither action
makes sense, technically or otherwise.
Lisbeth
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The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die.
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| User: "learner" |
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| Title: Re: Muslims,The Old Convenant Christians Versus Orthodox, The New Convenant Christians |
29 Oct 2004 05:58:10 PM |
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(Not-easily-duped) wrote in message news:<bbba7302.0410290657.25296c68@posting.google.com>...
PAUL'S ARRIVAL AT JERUSALEM
When we arrived at Jerusalem,the brothers received us warmly.
The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all
elders were present. Paul greeted them and reported in detail what
God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry.
When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul:" You see
brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed in Jesus as the
Messiah/Christ, and all of them are zealous for the Law/Torah.
They have been informed that you teach all the JEWS who live among
the Gentiles to TURN AWAY from MOSES, telling them not to circumcise
their children or live according to our customs. What shall we do?
They will certainly hear that you have come, so do what we tell you.
There are four men with us who have made a vow.
Take these men,join in their purification rites and pay their expenses,
so that they can have heads shaved. Then everybody will know
there is no truth in these reports about you.But that you yourself
are living in obedience to the Law.
As for the Gentile believers, we have written them our decision that
they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood,
from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality."
The Next day Paul took the men and purified hmself along with them.
Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the day
of purification would end and the offering would be made would be made
for each of them. Acts 21:17-26
-Given the above If anyone says that Christianity was of harmonized
doctrines from the start, he is ignorant.
-If anyone can not trace Islam back to James, he doen't know how to
investigate nor does he understand the message of the Qur'an and
culture. There has been through history, some jewish Christians who
held dear to the old convenant. I believe that the author of the Qur'an
is one of them
Huh? Islam claims to trace itself back to Adam! But just for grins
and giggles, let's see what else you have.
-If anyone can not trace the Orthodoxy Catholic back to Paul,
he is a clueles idiot and a dogmatic.
Many of the key elements of Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant thought
come from Paul.
-Given the above, If anyone says the firts Christians at Jerusalem
were all baptized, and partook to the Lord supper
he is an obscurantist;you can not be baptized
and be circumcised at the same time, it makes no sense technically speaking.
Why not? Even as an American in the 21st century, I am both
circumcised and I partake of the Lord's Supper.
-If anyone thinks the POPE is useful, let him be cursed
The Pope is very useful. Pope JPII has been a loud and clear voice
for human life, freedom, and dignity. I love the man - and I am a
Protestant.
-If ANYONE Thinks that Islam has no biblical foundation, let him be ignored.
Islam has no foundation in the teachings of the Bible. The Bible
clearly says that Christ died on the cross. Islam denies this, so
there is really nothing more to say.
-If anyone thinks the Bible only belongs to the Christians and by Christians
he means the Pauline version, he knows nothing.
Wrong. Paul's Epistles were considered as Gospel by the Apostles.
****If anyone can help defeat fundanmentalism, integrism,obcurantism
and any other isms or the missionaries out there, let him join us
to restore the integrity of HISTORY
History and Islam have nothing to do with each other.
Learner
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| User: "ChuckkPF" |
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29 Oct 2004 09:49:42 PM |
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"learner" <nat1995@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Why not? Even as an American in the 21st century, I am both
circumcised and I partake of the Lord's Supper.
I'll bet you're proud of the fact that your parents mutilated you.
They thought that since you were a baby, you couldn't feel anything
and it was ok to cut body parts off you. And then there's your God,
what's his hangup with penis parts anyway? Is your god some sort
of pervert?
The Pope is very useful. Pope JPII has been a loud and clear voice
for human life, freedom, and dignity. I love the man - and I am a
Protestant.
The current pope is a pathetic, senile old moron.
Wrong. Paul's Epistles were considered as Gospel by the Apostles.
Wrong. Paul's Epistles were never mentioned once in the gospels,
you fool. Not only that, but Paul's epistles never once mentioned the
gospels either. Guess which ones were written first?
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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30 Oct 2004 09:47:01 AM |
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"ChuckkPF" <nospam1c@nospam2.com> wrote in message news:<ajDgd.803256$Gx4.796733@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"learner" <nat1995@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Why not? Even as an American in the 21st century, I am both
circumcised and I partake of the Lord's Supper.
