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"DarkAngel" |
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10 Nov 2006 06:45:15 AM |
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My reaction to the US election results |
http://www.mitchclem.com/rockcity/index.php?comic=85
Went through all of the same stages.
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| User: "Fred Liken" |
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| Title: A rebuttal of a so called Anarchists reaction to the US election results |
10 Nov 2006 10:20:01 AM |
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"DarkAngel" <drkangel666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163162715.289563.21870@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
http://www.mitchclem.com/rockcity/index.php?comic=85
Went through all of the same stages.
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No Gods. No Masters.
Lol, the so called anarchist doesn't understand the Democrats are worse for
his beliefs. How can humans perfect to a point of not needing government if
the least evolved of the people are artificially perpetuated by the
Democrats subverting Natural Selection?
The fact you'd even be foolish enough to think Democrats wining was a good
thing for any splitting of a second proves how insincere you are.
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| User: "Ghod" |
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| Title: Re: A rebuttal of a so called Anarchists reaction to the US election results |
10 Nov 2006 10:51:04 AM |
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"Fred Liken" <nothanks@toocoolforschool.com> wrote in message
news:4554a64e$0$4836$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
"DarkAngel" <drkangel666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163162715.289563.21870@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
http://www.mitchclem.com/rockcity/index.php?comic=85
Went through all of the same stages.
---
No Gods. No Masters.
Lol, the so called anarchist doesn't understand the Democrats are
worse for
his beliefs. How can humans perfect to a point of not needing
government if
the least evolved of the people are artificially perpetuated by the
Democrats subverting Natural Selection?
The fact you'd even be foolish enough to think Democrats wining was
a good
thing for any splitting of a second proves how insincere you are.
You either have gone off your meds, or are taking too many. Do you
even know what you meant?
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| User: "Fred Liken" |
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| Title: Re: A rebuttal of a so called Anarchists reaction to the US election results |
13 Nov 2006 12:02:02 PM |
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"Ghod" <ghod@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:ej2alp$j3q$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...
"Fred Liken" <nothanks@toocoolforschool.com> wrote in message
news:4554a64e$0$4836$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
"DarkAngel" <drkangel666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163162715.289563.21870@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
http://www.mitchclem.com/rockcity/index.php?comic=85
Went through all of the same stages.
---
No Gods. No Masters.
Lol, the so called anarchist doesn't understand the Democrats are
worse for
his beliefs. How can humans perfect to a point of not needing
government if
the least evolved of the people are artificially perpetuated by the
Democrats subverting Natural Selection?
The fact you'd even be foolish enough to think Democrats wining was
a good
thing for any splitting of a second proves how insincere you are.
You either have gone off your meds, or are taking too many. Do you
even know what you meant?
Well, all of it seems pretty clear to me, so perhaps the easier solution is
for you to tell me what part of my response was confusing to you? Which
part are you not familiar with? Anarchism? Welfare? Natural Selection?
Intelligence and its affect on success?
What is it? If you're sincere and able to put aside your silly notion that
I'm insane, I'm game to help you understand my point.
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| User: "DarkAngel" |
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| Title: Re: A rebuttal of a so called Anarchists reaction to the US election results |
13 Nov 2006 04:46:46 PM |
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Fred Liken wrote:
Which part are you not familiar with? Anarchism? Welfare? Natural Selection?
Intelligence and its affect on success?
Apart from welfare, I don't see anything in that list that you could be
familiar with. Your mangling of both anarchism and natural selection as
concepts are evidence that you don't grasp those two, and the way you
mangled them shows me that you must not have much grasp on intelligence
either...
As for welfare, I don't have evidence either way about your familiarity
with it.
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No Gods. No Masters.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: A rebuttal of a so called Anarchists reaction to the US election results |
13 Nov 2006 05:04:33 PM |
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On 13 Nov 2006 12:02:02 -0600, "Fred Liken"
<nothanks@toocoolforschool.com> wrote:
Well, all of it seems pretty clear to me, so perhaps the easier solution is
for you to tell me what part of my response was confusing to you? Which
part are you not familiar with? Anarchism? Welfare? Natural Selection?
Intelligence and its affect on success?
What is it? If you're sincere and able to put aside your silly notion that
I'm insane, I'm game to help you understand my point.
