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"Aaron Kim" |
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25 Jun 2007 01:03:53 PM |
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Mutations Are Not An Evolutionary "Magic Wand" |
Mutations are defined as breaks or replacements taking place in the DNA
molecule, which is found in the nuclei of the cells of a living organism and
which contains all its genetic information. These breaks or replacements are
the result of external effects such as radiation or chemical action. Every
mutation is an "accident," and either damages the nucleotides making up the
DNA or changes their locations. Most of the time, they cause so much damage
and modification that the cell cannot repair them.
Mutation, which evolutionists frequently hide behind, is not a magic wand
that transforms living organisms into a more advanced and perfect form. The
direct effect of mutations is harmful. The changes effected by mutations can
only be like those experienced by people in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and
Chernobyl: that is, death, disability, and freaks of nature.
The reason for this is very simple: DNA has a very complex structure, and
random effects can only damage it. Biologist B. G. Ranganathan states:
First, genuine mutations are very rare in nature. Secondly, most mutations
are harmful since they are random, rather than orderly changes in the
structure of genes;any random change in a highy ordered system will be for
the worse, not for the better. For example, if an earthquake were to shake a
highly ordered structure such as a building, there would be a random change
in the framework of the building, which, in all probability, would not be an
improvement.19
Not surprisingly, no useful mutation has been so far observed. All mutations
have proved to be harmful. The evolutionist scientist Warren Weaver comments
on the report prepared by the Committee on Genetic Effects of Atomic
Radiation, which had been formed to investigate mutations that might have
been caused by the nuclear weapons used in the Second World War:
Many will be puzzled about the statement that practically all known mutant
genes are harmful. For mutations are a necessary part of the process of
evolution. How can a good effect-evolution to higher forms of life-result
from mutations practically all of which are harmful?20
Every effort put into "generating a useful mutation" has resulted in
failure. For decades, evolutionists carried out many experiments to produce
mutations in fruit flies, as these insects reproduce very rapidly and so
mutations would show up quickly. Generation upon generation of these flies
were mutated, yet no useful mutation was ever observed. The evolutionist
geneticist Gordon Taylor writes thus:
Since the beginning of the twentieth century, evolutionary biologists have
sought examples of useful mutations by creating mutant flies. But these
efforts have always resulted in sick and deformed creatures. The left
picture shows the head of a normal fruit fly, and the picture on the right
shows the head of fruit fly with legs coming out of it, the result of
mutation.
It is a striking, but not much mentioned fact that, though geneticists have
been breeding fruit-flies for sixty years or more in labs all round the
world- flies which produce a new generation every eleven days-they have
never yet seen the emergence of a new species or even a new enzyme.21
Mutant frogs born with crippled legs.
Another researcher, Michael Pitman, comments on the failure of the
experiments carried out on fruit flies:
Morgan, Goldschmidt, Muller, and other geneticists have subjected
generations of fruit flies to extreme conditions of heat, cold, light, dark,
and treatment by chemicals and radiation. All sorts of mutations,
practically all trivial or positively deleterious, have been produced.
Man-made evolution? Not really: Few of the geneticists' monsters could have
survived outside the bottles they were bred in. In practice mutants die, are
sterile, or tend to revert to the wild type.22
The same holds true for man. All mutations that have been observed in human
beings have had deleterious results. All mutations that take place in humans
result in physical deformities, in infirmities such as mongolism, Down
syndrome, albinism, dwarfism or cancer. Needless to say, a process that
leaves people disabled or sick cannot be "an evolutionary
mechanism"-evolution is supposed to produce forms that are better fitted to
survive.
A mutant fly with
deformed wings.
The American pathologist David A. Demick notes the following in a scientific
article about mutations:
Literally thousands of human diseases associated with genetic mutations have
been catalogued in recent years, with more being described continually. A
recent reference book of medical genetics listed some 4,500 different
genetic diseases. Some of the inherited syndromes characterized clinically
in the days before molecular genetic analysis (such as Marfan's syndrome)
are now being shown to be heterogeneous; that is, associated with many
different mutations... With this array of human diseases that are caused by
mutations, what of positive effects? With thousands of examples of harmful
mutations readily available, surely it should be possible to describe some
positive mutations if macroevolution is true. These would be needed not only
for evolution to greater complexity, but also to offset the downward pull of
the many harmful mutations. But, when it comes to identifying positive
mutations, evolutionary scientists are strangely silent.23
The only instance evolutionary biologists give of "useful mutation" is the
disease known as sickle cell anemia. In this, the hemoglobin molecule, which
serves to carry oxygen in the blood, is damaged as a result of mutation, and
undergoes a structural change. As a result of this, the hemoglobin
molecule's ability to carry oxygen is seriously impaired. People with sickle
cell anemia suffer increasing respiratory difficulties for this reason.
However, this example of mutation, which is discussed under blood disorders
in medical textbooks, is strangelyevaluated by some evolutionary biologists
as a "useful mutation."
The shape and functions of red corpuscles are compromised in sickle-cell
anemia. For this reason, their oxygen-carrying capacities are weakened.
