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11 Oct 2006 03:38:58 AM |
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My Rant |
I am so sick of all of the ***** that seems to be flowing freely
through today's world. Every time you turn around you hear about this
fantastical - that's right I said fantastical - nonsense that keeps
getting force-fed to us. Foley wants to bang a 16-year-old boy. It's
all blamed on the Democrats and the "liberal" media. The Right is
blaming the Left for allowing Kim Jong Crazy for allowing North Korea
to develop nucular, I'm sorry, nuclear weapons. When everyone with a
rational mind can acknowledge that every administration over the last
twenty years shares in accountability. When McCain placed the blame
solely on Clinton, it illustrated the bipolar partisanship of today's
politics. The sad thing for me is I am neither Democrat nor
Republican. I'm completely sick of both parties. The spotlight just
happens to be on the Right. Hell, they control all branches of gov't,
right?
Rumsfeld "listens to the generals in the field," yet most of the
generals that have served under the Bush regime have time and time
again rebutted and called out the ***** excuses for going to war in
Iraq. The sad thing is that's old news.
What is this regime going to do to spin tomorrow's headlines? It's
always someone else's fault. There is absolutely no accountability. I
remember what my mom used to do to me when I would try to play the
"blame game" - I admit I've stolen that overused term from the
Republican vernacular. She would whup my *****. "Don't blame your
brother for not cleaning your room!!! Don't blame me working 3 jobs
for you missing class!!!" Take some ***** responsibility for your
actions.
Wait, I'm sorry; I forgot. The Bushmeister doesn't hold his people
accountable, so why admit to guilt? Cheney is still holding on to the
notion that Iraq had something to do with 911, that Iraq had weapons of
mass destruction - hell, the Republican leader of the House
Intelligence Committee, Peter Hoekstra, still asserts that WMDs are
still over there. He wants to form a commission.
***** me running!!! Are you kidding me?
Whatever happened to rationality? To logic? I'm sorry; I forgot that
this administration has a direct link to god. With god, who needs
rationality or logic? It's all about faith, anyway. Like Colbert
says, if it feels right, then it is right. Who needs facts? The Earth
has only been around for 6,000+/- years, right? god told Bush that his
legacy is to spread freedom. I don't know about you, but I've been to
AA. A lot of those poor people had someone talking to them, too.
I'm agnostic (because I'm not arrogant enough to claim one way or
another if a supernatural entity exists - if I can't taste, feel,
smell, hear, or see it, who am I to judge?) and I am a little weary of
people who claim that "god" speaks to them. I understand talking to
your god, but if you hear god speaking to you you have a god complex.
If your god were as omniscient, omnipotent, and as omnipresent as you
believe he/she/it is, why the hell would he/she/it talk to you?
By the way, if god is omnipotent couldn't he/she/it create something so
heavy even he/she/it couldn't lift it? If he/she/it were omniscient,
free will would not exist because he/she/it knows everything that is
and everything that will be. That means that he/she/it already knows
the future, which denotes fate, and that means you are predetermined to
do what you do. If he/she/it is omnipresent that means he/she/it is in
hell, as well. He/she/it is everywhere, right? I guess that means I
will see god in hell.
The canon that god created man in his image is simply false because,
through the arrogance of man, we created god in our own image - a petty
hominid with a white beard succumbing to the common preoccupations that
plague our psyche.
But I digress. I was raised to be a proud American. I still feel
proud to be born in a country whose ideals changed the face of the
world. Those ideals are being challenged. Our proud American leaders
just suspended Habeas Corpus - the right to be brought before a judge
to prevent illegal imprisonment. Our proud American leaders just gave
our wonderful president (the one who called astronauts spatial
entrepreneurs, remember?) the right to define treaties like the Geneva
Convention. Our constitution reserves that Right for the Judiciary,
right? You do remember that from middle school, right? RIGHT?!?
What about the erosion of free speech? Characterizing people critical
of the administration as terrorist sympathizers or appeasers is
un-American. A great president once said:
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president... is
morally treasonable to the American public."
That president was Teddy Roosevelt. He was Republican, by the way.
This Orwellian administration has me fucking nervous. There is another
quote I would like to share:
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders
of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple
matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the
country to greater danger."
Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials.
He was a Nazi, by the way.
I don't know what to do anymore.
Thank god (you know who you are) for Jon Stewart.
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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11 Oct 2006 03:56:01 AM |
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wrote:
I am so sick of all of the ***** that seems to be flowing freely
through today's world.
This is an international forum. Your screed about purely US politics
could find a better home, or have been phrased in a less condescending
manner ("Our constitution reserves that Right for the Judiciary,
right? You do remember that from middle school, right? RIGHT?!?") in an
effort to *not* make America look still more foolish and self-centered.
I'm agnostic (because I'm not arrogant enough to claim one way or
another if a supernatural entity exists - if I can't taste, feel,
smell, hear, or see it, who am I to judge?) and I am a little weary of
people who claim that "god" speaks to them.
Arrogant? Ignorant, you mean. Agnostic means you don't know that a
god exists, but your slam about "arrogance" is presumably meant to put
both atheists and theists in their places, despite the fact those terms
refer to belief. If you don't know what you believe, then you have
greater troubles than you think.
If your god were as omniscient, omnipotent, and as omnipresent as you
believe he/she/it is, why the hell would he/she/it talk to you?
Asking this in a religious newsgroup would be a better use of your
time.
--
L. Raymond
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| User: "" |
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11 Oct 2006 05:18:15 AM |
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I'm sorry, L. Raymond. I didn't realize that the international
community cared about Dennis Hastert or migration to El Norte.
Ignorant, yes L. Raymond, that is exactly what A - Gnostic means.
Without knowledge.
I know what I believe, and I know what I don't believe. I don't
believe in a god. In fact, I think it's a silly notion. However,
without proof one way or another I refuse to live in a world of dogma.
Empirically, you can't say one way or another. That's the difference
between you and me - I know the difference between knowledge and
belief.
One more thing. When it comes to condescension, I apologize. I don't
know if you live in the States, or not, but I'm a little tired of being
force-fed simplicity in regard to world events every day in our
American media. My condescension is just a reaction to my
interpretation of the state of American society. Call it frustration.
If I look foolish and self-centered in the world's eyes for my
frustration about the direction America is going, again, I apoligize.
I didn't realize people reading alt.atheism would be so insecure.
L. Raymond wrote:
happybastard@gmail.com wrote:
I am so sick of all of the ***** that seems to be flowing freely
through today's world.
This is an international forum. Your screed about purely US politics
could find a better home, or have been phrased in a less condescending
manner ("Our constitution reserves that Right for the Judiciary,
right? You do remember that from middle school, right? RIGHT?!?") in an
effort to *not* make America look still more foolish and self-centered.
I'm agnostic (because I'm not arrogant enough to claim one way or
another if a supernatural entity exists - if I can't taste, feel,
smell, hear, or see it, who am I to judge?) and I am a little weary of
people who claim that "god" speaks to them.
Arrogant? Ignorant, you mean. Agnostic means you don't know that a
god exists, but your slam about "arrogance" is presumably meant to put
both atheists and theists in their places, despite the fact those terms
refer to belief. If you don't know what you believe, then you have
greater troubles than you think.
If your god were as omniscient, omnipotent, and as omnipresent as you
believe he/she/it is, why the hell would he/she/it talk to you?
Asking this in a religious newsgroup would be a better use of your
time.
--
L. Raymond
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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11 Oct 2006 07:49:09 AM |
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wrote:
I know what I believe, and I know what I don't believe. I don't
believe in a god. In fact, I think it's a silly notion. However,
without proof one way or another I refuse to live in a world of dogma.
Empirically, you can't say one way or another. That's the difference
between you and me - I know the difference between knowledge and
belief.
Nonsense, as you've already proven. You think you "know" me well
enough to say I'm dogmatic when you just believe that.
One more thing. When it comes to condescension, I apologize. I don't
know if you live in the States, or not, ...
I'm in Texas.
... but I'm a little tired of being
force-fed simplicity in regard to world events every day in our
American media.
Do you mean broadcast news? News magazines? Newspapers? Underground
newspapers? Cable news? Radio talk shows? PBS or NPR? Blogs? With the
massive variety of news outlets available, if you feel you're being
force-fed anything, it's being done by your choice. If you feel
everyone else is being force-fed black & white interpretations of events
and you want to lecture them, then this is a good place to get practice
your tone, which clearly needs help.
