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"Nihilist" |
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20 Jan 2005 08:37:25 AM |
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My conversion to Christianity (part 10) |
My brothers and sisters,
Those who have read part 9 of the my-conversion series are aware that
my current work involves developing a valid and sound theological
argument for the existence of God. I want to develop an argument that
my fellow Christians can use for convincing the critically minded that
God exists.
It is with much sadness that I must concede the great difficulty--if
not the impossibility--of such a task. I feel as though I have come
face to face with an insuperable brick wall.
I dunno, maybe we can all work together and come up with something
great--get a bit of a think tank happening on these newsgroups. What
do you say?
In any event, there are still the self-induced tingling sensations and
warm-and-fuzzy feelings. You *will* feel the Holy Spirit if you open
your mind and heart.
All is not lost, and hope springs eternal.
God bless you all,
Candide Nihilist
"Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe."
-- John 4:48 (imperative)
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| User: "Solomon \You Dirty Mother\ Kozanski" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 10) |
20 Jan 2005 01:45:47 PM |
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"Nihilist" <e_nihilist@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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My brothers and sisters,
"brother" and "sister" are distinct biological terms; please cease your
haphazard use of them to promote your deity.
Those who have read part 9 of the my-conversion series are aware that
my current work involves developing a valid and sound theological
argument for the existence of God. I want to develop an argument that
my fellow Christians can use for convincing the critically minded that
God exists.
it's impossible to convince someone who requires evidence, without evidence.
perhaps you should try the ancient xtian technique: the rack.
It is with much sadness that I must concede the great difficulty--if
not the impossibility--of such a task. I feel as though I have come
face to face with an insuperable brick wall.
why waste your time preaching to deaf ears? dont you have praying to do? (as
opposed to preying)
I dunno, maybe we can all work together and come up with something
great--get a bit of a think tank happening on these newsgroups. What
do you say?
get a bit of a think-tank going on your own groups.. if you're capable of
thinking, which you obviously aren't
In any event, there are still the self-induced tingling sensations and
warm-and-fuzzy feelings. You *will* feel the Holy Spirit if you open
your mind and heart.
how do you know i'm not feeling the spirit of Ra instead?
All is not lost, and hope springs eternal.
blah blah blah
God bless you all,
god can stick a broom up his *****.
Candide Nihilist
"Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe."
-- John 4:48 (imperative)
"Ye doth not bliggereth thine thee! Hark! For thou art thee!"
-- Enema 443:219.8 (declarative)
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 10) |
20 Jan 2005 07:56:12 PM |
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Hi Candide,
Thanks for your posts.
Don't worry about whether or not they believe. You are planting seeds.
Remember that Jesus Christ HIMSELF came to Earth and preached to some that
still wouldn't believe.
If you are wondering about God's existence or if the atheists in these
newsgroups are beginning to effect you adversely, take some time away. In
other words, their doubt and evil could rub off on new believers and damage
their hope and faith. If you are not 100% sure that God exists and if you
can not defend that belief all day and night, then the atheist newsgroups no
usenet may be a rough place for you to visit.
I'm cross-posting this message to free.christians. Please continue to post
and cross-post your messages to that group. I'll find them and respond.
Talk to Davey. He is a good Christian brother. We need to stick together
in here and bless one another. This is a tough mission field.
God bless,
Jason Gastrich
Nihilist wrote:
My brothers and sisters,
Those who have read part 9 of the my-conversion series are aware that
my current work involves developing a valid and sound theological
argument for the existence of God. I want to develop an argument that
my fellow Christians can use for convincing the critically minded that
God exists.
It is with much sadness that I must concede the great difficulty--if
not the impossibility--of such a task. I feel as though I have come
face to face with an insuperable brick wall.
I dunno, maybe we can all work together and come up with something
great--get a bit of a think tank happening on these newsgroups. What
do you say?
In any event, there are still the self-induced tingling sensations and
warm-and-fuzzy feelings. You *will* feel the Holy Spirit if you open
your mind and heart.
All is not lost, and hope springs eternal.
God bless you all,
Candide Nihilist
"Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe."