They say that the partial immunity to malaria by those with the illness is a
"gift" of evolution. Using the same logic, one could say that, since people
born with genetic leg paralysis are unable to walk and so are saved from
being killed in traffic accidents, therefore genetic leg paralysis is a
"useful genetic feature." This logic is clearly totally unfounded.
It is obvious that mutations are solely a destructive mechanism. Pierre-Paul
Grassé, former president of the French Academy of Sciences, is quite clear
on this point in a comment he made about mutations. Grassé compared
mutations to "making mistakes in the letters when copying a written text."
And as with mutations, letter mistakes cannot give rise to any information,
but merely damage such information as already exists. Grassé explained this
fact in this way:
Mutations, in time, occur incoherently. They are not complementary to one
another, nor are they cumulative in successive generations toward a given
direction. They modify what preexists, but they do so in disorder, no matter
how.. As soon as some disorder, even slight, appears in an organized being,
sickness, then death follow. There is no possible compromise between the
phenomenon of life and anarchy.24
So for that reason, as Grassé puts it, "No matter how numerous they may be,
mutations do not produce any kind of evolution."25
http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/mechanisms06.html
19 B. G. Ranganathan, Origins?, Pennsylvania: The Banner Of Truth Trust,
1988. (emphasis added)
20 Warren Weaver et al., "Genetic Effects of Atomic Radiation", Science,
vol. 123, June 29, 1956, p. 1159. (emphasis added)
21 Gordon Rattray Taylor, The Great Evolution Mystery, Abacus, Sphere Books,
London, 1984, p. 48.
22 Michael Pitman, Adam and Evolution, River Publishing, London, 1984, p.
70. (emphasis added)
23 David A. Demick, "The Blind Gunman", Impact, no. 308, February 1999.
(emphasis added)
24 Pierre-Paul Grassé, Evolution of Living Organisms, Academic Press, New
York, 1977, p. 97, 98.
25 Pierre-Paul Grassé, Evolution of Living Organisms, Academic Press, New
York, 1977, p. 88. (emphasis added)
--
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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| Title: Re: Mutations Are Not An Evolutionary "Magic Wand" |
28 Jun 2007 10:05:28 PM |
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In article <5eaj4gF378h0kU1@mid.individual.net>, Aaron Kim
<aaron@artbulla.com> wrote:
Typical hypocritical atheist. The atheists have hijacked
alt.religion.mormon, trying to enlighten us with their wisdom on our
religion. We have no problems dealing with coherent opposing views from the
other side but they rarely argue if at all from the scriptures and engage in
name calling bathroom scrawls. Atheists like yourself bash God in your
newsgroup constantly so it is fair to challenge your belief in why you don't
think God exists.
Ah. So, all of this is just your little I'm-gonna-get-even hissy-fit?
Listen, you god-soaked bleater, it isn't atheists who come around to
your house on Saturday morning ruining a perfectly good beer. It isn't
atheists who have ornate buildings of worship on every street corner
that are exempt from paying for the services they suck from the rest of
us. It isn't atheists who have their slogans on our money or their
fools in charge of the government. It isn't atheists who fly planes
into buildings, cut the clits off little girls or throw acid in their
faces when they grow a little older. It isn't atheists who blow up
mosques, abortion clinics or our soldiers. It isn't atheists who turn
the love of a fellow human being into something dirty and shameful. It
isn't atheists who make unscientific claims so that the real world
won't conflict with their silly Late Stone Age Middle Eastern creation
myths.
It's you, you little *****. You and your brothers and sisters. And it's
YOU we're afraid of, for some of the reasons I've already mentioned and
a whole lot more. It isn't your magic sky daddy, your speshul underwear
or even your books. It's complete moronic assholes like you, who come
into our houses and ***** on our carpets like the untrained and
uncivilized mongrels you really are. You are frightful. You are
medieval. You are the reason I am armed. There are so fucking many of
you and so few of us, and I'm not stupid enough to believe the dark
ages can't come again (which gives you a huge throbbing woody, doesn't
it), and I won't go down without taking a few of you with me.
Save yourself from the terrible wrath of the evil evolutionist
atheists. Go drink bleach, you idiotic little cretin. Followed by a
malathion chaser. Learn some REAL chemistry. Maybe Moroni will save
you. I couldn't care less.
-chib
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Member of S.M.A.S.H.
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "Hatter" |
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| Title: Re: Mutations Are Not An Evolutionary "Magic Wand" |
26 Jun 2007 02:59:55 PM |
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On Jun 25, 3:25 pm, "Aaron Kim" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:
"The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN." <hugh.ja...@heathens.org.uk> wrote in
messagenews:1182798197.281192.30430@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 25, 7:03 pm, "Aaron Kim" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:
Mutations ar
<SMACK>
Why are you Mormons posting in alt.atheism? Your postings are not, in
any
event, discussion, they are pontification. They have no scientific
merit
whatsoever, they have no rational merit whatsoever, and you have no
intention of entertaining any honest replies to them whatsoever.
