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"Gactimus" |
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09 Nov 2004 11:47:36 AM |
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My Advice For The Democratic Party |
(Note: For the purposes of the post, I am setting ideology aside and giving my best,
most honest, advice to the Democrats about what they need to do to revive their
political fortunes. If any of the conservatives reading RWN are worried about that --
don't -- they'll never listen to a conservative).
This is going to be hard for a lot of Democrats to accept, particularly liberals, but
quite simply put, today's Democratic Party is very out of step with the majority of
Americans.
Are you a Democrat who doesn't buy that?
Well then, why is it George Bush was openly calling himself a "compassionate
conservative" while John Kerry had to hide his liberalism? Why is it that George Bush
was able to run successful attack ads that did little more than in effect say, "John
Kerry is a liberal"? Did you notice that at the end of the campaign, John Kerry was
giving speeches about his "faith," hunting, waving semi-automatic shotguns around, and
desperately trying to convince the country that there was nothing that he loved doing
more than killing terrorists? Come on, let's be honest here -- If Democrats really
thought that's what John Kerry was like, he could have never won the nomination.
Furthermore, have you Dems taken five minutes to consider how some of the things you say
and do look and sound to people who aren't other hard core Democrats? What does it say
when you have a guy like Michael Moore who compared Iraqi insurgents to the Minutemen
and has said over and over that Americans are stupid sitting beside President Carter at
the Democratic National Convention? You think Rush Limbaugh is venomous? Have you ever
listened to or read Maureen Dowd, Paul Krugman, Bob Herbert, Ted Rall, Al Franken,
Michael Moore, Janeane Garofalo, Bill Moyers, Al Gore, Wesley Clark, Molly Ivins, Robert
Scheer, Mark Morford, Eric Alterman, and dozens and dozens of other liberals and asked
yourself how vicious they sound in comparison? Hey, people don't trust a party that has
so many prominent members who seem to spend most of their time sputtering in rage and
showing complete contempt for people who disagree with them.
That's enough examples, let's get to the crux of the problem.
The Democratic Party is probably roughly split 40/60 between libs and moderates.
However, all the energy, excitement, and enthusiasm is on the left side of the party.
The problem is that those same people are POLITICAL POISON.
In fact, they're so extreme and out of touch that they're driving a lot of moderates out
of your party. That's part of the reason why more Republicans than Democrats voted in an
election for the first time on Nov. 2nd. It's also why the South, which used to be full
of yellow dog Democrats who'd never dream of voting for a Republican, has now for the
most part gone red. They didn't really leave the Democratic Party; the Democratic Party
left them.
And you know what the real danger is? That the Democratic party goes into a "death
spiral" which features moderates leaving the party for the GOP because they can't deal
with the extremism of the liberals, which allows liberals to get stronger in the party,
which causes more moderates to leave the party, which allows liberals to get stronger,
and so on, and so on, and so on until the Democratic party is completely marginalized.
You Dems want to get back into it? Stop running liberals like John Kerry who have to run
from their record. Get serious about national defense and start getting behind "John
Kennedys" and "Scoop Jacksons" instead of "Jimmy Carters" and "Walter Mondales". Stop
drooling over ultra-libs like Michael Moore and a bunch of Hollywood actors who turn off
middle-America. Find some issues that your liberal base can live with, that you think
will resonate with the American people, and that you feel comfortable defending
intellectually with something other than a variation of "you're mean" or "you're
stupid" & you'll start to make some progress. But continuing to run as "not
Republicans" isn't going to cut it.
Republicans are far from invulnerable, but a bunch of bile spewing liberals who pretend
to be quasi-conservatives for a few months around election time aren't going to beat the
GOP long-term. So if the Democratic Party wants to win and keep winning, it's going to
have to change...
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| User: "ZenIsWhen" |
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| Title: Re: My Advice For The Democratic Party |
09 Nov 2004 03:53:41 PM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:1100022456.nQHQt85hfCLuaXW8CaZYRQ@bubbanews...
(Note: For the purposes of the post, I am setting ideology aside and
giving my best,
most honest, advice to the Democrats about what they need to do to revive
their
political fortunes. If any of the conservatives reading RWN are worried
about that --
don't -- they'll never listen to a conservative).
This is going to be hard for a lot of Democrats to accept, particularly
liberals, but
quite simply put, today's Democratic Party is very out of step with the
majority of
Americans.
Are you a Democrat who doesn't buy that?
Well then, why is it George Bush was openly calling himself a
"compassionate
conservative" while John Kerry had to hide his liberalism? Why is it that
George Bush
was able to run successful attack ads that did little more than in effect
say, "John
Kerry is a liberal"? Did you notice that at the end of the campaign, John
Kerry was
giving speeches about his "faith," hunting, waving semi-automatic shotguns
around, and
desperately trying to convince the country that there was nothing that he
loved doing
more than killing terrorists? Come on, let's be honest here -- If
Democrats really
thought that's what John Kerry was like, he could have never won the
nomination.
Furthermore, have you Dems taken five minutes to consider how some of the
things you say
and do look and sound to people who aren't other hard core Democrats? What
does it say
when you have a guy like Michael Moore who compared Iraqi insurgents to
the Minutemen
and has said over and over that Americans are stupid sitting beside
President Carter at
the Democratic National Convention? You think Rush Limbaugh is venomous?
Have you ever
listened to or read Maureen Dowd, Paul Krugman, Bob Herbert, Ted Rall, Al
Franken,
Michael Moore, Janeane Garofalo, Bill Moyers, Al Gore, Wesley Clark, Molly
Ivins, Robert
Scheer, Mark Morford, Eric Alterman, and dozens and dozens of other
liberals and asked
yourself how vicious they sound in comparison? Hey, people don't trust a
party that has
so many prominent members who seem to spend most of their time sputtering
in rage and
showing complete contempt for people who disagree with them.
That's enough examples, let's get to the crux of the problem.
The Democratic Party is probably roughly split 40/60 between libs and
moderates.