-- John 4:48 (imperative)
--
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 60,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
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AIM: MrJasonGastrich
YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 10) |
21 Jan 2005 04:01:51 AM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hi Candide,
Thanks for your posts.
Don't worry about whether or not they believe. You are planting seeds.
Remember that Jesus Christ HIMSELF came to Earth and preached to some that
still wouldn't believe.
If you are wondering about God's existence or if the atheists in these
newsgroups are beginning to effect you adversely, take some time away.
You don't need to worry about this Candide person...he or she never replies
anyway. Strictly a hit and run poster.
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| User: "David" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 10) |
20 Jan 2005 08:16:45 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Hi Candide,
Thanks for your posts.
Don't worry about whether or not they believe. You are planting
seeds.
Remember that Jesus Christ HIMSELF came to Earth and preached to some
that
still wouldn't believe.
This is quite a claim, Jason, and it's airtight, of course, since
there's no way to prove or disprove it.
Jesus is dead, after all, and won't be coming back to preach anything.
If you are wondering about God's existence or if the atheists in
these
newsgroups are beginning to effect you adversely, take some time
away.
Yes, by all means, run and hide from contrary opinion.
Never let yourself be challenged.
In
other words, their doubt and evil could rub off on new believers and
damage
their hope and faith.
Alternatively, rational thought and rational talk could persuade
someone to eschew a silly belief system.
If you are not 100% sure that God exists and if you
can not defend that belief all day and night, then the atheist
newsgroups no
usenet may be a rough place for you to visit.
I submit, Jason, that the WORLD is a "rough place" to visit, too.
And so is reality.
I'm cross-posting this message to free.christians. Please continue
to post
and cross-post your messages to that group. I'll find them and
respond.
And you'll also find that Jason's rather limited courage and intellect
are not enough to show that there is any integrity in him or value in
the things he claims.
Talk to Davey. He is a good Christian brother. We need to stick
together
in here and bless one another. This is a tough mission field.
An interesting admission.
< snip >
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 10) |
20 Jan 2005 09:55:41 PM |
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:56:12 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Candide,
Thanks for your posts.
Don't worry about whether or not they believe. You are planting seeds.
Remember that Jesus Christ HIMSELF came to Earth and preached to some that
still wouldn't believe.
Jason, unless I'm quite mistaken, Candide is pulling your leg in a
major way.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 10) |
20 Jan 2005 08:42:15 PM |
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on 20 Jan 2005 in alt.atheism, Jason Gastrich dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then shouted:
Hi Candide,
Thanks for your posts.
Don't worry about whether or not they believe. You are planting
seeds. Remember that Jesus Christ HIMSELF came to Earth and preached
to some that still wouldn't believe.
You do know what happens when you plant seeds in a human body, don't you?
They get ***** right out.
If you are wondering about God's existence or if the atheists in these
newsgroups are beginning to effect you adversely, take some time away.
In other words, their doubt and evil could rub off on new believers
and damage their hope and faith.
Yes, you don't want your logical skills developing, or, god forbid, your
brain to wake up.
<snip>
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are the kind of
people you wouldn't want to ***** in the first place?
--George Carlin
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| User: "Grinder" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 10) |
20 Jan 2005 11:56:56 PM |
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You do know what happens when you plant seeds
in a human body, don't you? They get ***** right out.
It depends upon where you plant it.
http://www.babycenter.com/refcap/baby/babyills/babyfirstaid/11264.html
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| User: "Sanguinevikings" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 10) |
21 Jan 2005 10:48:48 AM |
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Grinder wrote:
You do know what happens when you plant seeds
in a human body, don't you? They get ***** right out.
It depends upon where you plant it.
http://www.babycenter.com/refcap/baby/babyills/babyfirstaid/11264.html
OK, let's all play the cotton ball game.....
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 10) |
21 Jan 2005 05:53:34 PM |
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Użytkownik "Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> napisał w wiadomości
news:Xns95E48170A8FFDvicman@127.0.0.1...
on 20 Jan 2005 in alt.atheism, Jason Gastrich dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then shouted:
Hi Candide,
Thanks for your posts.