Usenet is becoming polluted with your, and other people's pointless
contributions to the point where it is in danger of becoming unusable.
The solution is simple: you do not crosspost your pontifications to
alt.atheism, or any other secular newsgroups where they are simply an
annoyance. If you view atheists with that much contempt and hatred,
as
obviously you do, then keep your opinions to yourselves.
Typical hypocritical atheist. The atheists have hijacked
alt.religion.mormon, trying to enlighten us with their wisdom on our
religion. We have no problems dealing with coherent opposing views from the
other side but they rarely argue if at all from the scriptures and engage in
name calling bathroom scrawls. Atheists like yourself bash God in your
newsgroup constantly so it is fair to challenge your belief in why you don't
think God exists. It's fair to challenge your belief in Darwinism. If you
really believed in search for the truth you would be open to discuss this
matter but we've discovered that atheists are basically dogmatic in their
beliefs in evolution. The relevancy is obvious. What's your problem? Can't
stand your beliefs being challenged? This article shows plainly the fallacy
of evolution to anyone with common sense except rabid atheists.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Who started this thread? Who Crossposted it to three Groups? Why Aaron
Kim!
On May 24th, was the first post to alt.atheism by Aaron Kim a reply to
a crossposted thread? No!
This mean Aaron Kim is DEMONSTRATED to be a liar. Any claim of moral
highground by atheist highjacking, are very clearly, a lie. He has no
moral fiber and all claims made by him are to be suspect.
Hatter
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| User: "The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN." |
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25 Jun 2007 02:43:04 PM |
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On Jun 25, 8:25 pm, "Aaron Kim" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:
"The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN." <hugh.ja...@heathens.org.uk> wrote in
messagenews:1182798197.281192.30430@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 25, 7:03 pm, "Aaron Kim" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:
Mutations ar
<SMACK>
Why are you Mormons posting in alt.atheism? Your postings are not, in
any
event, discussion, they are pontification. They have no scientific
merit
whatsoever, they have no rational merit whatsoever, and you have no
intention of entertaining any honest replies to them whatsoever.
Usenet is becoming polluted with your, and other people's pointless
contributions to the point where it is in danger of becoming unusable.
The solution is simple: you do not crosspost your pontifications to
alt.atheism, or any other secular newsgroups where they are simply an
annoyance. If you view atheists with that much contempt and hatred,
as
obviously you do, then keep your opinions to yourselves.
Typical hypocritical atheist. The atheists have hijacked
alt.religion.mormon, trying to enlighten us with their wisdom on our
religion. We have no problems dealing with coherent opposing views from the
other side but they rarely argue if at all from the scriptures
That's because scriptures have no value in a factual investigation of
anything. You just conceded the whole debate.
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| User: "Aaron Kim" |
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| Title: Re: Mutations Are Not An Evolutionary "Magic Wand" |
25 Jun 2007 04:20:47 PM |
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"The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN." <hugh.jarse@heathens.org.uk> wrote in
message news:1182800584.621036.129770@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 25, 8:25 pm, "Aaron Kim" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:
"The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN." <hugh.ja...@heathens.org.uk> wrote in
messagenews:1182798197.281192.30430@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 25, 7:03 pm, "Aaron Kim" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:
Mutations ar
<SMACK>
Why are you Mormons posting in alt.atheism? Your postings are not, in
any
event, discussion, they are pontification. They have no scientific
merit
whatsoever, they have no rational merit whatsoever, and you have no
intention of entertaining any honest replies to them whatsoever.
Usenet is becoming polluted with your, and other people's pointless
contributions to the point where it is in danger of becoming unusable.
The solution is simple: you do not crosspost your pontifications to
alt.atheism, or any other secular newsgroups where they are simply an
annoyance. If you view atheists with that much contempt and hatred,
as
obviously you do, then keep your opinions to yourselves.
Typical hypocritical atheist. The atheists have hijacked
alt.religion.mormon, trying to enlighten us with their wisdom on our
religion. We have no problems dealing with coherent opposing views from
the
other side but they rarely argue if at all from the scriptures
That's because scriptures have no value in a factual investigation of
anything. You just conceded the whole debate.
Scriptures are revelations from God. All you have is your word that it's not
true while I have the testimony of myself, the testimony of many others,
signs, and wonders, etc. You are just a snooty atheist.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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26 Jun 2007 02:32:28 PM |
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Aaron Kim <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote in alt.atheism
The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN. wrote in
That's because scriptures have no value in a factual investigation of
anything. You just conceded the whole debate.
Scriptures are revelations from God. All you have is your word that it's not
true while I have the testimony of myself, the testimony of many others,
signs, and wonders, etc. You are just a snooty atheist.
Have you never actually researched Joseph Smith? He was one
of the biggest liars and con men on the planet.
The Book of Abraham Papyri is proof positive he was a liar.
http://www.carm.org/lds/ldspapyri.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds_bkab.htm
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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26 Jun 2007 02:36:03 PM |
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:32:28 -0500, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Aaron Kim <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote in alt.atheism
The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN. wrote in
That's because scriptures have no value in a factual investigation of
anything. You just conceded the whole debate.
