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"Nihilist" |
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03 Jan 2005 08:52:06 PM |
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My conversion to Christianity (part 2) |
My brothers and sisters,
American politics--what to do?
Although Jesus is a liberal, I don't feel that He supports abortion.
Nor do I feel that Jesus would subsume bombing Iraq under the idea of
universal love, which includes loving one's enemies and turning the
other cheek.
How can I reconcile my newfound spirituality with my patriotism? Any
ideas are most welcome.
God bless you all,
Candide Nihilist
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| User: "Ike" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 2) |
04 Jan 2005 11:31:57 AM |
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"Nihilist" <e_nihilist@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8d9826c7.0501031852.67f7898e@posting.google.com...
My brothers and sisters,
American politics--what to do?
Although Jesus is a liberal, I don't feel that He supports abortion.
Nor do I feel that Jesus would subsume bombing Iraq under the idea of
universal love, which includes loving one's enemies and turning the
other cheek.
How can I reconcile my newfound spirituality with my patriotism? Any
ideas are most welcome.
God bless you all,
Candide Nihilist
There should be no problem. Run for persident.
--
The argument that everything had a Creator because it's too complicated, is
about as reasonable as saying that it couldn't have been created since it's
too complicated.
It's about like saying that a super flea created a dog. Then
the good fleas go to a great dog in the sky, while the bad unbelieving fleas
are scratched off into a super rug to be forever hungry. If you think dogs
weren't created by a Great Flea then you are an atheist flea.
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 2) |
03 Jan 2005 11:21:01 PM |
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"Nihilist" <e_nihilist@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8d9826c7.0501031852.67f7898e@posting.google.com...
My brothers and sisters,
<snip>
How can I reconcile my newfound spirituality with my patriotism?
Ignorant Facism -where bedwetting meets arrogance.....just fucking great,
another useless neo-con.
Any
ideas are most welcome.
Self-induced coma? Or is that redundant?
<plonk>
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| User: "navi-gater" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 2) |
03 Jan 2005 11:48:05 PM |
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(Nihilist) wrote in
news:8d9826c7.0501031852.67f7898e@posting.google.com:
Although Jesus is a liberal, I don't feel that He supports abortion.
I guess his dad can do that kind of dirty work for him...
Nor do I feel that Jesus would subsume bombing Iraq under the idea of
universal love, which includes loving one's enemies and turning the
other cheek.
Apparently so, but then again, most "christians" just take the bits that
suit them. They don't have a problem with killing anybody/anything so why
should you?
In fact this answers the abortion point too.
How can I reconcile my newfound spirituality with my patriotism? Any
ideas are most welcome.
Since there's no possible reason for you to need to ask this in an atheist
group, I guess you're just looking for an argument.
If so, why not go to church at the weekend, and tell everyone you're gay
and want to be married. That should get you into an argument or two.
gater.
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| User: "Woden" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 2) |
03 Jan 2005 09:22:05 PM |
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(Nihilist) wrote in
news:8d9826c7.0501031852.67f7898e@posting.google.com:
My brothers and sisters,
American politics--what to do?
Although Jesus is a liberal, I don't feel that He supports abortion.
Why should we give a damn what you think an imaginary character would
support?
Nor do I feel that Jesus would subsume bombing Iraq under the idea of
universal love, which includes loving one's enemies and turning the
other cheek.
How can I reconcile my newfound spirituality with my patriotism? Any
ideas are most welcome.
Get rid of both.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Earle Jones" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 2) |
03 Jan 2005 11:24:42 PM |
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In article <8d9826c7.0501031852.67f7898e@posting.google.com>,
(Nihilist) wrote:
My brothers and sisters,
American politics--what to do?
Although Jesus is a liberal, I don't feel that He supports abortion.
Nor do I feel that Jesus would subsume bombing Iraq under the idea of
universal love, which includes loving one's enemies and turning the
other cheek.
How can I reconcile my newfound spirituality with my patriotism? Any
ideas are most welcome.
*
You might want to consider the possibility that both your patriotism
and your religion are wrong. In which case, there is no conflict.
earle
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"Mixing faith and science is like mixing gasoline and water.
You can't drink it, and you can't run your car on it.
Keep them separate and they both have much greater
utility and integrity."
--John Burton
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 2) |
03 Jan 2005 09:50:16 PM |
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On 03 Jan 2005, Nihilist dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
How can I reconcile my newfound spirituality with my patriotism? Any
ideas are most welcome.
Go all the way and become a worthless republican.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Hebrews 11:1
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
seen.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 2) |
04 Jan 2005 11:35:12 AM |
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On 3 Jan 2005 18:52:06 -0800, (Nihilist) said in
alt.atheism:
My brothers and sisters,
American politics--what to do?
Although Jesus is a liberal, I don't feel that He supports abortion.
He supported the bible and the bible supports abortion.
How can I reconcile my newfound spirituality with my patriotism?
Give up your spirituality.
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"The United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion"
- Treaty of Tripoli, 1797, ratified by Congress
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Levy Oates" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 2) |
04 Jan 2005 03:35:51 AM |
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On 3 Jan 2005 18:52:06 -0800, (Nihilist) wrote:
Although Jesus is a liberal, I don't feel that He supports abortion.
He's a BIG fan being gay though!
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Archdeacon Levy Oates
On behalf of the Prophet Eric Peabody (pbuh)
Basingstoke, England
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 2) |
04 Jan 2005 12:15:24 PM |
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On 3 Jan 2005 18:52:06 -0800, while scaling the Mt.