My condescension is just a reaction to my
interpretation of the state of American society. Call it frustration.
No, I call it condescension. You probably put at least 15 minutes
into writing what you did. An additional five minutes more to proofread
it for patronizing phases would have been useful. You failed to check
for condescension in this post, too, but maybe the next?
If I look foolish and self-centered in the world's eyes for my
frustration about the direction America is going, again, I apoligize.
I didn't realize people reading alt.atheism would be so insecure.
No, you look foolish and self-centered because of remarks like this
one. You think your feelings and opinions are of such weight that
anyone exposed to them must agree or be "insecure"? I hate to break it
to you, but that is almost the definition of insecurity. You can't
accept the fact someone may not be positively impressed by what you
wrote, so you have to say anyone who criticizes you is wrong.
--
L. Raymond
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: My Rant |
13 Oct 2006 10:25:53 PM |
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On 10 Oct 2006 22:18:15 -0700, "happybastard@gmail.com"
<happybastard@gmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
I'm sorry, L. Raymond. I didn't realize that the international
community cared about Dennis Hastert or migration to El Norte.
Ignorant, yes L. Raymond, that is exactly what A - Gnostic means.
Without knowledge.
Without knowledge of what-exactly?
I know what I believe, and I know what I don't believe. I don't
believe in a god. In fact, I think it's a silly notion. However,
without proof one way or another I refuse to live in a world of dogma.
Myraids of objective evidence indicate deity does not exist.
Empirically, you can't say one way or another.
Wrong.
That's the difference
between you and me - I know the difference between knowledge and
belief.
Do you?
One more thing. When it comes to condescension, I apologize. I don't
know if you live in the States, or not, but I'm a little tired of being
force-fed simplicity in regard to world events every day in our
American media. My condescension is just a reaction to my
interpretation of the state of American society. Call it frustration.
If I look foolish and self-centered in the world's eyes for my
frustration about the direction America is going, again, I apoligize.
I didn't realize people reading alt.atheism would be so insecure.
L. Raymond wrote:
happybastard@gmail.com wrote:
I am so sick of all of the ***** that seems to be flowing freely
through today's world.
This is an international forum. Your screed about purely US politics
could find a better home, or have been phrased in a less condescending
manner ("Our constitution reserves that Right for the Judiciary,
right? You do remember that from middle school, right? RIGHT?!?") in an
effort to *not* make America look still more foolish and self-centered.
I'm agnostic (because I'm not arrogant enough to claim one way or
another if a supernatural entity exists - if I can't taste, feel,
smell, hear, or see it, who am I to judge?) and I am a little weary of
people who claim that "god" speaks to them.
Arrogant? Ignorant, you mean. Agnostic means you don't know that a
god exists, but your slam about "arrogance" is presumably meant to put
both atheists and theists in their places, despite the fact those terms
refer to belief. If you don't know what you believe, then you have
greater troubles than you think.
If your god were as omniscient, omnipotent, and as omnipresent as you
believe he/she/it is, why the hell would he/she/it talk to you?
Asking this in a religious newsgroup would be a better use of your
time.
--
L. Raymond
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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11 Oct 2006 03:06:46 PM |
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On 10 Oct 2006 22:18:15 -0700, "happybastard@gmail.com"
<happybastard@gmail.com> wrote:
I know what I believe, and I know what I don't believe. I don't
believe in a god.
Then you're an atheist. An agnostic one. Like most atheists who post
to alt.atheism. You don't believe and you don't claim to know. Belief
and knowledge aren't the same thing.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
Is he willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Whence then comes evil?
-Epicurus, 3rd c. B
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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| User: "towelie" |
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12 Oct 2006 02:15:57 AM |
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L. Raymond wrote:
happybastard@gmail.com wrote:
I am so sick of all of the ***** that seems to be flowing freely
through today's world.
This is an international forum. Your screed about purely US politics
could find a better home, or have been phrased in a less condescending
manner ("Our constitution reserves that Right for the Judiciary,
right? You do remember that from middle school, right? RIGHT?!?") in
an effort to *not* make America look still more foolish and
self-centered.