Scriptures are revelations from God. All you have is your word that it's not
true while I have the testimony of myself, the testimony of many others,
signs, and wonders, etc. You are just a snooty atheist.
What is it with these morons?
Have you never actually researched Joseph Smith? He was one
of the biggest liars and con men on the planet.
Even that doesn't really matter. Even Mormons are entitled to their
religion as long as it only impacts them.
***** and Kim on the other hand, have neither the common sense nor
courtesy to keep their question-begging stupidity to themselves.
The Book of Abraham Papyri is proof positive he was a liar.
http://www.carm.org/lds/ldspapyri.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds_bkab.htm
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| User: "Aaron Kim" |
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| Title: Re: Mutations Are Not An Evolutionary "Magic Wand" |
28 Jun 2007 09:49:51 AM |
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"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:32:28 -0500, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Aaron Kim <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote in alt.atheism
The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN. wrote in
That's because scriptures have no value in a factual investigation of
anything. You just conceded the whole debate.
Scriptures are revelations from God. All you have is your word that it's
not
true while I have the testimony of myself, the testimony of many others,
signs, and wonders, etc. You are just a snooty atheist.
What is it with these morons?
Have you never actually researched Joseph Smith? He was one
of the biggest liars and con men on the planet.
Even that doesn't really matter. Even Mormons are entitled to their
religion as long as it only impacts them.
***** and Kim on the other hand, have neither the common sense nor
courtesy to keep their question-begging stupidity to themselves.
You're entitled to your religion of evolution as long as you don't force it
down our throats through the school systems.
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: Mutations Are Not An Evolutionary "Magic Wand" |
28 Jun 2007 06:45:34 PM |
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"Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote in message
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"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:32:28 -0500, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
You're entitled to your religion of evolution as long as you don't force
it down our throats through the school systems.
Evolution is NOT a religion. Evolution is the scientific basis for how man
and other
animals evolved into their present form.
Get an education before you try to force your religious nonsense on
children.
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| User: "Aaron Kim" |
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| Title: Re: Mutations Are Not An Evolutionary "Magic Wand" |
16 Jul 2007 12:20:45 AM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote in message
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"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:32:28 -0500, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
You're entitled to your religion of evolution as long as you don't force
it down our throats through the school systems.
Evolution is NOT a religion. Evolution is the scientific basis for how man
and other
animals evolved into their present form.
No one saw evolution happen over the 4 plus billion of years. No one saw the
Big Bang. It's all speculation. Not a single transitional fossil has been
found. All the study done on mutations of animals like fruit flies through
exposure to radiation show only deformities or disease or death. No, not one
beneficial genetic increase. That's all it is, just faith by superstitious
atheists desperate to find another way life was created other than by God.
Get an education before you try to force your religious nonsense on
children.
Stop trying to ram your atheist superstition on children.
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| User: "John Smith" |
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16 Jul 2007 09:41:37 PM |
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"Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote in message
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote in message
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"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:32:28 -0500, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
You're entitled to your religion of evolution as long as you don't force
it down our throats through the school systems.
Evolution is NOT a religion. Evolution is the scientific basis for how
man and other
animals evolved into their present form.
No one saw evolution happen over the 4 plus billion of years.
No, but scientists have seen evolution happen over a lifetime.
When was the last time anyone had any valid and sane evidence for
creatinoism or god?
No one saw the VAST majority of murders committed that landed the murders in
jail.
No one saw the resurrection of geezus.
No one "saw" Monica giving head to Bill.
No one SAW you land on your head, several times, when you kept falling.
No one saw the
Big Bang. It's all speculation.
No; it is conclusion from the evidence.
Not a single transitional fossil has been
found.
Yes, they have.
The problem is that you have no clue about evolution enough to RECOGNIZE a
"transitional" fossil.
All the study done on mutations of animals like fruit flies through
exposure to radiation show only deformities or disease or death.
Do you have a scientific reference for this, or is it still nothing more
than your ignorant troll bellowing?
No, not one
beneficial genetic increase. That's all it is, just faith by superstitious
atheists desperate to find another way life was created other than by God.
Get an education before you try to force your religious nonsense on
children.
Stop trying to ram your atheist superstition on children.
Atheism is not a superstition.
Evolution is not a superstition.
Atheism is not evolutionism.
Evolutionism is not atheism.
You are not ...... not ...... not ......... hell, other than a completely
ignorant troll .... exactly WHAT are you?
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| User: "Tokay Pino Gris" |
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17 Jul 2007 07:45:56 PM |
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Aaron Kim wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote in message
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"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:32:28 -0500, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
You're entitled to your religion of evolution as long as you don't
force it down our throats through the school systems.
Evolution is NOT a religion. Evolution is the scientific basis for how
man and other
animals evolved into their present form.
No one saw evolution happen over the 4 plus billion of years.
Wrong. Ask any microbiologist you like. hell, ask me. I fight resistant
strains of bacteria all the time.
No one saw
the Big Bang. It's all speculation.
Got a better explanation? Let`s hear it. And "goddidit" is not better.
