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Religions > Atheism |
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"Tintagel" |
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12 Dec 2003 07:04:16 AM |
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My first post |
I've enjoyed reading debates here for some time now, mainly to broaden
my own knowledge and thinking. Unlike most of my friends, I'm not an
atheist but neither am I a follower of any particular religion. My
basic, simplistic view is "does it matter"? It's how you live and not
why that is more important to me.
Something that has interested me about people who post on here
(forgive me if this has been asked to death) is why do you post? I
can see that some people enjoy the social and (sometimes) intellectual
interaction, whereas others seem to be carrying out missionary work.
Does anybody know of anyone that has been converted (one way or
another) by an argument put forward in this group?
Thanks for reading, I look forwards to your replies.
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12 Dec 2003 07:14:28 AM |
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"Tintagel" <matar_ferozmente@hotmail.com> wrote
Does anybody know of anyone that has been converted
(one way or another) by an argument put forward in this
group?
Converted? Heck, it's almost unheard of for anyone on usenet
to concede an argument. Any argument. Any subject.
The last thing you're ever going to do on usenet is change
someone's mind.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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12 Dec 2003 12:11:39 PM |
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"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Tintagel" <matar_ferozmente@hotmail.com> wrote
Does anybody know of anyone that has been converted
(one way or another) by an argument put forward in this
group?
Converted? Heck, it's almost unheard of for anyone on usenet
to concede an argument. Any argument. Any subject.
The last thing you're ever going to do on usenet is change
someone's mind.
I'm not sure about that. T.O. made me question my beliefs and realize I was
an atheist rather than an agnostic.
I remember once that a fundie came into T.O. with the Darwin death bed
conversion story. He got the usual response.
A few days later he came back, admitted his error, and apologized. I am not
making this up.
I suspect quite a few people start on the road to though after encounters
here and in T.O.
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| User: "stoney" |
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14 Dec 2003 08:31:47 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:11:39 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>,
Message ID:
<vxnCb.184216$Ec1.6928845@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> wrote in
alt.atheism;
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:rqCdnaq23unyI0SiRVn-sw@comcast.com...
"Tintagel" <matar_ferozmente@hotmail.com> wrote
Does anybody know of anyone that has been converted
(one way or another) by an argument put forward in this
group?
Converted? Heck, it's almost unheard of for anyone on usenet
to concede an argument. Any argument. Any subject.
The last thing you're ever going to do on usenet is change
someone's mind.
I'm not sure about that. T.O. made me question my beliefs and realize I was
an atheist rather than an agnostic.
I remember once that a fundie came into T.O. with the Darwin death bed
conversion story. He got the usual response.
A few days later he came back, admitted his error, and apologized. I am not
making this up.
I know. There are some theists who have humanity and integrity.
I suspect quite a few people start on the road to though after encounters
here and in T.O.
Yes, there has been.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "JPG" |
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12 Dec 2003 08:41:02 AM |
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:14:28 -0500, "JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Tintagel" <matar_ferozmente@hotmail.com> wrote
Does anybody know of anyone that has been converted
(one way or another) by an argument put forward in this
group?
Converted? Heck, it's almost unheard of for anyone on usenet
to concede an argument. Any argument. Any subject.
The last thing you're ever going to do on usenet is change
someone's mind.
Didn't really change my mind as I was notionally atheist anyway but it was
cathartic to be able to vocalise (in print!) my thoughts.
There are some people who have been genuinely converted IALTB.
JPG
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| User: "stoney" |
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14 Dec 2003 08:30:41 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:14:28 -0500, "JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com>, Message
ID: <rqCdnaq23unyI0SiRVn-sw@comcast.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
"Tintagel" <matar_ferozmente@hotmail.com> wrote
Does anybody know of anyone that has been converted
(one way or another) by an argument put forward in this
group?
Converted? Heck, it's almost unheard of for anyone on usenet
to concede an argument. Any argument. Any subject.