Don't worry about whether or not they believe. You are planting
seeds. Remember that Jesus Christ HIMSELF came to Earth and preached
to some that still wouldn't believe.
You do know what happens when you plant seeds in a human body, don't you?
They get ***** right out.
They may do when you do the planting, but we didn't need to know that.
Uncle Davey
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 10) |
21 Jan 2005 12:45:07 AM |
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Vic Sagerquist wrote:
on 20 Jan 2005 in alt.atheism, Jason Gastrich dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then shouted:
Hi Candide,
Thanks for your posts.
Don't worry about whether or not they believe. You are planting
seeds. Remember that Jesus Christ HIMSELF came to Earth and preached
to some that still wouldn't believe.
You do know what happens when you plant seeds in a human body, don't
you? They get ***** right out.
Anything you put inside the human body comes out the other end. You missed
the metaphor, though.
If you are wondering about God's existence or if the atheists in
these newsgroups are beginning to effect you adversely, take some
time away. In other words, their doubt and evil could rub off on
new believers and damage their hope and faith.
Yes, you don't want your logical skills developing, or, god forbid,
your brain to wake up.
<snip>
This isn't the point. The point is for new believers to get strong before
they get attacked. It's for them to get equipped with the right answers
before they experience bigotry and hatred.
Regards,
Jason
--
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 60,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140
AIM: MrJasonGastrich
YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 10) |
21 Jan 2005 01:13:07 AM |
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On 20 Jan 2005, Jason Gastrich dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
on 20 Jan 2005 in alt.atheism, Jason Gastrich dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then shouted:
Hi Candide,
Thanks for your posts.
Don't worry about whether or not they believe. You are planting
seeds. Remember that Jesus Christ HIMSELF came to Earth and preached
to some that still wouldn't believe.
You do know what happens when you plant seeds in a human body, don't
you? They get ***** right out.
Anything you put inside the human body comes out the other end. You
missed the metaphor, though.
I'm not a metaphorical guy.
If you are wondering about God's existence or if the atheists in
these newsgroups are beginning to effect you adversely, take some
time away. In other words, their doubt and evil could rub off on
new believers and damage their hope and faith.
Yes, you don't want your logical skills developing, or, god forbid,
your brain to wake up.
<snip>
This isn't the point. The point is for new believers to get strong
before they get attacked. It's for them to get equipped with the
right answers before they experience bigotry and hatred.
pot, kettle, black.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you
wouldn't want to ***** in the first place?
--George Carlin
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 10) |
21 Jan 2005 03:57:12 AM |
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In our last episode <Xns95E4AF6439E80vicman@216.196.97.136>, Vic
Sagerquist lept out of the bushes shouting:
On 20 Jan 2005, Jason Gastrich dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
This isn't the point. The point is for new believers to get strong
before they get attacked. It's for them to get equipped with the right
answers before they experience bigotry and hatred.
pot, kettle, black.
Yeah, he means "before they go out on Usenet and provoke people by being
total assholes."
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "raven1" |
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21 Jan 2005 04:15:46 AM |
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:45:07 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
This isn't the point. The point is for new believers to get strong before
they get attacked. It's for them to get equipped with the right answers
before they experience bigotry and hatred.
You misspelled "logic and reason".
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| User: "Humanizm w Polsce" |
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22 Jan 2005 05:38:19 PM |
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I have always thought some kind of extraterrestrials are gods (which
created DNA and life)
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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23 Jan 2005 11:12:09 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:38:19 +0100, after pondering
deep thoughts, Humanizm w Polsce <none@wp.pl> spake
thusly:
I have always thought some kind of extraterrestrials are gods (which
created DNA and life)
And they are not "life"? What created them? :)
By claiming that the aliens created us, in an attempt
to avoid dealing with the issue of God creating, you
have not solved the problem. You have only moved it to
a different location. :)
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Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
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| User: "Kirk Chalmers" |
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20 Jan 2005 05:47:58 PM |
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I have heard good things about the book "The Case for Christ: A Journalist's
Personal Investigation of the Evidence for Jesus" by Lee Strobel. Evidently
the author was an avowed atheist and was challenged by his wife to research
the subject. Mr. Strobel did the research and wrote the book. He is now a
born again Christian. I must confess that I have not read the book. I
heard a taped interview of Mr. Strobel and the book sounds interesting.