Not a single transitional fossil has
been found.
Wrong. Absolutely, totally wrong. Just not true. repeating Lies does not
make them true.
All the study done on mutations of animals like fruit flies
through exposure to radiation show only deformities or disease or death.
Wrong. Check again.
No, not one beneficial genetic increase.
Wrong. Check it.
That's all it is, just faith by
superstitious atheists desperate to find another way life was created
other than by God.
Yeah, I know. You guys bore me. "God". Nice. Explains nothing.
Get an education before you try to force your religious nonsense on
children.
Stop trying to ram your atheist superstition on children.
If you have a better explanation, do tell. Or shut up. "goddidit" is
*****.
Tokay
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"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared
to what lies within us."
Ralph Emerson
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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16 Jul 2007 07:57:24 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 22:20:45 -0700 there was an Ancient "Aaron Kim"
<aaron@artbulla.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
No one saw evolution happen over the 4 plus billion of years.
Lie.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
We've seen evolution in action.
No one saw the Big Bang. It's all speculation.
Lie.
http://www.leyada.jlm.k12.il/proj/black/evidence.htm
We have plenty of evidence for the Big Bang
Not a single transitional fossil has been found.
Lie.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section1.html#pred4
Plenty of transitionals.
All the study done on mutations of animals like fruit flies through
exposure to radiation show only deformities or disease or death. No, not one
beneficial genetic increase.
Lie.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/chance/chance.html
That's all it is, just faith by superstitious
atheists desperate to find another way life was created other than by God.
No, all you have is a pack of easily refuted lies.
Tell me, if you were told that your child had advanced cancer, and was
facing a lingering, painful death, would you:
a: Allow medical science, based entirely on evolutionary biology, to
administer a cure with a 90% chance of success, or
b: pray for a miracle, which happens so rarely as to be statistically
insignificant.
Get an education before you try to force your religious nonsense on
children.
Stop trying to ram your atheist superstition on children.
We can back up our claims in lab experiements over and over again. Can
you?
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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28 Jun 2007 02:56:45 PM |
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In article <5eidr4F39enspU2@mid.individual.net> "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com> writes:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:8gq283lfpg2ur3ps1efki0e8pjhhuohmn8@4ax.com...
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:32:28 -0500, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Aaron Kim <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote in alt.atheism
The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN. wrote in
That's because scriptures have no value in a factual investigation of
anything. You just conceded the whole debate.
Scriptures are revelations from God. All you have is your word that it's
not
true while I have the testimony of myself, the testimony of many others,
signs, and wonders, etc. You are just a snooty atheist.
What is it with these morons?
Have you never actually researched Joseph Smith? He was one
of the biggest liars and con men on the planet.
Even that doesn't really matter. Even Mormons are entitled to their
religion as long as it only impacts them.
***** and Kim on the other hand, have neither the common sense nor
courtesy to keep their question-begging stupidity to themselves.
You're entitled to your religion of evolution as long as you don't force it
down our throats through the school systems.
Are we entitled to our Atomic Theory of Matter, as long as we
don't force it down your throats throught the school system?
How about our Germ Theory of Disease?
-- cary
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29 Jun 2007 04:55:54 PM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:f613pt$skq$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
In article <5eidr4F39enspU2@mid.individual.net> "Aaron Kim"
<aaron@artbulla.com> writes:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:8gq283lfpg2ur3ps1efki0e8pjhhuohmn8@4ax.com...
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:32:28 -0500, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Aaron Kim <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote in alt.atheism
The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN. wrote in
That's because scriptures have no value in a factual investigation
of
anything. You just conceded the whole debate.
Scriptures are revelations from God. All you have is your word that
it's
not
true while I have the testimony of myself, the testimony of many
others,
signs, and wonders, etc. You are just a snooty atheist.
What is it with these morons?
Have you never actually researched Joseph Smith? He was one
of the biggest liars and con men on the planet.
Even that doesn't really matter. Even Mormons are entitled to their
religion as long as it only impacts them.
***** and Kim on the other hand, have neither the common sense nor
courtesy to keep their question-begging stupidity to themselves.
You're entitled to your religion of evolution as long as you don't force
it
down our throats through the school systems.
Are we entitled to our Atomic Theory of Matter, as long as we
don't force it down your throats throught the school system?
How about our Germ Theory of Disease?
-- cary
Bad try, liar. They're not the same. Don't compare facts with improvable
speculation.
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02 Jul 2007 12:34:51 PM |
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In article <5eldfeF3834v9U1@mid.individual.net> "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:f613pt$skq$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
In article <5eidr4F39enspU2@mid.individual.net> "Aaron Kim"
<aaron@artbulla.com> writes:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:8gq283lfpg2ur3ps1efki0e8pjhhuohmn8@4ax.com...
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:32:28 -0500, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Aaron Kim <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote in alt.atheism
The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN. wrote in
That's because scriptures have no value in a factual investigation
of
anything. You just conceded the whole debate.