However, all the energy, excitement, and enthusiasm is on the left side of
the party.
The problem is that those same people are POLITICAL POISON.
In fact, they're so extreme and out of touch that they're driving a lot of
moderates out
of your party. That's part of the reason why more Republicans than
Democrats voted in an
election for the first time on Nov. 2nd. It's also why the South, which
used to be full
of yellow dog Democrats who'd never dream of voting for a Republican, has
now for the
most part gone red. They didn't really leave the Democratic Party; the
Democratic Party
left them.
And you know what the real danger is? That the Democratic party goes into
a "death
spiral" which features moderates leaving the party for the GOP because
they can't deal
with the extremism of the liberals, which allows liberals to get stronger
in the party,
which causes more moderates to leave the party, which allows liberals to
get stronger,
and so on, and so on, and so on until the Democratic party is completely
marginalized.
You Dems want to get back into it? Stop running liberals like John Kerry
who have to run
from their record. Get serious about national defense and start getting
behind "John
Kennedys" and "Scoop Jacksons" instead of "Jimmy Carters" and "Walter
Mondales". Stop
drooling over ultra-libs like Michael Moore and a bunch of Hollywood
actors who turn off
middle-America. Find some issues that your liberal base can live with,
that you think
will resonate with the American people, and that you feel comfortable
defending
intellectually with something other than a variation of "you're mean" or
"you're
stupid" & you'll start to make some progress. But continuing to run as
"not
Republicans" isn't going to cut it.
Republicans are far from invulnerable, but a bunch of bile spewing
liberals who pretend
to be quasi-conservatives for a few months around election time aren't
going to beat the
GOP long-term. So if the Democratic Party wants to win and keep winning,
it's going to
have to change...
Your comments would have made sense - about forty years ago.
There has been a concentrated effort, for the past few decades (even openly
shown as being the plan) by both the extreme right wing of the republican
party - and the extremist right wing of the christian religion to "take over
the power of this nation".
As shown by the primaries, campaign and actual election, these extremists
(with men like Carl Rove at the center) will stop at noting to get the power
they want. It is no longer the past political process - where both
candidates had an equal chance, and only relatively minor smears appeared.
Today's (republican) politician has a "win at all costs" attitude - no
matter how down and dirty they get.
Today's fundamentalist christians (who are mere fools following other power
hungry maniacs like Robertson, Limbaugh, Falwell and Kennedy) act like
mindless sheep - who would rather let thousands die in illegal wars, than
let two gay men marry. They are men of the same ilk as Rove ... get power,
at ALL costs. That's why the fanatical zealots of both right wing
christianity and right wing republicanism are such good bed-partners.
In a group of 100 people who intend to "play fair", it only takes one power
hungry maniac to control EVERYTHING .... and that's akin to what is
happening here.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: My Advice For The Democratic Party |
09 Nov 2004 04:02:09 PM |
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On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:53:41 -0500, "ZenIsWhen"
<ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote:
Your comments would have made sense - about forty years ago.
There has been a concentrated effort, for the past few decades (even openly
shown as being the plan) by both the extreme right wing of the republican
party - and the extremist right wing of the christian religion to "take over
the power of this nation".
As shown by the primaries, campaign and actual election, these extremists
(with men like Carl Rove at the center) will stop at noting to get the power
they want. It is no longer the past political process - where both
candidates had an equal chance, and only relatively minor smears appeared.
Today's (republican) politician has a "win at all costs" attitude - no
matter how down and dirty they get.
They were behind the term limits amendements in the states that had
them, and they were behind the campaign to get Clinton using any and
all means.
You left Kenneth Starr out of the list below.
Today's fundamentalist christians (who are mere fools following other power
hungry maniacs like Robertson, Limbaugh, Falwell and Kennedy) act like
mindless sheep - who would rather let thousands die in illegal wars, than
let two gay men marry. They are men of the same ilk as Rove ... get power,
at ALL costs. That's why the fanatical zealots of both right wing
christianity and right wing republicanism are such good bed-partners.
In a group of 100 people who intend to "play fair", it only takes one power
hungry maniac to control EVERYTHING .... and that's akin to what is
happening here.
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: My Advice For The Democratic Party |
09 Nov 2004 04:27:29 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:53:41 -0500, "ZenIsWhen"
<ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote:
Your comments would have made sense - about forty years ago.
There has been a concentrated effort, for the past few decades (even openly
shown as being the plan) by both the extreme right wing of the republican
party - and the extremist right wing of the christian religion to "take over
the power of this nation".
As shown by the primaries, campaign and actual election, these extremists
(with men like Carl Rove at the center) will stop at noting to get the power
they want. It is no longer the past political process - where both
candidates had an equal chance, and only relatively minor smears appeared.
Today's (republican) politician has a "win at all costs" attitude - no
matter how down and dirty they get.
They were behind the term limits amendements in the states that had
them, and they were behind the campaign to get Clinton using any and
all means.
You left Kenneth Starr out of the list below.
Today's fundamentalist christians (who are mere fools following other power
hungry maniacs like Robertson, Limbaugh, Falwell and Kennedy) act like
mindless sheep - who would rather let thousands die in illegal wars, than
let two gay men marry. They are men of the same ilk as Rove ... get power,
at ALL costs. That's why the fanatical zealots of both right wing
christianity and right wing republicanism are such good bed-partners.
In a group of 100 people who intend to "play fair", it only takes one power
hungry maniac to control EVERYTHING .... and that's akin to what is
happening here.
Who knows, perhaps he'll be nominated for the Supreme Court. Serving,
of course, under Chief Justice Clarence Thomas or Chief Justice John
Ashcroft...
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| User: "Ronin" |
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| Title: Re: My Advice For The Democratic Party |
11 Nov 2004 02:47:32 PM |
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I refute all you people who claim that the Dems need to appeal to this
group of radical uneducated people that Rove got off their butts.