The book is available from Amazon.com at
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index%3Dstripbooks%26fie
ld-keywords%3Dcase%20for%20christ%26results-process%3Ddefault%26dispatch%3Ds
earch/ref%3Dpd%5Fsl%5Fov%5Ftops-1%5Fstripbooks%5F4223394%5F1/104-9842207-099
6717. I'm sure it's at other locations as well.
May God bless you in your journey.
Kirk
"Nihilist" <e_nihilist@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8d9826c7.0501200037.754e9489@posting.google.com...
My brothers and sisters,
Those who have read part 9 of the my-conversion series are aware that
my current work involves developing a valid and sound theological
argument for the existence of God. I want to develop an argument that
my fellow Christians can use for convincing the critically minded that
God exists.
It is with much sadness that I must concede the great difficulty--if
not the impossibility--of such a task. I feel as though I have come
face to face with an insuperable brick wall.
I dunno, maybe we can all work together and come up with something
great--get a bit of a think tank happening on these newsgroups. What
do you say?
In any event, there are still the self-induced tingling sensations and
warm-and-fuzzy feelings. You *will* feel the Holy Spirit if you open
your mind and heart.
All is not lost, and hope springs eternal.
God bless you all,
Candide Nihilist
"Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe."
-- John 4:48 (imperative)
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| User: "Fatman" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 10) |
21 Jan 2005 12:19:56 PM |
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Kirk Chalmers wrote:
I have heard good things about the book "The Case for Christ: A
Journalist's Personal Investigation of the Evidence for Jesus" by Lee
Strobel. Evidently the author was an avowed atheist and was
challenged by his wife to research the subject. Mr. Strobel did the
research and wrote the book. He is now a born again Christian. I
must confess that I have not read the book. I heard a taped
interview of Mr. Strobel and the book sounds interesting.
The book is available from Amazon.com at
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index%3Dstripbooks
%26fie
ld-keywords%3Dcase%20for%20christ%26results-process%3Ddefault%26dispat
ch%3Ds
earch/ref%3Dpd%5Fsl%5Fov%5Ftops-1%5Fstripbooks%5F4223394%5F1/104-98422
07-099 6717. I'm sure it's at other locations as well.
May God bless you in your journey.
Kirk
Lee Strobel's apologetics are very weak. Here is some samples of
articles which state such:
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jeff_lowder/strobel.html
http://home.ca.inter.net/~oblio/CTVExcerptsIntro.htm
http://home.teleport.com/~packham/strobel.htm
Packham also critiques John Warwick Montgomery, a Lutheran apologist
who wrote a similar book.
http://www.teleport.com/~packham/montgmry.htm
I would recommend you read those books, then read those critiques. You
will see how apologetic reading materials are very weak on substance
outside of "feel good symbolism".
Fatman
--
"Once again decent citizens will be able to enter this house of
worship, kneel down in front of a nearly-naked man hanging from a
wooden apparatus by a series of gruesome body piercings, and engage in
their bizarre practices of ritualized blood-drinking and cannibalism
without being assaulted by graphic images of attractive young women
with bare breasts."-- A. Whitney Brown, "The Daily Show"
"The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike."--Delos B.
McKown, PhD, US professor, philosopher, author, former clergyman
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| User: "MarkA" |
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20 Jan 2005 07:05:50 PM |
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:47:58 +0000, Kirk Chalmers wrote:
I have heard good things about the book "The Case for Christ: A
Journalist's Personal Investigation of the Evidence for Jesus" by Lee
Strobel. Evidently the author was an avowed atheist and was challenged by
his wife to research the subject. Mr. Strobel did the research and wrote
the book. He is now a born again Christian. I must confess that I have
not read the book. I heard a taped interview of Mr. Strobel and the book
sounds interesting.