The last thing you're ever going to do on usenet is change
someone's mind.
Disagree. That occurs from time to time.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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12 Dec 2003 10:54:55 AM |
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"Tintagel" <matar_ferozmente@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6987558e.0312120504.7a39523e@posting.google.com...
I've enjoyed reading debates here for some time now, mainly to broaden
my own knowledge and thinking. Unlike most of my friends, I'm not an
atheist but neither am I a follower of any particular religion. My
basic, simplistic view is "does it matter"? It's how you live and not
why that is more important to me.
Something that has interested me about people who post on here
(forgive me if this has been asked to death) is why do you post?
Huh? I thought you said it's how you live and not why that's important, yet
here you're asking why.
I post here because there are occasionally posts that crystallize my own
thoughts, or force me to look at something a different way, and also because
I feel like posting here.
I
can see that some people enjoy the social and (sometimes) intellectual
interaction, whereas others seem to be carrying out missionary work.
Well, yes, most of us do try to further the cause of rationality as it's
clearly in everyone's best interest to do so.
Does anybody know of anyone that has been converted (one way or
another) by an argument put forward in this group?
Actually there is a list of people who have shed their faith due in part to
this newsgroup.
Thanks for reading, I look forwards to your replies.
So what god do you think exists?
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Tintagel" |
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12 Dec 2003 06:01:06 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message news:<odednVpv-ZWzbkSiRVn-jw@io.com>...
"Tintagel" <matar_ferozmente@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6987558e.0312120504.7a39523e@posting.google.com...
I've enjoyed reading debates here for some time now, mainly to broaden
my own knowledge and thinking. Unlike most of my friends, I'm not an
atheist but neither am I a follower of any particular religion. My
basic, simplistic view is "does it matter"? It's how you live and not
why that is more important to me.
Something that has interested me about people who post on here
(forgive me if this has been asked to death) is why do you post?
Huh? I thought you said it's how you live and not why that's important, yet
here you're asking why.
I post here because there are occasionally posts that crystallize my own
thoughts, or force me to look at something a different way, and also because
I feel like posting here.
I
can see that some people enjoy the social and (sometimes) intellectual
interaction, whereas others seem to be carrying out missionary work.
Well, yes, most of us do try to further the cause of rationality as it's
clearly in everyone's best interest to do so.
Does anybody know of anyone that has been converted (one way or
another) by an argument put forward in this group?
Actually there is a list of people who have shed their faith due in part to
this newsgroup.
Thanks for reading, I look forwards to your replies.
So what god do you think exists?
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
Denis, the sadly honest answer to your question as to which god do I
think exists is "mine" aka I have no idea. Hence I cannot get into a
meaningful logical debate in support of the existance of a god, but
can see the logic of the arguments against there being one, especially
the one(s) described in mainstream religions. I "choose" not to be
athiest and to believe in my god for no better reason then it suits me
to. To try to clarify what I put initially, how you live (peacefully,
etc) is more important than why you live the way you do.(IMHO)
The irrationality of my belief is a part of the reason for reading
ng's like these. That's part of my reason for questioning why others
post.
Tintagel..
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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12 Dec 2003 06:15:51 PM |
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"Tintagel" <matar_ferozmente@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6987558e.0312121601.5df01dcc@posting.google.com...
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:<odednVpv-ZWzbkSiRVn-jw@io.com>...
"Tintagel" <matar_ferozmente@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6987558e.0312120504.7a39523e@posting.google.com...
I've enjoyed reading debates here for some time now, mainly to broaden
my own knowledge and thinking. Unlike most of my friends, I'm not an
atheist but neither am I a follower of any particular religion. My
basic, simplistic view is "does it matter"? It's how you live and not
why that is more important to me.
Something that has interested me about people who post on here
(forgive me if this has been asked to death) is why do you post?
Huh? I thought you said it's how you live and not why that's important,
yet
here you're asking why.
I post here because there are occasionally posts that crystallize my own
thoughts, or force me to look at something a different way, and also
because
I feel like posting here.