Scriptures are revelations from God. All you have is your word that
it's
not
true while I have the testimony of myself, the testimony of many
others,
signs, and wonders, etc. You are just a snooty atheist.
What is it with these morons?
Have you never actually researched Joseph Smith? He was one
of the biggest liars and con men on the planet.
Even that doesn't really matter. Even Mormons are entitled to their
religion as long as it only impacts them.
***** and Kim on the other hand, have neither the common sense nor
courtesy to keep their question-begging stupidity to themselves.
You're entitled to your religion of evolution as long as you don't force
it
down our throats through the school systems.
Are we entitled to our Atomic Theory of Matter, as long as we
don't force it down your throats throught the school system?
How about our Germ Theory of Disease?
-- cary
Bad try, liar.
Asking you a question is "lying"?
How so?
Oopsie, did I just lie again, then?
They're not the same. Don't compare facts with improvable
speculation.
Chemists define what is and is not chemistry.
And biologists define what is and what is not biology.
-- cary
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| User: "Davej" |
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03 Jul 2007 12:10:30 PM |
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On Jun 28, 9:49 am, "Aaron Kim" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:
[...]
You're entitled to your religion of evolution as long as you don't force it
down our throats through the school systems.
What is the purpose of the school system then? To only teach only what
the bumpkins approve of?
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29 Jun 2007 07:08:24 AM |
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[snips]
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:49:51 -0700, Aaron Kim wrote:
You're entitled to your religion of evolution
You can repeat your lie as often as you wish, that will not make it the
truth. Of course, any faith which requires outright lying, such as yours
obviously does, isn't worth having, now is it? If it were, you wouldn't
*need* to lie to support it; it would stand on its own merits.
It's amazing to me how many religious types invalidate their own beliefs
this way; if they actually thought their beliefs were valid, they'd simply
let those beliefs stand _as they are_. Instead, they have to lie through
their teeth to support the beliefs, showing that they, themselves, don't
regard the beliefs as worthy enough to stand without lying about them.
Pretty sad, to believe so strongly in something you, yourself, keep
demonstrating isn't worthy of belief.
--
You know next to nothing about the theory like every other Fundie
I've run across before you. - George Rudzinski. Then you obviously
have meet some very knowledgeable fundies. - Raoul Newton
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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26 Jun 2007 02:59:29 PM |
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Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Aaron Kim <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote in alt.atheism
The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN. wrote in
That's because scriptures have no value in a factual investigation of
anything. You just conceded the whole debate.
Scriptures are revelations from God. All you have is your word that it's not
true while I have the testimony of myself, the testimony of many others,
signs, and wonders, etc. You are just a snooty atheist.
What is it with these morons?
Have you never actually researched Joseph Smith? He was one
of the biggest liars and con men on the planet.
Even that doesn't really matter. Even Mormons are entitled to their
religion as long as it only impacts them.
He was whining about atheists not being willing to use scriptures to
defend their position, and I was just proving him wrong.
***** and Kim on the other hand, have neither the common sense nor
courtesy to keep their question-begging stupidity to themselves.
He obviously thinks he knows more than he does.
The Book of Abraham Papyri is proof positive he was a liar.
http://www.carm.org/lds/ldspapyri.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds_bkab.htm
If you ever feel like challenging a mormon, the above is enough
to make most of them run away with their tails between their legs...
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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26 Jun 2007 03:02:36 PM |
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:59:29 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Aaron Kim <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote in alt.atheism
The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN. wrote in
That's because scriptures have no value in a factual investigation of
anything. You just conceded the whole debate.
Scriptures are revelations from God. All you have is your word that it's not
true while I have the testimony of myself, the testimony of many others,
signs, and wonders, etc. You are just a snooty atheist.
What is it with these morons?
Have you never actually researched Joseph Smith? He was one
of the biggest liars and con men on the planet.
Even that doesn't really matter. Even Mormons are entitled to their
religion as long as it only impacts them.
He was whining about atheists not being willing to use scriptures to
defend their position, and I was just proving him wrong.
Which just showed what a retard he is.
***** and Kim on the other hand, have neither the common sense nor
courtesy to keep their question-begging stupidity to themselves.
He obviously thinks he knows more than he does.
The Book of Abraham Papyri is proof positive he was a liar.
http://www.carm.org/lds/ldspapyri.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds_bkab.htm
If you ever feel like challenging a mormon, the above is enough
to make most of them run away with their tails between their legs...
The only time I normally feel the need to is when they're at rthe
front door. Distracting me from more importsnt things.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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29 Jun 2007 11:14:27 AM |
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Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in alt.atheism
The Book of Abraham Papyri is proof positive he was a liar.
http://www.carm.org/lds/ldspapyri.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds_bkab.htm
If you ever feel like challenging a mormon, the above is enough
to make most of them run away with their tails between their legs...
The only time I normally feel the need to is when they're at the
front door. Distracting me from more important things.
How often does that happen, though? Once or twice a year?
Why not use some ammo against them while you're here on Usenet,
since you seem to spend so much time here? Calling them liars doesn't
really do much, does it? Prove to them their beloved prophet was a
liar, and maybe they'll see the light...