Dems will never appeal to them. This election does NOT prove that Dems
are suddenly out of step with the American people. It proves that
more people got energized to vote against the Dems. There are plenty
of people out there who are against Bush and his neo-cons and the
christian agenda. They just didn't get scared enough of the current
situation to vote. For instance, as you all know, college students
slacked off again.
What the Dems need to do is energize THEIR base. Get people to realize
that health care, insurance, women's rights, veteran's benefits,
social security, etc... are threatened NOW, not in some indeterminate
future. They are being lost NOW. Put the fear of Bush into them and
maybe they'll vote next time. Then everyone will say "Oh look! The
entire country just swung the other way!" No, we just energized our
base.
And what about the President of Diebold? Does all that just go away
now that the election is over? Doesn't that still irk anyone that he
promised to deliver Ohio (I think that was the state) to Bush? Just a
little?
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| User: "Douglas D. Anderson" |
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| Title: Re: My Advice For The Democratic Party |
11 Nov 2004 05:01:58 PM |
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"Ronin" <roninfromde@yahoo.com> wrote
I refute all you people who claim that the Dems need to appeal to this
group of radical uneducated people that Rove got off their butts.
You need to learn English. You are "disputing", not "refuting". Truth refutes
falsehood, you are merely presenting your opinions.
Dems will never appeal to them. This election does NOT prove that Dems
are suddenly out of step with the American people. It proves that
more people got energized to vote against the Dems. There are plenty
of people out there who are against Bush and his neo-cons and the
christian agenda. They just didn't get scared enough of the current
situation to vote. For instance, as you all know, college students
slacked off again.
Note the use of the word "students", not "experts"; although many
students _think_ they are experts, confusing the thoughts of their
teachers for their own.
What the Dems need to do is energize THEIR base. Get people to realize
that health care, insurance, women's rights, veteran's benefits,
social security, etc... are threatened NOW, not in some indeterminate
future.
You need to be armed with facts. Since the Republicans have controlled
Washington, the expenditures on health and human services have gone
up nearly 25% from the Clinton era. Social Security is a seperate fund,
not part of the Federal budget, and the reason it's funds are shrinking is
the disparity between the numbers of the younger work force and the
older "baby boomers" now approaching retirement. This phenomena
has nothing to do with politics, or only the politics of the post war
bedroom.
They are being lost NOW. Put the fear of Bush into them and
maybe they'll vote next time. Then everyone will say "Oh look! The
entire country just swung the other way!" No, we just energized our
base.
And what about the President of Diebold? Does all that just go away
now that the election is over? Doesn't that still irk anyone that he
promised to deliver Ohio (I think that was the state) to Bush? Just a
little?
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| User: "Hagar" |
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| Title: Re: My Advice For The Democratic Party |
11 Nov 2004 03:37:58 PM |
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"Ronin" <roninfromde@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:97e4cd34.0411111247.2b155a17@posting.google.com...
What the Dems need to do is energize THEIR base. Get people to realize
that health care,
They do indeed remember Hillary's health care fiasco.
They also know shysters like John Edwards, aka ambulance chasers, whose
irresponsible lawsuits to a large degree contribute to the high heath care
costs.
social security, etc... are threatened
Everything bad that has happened to Social Security since its inception, has
been the result of a democratic majority vote. The Dems actually think it's
THEIR money and we, the peons, are not deserving of their largesse.
As long as you run with candidates whose wealth was earned the Democratic
way, by marrying it, who have illusions of grandeur, multiple positions on
all issues, opinions on all social & economic issues, but no solutions to
anything, the Democratic party will always be the party of losers.
Standing on your own two feet is an alien concept.
Being responsible for your actions is unheard of.
If it doesn't work, throw more money at it, after all, it's not your money.
If you fail, it's society's fault, not yours.
I wish birth control was retro-active.
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| User: "Mel" |
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| Title: Re: My Advice For The Democratic Party |
12 Nov 2004 11:09:36 AM |
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On 11 Nov 2004 12:47:32 -0800, (Ronin) wrote in
message <97e4cd34.0411111247.2b155a17@posting.google.com>:
I refute all you people who claim that the Dems need to appeal to this
group of radical uneducated people that Rove got off their butts.
Dems will never appeal to them. This election does NOT prove that Dems
are suddenly out of step with the American people. It proves that
more people got energized to vote against the Dems. There are plenty
of people out there who are against Bush and his neo-cons and the
christian agenda.
really?
They just didn't get scared enough of the current
situation to vote.
one way or another, they voted.
i don't have any sympathy for people who complain about their government if
they didn't bother to exercise their vote.
For instance, as you all know, college students
slacked off again.
What the Dems need to do is energize THEIR base.
too late.
Get people to realize
that health care, insurance, women's rights, veteran's benefits,
social security, etc... are threatened NOW, not in some indeterminate
future. They are being lost NOW.
you make it sound as if a GOP government is incapable of making good
choices.
Put the fear of Bush into them and
maybe they'll vote next time.
too late. Bush isn't running next time.
Then everyone will say "Oh look! The
entire country just swung the other way!" No, we just energized our
base.
Why did Clinton defeat Bush Snr. in the polls?
--
smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
Cape Town news
http://adderleystreet.co.za/capetown/
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| User: "Damian" |
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| Title: Re: My Advice For The Democratic Party |
11 Nov 2004 03:39:16 PM |
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Ronin wrote:
I refute all you people who claim that the Dems need to appeal to this
group of radical uneducated people that Rove got off their butts.
Dems will never appeal to them. This election does NOT prove that Dems
are suddenly out of step with the American people. It proves that
more people got energized to vote against the Dems. There are plenty
of people out there who are against Bush and his neo-cons and the
christian agenda. They just didn't get scared enough of the current
situation to vote. For instance, as you all know, college students
slacked off again.
What the Dems need to do is energize THEIR base. Get people to realize
that health care, insurance, women's rights, veteran's benefits,
social security, etc... are threatened NOW, not in some indeterminate
future. They are being lost NOW. Put the fear of Bush into them and
maybe they'll vote next time. Then everyone will say "Oh look! The
entire country just swung the other way!" No, we just energized our
base.