I
can see that some people enjoy the social and (sometimes) intellectual
interaction, whereas others seem to be carrying out missionary work.
Well, yes, most of us do try to further the cause of rationality as it's
clearly in everyone's best interest to do so.
Does anybody know of anyone that has been converted (one way or
another) by an argument put forward in this group?
Actually there is a list of people who have shed their faith due in part
to
this newsgroup.
Thanks for reading, I look forwards to your replies.
So what god do you think exists?
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
Denis, the sadly honest answer to your question as to which god do I
think exists is "mine" aka I have no idea. Hence I cannot get into a
meaningful logical debate in support of the existance of a god, but
can see the logic of the arguments against there being one, especially
the one(s) described in mainstream religions.
I "choose" not to be
athiest and to believe in my god for no better reason then it suits me
to.
I can understand that. Sometimes it's easier for me to blame things on a
malicious fate rather than simple circumstance, even though I know better.
To try to clarify what I put initially, how you live (peacefully,
etc) is more important than why you live the way you do.(IMHO)
Ah, I see now.
The irrationality of my belief is a part of the reason for reading
ng's like these. That's part of my reason for questioning why others
post.
But you're not giving us anything to swing at! ;-)
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "AngryJohn" |
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12 Dec 2003 10:52:30 PM |
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On 12 Dec 2003 16:01:06 -0800, (Tintagel)
wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message news:<odednVpv-ZWzbkSiRVn-jw@io.com>...
"Tintagel" < > wrote in message
news:6987558e.0312120504.7a39523e@posting.google.com...
I've enjoyed reading debates here for some time now, mainly to broaden
my own knowledge and thinking. Unlike most of my friends, I'm not an
atheist but neither am I a follower of any particular religion. My
basic, simplistic view is "does it matter"? It's how you live and not
why that is more important to me.
Something that has interested me about people who post on here
(forgive me if this has been asked to death) is why do you post?
Huh? I thought you said it's how you live and not why that's important, yet
here you're asking why.
I post here because there are occasionally posts that crystallize my own
thoughts, or force me to look at something a different way, and also because
I feel like posting here.
I
can see that some people enjoy the social and (sometimes) intellectual
interaction, whereas others seem to be carrying out missionary work.
Well, yes, most of us do try to further the cause of rationality as it's
clearly in everyone's best interest to do so.
Does anybody know of anyone that has been converted (one way or
another) by an argument put forward in this group?
Actually there is a list of people who have shed their faith due in part to
this newsgroup.
Thanks for reading, I look forwards to your replies.
So what god do you think exists?
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
Denis, the sadly honest answer to your question as to which god do I
think exists is "mine" aka I have no idea. Hence I cannot get into a
meaningful logical debate in support of the existance of a god, but
can see the logic of the arguments against there being one, especially
the one(s) described in mainstream religions. I "choose" not to be
athiest and to believe in my god for no better reason then it suits me
to. To try to clarify what I put initially, how you live (peacefully,
etc) is more important than why you live the way you do.(IMHO)
The irrationality of my belief is a part of the reason for reading
ng's like these. That's part of my reason for questioning why others
post.
Tintagel..
I appreciate an honest answer like this. Thanks
I really have no problem with any individual having a particular
faith, belief, religion, or whatever. I just do not want them
inflicting their belief on me. WHich does not mean them not sharing
what they believe for whatever reason. More like not teaching it in
school, running the government as if the leader is the ressurection of
jesus or gods chosen child, forcing religion on anyone by the use of a
government agency, etc........
Freedom is freedom. Freedom dependent upon supporting a religious
belief system isn't.
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aa#2106
Remove Belief to reply
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| User: "Tintagel" |
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13 Dec 2003 02:38:48 PM |
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AngryJohn <KuoshuJohnBelief@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<ug6ltvc3t564d8qaqk33vc1us98g4mfohe@4ax.com>...