But you were not circumcised on the 8th day according to the ritual
of Abraham, were you?
This is in fact what Paul was debating in Galatians et Je cite:"If
anyone get circumcised he must keep the whole Law.
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| User: "Al" |
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29 Oct 2004 06:33:20 PM |
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"learner" <nat1995@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) wrote in message
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Wrong. Paul's Epistles were considered as Gospel by the Apostles.
***How do you know this? There were hundred of epistles and gospels and
other assorted writings circulating among the various churches before the
Canon of the N.T. was decided in 475 A.D.
Al
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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30 Oct 2004 02:06:29 PM |
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(learner) wrote in message
Wrong. Paul's Epistles were considered as Gospel by the Apostles.
Are you talking about the substance in the epistles or the epistles
itselves. Then we should have 12 Gospels from Paul?
Let me refer you to Paul's speech to the Athenian at the
Aeropagus. This is the Gospel and it is spread in the Qur'an
****If anyone can help defeat fundanmentalism, integrism,obcurantism
and any other isms or the missionaries out there, let him join us
to restore the integrity of HISTORY
History and Islam have nothing to do with each other.
Because you don't know the History of the Jew Christians.
You don't know that for centuries they shared their synagogues service
with Jews who denied Jesus. So there was no room for the Lord Supper
for them.
You don't know the Story of the Jewish Christians from the
Council of Jamnia up to "Mohammad" time.
You are a poor thinker and an ignorant
Learner
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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30 Oct 2004 03:38:37 PM |
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(learner) wrote in message
Islam has no foundation in the teachings of the Bible. The Bible
clearly says that Christ died on the cross. Islam denies this, so
there is really nothing more to say.
When you say Islam denied that Christ deied, I am sure you allude
to the verse which states:
"They says, we killed the Messiah, Jesus the Son of Mary, the killed Him
not..." Qur'an...
The "They" is supposed to satnd for "Jews"
As far as we know no Jew has ever said that Jesus was the Messiah
yet the verse clearly states that they say that they killed him
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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30 Oct 2004 05:17:36 PM |
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Not-easily-duped wrote:
nat1995@hotmail.com (learner) wrote in message
Islam has no foundation in the teachings of the Bible. The Bible
clearly says that Christ died on the cross. Islam denies this, so
there is really nothing more to say.
When you say Islam denied that Christ deied, I am sure you allude
to the verse which states:
"They says, we killed the Messiah, Jesus the Son of Mary, the killed Him
not..." Qur'an...
The "They" is supposed to satnd for "Jews"
As far as we know no Jew has ever said that Jesus was the Messiah
yet the verse clearly states that they say that they killed him
This verse from the Quran was taken from the unorthodox
gospel of Barnabus. In this gospel, Jesus, by magic,
leaves the cross and escapes. Judas was crucified instead.
Mohammed's writings when mentioning Christian or Jewish
scriptures usually are taken from unorthodox writings.
--
Kerry - two medals a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well they don't give medals
for going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry - a hero, Bush - a zero
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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01 Nov 2004 06:50:41 PM |
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wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message news:<41842018$0$175$811e409b@news.mylinuxisp.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
nat1995@hotmail.com (learner) wrote in message
Islam has no foundation in the teachings of the Bible. The Bible
clearly says that Christ died on the cross. Islam denies this, so
there is really nothing more to say.
When you say Islam denied that Christ deied, I am sure you allude
to the verse which states:
"They says, we killed the Messiah, Jesus the Son of Mary, the killed Him
not..." Qur'an...
The "They" is supposed to satnd for "Jews"
As far as we know no Jew has ever said that Jesus was the Messiah
yet the verse clearly states that they say that they killed him
This verse from the Quran was taken from the unorthodox
gospel of Barnabus. In this gospel, Jesus, by magic,
leaves the cross and escapes. Judas was crucified instead.
Mohammed's writings when mentioning Christian or Jewish
scriptures usually are taken from unorthodox writings.
Platitude. The author, not Mohammad, is making a theological statement
not a historical one
in response to Paul' stance on the Old covenant.
As we already said the author is in favor of the Old Covenant so he
tailoring his teaching
to meet the requirement of the old Covenant doctrines.
