V wrote:
From:Neil Kelsey - view profile
Date:Tues, Dec 5 2006 12:06 pm
BTW, currently I am an agnostic spiritualist freethinker.
What are you agnostic about?
Logic, by the sounds of it.
What makes you 'spiritualist'?
Johnny Walker
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What makes you a 'freethinker'?
He's free of all thinking
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If really interested in finding out these answers Michael, just read my
posts instead of resorting to bloating your ego with abusive remarks.
You are free to break my posts apart in detail. Instead you succumb to
ad hominem arguments, Very childish Michael.
As I wrote you earlier in "Cultivating The Garden of Our Mind" Maybe
there is something in this for you Michael that could change your life
from one of hatred and ill will into one of joy and happiness.
I think Michael was spreading the message of joy and happiness with his
three little replies pasted above. I laughed my ***** off. Since you are
apparently humourless you a) don't understand this and b) become the
brunt of the jokes, and c) you seem more like the one filled with hate.
You seem to hate the way atheists are, otherwise you wouldn't be trying
to change us.
Oh no, be who you want to be. I am only posting my thoughts. I make no
demands of you. If you like spitting poison at me, then do so, but just
be willing to pay the price of it disrupting your peace.
Neil Kelsey:
If you're "only posting your thoughts," your thoughts are that atheists
need to change. That is indicated exactly three paragraphs above this
one, where you tell Michael Gray about some book "that could change
your life from one of hatred and ill will into one of joy and
happiness." That's what you call trying to change someone. You do not
want Michael (or me) to "be who we want to be." You want us to change.
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V:
I apologize it has taken me so long to answer some of the replies, but
am very busy and can only reply to a few of them. I thank everyone for
their input.
If I wanted others to change Neil and they did not change, my peace
would be disturbed. I just offer choices Neil.
You "offering choices" is just a euphamism for wanting atheists to
change. If you were neutral you wouldn't be posting your
"life-altering" diatribes to us.
From what I recall, I
was not referring to any book as you mentioned above.
You recall wrong.
Just options on
how we can live. Such as living a life by hatred or by compassion - the
choice is yours and mine to take either path, I just list the two
directions we can take as some seem to forget such things. It is our
right to ask others to stop yelling and spewing profanity at us or to
seek change when the environment is not healthy. And if they refuse to
comply, then the choice is ours - to stay with the abuse or leave.
I view your posts in general as a form of abuse.
Michael is free to spew venom at others, I make no absolute demands he
stop, I just ask out of common courtesy to others. Same with all of
you. As long as you do not sit by my side and point gun to my head
wishing to kill me, I have no desire to force change on you.
I don't believe that statement. All your actions indicate you want us
to change. I think you're fooling yourself, but you're not fooling us.
When we try to control others it is s signpost of our own dis-ease. I
make no demands on you to control you, you are welcome to your
opinions. All I ask is you please extend the same courtesy to me.
I am. You can change or remain the same, whatever you want, as far as
I'm concerned.
Of course, I make slip ups once in while as an imperfect human, but them
my inner peace will suffer and I come to the fork in the road to decide
which path I take...peace or ego based unrest?
Or ego based peace.
Funny how many of the members here see 'V' trying to control others,
yet they do not see themselves trying to control V?
That's because our posts are reactions to what you write. You initiate.
We react. I don't see many threads started (there may be some by now
because you're pretty thick about this) by an atheist in which they say
you have to change. Most of what I see is you telling us that we're not
living properly or that we're inferior, and we say ***** in various
ways. If you want to interpret that as us trying to control you, go
ahead. I don't see it that way.
When Neil wrote "My experience is that people are rarely objective
about themselves" Yes Neil, as the crude saying goes... 'it is hard
looking up one's own *****' ... but if one desires to be at peace, we
must do the best they can.
I don't desire to be at peace. I've got an eternity of that waiting for
me after I die. I want action.
The better job we do Neil, the larger the
peace dividend will be for us. I am not here to 'save your souls' I am
here to refine my own practice of peace and as a secondary benefit to
share some of these tools with others.
Apparently atheists are not willing benefactors of your divinity.
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