And what about the President of Diebold? Does all that just go away
now that the election is over? Doesn't that still irk anyone that he
promised to deliver Ohio (I think that was the state) to Bush? Just a
little?
Translation: People who live in Allentown, PA are just as liberal and out of
touch as people who live in Boston.
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: My Advice For The Democratic Party |
11 Nov 2004 04:24:26 PM |
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Ronin wrote:
I refute all you people who claim that the Dems need to appeal to this
group of radical uneducated people that Rove got off their butts.
Dems will never appeal to them. This election does NOT prove that Dems
are suddenly out of step with the American people. It proves that
more people got energized to vote against the Dems. There are plenty
of people out there who are against Bush and his neo-cons and the
christian agenda. They just didn't get scared enough of the current
situation to vote. For instance, as you all know, college students
slacked off again.
I think that the Democrats need to reach out to everyone, regardless of
religious belief. The last Shrub administration damaged all of us
economically, but those issues were overshadowed by ideological red
herrings, while the Democrats foolishly went along.
What the Dems need to do is energize THEIR base. Get people to realize
that health care, insurance, women's rights, veteran's benefits,
social security, etc... are threatened NOW, not in some indeterminate
future. They are being lost NOW. Put the fear of Bush into them and
maybe they'll vote next time. Then everyone will say "Oh look! The
entire country just swung the other way!" No, we just energized our
base.
Right, but the Democrats need to tone down the social agenda to bring in
people who would rather feed their souls than their children.
And what about the President of Diebold? Does all that just go away
now that the election is over? Doesn't that still irk anyone that he
promised to deliver Ohio (I think that was the state) to Bush? Just a
little?
The people who won don't care about that, and those who lost will be
embittered. Nothing will be accomplished unless someone turns this into
a really juicy scandal. I, for one, would love to see that. I just
love watching politicos squirm, especially when there is justification
for the reasons.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: My Advice For The Democratic Party |
09 Nov 2004 05:28:38 PM |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:27:29 GMT, cactus
<baldemar.malnariz@ubadlands.edu> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:53:41 -0500, "ZenIsWhen"
<ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote:
Your comments would have made sense - about forty years ago.
There has been a concentrated effort, for the past few decades (even openly
shown as being the plan) by both the extreme right wing of the republican
party - and the extremist right wing of the christian religion to "take over
the power of this nation".
As shown by the primaries, campaign and actual election, these extremists
(with men like Carl Rove at the center) will stop at noting to get the power
they want. It is no longer the past political process - where both
candidates had an equal chance, and only relatively minor smears appeared.
Today's (republican) politician has a "win at all costs" attitude - no
matter how down and dirty they get.
They were behind the term limits amendements in the states that had
them, and they were behind the campaign to get Clinton using any and
all means.
You left Kenneth Starr out of the list below.
Today's fundamentalist christians (who are mere fools following other power
hungry maniacs like Robertson, Limbaugh, Falwell and Kennedy) act like
mindless sheep - who would rather let thousands die in illegal wars, than
let two gay men marry. They are men of the same ilk as Rove ... get power,
at ALL costs. That's why the fanatical zealots of both right wing
christianity and right wing republicanism are such good bed-partners.
In a group of 100 people who intend to "play fair", it only takes one power
hungry maniac to control EVERYTHING .... and that's akin to what is
happening here.
Who knows, perhaps he'll be nominated for the Supreme Court. Serving,
of course, under Chief Justice Clarence Thomas or Chief Justice John
Ashcroft...
And Moore.
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| User: "Raymond E. Griffith" |
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| Title: Re: My Advice For The Democratic Party |
09 Nov 2004 06:19:47 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:qkk2p05k279e1is4vpj4a8vsjecufneql4@4ax.com...
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:27:29 GMT, cactus
<baldemar.malnariz@ubadlands.edu> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:53:41 -0500, "ZenIsWhen"
<ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote:
Your comments would have made sense - about forty years ago.
There has been a concentrated effort, for the past few decades (even
openly
shown as being the plan) by both the extreme right wing of the
republican
party - and the extremist right wing of the christian religion to "take
over
the power of this nation".
As shown by the primaries, campaign and actual election, these
extremists
(with men like Carl Rove at the center) will stop at noting to get the
power
they want. It is no longer the past political process - where both
candidates had an equal chance, and only relatively minor smears
appeared.
Today's (republican) politician has a "win at all costs" attitude - no
matter how down and dirty they get.
They were behind the term limits amendements in the states that had
them, and they were behind the campaign to get Clinton using any and
all means.
You left Kenneth Starr out of the list below.
Today's fundamentalist christians (who are mere fools following other
power
hungry maniacs like Robertson, Limbaugh, Falwell and Kennedy) act like
mindless sheep - who would rather let thousands die in illegal wars,
than
let two gay men marry. They are men of the same ilk as Rove ... get
power,
at ALL costs. That's why the fanatical zealots of both right wing
christianity and right wing republicanism are such good bed-partners.
In a group of 100 people who intend to "play fair", it only takes one
power
hungry maniac to control EVERYTHING .... and that's akin to what is
happening here.
Who knows, perhaps he'll be nominated for the Supreme Court. Serving,
of course, under Chief Justice Clarence Thomas or Chief Justice John
Ashcroft...
And Moore.
Ahh yes, the estimable personage who wrote in one of his legal opinions that
homosexuality was so abhorrent that the State should "use the power of the
sword" to eliminate it. And he wondered why homosexuals thought they
couldn't get justice in his court.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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09 Nov 2004 04:49:54 PM |
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cactus wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:53:41 -0500, "ZenIsWhen"
<ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote:
Your comments would have made sense - about forty years ago.
There has been a concentrated effort, for the past few decades
(even openly shown as being the plan) by both the extreme right
wing of the republican party - and the extremist right wing of the
christian religion to "take over the power of this nation".