Everest, (Nihilist) pontificated:
My brothers and sisters,
American politics--what to do?
Although Jesus is a liberal,
In what sense do you consider Him a liberal?
I don't feel that He supports abortion.
No, He doesn't. :)
Nor do I feel that Jesus would subsume bombing Iraq under the idea of
universal love, which includes loving one's enemies and turning the
other cheek.
How can I reconcile my newfound spirituality with my patriotism? Any
ideas are most welcome.
Well, let it first be said that the only allegiance you
owe, is to God, not country. Christians are not called
to war, nor to kill, nor to be politicians. Of course,
there is nothing wrong with wanting to help keep things
like religious freedom and free speech legal and if you
wish to contribute to that, I would suggest
www.aclj.org as a place to contribute. They help many
Christians in legal situations, free of charge and
survive on donations. And there is nothing wrong with
making your legal case before those who sit in judgment
in a court room. The New Testament supports that and
using your legal rights is not a sin. Unless of
course, you're trying to use tricky technicalities to
avoid being punished for a crime you did commit. That
even gets tricky, because some things are a crime, that
are not a sin. :) In that case, sure, go for it. :)
As for what the country does, I can understand a
country keeping an army for the defense of the nation.
Unfortunately now, we end up defending ourselves
against terrorism and economic ruin, which are hard
things for an army to fight. :)
Speaking of this war in Iraq and not making any
statement about the rightness or wrongness of it, I
think that most people misunderstand the issue. People
who are against the war will claim that it is just
about oil and that we shouldn't be fighting over oil.
Personally, I think oil is involved. However (again,
speaking as a military thing and not stating the war is
right or wrong), that does not mean that the war
shouldn't be fought, even if the only thing it was over
was oil. Let me explain...
People do not understand the impact it would have had,
had Saddam been able to take control of the oil, even
in the first Gulf War. Our economy would have been
crushed. Imagine paying $20.00 per gallon for fuel.
Saddam raises the price only for America and anyone who
tries to ally with us What would that do to the
delivery system of this nation? How would we get goods
anywhere? How would you get to work? How could you
work, if your whole paycheck was eaten up by the gas
you consume weekly? Would there be anywhere producing
goods anymore, since no one can work? Would anyone buy
the goods, knowing the price on the shelf due to the
increase in fuel costs to get the items to the stores?
Wouldn't the stores also close down? And how could we
keep exporting goods to other nations, given the price
of getting it there. And why would other nations still
do business with us, knowing that Saddam would raise
their fuel prices if they did? It could affect the
global economy. Etc., etc..
You see, our nation would fold in a matter of months,
or maybe a bit longer, until we ran out of our own
reserves. We simply wouldn't have enough time to step
up oil production in this country to meet the demand.
Why do you think Saddam was going for control of the
oil in the First Gulf War?
So even if the war is just over oil, that does not mean
that it isn't done for the protection of this nation
(and possibly others).
Anyway, back to your question. :)
Your allegiance is to God, not a nation. Nations come
and go, except for the Chinese. :) What would happen
if America was taken over? We are still Christians.
The Apostles, as Jews, loved their country, I'm sure.
Yet they wandered into other nations, preaching the
Gospel and they went where God called them to be,
without regard for their own personal allegiance to any
one nation, militarily speaking. I don't recall
reading them preaching about a stronger army, nor about
running for office, etc..
So support the idea of a free nation if you want. But
as to the military aspect of it, that is not ours to
worry about. We pray for our leaders to do the right
things and prayer is our weapon, not a rifle. Prayer
avails more than any rifle ever could.
I guess the answer is, in one sense you can reconcile
the two, but in another, you can't. I.e., there are
limits to patriotism to a nation, at least as I
understand you to be referencing patriotism. I may not
understand what you mean by patriotism correctly
though, since you didn't explain what that means to
you, so I just tried to cover it in general. :) I hope
this response is of some help to you.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 2) |
04 Jan 2005 12:16:46 PM |
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On 3 Jan 2005 18:52:06 -0800, while scaling the Mt.
Everest, (Nihilist) pontificated:
My brothers and sisters,
American politics--what to do?
P.S., What Christian groups are you subscribing to, so
that I know I will still see your messages, should I
cut alt.atheism out of the groups in the list when I
respond?
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "Bob" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 2) |
04 Jan 2005 03:53:20 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:kanlt09rn3s3246usqe4i98h818au36s3f@4ax.com...
On 3 Jan 2005 18:52:06 -0800, while scaling the Mt.
Everest, (Nihilist) pontificated:
P.S., What Christian groups are you subscribing to, so
that I know I will still see your messages, should I
cut alt.atheism out of the groups in the list when I
respond?
Personally, I rather suspect a troll, or a piece of satire.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: My conversion to Christianity (part 2) |
04 Jan 2005 08:53:03 AM |
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:52:06 -0800, Nihilist wrote:
My brothers and sisters,
American politics--what to do?
Although Jesus is a liberal, I don't feel that He supports abortion.
Nor do I feel that Jesus would subsume bombing Iraq under the idea of
universal love, which includes loving one's enemies and turning the other
cheek.
How can I reconcile my newfound spirituality with my patriotism? Any ideas
are most welcome.
God bless you all,
Candide Nihilist
"You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs." Just think how
much worse off those infidels would be if they weren't shown the true
light of Jesus! If you have to kill a few hundred thousand of them to
save a precious few, go right ahead. God is on your side! Wasn't that
easy?
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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