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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25 Jun 2007 05:55:32 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:20:47 -0700, Aaron Kim wrote:
"The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN." <hugh.jarse@heathens.org.uk> wrote in
message news:1182800584.621036.129770@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 25, 8:25 pm, "Aaron Kim" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:
"The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN." <hugh.ja...@heathens.org.uk> wrote in
messagenews:1182798197.281192.30430@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 25, 7:03 pm, "Aaron Kim" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:
Mutations ar
<SMACK>
Why are you Mormons posting in alt.atheism? Your postings are not,
in any
event, discussion, they are pontification. They have no scientific
merit
whatsoever, they have no rational merit whatsoever, and you have no
intention of entertaining any honest replies to them whatsoever.
Usenet is becoming polluted with your, and other people's pointless
contributions to the point where it is in danger of becoming
unusable.
The solution is simple: you do not crosspost your pontifications to
alt.atheism, or any other secular newsgroups where they are simply
an annoyance. If you view atheists with that much contempt and
hatred, as
obviously you do, then keep your opinions to yourselves.
Typical hypocritical atheist. The atheists have hijacked
alt.religion.mormon, trying to enlighten us with their wisdom on our
religion. We have no problems dealing with coherent opposing views
from the
other side but they rarely argue if at all from the scriptures
That's because scriptures have no value in a factual investigation of
anything. You just conceded the whole debate.
Scriptures are revelations from God. All you have is your word that it's
not true while I have the testimony of myself, the testimony of many
others, signs, and wonders, etc. You are just a snooty atheist.
Testimony is specious. You have *no evidence any gods exist.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards,
witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling
from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical,
absurd and primitive stories, and you say that *we* are the
ones that need help?" - Jon Stoll
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| User: "Kelsey Bjarnason" |
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29 Jun 2007 03:40:10 PM |
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[snips]
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:20:47 -0700, Aaron Kim wrote:
Scriptures are revelations from God. All you have is your word that it's not
true while I have the testimony of myself, the testimony of many others,
signs, and wonders, etc.
That's kinda he problem, though, ain't it - that you actually think those
are good enough standards to base your conclusions on.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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25 Jun 2007 05:55:01 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:25:01 -0700, Aaron Kim wrote:
"The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN." <hugh.jarse@heathens.org.uk> wrote in
message news:1182798197.281192.30430@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 25, 7:03 pm, "Aaron Kim" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:
Mutations ar
<SMACK>
Why are you Mormons posting in alt.atheism? Your postings are not, in
any
event, discussion, they are pontification. They have no scientific
merit
whatsoever, they have no rational merit whatsoever, and you have no
intention of entertaining any honest replies to them whatsoever.
Usenet is becoming polluted with your, and other people's pointless
contributions to the point where it is in danger of becoming unusable.
The solution is simple: you do not crosspost your pontifications to
alt.atheism, or any other secular newsgroups where they are simply an
annoyance. If you view atheists with that much contempt and hatred, as
obviously you do, then keep your opinions to yourselves.
Typical hypocritical atheist. The atheists have hijacked
alt.religion.mormon, trying to enlighten us with their wisdom on our
religion.
Hm...
1 Peter 3:9...
"Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing,
because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing."
So, since you believe in obeying the bible as much as I, an atheist, do,
should I welcome you to atheism?
We have no problems dealing with coherent opposing views from
the other side but they rarely argue if at all from the scriptures and
engage in name calling bathroom scrawls. Atheists like yourself bash God
in your newsgroup constantly so it is fair to challenge your belief in
why you don't think God exists. It's fair to challenge your belief in
Darwinism. If you really believed in search for the truth you would be
open to discuss this matter but we've discovered that atheists are
basically dogmatic in their beliefs in evolution. The relevancy is
obvious. What's your problem? Can't stand your beliefs being challenged?
This article shows plainly the fallacy of evolution to anyone with
common sense except rabid atheists.
Because you, having discovered you are god, could not *possibly be wrong
huh?
You can bash evolution all day. There's a century and a half of evidence
behind evolutionary theory and you just make yourself look like a fool
trying to attack it without knowing any of it.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards,
witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling
from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical,
absurd and primitive stories, and you say that *we* are the
ones that need help?" - Jon Stoll
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27 Jun 2007 06:45:07 PM |
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[snips]
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:25:01 -0700, Aaron Kim wrote:
Typical hypocritical atheist. The atheists have hijacked
alt.religion.mormon
Never been there, so kindly take your self-serving ***** and ram it
sideways up your preferred orifice.
--
Stewie: Blast you and your estrogenical tyranny!
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25 Jun 2007 02:22:00 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:03:53 -0700, "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com>
wrote:
Aaron, we already understand that you don't know what the hell you're
babbling about. There's really no need to go to so much trouble to
drive the point home.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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25 Jun 2007 05:46:15 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:03:53 -0700, Aaron Kim wrote:
Mutations<snip>
Shut up you ignorant fool.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
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25 Jun 2007 04:17:19 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:03:53 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Aaron Kim"
<aaron@artbulla.com> in <5eaecbF37fbcgU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
Mutations are defined as breaks or replacements taking place in the DNA
molecule,
No, they are not. They are defined as changes or imperfect
replication. You really should learn some of the basic of the field
you want to criticize.
which is found in the nuclei of the cells of a living organism and
which contains all its genetic information. These breaks or replacements are
the result of external effects such as radiation or chemical action.