I have not read any of Strobel's works, but I have read reviews by others
(mostly atheists), who found them to be the usual re-hash of arguments
from ignorance and appeals to authority, that will be reassuring to the
already convinced, but lacking any real, objective evidence that would
convert the skeptic.
It seems to me that if an Almighty God exists, and He wants us to believe
in Him, then He would have no trouble providing the evidence that would be
convincing. After all, He certainly wasn't shy about talking directly
to people back in the time of Abraham or Moses. The fact that atheists
exist at all would seem to be evidence that He *wants* atheists in the
world. Of course, it could also mean that He is just a figment of the
imagination of a group of Bronze Age goat herders, that has enough appeal
to the basic psychological needs of people that His popularity endures
despite the obvious lack of proof or even logical coherency. But that's
just me.
May God bless you in your journey.
Kirk
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Earle Jones" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 10) |
21 Jan 2005 01:18:42 AM |
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In article <pan.2005.01.20.19.05.58.506639@stopspam.net>,
MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:47:58 +0000, Kirk Chalmers wrote:
I have heard good things about the book "The Case for Christ: A
Journalist's Personal Investigation of the Evidence for Jesus" by Lee
Strobel. Evidently the author was an avowed atheist and was challenged by
his wife to research the subject. Mr. Strobel did the research and wrote
the book. He is now a born again Christian. I must confess that I have
not read the book. I heard a taped interview of Mr. Strobel and the book
sounds interesting.
I have not read any of Strobel's works, but I have read reviews by others
(mostly atheists), who found them to be the usual re-hash of arguments
from ignorance and appeals to authority, that will be reassuring to the
already convinced, but lacking any real, objective evidence that would
convert the skeptic.
It seems to me that if an Almighty God exists, and He wants us to believe
in Him, then He would have no trouble providing the evidence that would be
convincing. After all, He certainly wasn't shy about talking directly
to people back in the time of Abraham or Moses. The fact that atheists
exist at all would seem to be evidence that He *wants* atheists in the
world. Of course, it could also mean that He is just a figment of the
imagination of a group of Bronze Age goat herders, that has enough appeal
to the basic psychological needs of people that His popularity endures
despite the obvious lack of proof or even logical coherency. But that's
just me.
*
I have been accused of being a 'Doubting Thomas', which is probably
true. Therefore I will take the Doubting Thomas approach:
In the New Testament the Lord invited Thomas to both see and feel
the nail prints in His hands (John 20:27). As a result of what he
observed, Thomas was instantly convinced that he was in the presence
of the crucified Lord.
I will follow the lead of Thomas. I, too doubt the existence of the
crucified Lord. When he shows me the nail prints in His hands, I
will be convinced. I strongly believe in the advice given by David
Hume in 1770: "A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence."
earle
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| User: "sanguinevikings" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 10) |
20 Jan 2005 10:09:18 AM |
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I'm beginning to warm to this series, I get a distinct sense of where it
is leading.
Can't wait for part 11.
ROTFLMAO
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| User: "Earle Jones" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 10) |
21 Jan 2005 01:35:27 AM |
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In article <ZuSdnQ0utLHZHnLcRVnyjQ@brightview.com>,
sanguinevikings <spam@spam.not> wrote:
I'm beginning to warm to this series, I get a distinct sense of where it
is leading.
*
Daytime TV?
earle
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| User: "Earle Jones" |
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21 Jan 2005 01:15:39 AM |
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In article <8d9826c7.0501200037.754e9489@posting.google.com>,
(Nihilist) wrote:
My brothers and sisters,
Those who have read part 9 of the my-conversion series are aware that
my current work involves developing a valid and sound theological
argument for the existence of God. I want to develop an argument that
my fellow Christians can use for convincing the critically minded that
God exists.
***
I suspect it should be very easy to develop a *theological* argument
for the existence of God.
Coming up with a *sound* argument is something else.
***
It is with much sadness that I must concede the great difficulty--if
not the impossibility--of such a task. I feel as though I have come
face to face with an insuperable brick wall.