I'm agnostic (because I'm not arrogant enough to claim one way or
another if a supernatural entity exists - if I can't taste, feel,
smell, hear, or see it, who am I to judge?) and I am a little weary
of people who claim that "god" speaks to them.
Arrogant? Ignorant, you mean. Agnostic means you don't know that a
god exists, but your slam about "arrogance" is presumably meant to put
both atheists and theists in their places, despite the fact those
terms refer to belief. If you don't know what you believe, then you
have greater troubles than you think.
If your god were as omniscient, omnipotent, and as omnipresent as you
believe he/she/it is, why the hell would he/she/it talk to you?
Asking this in a religious newsgroup would be a better use of your
time.
FWIW, I liked the rant.
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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13 Oct 2006 11:22:31 PM |
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wrote:
I hear ya, kiddo. You are not alone in your sentiments.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "stoney" |
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13 Oct 2006 10:22:59 PM |
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On 10 Oct 2006 20:38:58 -0700, "happybastard@gmail.com"
<happybastard@gmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
I am so sick of all of the ***** that seems to be flowing freely
through today's world. Every time you turn around you hear about this
fantastical - that's right I said fantastical - nonsense that keeps
getting force-fed to us. Foley wants to bang a 16-year-old boy. It's
all blamed on the Democrats and the "liberal" media. The Right is
blaming the Left for allowing Kim Jong Crazy for allowing North Korea
to develop nucular, I'm sorry, nuclear weapons. When everyone with a
rational mind can acknowledge that every administration over the last
twenty years shares in accountability. When McCain placed the blame
solely on Clinton, it illustrated the bipolar partisanship of today's
politics. The sad thing for me is I am neither Democrat nor
Republican. I'm completely sick of both parties. The spotlight just
happens to be on the Right. Hell, they control all branches of gov't,
right?
Rumsfeld "listens to the generals in the field," yet most of the
generals that have served under the Bush regime have time and time
again rebutted and called out the ***** excuses for going to war in
Iraq. The sad thing is that's old news.
What is this regime going to do to spin tomorrow's headlines? It's
always someone else's fault. There is absolutely no accountability. I
remember what my mom used to do to me when I would try to play the
"blame game" - I admit I've stolen that overused term from the
Republican vernacular. She would whup my *****. "Don't blame your
brother for not cleaning your room!!! Don't blame me working 3 jobs
for you missing class!!!" Take some ***** responsibility for your
actions.
Wait, I'm sorry; I forgot. The Bushmeister doesn't hold his people
accountable, so why admit to guilt? Cheney is still holding on to the
notion that Iraq had something to do with 911, that Iraq had weapons of
mass destruction - hell, the Republican leader of the House
Intelligence Committee, Peter Hoekstra, still asserts that WMDs are
still over there. He wants to form a commission.
***** me running!!! Are you kidding me?
Oh hell no. These clowns are all tripping on LSD!
Whatever happened to rationality? To logic? I'm sorry; I forgot that
this administration has a direct link to god. With god, who needs
rationality or logic? It's all about faith, anyway. Like Colbert
says, if it feels right, then it is right. Who needs facts? The Earth
has only been around for 6,000+/- years, right? god told Bush that his
legacy is to spread freedom. I don't know about you, but I've been to
AA. A lot of those poor people had someone talking to them, too.
I'm agnostic (because I'm not arrogant enough to claim one way or
another if a supernatural entity exists - if I can't taste, feel,
smell, hear, or see it, who am I to judge?) and I am a little weary of
people who claim that "god" speaks to them. I understand talking to
your god, but if you hear god speaking to you you have a god complex.
What's there to *know?* The 'supernatural' doesn't exist. Period.
If your god were as omniscient, omnipotent, and as omnipresent as you
believe he/she/it is, why the hell would he/she/it talk to you?
The omni characteristics self-destruct under the weight of their own
inheirant contradictions. Said 'entity' does not exist.
By the way, if god is omnipotent couldn't he/she/it create something so
heavy even he/she/it couldn't lift it? If he/she/it were omniscient,
free will would not exist because he/she/it knows everything that is
and everything that will be. That means that he/she/it already knows
the future, which denotes fate, and that means you are predetermined to
do what you do. If he/she/it is omnipresent that means he/she/it is in
hell, as well. He/she/it is everywhere, right? I guess that means I
will see god in hell.