On 12 Dec 2003 16:01:06 -0800, (Tintagel)
wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message news:<odednVpv-ZWzbkSiRVn-jw@io.com>...
"Tintagel" < > wrote in message
news:6987558e.0312120504.7a39523e@posting.google.com...
I've enjoyed reading debates here for some time now, mainly to broaden
my own knowledge and thinking. Unlike most of my friends, I'm not an
atheist but neither am I a follower of any particular religion. My
basic, simplistic view is "does it matter"? It's how you live and not
why that is more important to me.
Something that has interested me about people who post on here
(forgive me if this has been asked to death) is why do you post?
Huh? I thought you said it's how you live and not why that's important, yet
here you're asking why.
I post here because there are occasionally posts that crystallize my own
thoughts, or force me to look at something a different way, and also because
I feel like posting here.
I
can see that some people enjoy the social and (sometimes) intellectual
interaction, whereas others seem to be carrying out missionary work.
Well, yes, most of us do try to further the cause of rationality as it's
clearly in everyone's best interest to do so.
Does anybody know of anyone that has been converted (one way or
another) by an argument put forward in this group?
Actually there is a list of people who have shed their faith due in part to
this newsgroup.
Thanks for reading, I look forwards to your replies.
So what god do you think exists?
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
Denis, the sadly honest answer to your question as to which god do I
think exists is "mine" aka I have no idea. Hence I cannot get into a
meaningful logical debate in support of the existance of a god, but
can see the logic of the arguments against there being one, especially
the one(s) described in mainstream religions. I "choose" not to be
athiest and to believe in my god for no better reason then it suits me
to. To try to clarify what I put initially, how you live (peacefully,
etc) is more important than why you live the way you do.(IMHO)
The irrationality of my belief is a part of the reason for reading
ng's like these. That's part of my reason for questioning why others
post.
Tintagel..
I appreciate an honest answer like this. Thanks
I really have no problem with any individual having a particular
faith, belief, religion, or whatever. I just do not want them
inflicting their belief on me. WHich does not mean them not sharing
what they believe for whatever reason. More like not teaching it in
school, running the government as if the leader is the ressurection of
jesus or gods chosen child, forcing religion on anyone by the use of a
government agency, etc........
Freedom is freedom. Freedom dependent upon supporting a religious
belief system isn't.
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aa#2106
Remove Belief to reply
I know what you mean. Part of my thinking relates to humans being
basically animals.(IMHO) It's only the outward manifestation of our
basic instincts that have changed over the years. I was therefore
interested in my daughters (instictive) views on heaven etc. Prior to
starting school my daughter saw the local church and asked what it
was. My own philosophy means giving her the information in as unbiased
fashion as I can so she can make her own mind up. I explained as best
I could about how some people beleive in God, Jesus etc. I went on to
say they believe that they go to a better place called heaven when
they die. My three year old found this ridiculous. Dead people go in
the ground and that's that, was her view. (This is not mine or her
mum's so it's not a learned response). Within 6 months of starting
school, she is telling me how God made us all. Mind you she couldn't
understand why God didn't make streams. When I asked what she meant,
she said "well it's not in the song we've been singing, Rivers and the
sea are, but not streams)" At least she is thinking about what she is
being told..
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| User: "stoney" |
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14 Dec 2003 08:35:31 PM |
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On 12 Dec 2003 16:01:06 -0800, (Tintagel),
Message ID: <6987558e.0312121601.5df01dcc@posting.google.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message news:<odednVpv-ZWzbkSiRVn-jw@io.com>...
"Tintagel" < > wrote in message
news:6987558e.0312120504.7a39523e@posting.google.com...
I've enjoyed reading debates here for some time now, mainly to broaden
my own knowledge and thinking. Unlike most of my friends, I'm not an
atheist but neither am I a follower of any particular religion. My
basic, simplistic view is "does it matter"? It's how you live and not
why that is more important to me.
Something that has interested me about people who post on here
(forgive me if this has been asked to death) is why do you post?