As shown by the primaries, campaign and actual election, these
extremists (with men like Carl Rove at the center) will stop at
noting to get the power they want. It is no longer the past
political process - where both candidates had an equal chance, and
only relatively minor smears appeared. Today's (republican)
politician has a "win at all costs" attitude - no matter how down
and dirty they get.
They were behind the term limits amendements in the states that had
them, and they were behind the campaign to get Clinton using any and
all means.
You left Kenneth Starr out of the list below.
Today's fundamentalist christians (who are mere fools following
other power hungry maniacs like Robertson, Limbaugh, Falwell and
Kennedy) act like mindless sheep - who would rather let thousands
die in illegal wars, than let two gay men marry. They are men of
the same ilk as Rove ... get power, at ALL costs. That's why the
fanatical zealots of both right wing christianity and right wing
republicanism are such good bed-partners. In a group of 100 people who
intend to "play fair", it only takes
one power hungry maniac to control EVERYTHING .... and that's akin
to what is happening here.
Who knows, perhaps he'll be nominated for the Supreme Court. Serving,
of course, under Chief Justice Clarence Thomas or Chief Justice John
Ashcroft...
Two great choices; Thomas and Ashcroft. Clinton was disbarred, he won't get
a nomination.
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09 Nov 2004 06:27:26 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.nut> wrote in message
news:1100040597.Iu05EMt0f6Czj98EVl8WeA@teranews...
cactus wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:53:41 -0500, "ZenIsWhen"
<ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote:
Your comments would have made sense - about forty years ago.
There has been a concentrated effort, for the past few decades
(even openly shown as being the plan) by both the extreme right
wing of the republican party - and the extremist right wing of the
christian religion to "take over the power of this nation".
As shown by the primaries, campaign and actual election, these
extremists (with men like Carl Rove at the center) will stop at
noting to get the power they want. It is no longer the past
political process - where both candidates had an equal chance, and
only relatively minor smears appeared. Today's (republican)
politician has a "win at all costs" attitude - no matter how down
and dirty they get.
They were behind the term limits amendements in the states that had
them, and they were behind the campaign to get Clinton using any and
all means.
You left Kenneth Starr out of the list below.
Today's fundamentalist christians (who are mere fools following
other power hungry maniacs like Robertson, Limbaugh, Falwell and
Kennedy) act like mindless sheep - who would rather let thousands
die in illegal wars, than let two gay men marry. They are men of
the same ilk as Rove ... get power, at ALL costs. That's why the
fanatical zealots of both right wing christianity and right wing
republicanism are such good bed-partners. In a group of 100 people who
intend to "play fair", it only takes
one power hungry maniac to control EVERYTHING .... and that's akin
to what is happening here.
Who knows, perhaps he'll be nominated for the Supreme Court. Serving,
of course, under Chief Justice Clarence Thomas or Chief Justice John
Ashcroft...
Two great choices; Thomas and Ashcroft. Clinton was disbarred, he won't
get
a nomination.
Ahh, John Ashcroft! Are you sure you want to live in his America? No right
to counsel, no trial by jury, torture permitted -- all on the executive
branch's sayso. "Biblical Law" superceding the constitution, so we would
have stoning again.
And of course, "Biblical Law" would be determined by the parties most in
power or the preachers with the loudest voices who weren't caught boffing
their secretaries. Our own fatwahs handed down by preachers to their eager
gun-toting congregations. A "council of preachers" able to strike down
unBiblical legislation and countermand the executive branch!
Hmmm. Sounds like the Iranian States of America.
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09 Nov 2004 07:03:16 PM |
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"Raymond E. Griffith" <rgriffit@ctc.net> wrote in post
StydnQ0U6vTy_QzcRVn-ig@ctc.net on 11/9/04 5:27 PM:
Ahh, John Ashcroft! Are you sure you want to live in his America? No right
to counsel, no trial by jury, torture permitted -- all on the executive
branch's sayso. "Biblical Law" superceding the constitution, so we would
have stoning again.
And of course, "Biblical Law" would be determined by the parties most in
power or the preachers with the loudest voices who weren't caught boffing
their secretaries. Our own fatwahs handed down by preachers to their eager
gun-toting congregations. A "council of preachers" able to strike down
unBiblical legislation and countermand the executive branch!
Hmmm. Sounds like the Iranian States of America.
It is sad, ironic, and frightening that the people in America who claim to
be most against dangerous religious fundamentalists are very much like those
they hate.
--
If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law.
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://snipurl.com/BurdenOfProof)
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09 Nov 2004 07:47:20 PM |
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"Snit" <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote in message
news:BDB6B6E4.10086%SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID...
"Raymond E. Griffith" <rgriffit@ctc.net> wrote in post
StydnQ0U6vTy_QzcRVn-ig@ctc.net on 11/9/04 5:27 PM:
Ahh, John Ashcroft! Are you sure you want to live in his America? No
right
to counsel, no trial by jury, torture permitted -- all on the executive
branch's sayso. "Biblical Law" superceding the constitution, so we would
have stoning again.
And of course, "Biblical Law" would be determined by the parties most in
power or the preachers with the loudest voices who weren't caught
boffing
their secretaries. Our own fatwahs handed down by preachers to their
eager
gun-toting congregations. A "council of preachers" able to strike down
unBiblical legislation and countermand the executive branch!
Hmmm. Sounds like the Iranian States of America.
It is sad, ironic, and frightening that the people in America who claim to
be most against dangerous religious fundamentalists are very much like
those
they hate.
I often hear Christian fundamentalists talk about how terrible the Islamic
fundamentalists are -- and they have no idea how much they are like them, or
would be given the proper opportunity.
Christian fundamentalists eagerly demand their own rights, but all too often
are willing to strike down the rights of others. They distrust the
government, but want to control the government to enforce their own
"morality" standards. What they will find, should they get their way, is
that they will be oppressed every bit as much as those they desire to
oppress. It is a pity they cannot see that.
--
If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law.