The canon that god created man in his image is simply false because,
through the arrogance of man, we created god in our own image - a petty
hominid with a white beard succumbing to the common preoccupations that
plague our psyche.
And, generally, those promoting same are the epitome of petty and
shallow, not to mention pig ignorant.
But I digress. I was raised to be a proud American. I still feel
proud to be born in a country whose ideals changed the face of the
world. Those ideals are being challenged. Our proud American leaders
just suspended Habeas Corpus - the right to be brought before a judge
to prevent illegal imprisonment. Our proud American leaders just gave
our wonderful president (the one who called astronauts spatial
entrepreneurs, remember?) the right to define treaties like the Geneva
Convention. Our constitution reserves that Right for the Judiciary,
right? You do remember that from middle school, right? RIGHT?!?
The ***** House [former white house] and CONgress' been wiping their
arses with the Constitution for some years now.
What about the erosion of free speech? Characterizing people critical
of the administration as terrorist sympathizers or appeasers is
un-American. A great president once said:
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president... is
morally treasonable to the American public."
That president was Teddy Roosevelt. He was Republican, by the way.
This Orwellian administration has me fucking nervous. There is another
quote I would like to share:
Who's going to take these traitors to task? Answer. No one.
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders
of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple
matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the
country to greater danger."
Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials.
He was a Nazi, by the way.
I don't know what to do anymore.
Revolution? DIFINO.
Thank god (you know who you are) for Jon Stewart.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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11 Oct 2006 07:28:14 AM |
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On 10 Oct 2006 20:38:58 -0700, "happybastard@gmail.com"
<happybastard@gmail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1160537938.130843.265630@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
I am so sick of all of the ***** that seems to be flowing freely
through today's world. Every time you turn around you hear about this
fantastical - that's right I said fantastical - nonsense that keeps
getting force-fed to us. Foley wants to bang a 16-year-old boy. It's
all blamed on the Democrats and the "liberal" media. The Right is
blaming the Left for allowing Kim Jong Crazy for allowing North Korea
to develop nucular, I'm sorry, nuclear weapons. When everyone with a
rational mind can acknowledge that every administration over the last
twenty years shares in accountability. When McCain placed the blame
solely on Clinton, it illustrated the bipolar partisanship of today's
politics. The sad thing for me is I am neither Democrat nor
Republican. I'm completely sick of both parties. The spotlight just
happens to be on the Right. Hell, they control all branches of gov't,
right?
Rumsfeld "listens to the generals in the field," yet most of the
generals that have served under the Bush regime have time and time
again rebutted and called out the ***** excuses for going to war in
Iraq. The sad thing is that's old news.
What is this regime going to do to spin tomorrow's headlines? It's
always someone else's fault. There is absolutely no accountability. I
remember what my mom used to do to me when I would try to play the
"blame game" - I admit I've stolen that overused term from the
Republican vernacular. She would whup my *****. "Don't blame your
brother for not cleaning your room!!! Don't blame me working 3 jobs
for you missing class!!!" Take some ***** responsibility for your
actions.
Wait, I'm sorry; I forgot. The Bushmeister doesn't hold his people
accountable, so why admit to guilt? Cheney is still holding on to the
notion that Iraq had something to do with 911, that Iraq had weapons of
mass destruction - hell, the Republican leader of the House
Intelligence Committee, Peter Hoekstra, still asserts that WMDs are
still over there. He wants to form a commission.
***** me running!!! Are you kidding me?
Whatever happened to rationality? To logic? I'm sorry; I forgot that
this administration has a direct link to god. With god, who needs
rationality or logic? It's all about faith, anyway. Like Colbert
says, if it feels right, then it is right. Who needs facts? The Earth
has only been around for 6,000+/- years, right? god told Bush that his
legacy is to spread freedom. I don't know about you, but I've been to
AA. A lot of those poor people had someone talking to them, too.
I'm agnostic (because I'm not arrogant enough to claim one way or
another if a supernatural entity exists - if I can't taste, feel,
smell, hear, or see it, who am I to judge?) and I am a little weary of
people who claim that "god" speaks to them. I understand talking to
your god, but if you hear god speaking to you you have a god complex.