Huh? I thought you said it's how you live and not why that's important, yet
here you're asking why.
I post here because there are occasionally posts that crystallize my own
thoughts, or force me to look at something a different way, and also because
I feel like posting here.
I
can see that some people enjoy the social and (sometimes) intellectual
interaction, whereas others seem to be carrying out missionary work.
Well, yes, most of us do try to further the cause of rationality as it's
clearly in everyone's best interest to do so.
Does anybody know of anyone that has been converted (one way or
another) by an argument put forward in this group?
Actually there is a list of people who have shed their faith due in part to
this newsgroup.
Thanks for reading, I look forwards to your replies.
So what god do you think exists?
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
Denis, the sadly honest answer to your question as to which god do I
think exists is "mine" aka I have no idea.
Kudos to you for the integrity. Other theists are in the same situation
only they have a tendency to identify under one 'tent' or another like
the sheep they are.
Hence I cannot get into a
meaningful logical debate in support of the existance of a god, but
can see the logic of the arguments against there being one, especially
the one(s) described in mainstream religions. I "choose" not to be
athiest and to believe in my god for no better reason then it suits me
to. To try to clarify what I put initially, how you live (peacefully,
etc) is more important than why you live the way you do.(IMHO)
The irrationality of my belief is a part of the reason for reading
ng's like these. That's part of my reason for questioning why others
post.
Reasonable, and very smart. The only way to gain knowledge is to ask
questions and listen.
Welcome to the 'zoo'.... :)
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Nullifidian" |
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14 Dec 2003 01:16:04 PM |
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(Tintagel) wrote in
news:6987558e.0312120504.7a39523e@posting.google.com:
Something that has interested me about people who post on here
(forgive me if this has been asked to death) is why do you post? I
can see that some people enjoy the social and (sometimes) intellectual
interaction, whereas others seem to be carrying out missionary work.
As you say, I enjoy the social and intellectual interaction. The only
thing about which I behave like a missionary is getting people to listen
to contemporary classical music. :-D
Does anybody know of anyone that has been converted (one way or
another) by an argument put forward in this group?
Thanks for reading, I look forwards to your replies.
Raven1 maintains the alt.atheism deconversion list, for theists who were
deconverted by what they read on this newsgroup. It's not a large list,
but it's pretty sizeable.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?P28931EC6
I don't know of a single atheist who converted to theism as a result of
the arguments offered here, but we tend to get the dregs of apologetics
around here.
--
Nullifidian, a.a. #1774 (Remove NO SPAM to e-mail me.)
Member of the EAC Scientific Priesthood Division (Biology Dept.)
"If you have seen me cross myself, it was to Science, Art and Nature."
- Bela Bartok
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12 Dec 2003 07:29:17 AM |
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And so upon Fri, 12 Dec 2003 05:04:16 -0800 didst Tintagel speak thusly:
Does anybody know of anyone that has been converted (one way or
another) by an argument put forward in this group?
Believe it or not, yes. In fact, there's a list around here somewhere of
people who became atheists because of the discussions on the ng.
Oh, it's not a cast of thousands but there actually are some.
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
http://nullusfides.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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12 Dec 2003 09:38:45 PM |
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On 12 Dec 2003 05:04:16 -0800, (Tintagel)
wrote:
Does anybody know of anyone that has been converted (one way or
another) by an argument put forward in this group?
Me, more or less. I was atheist, and following this group I became an
even stronger atheist... ;-)
I'm not sure, but I recall there is a conversion list somewhere. Of
people who did change their opinion. For better or for worse.
Anyway, welcome in the group.
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12 Dec 2003 06:12:57 PM |
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On 12 Dec 2003 05:04:16 -0800, (Tintagel)
wrote:
I've enjoyed reading debates here for some time now, mainly to broaden
my own knowledge and thinking. Unlike most of my friends, I'm not an
atheist but neither am I a follower of any particular religion. My
basic, simplistic view is "does it matter"? It's how you live and not
why that is more important to me.