Y'a like easy way out.
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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01 Nov 2004 09:05:16 PM |
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Not-easily-duped wrote:
wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:<41842018$0$175$811e409b@news.mylinuxisp.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
nat1995@hotmail.com (learner) wrote in message
Islam has no foundation in the teachings of the Bible. The Bible
clearly says that Christ died on the cross. Islam denies this, so
there is really nothing more to say.
When you say Islam denied that Christ deied, I am sure you allude
to the verse which states:
"They says, we killed the Messiah, Jesus the Son of Mary, the killed
Him
not..." Qur'an...
The "They" is supposed to satnd for "Jews"
As far as we know no Jew has ever said that Jesus was the Messiah
yet the verse clearly states that they say that they killed him
This verse from the Quran was taken from the unorthodox
gospel of Barnabus. In this gospel, Jesus, by magic,
leaves the cross and escapes. Judas was crucified instead.
Mohammed's writings when mentioning Christian or Jewish
scriptures usually are taken from unorthodox writings.
Platitude. The author, not Mohammad, is making a theological statement
not a historical one
The Quran's author was mohammed.
You are amazingly stupid.
--
Kerry - two medals a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well they don't give medals
for going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry - a hero, Bush - a zero
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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02 Nov 2004 12:21:23 PM |
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wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
The Quran's author was mohammed.
You are amazingly stupid.
"Did not we find you orphan and give you a sheltter?
Did not we magnify your name?".... Qur'an
Who is asking these questions?
For a stupid like you it must be Mohammad.
To whom the questions were addressed?
Maybe to an angel? or what?
Now who is the stupid one?
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02 Nov 2004 12:13:19 PM |
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wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message news:<cm70nb$ug@library2.airnews.net>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:<41842018$0$175$811e409b@news.mylinuxisp.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
nat1995@hotmail.com (learner) wrote in message
Islam has no foundation in the teachings of the Bible. The Bible
clearly says that Christ died on the cross. Islam denies this, so
there is really nothing more to say.
When you say Islam denied that Christ deied, I am sure you allude
to the verse which states:
"They says, we killed the Messiah, Jesus the Son of Mary, the killed
Him
not..." Qur'an...
The "They" is supposed to satnd for "Jews"
As far as we know no Jew has ever said that Jesus was the Messiah
yet the verse clearly states that they say that they killed him
This verse from the Quran was taken from the unorthodox
gospel of Barnabus. In this gospel, Jesus, by magic,
leaves the cross and escapes. Judas was crucified instead.
Mohammed's writings when mentioning Christian or Jewish
scriptures usually are taken from unorthodox writings.
Platitude. The author, not Mohammad, is making a theological statement
not a historical one
The Quran's author was mohammed.
"We sent you as an apostle and a warner so that you may believe in God and
his Apostle, help Him, praise Him and sing for Him evening and morning."
"Remember when Jesus asked," Who will assists me in the way of God, the
disciples replied, we shall be the helpers of God bear witness, we are
Muslims...." Qur'an
Who is doing the speaking?
For you that is Mohammad.
To who is the speach addressed?
Still for you it is addressed to Mohammad.
So Mohammad is addressing the speach to Himself?
A kind of monologue?
Does this make sense or does thinking just gives headache?
You are amazingly stupid.
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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02 Nov 2004 12:24:53 PM |
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wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message news:<41842018$0$175$811e409b@news.mylinuxisp.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
nat1995@hotmail.com (learner) wrote in message
Islam has no foundation in the teachings of the Bible. The Bible
clearly says that Christ died on the cross. Islam denies this, so
there is really nothing more to say.
When you say Islam denied that Christ deied, I am sure you allude
to the verse which states:
"They says, we killed the Messiah, Jesus the Son of Mary, the killed Him
not..." Qur'an...
The "They" is supposed to satnd for "Jews"
As far as we know no Jew has ever said that Jesus was the Messiah
yet the verse clearly states that they say that they killed him
This verse from the Quran was taken from the unorthodox
gospel of Barnabus. In this gospel, Jesus, by magic,
leaves the cross and escapes. Judas was crucified instead.
Mohammed's writings when mentioning Christian or Jewish
scriptures usually are taken from unorthodox writings.