If your god were as omniscient, omnipotent, and as omnipresent as you
believe he/she/it is, why the hell would he/she/it talk to you?
By the way, if god is omnipotent couldn't he/she/it create something so
heavy even he/she/it couldn't lift it? If he/she/it were omniscient,
free will would not exist because he/she/it knows everything that is
and everything that will be. That means that he/she/it already knows
the future, which denotes fate, and that means you are predetermined to
do what you do. If he/she/it is omnipresent that means he/she/it is in
hell, as well. He/she/it is everywhere, right? I guess that means I
will see god in hell.
The canon that god created man in his image is simply false because,
through the arrogance of man, we created god in our own image - a petty
hominid with a white beard succumbing to the common preoccupations that
plague our psyche.
But I digress. I was raised to be a proud American. I still feel
proud to be born in a country whose ideals changed the face of the
world. Those ideals are being challenged. Our proud American leaders
just suspended Habeas Corpus - the right to be brought before a judge
to prevent illegal imprisonment. Our proud American leaders just gave
our wonderful president (the one who called astronauts spatial
entrepreneurs, remember?) the right to define treaties like the Geneva
Convention. Our constitution reserves that Right for the Judiciary,
right? You do remember that from middle school, right? RIGHT?!?
What about the erosion of free speech? Characterizing people critical
of the administration as terrorist sympathizers or appeasers is
un-American. A great president once said:
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president... is
morally treasonable to the American public."
That president was Teddy Roosevelt. He was Republican, by the way.
This Orwellian administration has me fucking nervous. There is another
quote I would like to share:
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders
of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple
matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the
country to greater danger."
Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials.
He was a Nazi, by the way.
I don't know what to do anymore.
Thank god (you know who you are) for Jon Stewart.
Whilst I agree in general with your rage, your use of the term "world"
is highly suspect, given the narrow parochial nature of the objects of
your anger.
There is more to the world than the US.
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: My Rant |
11 Oct 2006 08:00:37 PM |
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:58:14 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On 10 Oct 2006 20:38:58 -0700, "happybastard@gmail.com"
<happybastard@gmail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1160537938.130843.265630@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
I am so sick of all of the ***** that seems to be flowing freely
through today's world. Every time you turn around you hear about this
fantastical - that's right I said fantastical - nonsense that keeps
getting force-fed to us. Foley wants to bang a 16-year-old boy. It's
all blamed on the Democrats and the "liberal" media. The Right is
blaming the Left for allowing Kim Jong Crazy for allowing North Korea
to develop nucular, I'm sorry, nuclear weapons. When everyone with a
rational mind can acknowledge that every administration over the last
twenty years shares in accountability. When McCain placed the blame
solely on Clinton, it illustrated the bipolar partisanship of today's
politics. The sad thing for me is I am neither Democrat nor
Republican. I'm completely sick of both parties. The spotlight just
happens to be on the Right. Hell, they control all branches of gov't,
right?
Rumsfeld "listens to the generals in the field," yet most of the
generals that have served under the Bush regime have time and time
again rebutted and called out the ***** excuses for going to war in
Iraq. The sad thing is that's old news.
What is this regime going to do to spin tomorrow's headlines? It's
always someone else's fault. There is absolutely no accountability. I
remember what my mom used to do to me when I would try to play the
"blame game" - I admit I've stolen that overused term from the
Republican vernacular. She would whup my *****. "Don't blame your
brother for not cleaning your room!!! Don't blame me working 3 jobs
for you missing class!!!" Take some ***** responsibility for your
actions.
Wait, I'm sorry; I forgot. The Bushmeister doesn't hold his people
accountable, so why admit to guilt? Cheney is still holding on to the
notion that Iraq had something to do with 911, that Iraq had weapons of
mass destruction - hell, the Republican leader of the House
Intelligence Committee, Peter Hoekstra, still asserts that WMDs are
still over there. He wants to form a commission.
***** me running!!! Are you kidding me?
Whatever happened to rationality? To logic? I'm sorry; I forgot that
this administration has a direct link to god. With god, who needs
rationality or logic? It's all about faith, anyway. Like Colbert
says, if it feels right, then it is right. Who needs facts? The Earth
has only been around for 6,000+/- years, right? god told Bush that his
legacy is to spread freedom. I don't know about you, but I've been to
AA. A lot of those poor people had someone talking to them, too.