Something that has interested me about people who post on here
(forgive me if this has been asked to death) is why do you post? I
can see that some people enjoy the social and (sometimes) intellectual
interaction, whereas others seem to be carrying out missionary work.
Does anybody know of anyone that has been converted (one way or
another) by an argument put forward in this group?
Thanks for reading, I look forwards to your replies.
It's only enlightening, fun, intellectually stimulating, thought
provoking, self verification and a release of emotion. That's what
keeps me reading and posting.
Simple as that.
If I make someone think even a little, good. If I make someone laugh,
better. I know I'm not the authority and it's fun to read those who
think they are. Sometimes I spit beer laughing!!
Maybe I ***** some people off. Easily disturbed people shouldn't read
newsgroups. Sorry.
At this old age, I'm mellow. The only drug I ***** with now is Viagra.
;)
drift
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| User: "stoney" |
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14 Dec 2003 08:40:24 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:12:57 -0500, drift@lost.net, Message ID:
<7olktvg9o5fhp7mphg69lag7bb8n10up2r@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On 12 Dec 2003 05:04:16 -0800, (Tintagel)
wrote:
I've enjoyed reading debates here for some time now, mainly to broaden
my own knowledge and thinking. Unlike most of my friends, I'm not an
atheist but neither am I a follower of any particular religion. My
basic, simplistic view is "does it matter"? It's how you live and not
why that is more important to me.
Something that has interested me about people who post on here
(forgive me if this has been asked to death) is why do you post? I
can see that some people enjoy the social and (sometimes) intellectual
interaction, whereas others seem to be carrying out missionary work.
Does anybody know of anyone that has been converted (one way or
another) by an argument put forward in this group?
Thanks for reading, I look forwards to your replies.
It's only enlightening, fun, intellectually stimulating, thought
provoking, self verification and a release of emotion. That's what
keeps me reading and posting.
Simple as that.
That too.
If I make someone think even a little, good. If I make someone laugh,
better. I know I'm not the authority and it's fun to read those who
think they are. Sometimes I spit beer laughing!!
I don't think people laugh enough. I like to think that with my antics,
absurdities, word and imagery play, and the like, including the 'barking
poetry,' lightens a persons day a bit. If so, I think it's highly
worthwhile.
Maybe I ***** some people off. Easily disturbed people shouldn't read
newsgroups. Sorry.
And there are some I deliberately try to ***** off.
At this old age, I'm mellow. The only drug I ***** with now is Viagra.
;)
Heh.....
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Yang" |
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| Title: Re: My first post |
12 Dec 2003 10:48:57 PM |
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On 12 Dec 2003 05:04:16 -0800, (Tintagel)
wrote:
I've enjoyed reading debates here for some time now, mainly to broaden
my own knowledge and thinking. Unlike most of my friends, I'm not an
atheist but neither am I a follower of any particular religion. My
basic, simplistic view is "does it matter"? It's how you live and not
why that is more important to me.
I think they're both important. Things that matter to me are the
things that intrigue me. This happenes to be one of them.
Something that has interested me about people who post on here
(forgive me if this has been asked to death) is why do you post?
Because I find it interesting.
I
can see that some people enjoy the social and (sometimes) intellectual
interaction, whereas others seem to be carrying out missionary work.
Does anybody know of anyone that has been converted (one way or
another) by an argument put forward in this group?
There have been cases into and out of atheism. I don't begrudge them
either way.
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Yang
a.a. #28
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -525 billion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -454 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: My first post |
14 Dec 2003 08:42:40 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 04:48:57 GMT, (Yang), Message
ID: <3fda9835.9487218@news.cox.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
On 12 Dec 2003 05:04:16 -0800, (Tintagel)
wrote:
I've enjoyed reading debates here for some time now, mainly to broaden
my own knowledge and thinking. Unlike most of my friends, I'm not an
atheist but neither am I a follower of any particular religion. My
basic, simplistic view is "does it matter"? It's how you live and not
why that is more important to me.