The unorthodox Gospel you allude to was written by a Muslim way after
the Qur'an was edited. He did so to justify his islamic theology.
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30 Oct 2004 01:47:42 PM |
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(learner) wrote in message news:<c53bb03c.0410291458.18de01ab@posting.google.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) wrote in message news:<bbba7302.0410290657.25296c68@posting.google.com>...
PAUL'S ARRIVAL AT JERUSALEM
When we arrived at Jerusalem,the brothers received us warmly.
The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all
elders were present. Paul greeted them and reported in detail what
God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry.
When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul:" You see
brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed in Jesus as the
Messiah/Christ, and all of them are zealous for the Law/Torah.
They have been informed that you teach all the JEWS who live among
the Gentiles to TURN AWAY from MOSES, telling them not to circumcise
their children or live according to our customs. What shall we do?
They will certainly hear that you have come, so do what we tell you.
There are four men with us who have made a vow.
Take these men,join in their purification rites and pay their expenses,
so that they can have heads shaved. Then everybody will know
there is no truth in these reports about you.But that you yourself
are living in obedience to the Law.
As for the Gentile believers, we have written them our decision that
they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood,
from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality."
The Next day Paul took the men and purified hmself along with them.
Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the day
of purification would end and the offering would be made would be made
for each of them. Acts 21:17-26
-Given the above If anyone says that Christianity was of harmonized
doctrines from the start, he is ignorant.
-If anyone can not trace Islam back to James, he doen't know how to
investigate nor does he understand the message of the Qur'an and
culture. There has been through history, some jewish Christians who
held dear to the old convenant. I believe that the author of the Qur'an
is one of them
Huh? Islam claims to trace itself back to Adam! But just for grins
and giggles, let's see what else you have.
-If anyone can not trace the Orthodoxy Catholic back to Paul,
he is a clueles idiot and a dogmatic.
Many of the key elements of Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant thought
come from Paul.
-Given the above, If anyone says the firts Christians at Jerusalem
were all baptized, and partook to the Lord supper
he is an obscurantist;you can not be baptized
and be circumcised at the same time, it makes no sense technically speaking.
Why not? Even as an American in the 21st century, I am both
circumcised and I partake of the Lord's Supper.
-If anyone thinks the POPE is useful, let him be cursed
The Pope is very useful. Pope JPII has been a loud and clear voice
for human life, freedom, and dignity. I love the man - and I am a
Protestant.
We need no Pope for that. A bishop would do the same job just
fine in his own juridiction. Even some head of states do better jobs.
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30 Oct 2004 01:45:33 PM |
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(learner) wrote in message news:<c53bb03c.0410291458.18de01ab@posting.google.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) wrote in message news:<bbba7302.0410290657.25296c68@posting.google.com>...
PAUL'S ARRIVAL AT JERUSALEM
When we arrived at Jerusalem,the brothers received us warmly.
The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all
elders were present. Paul greeted them and reported in detail what
God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry.
When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul:" You see
brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed in Jesus as the
Messiah/Christ, and all of them are zealous for the Law/Torah.
They have been informed that you teach all the JEWS who live among
the Gentiles to TURN AWAY from MOSES, telling them not to circumcise
their children or live according to our customs. What shall we do?
They will certainly hear that you have come, so do what we tell you.
There are four men with us who have made a vow.
Take these men,join in their purification rites and pay their expenses,
so that they can have heads shaved. Then everybody will know
there is no truth in these reports about you.But that you yourself
are living in obedience to the Law.
As for the Gentile believers, we have written them our decision that
they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood,
from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality."
The Next day Paul took the men and purified hmself along with them.
Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the day
of purification would end and the offering would be made would be made
for each of them. Acts 21:17-26
-Given the above If anyone says that Christianity was of harmonized
doctrines from the start, he is ignorant.
-If anyone can not trace Islam back to James, he doen't know how to
investigate nor does he understand the message of the Qur'an and
culture. There has been through history, some jewish Christians who
held dear to the old convenant. I believe that the author of the Qur'an
is one of them
Huh? Islam claims to trace itself back to Adam! But just for grins
and giggles, let's see what else you have.