I'm agnostic (because I'm not arrogant enough to claim one way or
another if a supernatural entity exists - if I can't taste, feel,
smell, hear, or see it, who am I to judge?) and I am a little weary of
people who claim that "god" speaks to them. I understand talking to
your god, but if you hear god speaking to you you have a god complex.
If your god were as omniscient, omnipotent, and as omnipresent as you
believe he/she/it is, why the hell would he/she/it talk to you?
By the way, if god is omnipotent couldn't he/she/it create something so
heavy even he/she/it couldn't lift it? If he/she/it were omniscient,
free will would not exist because he/she/it knows everything that is
and everything that will be. That means that he/she/it already knows
the future, which denotes fate, and that means you are predetermined to
do what you do. If he/she/it is omnipresent that means he/she/it is in
hell, as well. He/she/it is everywhere, right? I guess that means I
will see god in hell.
The canon that god created man in his image is simply false because,
through the arrogance of man, we created god in our own image - a petty
hominid with a white beard succumbing to the common preoccupations that
plague our psyche.
But I digress. I was raised to be a proud American. I still feel
proud to be born in a country whose ideals changed the face of the
world. Those ideals are being challenged. Our proud American leaders
just suspended Habeas Corpus - the right to be brought before a judge
to prevent illegal imprisonment. Our proud American leaders just gave
our wonderful president (the one who called astronauts spatial
entrepreneurs, remember?) the right to define treaties like the Geneva
Convention. Our constitution reserves that Right for the Judiciary,
right? You do remember that from middle school, right? RIGHT?!?
What about the erosion of free speech? Characterizing people critical
of the administration as terrorist sympathizers or appeasers is
un-American. A great president once said:
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president... is
morally treasonable to the American public."
That president was Teddy Roosevelt. He was Republican, by the way.
This Orwellian administration has me fucking nervous. There is another
quote I would like to share:
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders
of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple
matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the
country to greater danger."
Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials.
He was a Nazi, by the way.
I don't know what to do anymore.
Thank god (you know who you are) for Jon Stewart.
Whilst I agree in general with your rage, your use of the term "world"
is highly suspect, given the narrow parochial nature of the objects of
your anger.
There is more to the world than the US.
Even more than America as well.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: My Rant |
11 Oct 2006 10:50:29 PM |
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:00:37 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myrubbishbin@notatleswell.freeuk.net> wrote:
- Refer: <e9jqi290va90hj3l61lots455cs9ultvcs@4ax.com>
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:58:14 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
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There is more to the world than the US.
Even more than America as well.
Quite!
The two seem to get unnecessarily conflated, (far too often for my
comfort).
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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| Title: Re: My Rant |
12 Oct 2006 01:56:22 AM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
Les Hellawell wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
There is more to the world than the US.
Even more than America as well.
Quite!
The two seem to get unnecessarily conflated, (far too often for my
comfort).
Please don't start that. Just as the United Mexican States, sometimes
called the United States of Mexico, is more generally known as Mexico,
the United States of America is more generally known as America. Other
areas of the western hemisphere include North America, Central America
and South America, all of which can be referred to as the Americas.
People who complain about America being synonymous with the US are
mistaken to do so.
--
L. Raymond
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: My Rant |
12 Oct 2006 07:44:11 AM |
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:56:22 -0500, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1fyba5n5wuaqm$.g29y890svbt0.dlg@40tude.net>
Michael Gray wrote:
Les Hellawell wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
There is more to the world than the US.
Even more than America as well.
Quite!
The two seem to get unnecessarily conflated, (far too often for my
comfort).
Please don't start that. Just as the United Mexican States, sometimes
called the United States of Mexico, is more generally known as Mexico,
the United States of America is more generally known as America. Other
areas of the western hemisphere include North America, Central America
and South America, all of which can be referred to as the Americas.
People who complain about America being synonymous with the US are
mistaken to do so.
Then surely those who use them as implicit synonyms are mistaken to do
so as well?
For it is that very thing to which we, (or at least I), object!
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