I think they're both important. Things that matter to me are the
things that intrigue me. This happenes to be one of them.
Something that has interested me about people who post on here
(forgive me if this has been asked to death) is why do you post?
Because I find it interesting.
I
can see that some people enjoy the social and (sometimes) intellectual
interaction, whereas others seem to be carrying out missionary work.
Does anybody know of anyone that has been converted (one way or
another) by an argument put forward in this group?
There have been cases into and out of atheism. I don't begrudge them
either way.
I'm aware of one out of a lack of theism and that person would change
brands of theism every few years. It wasn't a surprise to folks here
when the person changed back to theism.
It's their personal business.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: My first post |
14 Dec 2003 08:30:05 PM |
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On 12 Dec 2003 05:04:16 -0800, (Tintagel),
Message ID: <6987558e.0312120504.7a39523e@posting.google.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
I've enjoyed reading debates here for some time now, mainly to broaden
my own knowledge and thinking.
Cool.
Unlike most of my friends, I'm not an
atheist but neither am I a follower of any particular religion. My
basic, simplistic view is "does it matter"? It's how you live and not
why that is more important to me.
No argument from me.
Something that has interested me about people who post on here
(forgive me if this has been asked to death) is why do you post? I
can see that some people enjoy the social and (sometimes) intellectual
interaction, whereas others seem to be carrying out missionary work.
For me, it's the jokes, antics, absurdities, parodies, zingers as well
as interaction with people from different walks of life and from
different parts of the world.
This newsgroup is like the American Wild West in that one can never be
quite certain what will be in the next post. Every topic under the sun
is welcomed, and examined. And 'sacred cows' only exist to be skewered.
One never knows what they will learn from post to post.
Does anybody know of anyone that has been converted (one way or
another) by an argument put forward in this group?
There's a list of deconversions around somewhere. I think it's
somewhere around fifty people. There have been several folks who lost
their faith due to the slathering of 'mad dog' theists.
Thanks for reading, I look forwards to your replies.
You're quite welcome.
Stoney USAF-RET-Disabled
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Rv Cloim" |
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| Title: Re: My first post |
12 Dec 2003 05:59:50 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 05:04:16 -0800, Tintagel wrote:
I've enjoyed reading debates here for some time now, mainly to broaden
my own knowledge and thinking. Unlike most of my friends, I'm not an
atheist but neither am I a follower of any particular religion. My
basic, simplistic view is "does it matter"? It's how you live and not
why that is more important to me.
Something that has interested me about people who post on here
(forgive me if this has been asked to death) is why do you post?
Religion is a hobby of mine. I collect them. Pack them up in little e-boxes
and store them in a corner of my hard-drive.
Sometimes I have questions about one of them. Sometimes I'm trying to be
helpful. Leading by example, as it were.
My primary interest here, however, is not with religion or a lack thereof.
It's with the opinions of atheists on a variety of issues *other than*
religion. e.g. politics, history, music, art, logic, reason.
I
can see that some people enjoy the social and (sometimes) intellectual
interaction, whereas others seem to be carrying out missionary work.
Some try.
Does anybody know of anyone that has been converted (one way or
another) by an argument put forward in this group?
Thanks for reading, I look forwards to your replies.
Have fun.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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12 Dec 2003 07:32:36 AM |
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Tintagel wrote:
I've enjoyed reading debates here for some time now, mainly to broaden
my own knowledge and thinking. Unlike most of my friends, I'm not an
atheist but neither am I a follower of any particular religion. My
basic, simplistic view is "does it matter"? It's how you live and not
why that is more important to me.
Something that has interested me about people who post on here
(forgive me if this has been asked to death) is why do you post? I
can see that some people enjoy the social and (sometimes) intellectual
interaction, whereas others seem to be carrying out missionary work.