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://snipurl.com/BurdenOfProof)
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| User: "Snit" |
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09 Nov 2004 07:52:25 PM |
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"Raymond E. Griffith" <rgriffit@ctc.net> wrote in post
UJ-dnRMBsoy37gzcRVn-tQ@ctc.net on 11/9/04 6:47 PM:
Ahh, John Ashcroft! Are you sure you want to live in his America? No right
to counsel, no trial by jury, torture permitted -- all on the executive
branch's sayso. "Biblical Law" superceding the constitution, so we would
have stoning again.
And of course, "Biblical Law" would be determined by the parties most in
power or the preachers with the loudest voices who weren't caught boffing
their secretaries. Our own fatwahs handed down by preachers to their eager
gun-toting congregations. A "council of preachers" able to strike down
unBiblical legislation and countermand the executive branch!
Hmmm. Sounds like the Iranian States of America.
It is sad, ironic, and frightening that the people in America who claim to be
most against dangerous religious fundamentalists are very much like those
they hate.
I often hear Christian fundamentalists talk about how terrible the Islamic
fundamentalists are -- and they have no idea how much they are like them, or
would be given the proper opportunity.
They are alike in far more ways than they are different.
Christian fundamentalists eagerly demand their own rights, but all too often
are willing to strike down the rights of others. They distrust the government,
but want to control the government to enforce their own "morality" standards.
What they will find, should they get their way, is that they will be oppressed
every bit as much as those they desire to oppress. It is a pity they cannot
see that.
Agreed.
--
If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law.
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://snipurl.com/BurdenOfProof)
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| User: "George Graves" |
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10 Nov 2004 12:46:15 AM |
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In article <UJ-dnRMBsoy37gzcRVn-tQ@ctc.net>,
"Raymond E. Griffith" <rgriffit@ctc.net> wrote:
"Snit" <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote in message
news:BDB6B6E4.10086%SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID...
"Raymond E. Griffith" <rgriffit@ctc.net> wrote in post
StydnQ0U6vTy_QzcRVn-ig@ctc.net on 11/9/04 5:27 PM:
Ahh, John Ashcroft! Are you sure you want to live in his America? No
right
to counsel, no trial by jury, torture permitted -- all on the executive
branch's sayso. "Biblical Law" superceding the constitution, so we would
have stoning again.
And of course, "Biblical Law" would be determined by the parties most in
power or the preachers with the loudest voices who weren't caught
boffing
their secretaries. Our own fatwahs handed down by preachers to their
eager
gun-toting congregations. A "council of preachers" able to strike down
unBiblical legislation and countermand the executive branch!
Hmmm. Sounds like the Iranian States of America.
It is sad, ironic, and frightening that the people in America who claim to
be most against dangerous religious fundamentalists are very much like
those
they hate.
I often hear Christian fundamentalists talk about how terrible the Islamic
fundamentalists are -- and they have no idea how much they are like them, or
would be given the proper opportunity.
You've got that right!
--
George Graves
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Knowledge is good.
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| User: "cactus" |
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09 Nov 2004 06:09:21 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
cactus wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:53:41 -0500, "ZenIsWhen"
<ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote:
Your comments would have made sense - about forty years ago.
There has been a concentrated effort, for the past few decades
(even openly shown as being the plan) by both the extreme right
wing of the republican party - and the extremist right wing of the
christian religion to "take over the power of this nation".
As shown by the primaries, campaign and actual election, these
extremists (with men like Carl Rove at the center) will stop at
noting to get the power they want. It is no longer the past
political process - where both candidates had an equal chance, and
only relatively minor smears appeared. Today's (republican)
politician has a "win at all costs" attitude - no matter how down
and dirty they get.
They were behind the term limits amendements in the states that had
them, and they were behind the campaign to get Clinton using any and
all means.
You left Kenneth Starr out of the list below.
Today's fundamentalist christians (who are mere fools following
other power hungry maniacs like Robertson, Limbaugh, Falwell and
Kennedy) act like mindless sheep - who would rather let thousands
die in illegal wars, than let two gay men marry. They are men of
the same ilk as Rove ... get power, at ALL costs. That's why the
fanatical zealots of both right wing christianity and right wing
republicanism are such good bed-partners. In a group of 100 people who
intend to "play fair", it only takes
one power hungry maniac to control EVERYTHING .... and that's akin
to what is happening here.
Who knows, perhaps he'll be nominated for the Supreme Court. Serving,
of course, under Chief Justice Clarence Thomas or Chief Justice John
Ashcroft...
Two great choices; Thomas and Ashcroft. Clinton was disbarred, he won't get
a nomination.
I believe that Clinton was disbarred from the Supreme Court only, and
that his Arkansas Bar membership was suspended for 5 years. I don't
think he'll be nominated under the Shrub administration anyway.
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| User: "Ike" |
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09 Nov 2004 02:33:36 PM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:1100022456.nQHQt85hfCLuaXW8CaZYRQ@bubbanews...
(Note: For the purposes of the post, I am setting ideology aside and
giving my best,
most honest, advice to the Democrats about what they need to do to revive
their
political fortunes. If any of the conservatives reading RWN are worried
about that --
don't -- they'll never listen to a conservative).
This is going to be hard for a lot of Democrats to accept, particularly
liberals, but
quite simply put, today's Democratic Party is very out of step with the
majority of
Americans.
Are you a Democrat who doesn't buy that?
Well then, why is it George Bush was openly calling himself a
"compassionate
conservative" while John Kerry had to hide his liberalism? Why is it that
George Bush
was able to run successful attack ads that did little more than in effect
say, "John
Kerry is a liberal"? Did you notice that at the end of the campaign, John
Kerry was
giving speeches about his "faith," hunting, waving semi-automatic shotguns
around, and
desperately trying to convince the country that there was nothing that he
loved doing
more than killing terrorists? Come on, let's be honest here -- If
Democrats really
thought that's what John Kerry was like, he could have never won the
nomination.