-If anyone can not trace the Orthodoxy Catholic back to Paul,
he is a clueles idiot and a dogmatic.
Many of the key elements of Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant thought
come from Paul.
So you agree with me????
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30 Oct 2004 01:43:36 PM |
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(learner) wrote in message news:<c53bb03c.0410291458.18de01ab@posting.google.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) wrote in message news:<bbba7302.0410290657.25296c68@posting.google.com>...
PAUL'S ARRIVAL AT JERUSALEM
When we arrived at Jerusalem,the brothers received us warmly.
The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all
elders were present. Paul greeted them and reported in detail what
God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry.
When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul:" You see
brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed in Jesus as the
Messiah/Christ, and all of them are zealous for the Law/Torah.
They have been informed that you teach all the JEWS who live among
the Gentiles to TURN AWAY from MOSES, telling them not to circumcise
their children or live according to our customs. What shall we do?
They will certainly hear that you have come, so do what we tell you.
There are four men with us who have made a vow.
Take these men,join in their purification rites and pay their expenses,
so that they can have heads shaved. Then everybody will know
there is no truth in these reports about you.But that you yourself
are living in obedience to the Law.
As for the Gentile believers, we have written them our decision that
they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood,
from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality."
The Next day Paul took the men and purified hmself along with them.
Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the day
of purification would end and the offering would be made would be made
for each of them. Acts 21:17-26
-Given the above If anyone says that Christianity was of harmonized
doctrines from the start, he is ignorant.
-If anyone can not trace Islam back to James, he doen't know how to
investigate nor does he understand the message of the Qur'an and
culture. There has been through history, some jewish Christians who
held dear to the old convenant. I believe that the author of the Qur'an
is one of them
Huh? Islam claims to trace itself back to Adam! But just for grins
and giggles, let's see what else you have.
Same For Catholicism. All the old Covenant people were Christians
before Christ
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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| Title: Re: Muslims,The Old Convenant Christians Versus Orthodox, The New Convenant Christians |
30 Oct 2004 01:56:02 PM |
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(learner) wrote in message news:<c53bb03c.0410291458.18de01ab@posting.google.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) wrote in message news:<bbba7302.0410290657.25296c68@posting.google.com>...
Islam has no foundation in the teachings of the Bible. The Bible
clearly says that Christ died on the cross. Islam denies this, so
there is really nothing more to say.
Because you can't tell a historical statement from a Theological one.
You also don't really understand the TORAH.
And you don't know what Christianity would look like without Paul.
It seems these things are too complex for you, so you settle for the
simplest.
Yet it is every simple. As far as History is concerned, says the Qur'an
Jesus died, but for the Qur'an Jesus' death doesn't negate the OLD
COVENANT as Paul implied.
The jewish Christians just thought the same.
YOU SURE DID NOT READ THE QUR'AN. YOU ARE A CLUELESS IDIOT
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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30 Oct 2004 04:46:26 PM |
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(learner) wrote in message news:<c53bb03c.0410291458.18de01ab@posting.google.com>...
Islam has no foundation in the teachings of the Bible. The Bible
clearly says that Christ died on the cross. Islam denies this, so
there is really nothing more to say.
And they Boast(The Jews) in their saying:"We have killed the Messiah/Christ,
Jesus the Son Of Mary, the Apostle of God""- They killed Him not, but it appeard
to them. Qur'an 4:157
I am sure when you say that Islam denied Jesus's death, you're alluding to this
verse. But a close look at the above would tell you something unusual:
That the Jews boast for having killed the Messiah/Christ.
It is quite clear that no jew have ever said Jesus was the Messiah/Christ.
Jews have always claimed that the Messiah has not yet come.
Still the author put in their mouths this strange saying.
That indicates that the author is not interested in History as you understand
it but he is making a theological statement centered around the Christ/Messiah
of the OLD COVENANT in response to Paul who asserted that the death
of Christ was the end of the old Covenant.
No jew Christian would accept that and that is attested in Acts 21:17
where James pleaded to Paul to spare the Jews his strange teaching against
Moses' Law.
What I am saying is that the spirit of the Qur'an is consistent with
Jew Christians theology on Christ and the Old Covenant.