***
As I said above, stick to the theology, read the Bible and connect
the dots. This is substantially what Bishop Ussher did to *prove*
theologically that the earth is 6,000 years old.
***
I dunno, maybe we can all work together and come up with something
great--get a bit of a think tank happening on these newsgroups. What
do you say?
***
I don't know of any think-tank that would touch this with a ten-foot
(excuse me, three-meter)** pole. There are some non-think tanks
(AIG and ICR come to mind) that might help.
But putting more heads together will not help. The problem with
working on such a problem is there is no data. What I read today
about God and the Bible is *exactly* the same as I was taught in
Sunday School when I was eight years old. That was 65 years ago, by
the way!
***
In any event, there are still the self-induced tingling sensations and
warm-and-fuzzy feelings. You *will* feel the Holy Spirit if you open
your mind and heart.
***
For tingling sensations and warm-and-fuzzy feelings, there are other
more effective methods. (Bombay Sapphire and Boissiere, for
example).
***
All is not lost, and hope springs eternal.
***
I wish I believed that.
***
earle
*
Did you know that ten feet and three meters
are different by only about two percent?
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 10) |
20 Jan 2005 02:47:43 PM |
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In our last episode <8d9826c7.0501200037.754e9489@posting.google.com>,
Nihilist lept out of the bushes shouting:
Those who have read part 9 of the my-conversion series
Really need to get a hobby.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "" |
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20 Jan 2005 03:27:11 PM |
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Other than computer's, preferably. Try knitting a
philosophy--nah, that won't work, they turn into universities.
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Paul J. Chiasson
http://chefpaul.stsams.org/
chefpaul@chefpaul.stsams.org
paul.chiasson@ns.sympatico.ca
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:OdydnS-erKLFXnLcRVn-tw@megapath.net...
In our last episode
<8d9826c7.0501200037.754e9489@posting.google.com>,
Nihilist lept out of the bushes shouting:
Those who have read part 9 of the my-conversion series
Really need to get a hobby.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 10) |
20 Jan 2005 04:11:35 PM |
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Why don't you save all this word play and just say - "There is NO objective
evidence for the existence of my God but I KNOW he exists because I believe
he exists!"
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Bill
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:OdydnS-erKLFXnLcRVn-tw@megapath.net...
In our last episode <8d9826c7.0501200037.754e9489@posting.google.com>,
Nihilist lept out of the bushes shouting:
Those who have read part 9 of the my-conversion series
Really need to get a hobby.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Fatman" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 10) |
21 Jan 2005 12:19:57 PM |
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Nihilist wrote:
My brothers and sisters,
Those who have read part 9 of the my-conversion series are aware that
my current work involves developing a valid and sound theological
argument for the existence of God. I want to develop an argument that
my fellow Christians can use for convincing the critically minded that
God exists.
It is with much sadness that I must concede the great difficulty--if
not the impossibility--of such a task. I feel as though I have come
face to face with an insuperable brick wall.
I dunno, maybe we can all work together and come up with something
great--get a bit of a think tank happening on these newsgroups. What
do you say?
In any event, there are still the self-induced tingling sensations and
warm-and-fuzzy feelings. You will feel the Holy Spirit if you open
your mind and heart.
All is not lost, and hope springs eternal.
God bless you all,
Candide Nihilist
"Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe."
-- John 4:48 (imperative)
Thats nice dear. Now go outside and play hide and go ***** yourself.
Fatman.
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"Once again decent citizens will be able to enter this house of
worship, kneel down in front of a nearly-naked man hanging from a
wooden apparatus by a series of gruesome body piercings, and engage in
their bizarre practices of ritualized blood-drinking and cannibalism
without being assaulted by graphic images of attractive young women
with bare breasts."-- A. Whitney Brown, "The Daily Show"
"The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike."--Delos B.
McKown, PhD, US professor, philosopher, author, former clergyman
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| User: "dgillesp" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 10) |
20 Jan 2005 02:04:04 PM |
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Nihilist wrote:
My brothers and sisters,
Those who have read part 9 of the my-conversion series are aware that
my current work involves developing a valid and sound theological
argument for the existence of God. I want to develop an argument that
my fellow Christians can use for convincing the critically minded that
God exists.
