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"Mike Painter" |
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29 Oct 2004 10:04:44 PM |
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My fundie Republican friend |
My good friend belongs to a fundamentalist church and is a Republican, has
been all his life.
He is also quite well off, having retired a few years ago at 50 something
when his family sold their McDonalds.
The other day he told me that his oldest daughter had said she would
probably vote for Bush. He was not pleased, sat her down and had a long talk
with her.
I wonder how many other fundie Republicans are having such talks?
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| User: "jwk" |
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| Title: Re: My fundie Republican friend |
30 Oct 2004 08:27:19 AM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<gxDgd.36696$QJ3.26771@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>...
My good friend belongs to a fundamentalist church and is a Republican, has
been all his life.
He is also quite well off, having retired a few years ago at 50 something
when his family sold their McDonalds.
The other day he told me that his oldest daughter had said she would
probably vote for Bush. He was not pleased, sat her down and had a long talk
with her.
I wonder how many other fundie Republicans are having such talks?
Nowhere near enough.
There was a news-show on just the other day with fundies saying how
they thought God was in the White House (refering to Bush).
jwk
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: My fundie Republican friend |
30 Oct 2004 02:01:19 AM |
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In article <gxDgd.36696$QJ3.26771@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
My good friend belongs to a fundamentalist church and is a Republican, has
been all his life.
He is also quite well off, having retired a few years ago at 50 something
when his family sold their McDonalds.
The other day he told me that his oldest daughter had said she would
probably vote for Bush. He was not pleased, sat her down and had a long talk
with her.
I wonder how many other fundie Republicans are having such talks?
I've seen several articles like the following where many fundies oppose
Bush because of the war and other issues:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/102804C.shtml
They may not vote for Kerry though, they just may not vote at all.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: My fundie Republican friend |
30 Oct 2004 09:38:17 AM |
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"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote
I've seen several articles like the following where many fundies
oppose Bush because of the war and other issues:
Yes, I've seen those too.
I've got to wonder if it's really about "Fundies" or if it's about
traditional Rebulicans.
Latest figures I've seen (and, again, the polls this year have all
been particularly suspect) is that Bush is 5 to 10 points
behind where he was amongst fundies last time around.
On it's surface that sounds like a lot, but then you consider
that as many as 20% of the fundies (according to the fundy
calculations) didn't even vote in 2000.
So, in 2000, as many as 20% of the fundies who voted didn't
support Bush, and another 20% wouldn't even go to the polls.
This year Bush is polling less than 80% amongst fundies, but
the turn-out is expected to be higher.
So, it's not at all clear at this point if Bush actually has fewer
net fundy votes than he did in 2000.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: My fundie Republican friend |
31 Oct 2004 01:34:09 AM |
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In article <i7udnVn_EuVTOB7cRVn-pw@comcast.com>,
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote
I've seen several articles like the following where many fundies
oppose Bush because of the war and other issues:
Yes, I've seen those too.
I've got to wonder if it's really about "Fundies" or if it's about
traditional Rebulicans.
I don't think that the fundies, in this case evangelical Christians, are
as monolithic as we are sometimes led to believe. I watched a program on
CNN. "The Fight Over Faith" tonight about the rise of the evangelicals
and their impact on US politics. One of the guests happened to mention
that while all fundamentalists believe in the literal 'truth' of the
Bible, there are many ways to interpret that truth.
Some may actually believe that sermon on the mount stuff about "Blessed
are the peacemakers" those who take care of the sick, the hungry, and
the oppressed.
Latest figures I've seen (and, again, the polls this year have all
been particularly suspect) is that Bush is 5 to 10 points
behind where he was amongst fundies last time around.
On it's surface that sounds like a lot, but then you consider
that as many as 20% of the fundies (according to the fundy
calculations) didn't even vote in 2000.
So, in 2000, as many as 20% of the fundies who voted didn't
support Bush, and another 20% wouldn't even go to the polls.
This year Bush is polling less than 80% amongst fundies, but
the turn-out is expected to be higher.
So, it's not at all clear at this point if Bush actually has fewer
net fundy votes than he did in 2000.
I think that given their heavy active proselytization for Bush, he will
get the vast majority of the fundy votes. As you point out though, a lot
will depend on turnout.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: My fundie Republican friend |
30 Oct 2004 01:15:55 PM |
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On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:38:17 -0400, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote
I've seen several articles like the following where many fundies
oppose Bush because of the war and other issues:
Yes, I've seen those too.
I've got to wonder if it's really about "Fundies" or if it's about
traditional Rebulicans.
Latest figures I've seen (and, again, the polls this year have all
been particularly suspect) is that Bush is 5 to 10 points
behind where he was amongst fundies last time around.
On it's surface that sounds like a lot, but then you consider
that as many as 20% of the fundies (according to the fundy
calculations) didn't even vote in 2000.