They are *sometimes* the results of external actions, sometimes of
internal, and sometimes they just happen. Read up on Shannon for a
primer on this.
Every
mutation is an "accident,"
What do you mean by "accident" and why the scare quotes? By
*observation* mutations are random with respect to selection criteria.
That is, a mutation for thicker fur will happen with the same
frequency in warm and cool times.
and either damages the nucleotides making up the
DNA or changes their locations.
Nope, changes the sequence is better than "damages", but it still does
not capture what mutations can do. Whole genes can duplicate, sections
can duplicate and reverse, sections can multiple many times, etc.
Again, when your ideas conflict with observation the observation wins.
Most of the time, they cause so much damage
and modification that the cell cannot repair them.
That is, usually mutations are *selected* out.
Mutation, which evolutionists frequently hide behind, is not a magic wand
that transforms living organisms into a more advanced and perfect form.
No, but *evolution*, which consists, roughly speaking, of mutation,
selection, and drift, can lead to organisms with different traits.
Biologists tend to leave questions of "advanced" and "perfect" to
others.
The
direct effect of mutations is harmful.
Nope, the direct effect is change. Some changes are harmful, some
beneficial, some neutral. By *observation* most point mutations are
neutral.
The changes effected by mutations can
only be like those experienced by people in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and
Chernobyl: that is, death, disability, and freaks of nature.
Yes, they can be. They can also be like the family in Italy that is
immune to most forms of congestive heart failure.
The reason for this is very simple: DNA has a very complex structure, and
random effects can only damage it. Biologist B. G. Ranganathan states:
DNA is actually pretty simple, but the can be long DNA sequences.
First, genuine mutations are very rare in nature.
Each live human has about 4-6 mutations they do not share with either
parent. Call that rare if you wish.
Secondly, most mutations
are harmful since they are random, rather than orderly changes in the
structure of genes;any random change in a highy ordered system will be for
the worse, not for the better.
It is too bad you have not seen your way to read some biology. People
have actually gone and look at organisms to see what happens. You seem
to think that you can assert things about the world and make it so.
For example, if an earthquake were to shake a
highly ordered structure such as a building, there would be a random change
in the framework of the building, which, in all probability, would not be an
improvement.19
Not surprisingly, no useful mutation has been so far observed.
I am more than surprised, I think you are a lying. You make this claim
as though you know what you are talking about. The Bible says lying is
a sin.
All mutations
have proved to be harmful.
Nope. And I know people have shown you otherwise.
[snip]
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Pt. Lurk Pt." |
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25 Jun 2007 01:39:22 PM |
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artbullshitta wrote
Mutation, which evolutionists frequently hide behind, is not a magic wand
that transforms living organisms into a more advanced and perfect form.
*BZZZZZT*!! The idea of 'a more advanced and perfect form' has no meaning in
evolutionary theory. No evolutionary biologist ever claims that this is what
mutation produces. Therefore you are an idiot who doesn't know what he's
talking about; therefore we should ignore your post.
Thanks for playing, though. It's great to think that you wasted all that
time copying and pasting!
L.
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25 Jun 2007 02:05:19 PM |
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"Pt. Lurk" <Pt. Lurk@renvcom.net> wrote in message
news:uZTfi.1360$KE1.322@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
artbullshitta wrote
Mutation, which evolutionists frequently hide behind, is not a magic wand
that transforms living organisms into a more advanced and perfect form.
*BZZZZZT*!! The idea of 'a more advanced and perfect form' has no meaning
in evolutionary theory. No evolutionary biologist ever claims that this is
what mutation produces. Therefore you are an idiot who doesn't know what
he's talking about; therefore we should ignore your post.
Thanks for playing, though. It's great to think that you wasted all that
time copying and pasting!
That's a lie. I would think that it would take advancement for molecules to
evolve into man.
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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25 Jun 2007 03:10:58 PM |
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Aaron Kim wrote:
"Pt. Lurk" <Pt. Lurk@renvcom.net> wrote in message
news:uZTfi.1360$KE1.322@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
artbullshitta wrote
Mutation, which evolutionists frequently hide behind, is not a magic wand
that transforms living organisms into a more advanced and perfect form.
*BZZZZZT*!! The idea of 'a more advanced and perfect form' has no meaning
in evolutionary theory. No evolutionary biologist ever claims that this is
what mutation produces. Therefore you are an idiot who doesn't know what
he's talking about; therefore we should ignore your post.
Thanks for playing, though. It's great to think that you wasted all that
time copying and pasting!
That's a lie. I would think that it would take advancement for molecules to
evolve into man.
Might be difficult for you to comprehend the theory of evolution if
you think that way. Good luck....
Jim
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