Because racism is the unspoken undercurrent of the campaign. Compassionate
Conservatism is code for helping white people. The democrats can't go there
because they are afraid to spook the white majority (soon to be a minority
but hanging on the the voting majority). The gun lobby is a potential army
of white power, in case of civil disorder. The war on terror, although I
feel it is long overdue, also has a racial component. neither party can
afford (overtly) to play the race card right now, because either one would
stand to lose votes. The Democrats would lose white votes and the
Republicans would lose black and hispanic votes.
Furthermore, have you Dems taken five minutes to consider how some of the
things you say
and do look and sound to people who aren't other hard core Democrats? What
does it say
when you have a guy like Michael Moore who compared Iraqi insurgents to
the Minutemen
and has said over and over that Americans are stupid sitting beside
President Carter at
the Democratic National Convention? You think Rush Limbaugh is venomous?
Have you ever
listened to or read Maureen Dowd, Paul Krugman, Bob Herbert, Ted Rall, Al
Franken,
Michael Moore, Janeane Garofalo, Bill Moyers, Al Gore, Wesley Clark, Molly
Ivins, Robert
Scheer, Mark Morford, Eric Alterman, and dozens and dozens of other
liberals and asked
yourself how vicious they sound in comparison? Hey, people don't trust a
party that has
so many prominent members who seem to spend most of their time sputtering
in rage and
showing complete contempt for people who disagree with them.
Then why do people trust the Republican party which spends a lot of time
sputtering in rage and showing complete contempt for people who disagree
with it?
That's enough examples, let's get to the crux of the problem.
The Democratic Party is probably roughly split 40/60 between libs and
moderates.
However, all the energy, excitement, and enthusiasm is on the left side of
the party.
The problem is that those same people are POLITICAL POISON.
What's poison for you might be meat for me. The election was very close and
Ohio might have been in question.
In fact, they're so extreme and out of touch that they're driving a lot of
moderates out
of your party. That's part of the reason why more Republicans than
Democrats voted in an
election for the first time on Nov. 2nd. It's also why the South, which
used to be full
of yellow dog Democrats who'd never dream of voting for a Republican, has
now for the
most part gone red. They didn't really leave the Democratic Party; the
Democratic Party
left them.
But on the other hand, if the Democrats tried to emulate the fascists, where
is the choice? And your idea of people leaving the party is anecdotal and
self-serving.
And you know what the real danger is? That the Democratic party goes into
a "death
spiral" which features moderates leaving the party for the GOP because
they can't deal
with the extremism of the liberals, which allows liberals to get stronger
in the party,
which causes more moderates to leave the party, which allows liberals to
get stronger,
and so on, and so on, and so on until the Democratic party is completely
marginalized.
The real danger is the Republican party in control. But if we just get past
the war, then the Democrats get to pick up the pieces.
You Dems want to get back into it? Stop running liberals like John Kerry
who have to run
from their record.
Any senator can be smeared on a record.
Get serious about national defense and start getting behind "John
Kennedys" and "Scoop Jacksons" instead of "Jimmy Carters" and "Walter
Mondales".
Getting serious about national defense is something reagan should have done
rather than turning tail when the Marine barracks in Lebanon was bombed. In
fact it could be argued that the Republicans put the chill on Clinton when
he wanted to go after Al Quaeda. I am sick of the political posturing about
national defense. national defense starts with helping the poor, protecting
family farms, hospitality to immigrants who love America and want to defend
it, helping military families to live decently, taking care of veterans, and
of course good equipment and training. Xenophobia and racial favoritism,
both at home and in foreign affairs are dead-end streets for national
defense
Stop
drooling over ultra-libs like Michael Moore and a bunch of Hollywood
actors who turn off
middle-America. Find some issues that your liberal base can live with,
that you think
will resonate with the American people, and that you feel comfortable
defending
intellectually with something other than a variation of "you're mean" or
"you're
stupid" & you'll start to make some progress. But continuing to run as
"not
Republicans" isn't going to cut it.
So Michael Moore made a film and got some attention. Get over it.
Republicans are far from invulnerable,
Oh? How about now?
but a bunch of bile spewing liberals who pretend
to be quasi-conservatives for a few months around election time aren't
going to beat the
GOP long-term. So if the Democratic Party wants to win and keep winning,
it's going to
have to change...
And you would like them all to get with the program. It's not going to
happen; for one reason is America has too much to lose economically.
--
Freedom of thought entails no "Intellectual Property".
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| User: "philo" |
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09 Nov 2004 12:53:26 PM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:1100022456.nQHQt85hfCLuaXW8CaZYRQ@bubbanews...
(Note: For the purposes of the post, I am setting ideology aside and
giving my best,
most honest, advice to the Democrats about what they need to do to revive
their
political fortunes. If any of the conservatives reading RWN are worried
about that --
don't -- they'll never listen to a conservative).
<snip>
sounds like a serious problem...
maybe you need to perform a system restore ?
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| User: "Dr. Bill" |
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09 Nov 2004 01:47:58 PM |
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Gactimus AKA Xomicron wrote:
<snipped crap unread>
Read this peanut's usenet fuckwittery at the "Retard Roundup: Xomicron -
Bumbling Lamer and Denser than Igneous Rock "
http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/xomicron.html
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| User: "forge" |
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10 Nov 2004 08:35:22 PM |
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In article <41911e93$0$822$3a628fcd@textreader.nntp.hccnet.nl>,
"Dr. Bill" <bill_dctrREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote:
Gactimus AKA Xomicron wrote:
<snipped crap unread>
Read this peanut's usenet fuckwittery at the "Retard Roundup: Xomicron -
Bumbling Lamer and Denser than Igneous Rock "
http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/xomicron.html
"Cannot find server"
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| User: "Dr. Bill" |
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11 Nov 2004 08:15:20 AM |
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forge wrote:
In article <41911e93$0$822$3a628fcd@textreader.nntp.hccnet.nl>,
"Dr. Bill" <bill_dctrREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote:
Gactimus AKA Xomicron wrote:
<snipped crap unread>
Read this peanut's usenet fuckwittery at the "Retard Roundup:
Xomicron - Bumbling Lamer and Denser than Igneous Rock "
http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/xomicron.html
"Cannot find server"
You forger!