Does anybody know of anyone that has been converted (one way or
another) by an argument put forward in this group?
Thanks for reading, I look forwards to your replies.
Different people, different reasons. The fundamentalist Christians must be
trying to gain converts, and are overwhelmed by the latest intellectual gem
that they've discovered, certain it will overawe us evil atheists, and lead
us to the "truth".
I read and post because it's refreshing to find such a diversity of opinions
on politics, social issues, etc. That and it's kinda fun to beat a fundie's
latest "gem" into at spot of phlem it is.
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Enkidu
hhe1mxo02@sneakemail.com
PGP KeyID 0xC5FEABDF
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Of all things, good sense is the most fairly distributed: everyone
thinks he is so well supplied with it that even those who are the
hardest to satisfy in every other respect never desire more of it than
they already have.
René Descartes, Discours de la Méthode. 1637.
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| User: "duke" |
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13 Dec 2003 07:18:36 AM |
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 05:32:36 -0800, "Enkidu" <hhe1mxo02@sneakemail.com> wrote:
Different people, different reasons. The fundamentalist Christians must be
trying to gain converts,
Not me. That would be a distinct plus, but my purpose is just to correct the
unbelievably demonstrated, unquestionably wrong, and totally unfounded belief
system of the average atheist.
Some of the shennigans you atheists pull out with the rabbit are totally
laughable.
and are overwhelmed by the latest intellectual gem
that they've discovered, certain it will overawe us evil atheists, and lead
us to the "truth".
The biggest problem is that I have yet to find an atheist that can explain his
belief, or provide evidence for his belief.
Not a one can offer anything other than ignorance and a desire to just say "no".
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| User: "LP" |
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13 Dec 2003 08:51:05 AM |
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 07:18:36 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 05:32:36 -0800, "Enkidu" <hhe1mxo02@sneakemail.com> wrote:
Different people, different reasons. The fundamentalist Christians must be
trying to gain converts,
Not me. That would be a distinct plus, but my purpose is just to correct the
unbelievably demonstrated, unquestionably wrong, and totally unfounded belief
system of the average atheist.
If your purpose is to "correct" our thinking, why have you presented
nothing whatsoever that would lead to such a correction?
Some of the shennigans you atheists pull out with the rabbit are totally
laughable.
and are overwhelmed by the latest intellectual gem
that they've discovered, certain it will overawe us evil atheists, and lead
us to the "truth".
The biggest problem is that I have yet to find an atheist that can explain his
belief, or provide evidence for his belief.
What evidence have you shown for your belief that leprechauns do not
exist?
Not a one can offer anything other than ignorance and a desire to just say "no".
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| User: "notterrynotrite" |
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| Title: Re: My first post |
12 Dec 2003 09:07:56 AM |
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x-no-archive: yes
this NG is nut bar central, the really strange ones live on
alt.flame.jesuschrist but it is very clannish like sheep.
alt.bible.prophecy is good for a chuckle they predict all the
tribulations and such so they're usually a very happy bunch just
waiting to be called. Funny none of them ever seem to volunteer "to
go". If you want real sicko, wacko, psychos like charley Manson
you'll want alt.tasteless. They go for death(in all its gruesome
forms complete with pics) and dismemberment. Fecal fetishm is a big
hit over there.
"Tintagel" <matar_ferozmente@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6987558e.0312120504.7a39523e@posting.google.com...
I've enjoyed reading debates here for some time now, mainly to
broaden
my own knowledge and thinking. Unlike most of my friends, I'm not an
atheist but neither am I a follower of any particular religion. My
basic, simplistic view is "does it matter"? It's how you live and
not
why that is more important to me.
Something that has interested me about people who post on here
(forgive me if this has been asked to death) is why do you post? I
can see that some people enjoy the social and (sometimes)
intellectual
interaction, whereas others seem to be carrying out missionary work.
Does anybody know of anyone that has been converted (one way or
another) by an argument put forward in this group?
Thanks for reading, I look forwards to your replies.
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