No such argument exists. "Canst thou by searching find out God? canst
thou find out the Almighty unto perfection? It is as high as heaven;
what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know? The measure
thereof is longer than the earth, and broader than the sea." Job 11.7
(KJV) God is not just one object among other objects that man can prove
or disprove, test and examine. He is beyond all such arguments the
human mind can formulate. He is known only in "I-Thou" personal
relationship, and never as a phenomen to be investigated or captured by
human logic and reason.
It is with much sadness that I must concede the great difficulty--if
not the impossibility--of such a task. I feel as though I have come
face to face with an insuperable brick wall.
Sadly, there are those who absolutely insist on seeing before they will
believe. Some things have to be believed before they can be seen, the
reality of God among them. If one is not willing to take the risk of
faith, he will never know God.
I dunno, maybe we can all work together and come up with something
great--get a bit of a think tank happening on these newsgroups. What
do you say?
In any event, there are still the self-induced tingling sensations and
warm-and-fuzzy feelings. You *will* feel the Holy Spirit if you open
your mind and heart.
Faith always precedes feeling, but feelings are not reliable. They come
and go. It's the act of throwing one end of your rope up into the air
and finding that the other end has been caught and held fast by the
invisible, infinite God who wishes to connect with us.
All is not lost, and hope springs eternal.
Without a doubt.
Denny (methodios)
God bless you all,
Candide Nihilist
"Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe."
-- John 4:48 (imperative)
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 10) |
21 Jan 2005 04:02:14 AM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, dgillesp poured fuel on the fire
with the following:
Nihilist wrote:
....
I want to develop an argument that
my fellow Christians can use for convincing the critically minded that
God exists.
No such argument exists.
Because no such deity exists.
....
He is known only in "I-Thou" personal
relationship, and never as a phenomen to be investigated or captured by
human logic and reason.
Whatever. The non-existence of your deity CAN, however, be captured by
logic.
http://tinyurl.com/qg1e
....
Sadly, there are those who absolutely insist on seeing before they will
believe.
No need to be sad, Denny. It is we who pity YOU.
....
Regards,
Josef
All thinking men are atheists.
-- Ernest Hemingway
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| User: "dgillesp" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 10) |
21 Jan 2005 04:45:19 PM |
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Josef Balluch wrote:
In a message sent 'round the world, dgillesp poured fuel on the fire
with the following:
Nihilist wrote:
...
I want to develop an argument that
my fellow Christians can use for convincing the critically minded that
God exists.
No such argument exists.
Because no such deity exists.
...
He is known only in "I-Thou" personal
relationship, and never as a phenomen to be investigated or captured by
human logic and reason.
Whatever. The non-existence of your deity CAN, however, be captured by
logic.
http://tinyurl.com/qg1e
...
Sadly, there are those who absolutely insist on seeing before they will
believe.
No need to be sad, Denny. It is we who pity YOU.
...
Regards,
Josef
All thinking men are atheists.
-- Ernest Hemingway
Evidently his associations were mainly limited to those who thought as he
did, and perhaps to naive religionists who only served to confirm his bias.
Denny
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 10) |
22 Jan 2005 01:00:08 AM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, dgillesp poured fuel on the fire
with the following:
Josef Balluch wrote:
....
All thinking men are atheists.
-- Ernest Hemingway
Evidently ...
Please present your evidence, Denny. If you can.
... his associations were mainly limited to those who thought as he
did, and perhaps to naive religionists who only served to confirm his bias.
ROTFL!
The statement was made by one of the characters in Hemingway's book "A
Farewell To Arms".
http://www.bookrags.com/notes/fta/PART2.htm
No doubt your ability to find "hidden meaning" in other people's work
will once again come in handy.
And as for the "hidden" meaning in YOUR statement: Keep guessing,
Denny.
Regards,
Josef
The trouble with people is not that they don't know, but that they know
so much that ain't so.
-- Henry Wheeler Shaw
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