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| User: "cactus" |
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09 Nov 2004 01:42:20 PM |
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Gactimus wrote:
(Note: For the purposes of the post, I am setting ideology aside and giving my best,
most honest, advice to the Democrats about what they need to do to revive their
political fortunes. If any of the conservatives reading RWN are worried about that --
don't -- they'll never listen to a conservative).
This is going to be hard for a lot of Democrats to accept, particularly liberals, but
quite simply put, today's Democratic Party is very out of step with the majority of
Americans.
Are you a Democrat who doesn't buy that?
Well then, why is it George Bush was openly calling himself a "compassionate
conservative" while John Kerry had to hide his liberalism? Why is it that George Bush
was able to run successful attack ads that did little more than in effect say, "John
Kerry is a liberal"? Did you notice that at the end of the campaign, John Kerry was
giving speeches about his "faith," hunting, waving semi-automatic shotguns around, and
desperately trying to convince the country that there was nothing that he loved doing
more than killing terrorists? Come on, let's be honest here -- If Democrats really
thought that's what John Kerry was like, he could have never won the nomination.
Furthermore, have you Dems taken five minutes to consider how some of the things you say
and do look and sound to people who aren't other hard core Democrats? What does it say
when you have a guy like Michael Moore who compared Iraqi insurgents to the Minutemen
and has said over and over that Americans are stupid sitting beside President Carter at
the Democratic National Convention? You think Rush Limbaugh is venomous? Have you ever
listened to or read Maureen Dowd, Paul Krugman, Bob Herbert, Ted Rall, Al Franken,
Michael Moore, Janeane Garofalo, Bill Moyers, Al Gore, Wesley Clark, Molly Ivins, Robert
Scheer, Mark Morford, Eric Alterman, and dozens and dozens of other liberals and asked
yourself how vicious they sound in comparison? Hey, people don't trust a party that has
so many prominent members who seem to spend most of their time sputtering in rage and
showing complete contempt for people who disagree with them.
That's enough examples, let's get to the crux of the problem.
The Democratic Party is probably roughly split 40/60 between libs and moderates.
However, all the energy, excitement, and enthusiasm is on the left side of the party.
The problem is that those same people are POLITICAL POISON.
In fact, they're so extreme and out of touch that they're driving a lot of moderates out
of your party. That's part of the reason why more Republicans than Democrats voted in an
election for the first time on Nov. 2nd. It's also why the South, which used to be full
of yellow dog Democrats who'd never dream of voting for a Republican, has now for the
most part gone red. They didn't really leave the Democratic Party; the Democratic Party
left them.
And you know what the real danger is? That the Democratic party goes into a "death
spiral" which features moderates leaving the party for the GOP because they can't deal
with the extremism of the liberals, which allows liberals to get stronger in the party,
which causes more moderates to leave the party, which allows liberals to get stronger,
and so on, and so on, and so on until the Democratic party is completely marginalized.
You Dems want to get back into it? Stop running liberals like John Kerry who have to run
from their record. Get serious about national defense and start getting behind "John
Kennedys" and "Scoop Jacksons" instead of "Jimmy Carters" and "Walter Mondales". Stop
drooling over ultra-libs like Michael Moore and a bunch of Hollywood actors who turn off
middle-America. Find some issues that your liberal base can live with, that you think
will resonate with the American people, and that you feel comfortable defending
intellectually with something other than a variation of "you're mean" or "you're
stupid" & you'll start to make some progress. But continuing to run as "not
Republicans" isn't going to cut it.
Republicans are far from invulnerable, but a bunch of bile spewing liberals who pretend
to be quasi-conservatives for a few months around election time aren't going to beat the
GOP long-term. So if the Democratic Party wants to win and keep winning, it's going to
have to change...
I agree with you, having exactly the same since I began voting, when I
voted for Nixon in 1972. I knew he was a crook and a liar, but he was
pragmatic and better than the other candidate.
You are right that the Democrats take an extreme position and it costs
them. The Republicans to also, but they couch it in moderate terms.
They didn't talk about the pernicious aspects of their last four years
of governance, and the Democrats with their misguided sense of decency
didn't call them on it, didn't bring it up for debate. The fact that
they did not vote their consciences as legislators also worked against them.
Clinton did it right, and he won twice. He didn't inhale (LOL) and he
skirted the gut issues like abortion very effectively. One day the
extremists (on either side of the aisle) will learn to raise their
issues in off elections.
If we can agree on some things so can anyone!
Regards
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| User: "forge" |
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10 Nov 2004 08:30:55 PM |
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In article <1100022456.nQHQt85hfCLuaXW8CaZYRQ@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Well then, why is it George Bush was openly calling himself a "compassionate
conservative" while John Kerry had to hide his liberalism? Why is it that
George Bush
was able to run successful attack ads that did little more than in effect
say, "John
Kerry is a liberal"?
Because for the past 30 years Republicans have made it their business to
make "liberal" a dirty word when in fact it isn't. Fuckin' duh?
Oh and re "compassionate conservative:" anybody can lie about what they
are or what they feel. If Dubya says he gives a ***** about anyone that
doesn't make at least a million bucks a year in salary, he's lying.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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10 Nov 2004 10:18:41 PM |
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forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote in
news:forge-234795.21305510112004@comcast.dca.giganews.com:
In article <1100022456.nQHQt85hfCLuaXW8CaZYRQ@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Well then, why is it George Bush was openly calling himself a
"compassionate conservative" while John Kerry had to hide his
liberalism? Why is it that George Bush was able to run successful
attack ads that did little more than in effect say, "John Kerry is a
liberal"?
Because for the past 30 years Republicans have made it their business to
make "liberal" a dirty word when in fact it isn't. Fuckin' duh?
It is now, considering that only a small minority of Americans consider
themselves liberal.
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