If Jew Christians had understood Christ'death the way Paul did, there would
be no special revelation entrusted to Paul from God.
So basically you are wrong to interpret Islam this way.
Islam is evry similar to jewish Christianity like it or not
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| User: "Val Rogers" |
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30 Oct 2004 06:15:25 PM |
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Islam is evry similar to jewish Christianity like it or not
Jewish Christianity? What is that?
Val
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| User: "" |
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31 Oct 2004 04:17:33 PM |
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Hello Val Rogers <val@zkfs.com>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
Islam is evry similar to jewish Christianity like it or not
Jewish Christianity? What is that?
Val
Christianity IS the fulfillment of Judaism, is it not? Jesus IS a
Jew, isn't He?
Christian
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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31 Oct 2004 03:47:27 PM |
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Val Rogers <val@zkfs.com> wrote in message news:<10o886c1dj8hj5b@corp.supernews.com>...
Islam is evry similar to jewish Christianity like it or not
Jewish Christianity? What is that?
Jews who believe in Jesus as Christ/Messiah of Israel but unlike
Paul hold to the Old Covenant of their fathers with God.
These are the believers James was talking about with Paul
in Acts 21:18.
They circumcised their boys on the 8th day according to Moses custom
They shared the synagogue service with the Jews who did not believe
in Jesus.
They did not have the Lord supper
They did not think that Jesus was the Son of God in physical sense.
They boasted about the superiority of the Old Convenant over the New.
They hated Paul because his doctrine against the Law/Torah of Moses....
Val
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| User: "I report, you decide" |
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30 Oct 2004 06:38:56 PM |
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Not-easily-duped wrote:
nat1995@hotmail.com (learner) wrote in message news:<c53bb03c.0410291458.18de01ab@posting.google.com>...
Islam has no foundation in the teachings of the Bible. The Bible
clearly says that Christ died on the cross. Islam denies this, so
there is really nothing more to say.
And they Boast(The Jews) in their saying:"We have killed the Messiah/Christ,
Jesus the Son Of Mary, the Apostle of God""- They killed Him not, but it appeard
to them. Qur'an 4:157
I am sure when you say that Islam denied Jesus's death, you're alluding to this
verse. But a close look at the above would tell you something unusual:
That the Jews boast for having killed the Messiah/Christ.
It is quite clear that no jew have ever said Jesus was the Messiah/Christ.
Jews have always claimed that the Messiah has not yet come.
Still the author put in their mouths this strange saying.
That indicates that the author is not interested in History as you understand
it but he is making a theological statement centered around the Christ/Messiah
of the OLD COVENANT in response to Paul who asserted that the death
of Christ was the end of the old Covenant.
No jew Christian would accept that and that is attested in Acts 21:17
where James pleaded to Paul to spare the Jews his strange teaching against
Moses' Law.
What I am saying is that the spirit of the Qur'an is consistent with
Jew Christians theology on Christ and the Old Covenant.
If Jew Christians had understood Christ'death the way Paul did, there would
be no special revelation entrusted to Paul from God.
So basically you are wrong to interpret Islam this way.
Islam is evry similar to jewish Christianity like it or not
I was going to say the same thing but you beat me to it.
--
The Best in Message Board Discussions
http://www.comicboards.org/religion
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| User: "Joe Orthodox" |
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29 Oct 2004 11:42:54 PM |
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baby lerner wrote:
Why not? Even as an American in the 21st century, I am both
circumcised and I partake of the Lord's Supper.
And you've been mourning the loss of your better half ever since ;-)
I've got news for you; that cracker and grape juice isn't the Lord's
Supper outside the Church. A tip from your Uncle Joe.
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| User: "ChuckkPF" |
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30 Oct 2004 12:04:09 AM |
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"Joe Orthodox" <JoeOrthodox@spamtrap.com> wrote in message
baby lerner wrote:
Why not? Even as an American in the 21st century, I am both
circumcised and I partake of the Lord's Supper.
And you've been mourning the loss of your better half ever since ;-)
I've got news for you; that cracker and grape juice isn't the Lord's
Supper outside the Church. A tip from your Uncle Joe.
Yeah, right. A pedophile wearing a dress has to mumble some magic
words over it first.
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