So, in 2000, as many as 20% of the fundies who voted didn't
support Bush, and another 20% wouldn't even go to the polls.
This year Bush is polling less than 80% amongst fundies, but
the turn-out is expected to be higher.
So, it's not at all clear at this point if Bush actually has fewer
net fundy votes than he did in 2000.
Diebold hasn't yet decided what the point spread will be.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Vote for Bush. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
No matter the candidates the superstition industry wins.
'Jesus' is a sock-puppet Christians utilize to add 'authority' to
whatever action they intend on taking. -Stoney
And Duty Imp and Rapscallion
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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| Title: Re: My fundie Republican friend |
30 Oct 2004 02:02:37 PM |
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On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:01:19 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> thought
hard and said:
In article <gxDgd.36696$QJ3.26771@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
My good friend belongs to a fundamentalist church and is a Republican, has
been all his life.
He is also quite well off, having retired a few years ago at 50 something
when his family sold their McDonalds.
The other day he told me that his oldest daughter had said she would
probably vote for Bush. He was not pleased, sat her down and had a long talk
with her.
I wonder how many other fundie Republicans are having such talks?
I've seen several articles like the following where many fundies oppose
Bush because of the war and other issues:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/102804C.shtml
They may not vote for Kerry though, they just may not vote at all.
"Anything but Bush, Except for Kerry."
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "duke" |
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31 Oct 2004 12:40:08 PM |
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On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 03:04:44 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
My good friend belongs to a fundamentalist church and is a Republican, has
been all his life.
He is also quite well off, having retired a few years ago at 50 something
when his family sold their McDonalds.
The other day he told me that his oldest daughter had said she would
probably vote for Bush. He was not pleased, sat her down and had a long talk
with her.
I wonder how many other fundie Republicans are having such talks?
I hope a whole lot of them.
Sounds like his daughter knows a lot more than he does.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: My fundie Republican friend |
31 Oct 2004 02:28:14 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 03:04:44 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
My good friend belongs to a fundamentalist church and is a
Republican, has been all his life.
He is also quite well off, having retired a few years ago at 50
something when his family sold their McDonalds.
The other day he told me that his oldest daughter had said she would
probably vote for Bush. He was not pleased, sat her down and had a
long talk with her.
I wonder how many other fundie Republicans are having such talks?
I hope a whole lot of them.
Me too. She won't vote for Bush now.
Sounds like his daughter knows a lot more than he does.
You wouldn't like her. She works for an organization that supports women and
speaks out against bigots like Earl.
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| User: "duke" |
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01 Nov 2004 06:03:04 AM |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:28:14 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I wonder how many other fundie Republicans are having such talks?
I hope a whole lot of them.
Me too. She won't vote for Bush now.
And daddy won't know.
Sounds like his daughter knows a lot more than he does.
You wouldn't like her. She works for an organization that supports women and
speaks out against bigots like Earl.
Then it's a good thing I'm not a bigot.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: My fundie Republican friend |
01 Nov 2004 03:02:23 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:28:14 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I wonder how many other fundie Republicans are having such talks?
I hope a whole lot of them.
Me too. She won't vote for Bush now.
And daddy won't know.
Sounds like his daughter knows a lot more than he does.
You wouldn't like her. She works for an organization that supports
women and speaks out against bigots like Earl.
Then it's a good thing I'm not a bigot.
Here Earl says he is not a bigot and in the next post I read from him he
says "Actually I'm clearly more intelligent and less of a bigot than you
are." thus admitting he is a bigot.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: My fundie Republican friend |
02 Nov 2004 05:36:54 PM |
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On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 21:02:23 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Then it's a good thing I'm not a bigot.
Here Earl says he is not a bigot and in the next post I read from him he
says "Actually I'm clearly more intelligent and less of a bigot than you
are." thus admitting he is a bigot.
That's right, my no-bigotry is less than your bigotry.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Fear gan dia" |
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30 Oct 2004 03:17:08 PM |
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There are rumors on the internets that "Mike Painter"
said in <gxDgd.36696$QJ3.26771@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>:
My good friend belongs to a fundamentalist church and is a Republican, has
been all his life.
He is also quite well off, having retired a few years ago at 50 something
when his family sold their McDonalds.
The other day he told me that his oldest daughter had said she would
probably vote for Bush. He was not pleased, sat her down and had a long talk
with her.
I wonder how many other fundie Republicans are having such talks?
I'm sure a lot of people would be surprised how many.
http://www.sierratimes.com/04/10/20/carlworden.htm
http://www.bushrelativesforkerry.com/
http://www.amconmag.com/2004_11_08/cover1.html
http://www.idahostatesman.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041024/NEWS0501/410240319/1053
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The Very Irrev. Fear gan dia # http://goddamliberal.port5.com
It's the stupidity, stupid!
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