To start with, every single living creature on the planet is at
EXACTLY the same level of evolution - there's no such thing as "less
evolved".
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"I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet
assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his
lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back." -
- Tolstoy as/on Jesus
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: A rebuttal of a so called Anarchists reaction to the US election results |
13 Nov 2006 08:04:00 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:04:33 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On 13 Nov 2006 12:02:02 -0600, "Fred Liken"
<nothanks@toocoolforschool.com> wrote:
<PIGGYBACKING>
Well, all of it seems pretty clear to me, so perhaps the easier solution is
for you to tell me what part of my response was confusing to you? Which
part are you not familiar with? Anarchism? Welfare? Natural Selection?
Intelligence and its affect on success?
I don't find any of those things confusing in the least. They *do*,
however, appear to be giving *you* a bit of trouble
..
What is it? If you're sincere and able to put aside your silly notion that
I'm insane, I'm game to help you understand my point.
Oh, I don't think you're insane, Fred. Quite probably not overly
bright and most definitely a troll, but not insane.
To start with, every single living creature on the planet is at
EXACTLY the same level of evolution - there's no such thing as "less
evolved".
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| User: "DarkAngel" |
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| Title: Re: A rebuttal of a so called Anarchists reaction to the US election results |
10 Nov 2006 10:45:24 AM |
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Fred Liken wrote:
How can humans perfect to a point of not needing government
People already don't need government. Government needs people.
if the least evolved
Pseudo-scientific trash. Evolution does not strive towards a goal, so
there cannot be a less or more evolved species.
of the people are artificially perpetuated by the
Democrats subverting Natural Selection?
Hey brainiac. You can't subvert natural selection. If mutual aid
emerged as a strategy of survival, that means it was being selected
for. "Survival of the fittest" does not make a value choice about what
it means to be the fittest. Only idiot Social Darwinists do.
What you call 'artificial selection' is no less part of natural
selection than mate selection, which is done by every species that does
sexed reproduction. Humans are part of nature.
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No Gods. No Masters.
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| User: "Fred Liken" |
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| Title: Re: A rebuttal of a so called Anarchists reaction to the US election results |
13 Nov 2006 05:47:03 PM |
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"DarkAngel" <drkangel666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Fred Liken wrote:
How can humans perfect to a point of not needing government
People already don't need government. Government needs people.
There are millions in America that would die without Government. They
simply cannot function without their handlers. They wouldn't even know
where to start. You obviously think otherwise. That everyone, every single
person, can survive without the help of government. You weaken your
creditability in doing so.
Also, you seem to not understand that humans depend on other humans.
Government allows for more complex interactions. Without government the
burden of such interactions would reduce the potential of a society. Either
another government would form to fill in the gaps or a foreign government
would conquer. Anarchism is silly.
if the least evolved
Pseudo-scientific trash.
lol. Then I'm sure you will not let us down with your rebuttal!
Evolution does not strive towards a goal, so
there cannot be a less or more evolved species.
Then we are fish? Evolution may not strive towards a goal, but selections
have been made, and therefore, the less evolved to those circumstances have
perished. If you artificially change the circumstances, then you allow for
things that would not survive in the natural state to survive. And, we are
talking about people, here. Intelligence has increased as humans evolved.
Can we not agree that intelligence has been a huge factor in the survival of
humans? Perhaps the only reason they have survived.
of the people are artificially perpetuated by the
Democrats subverting Natural Selection?
Hey brainiac. You can't subvert natural selection.
Um... obviously you can. If you do not allow things to fail, then you are
subverting natural selection, which would have them fail.
If mutual aid
emerged as a strategy of survival, that means it was being selected
for. "Survival of the fittest" does not make a value choice about what
it means to be the fittest. Only idiot Social Darwinists do.
Um... you just described Social Darwinism in your first sentence then trash
it in the end... Strange... But, then again, the bigoted version is the
one you chose.
What you call 'artificial selection'
Where did I call it 'artificial selection'?
is no less part of natural selection than mate selection,
which is done by every species that does
sexed reproduction. Humans are part of nature.
Humans affect nature. We change conditions for animals all the time,
including humans. But, alas, why even bother arguing this with you, since
you do not seem sincere about anarchism. If you are, what kind are you?
Thanks.
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| User: "DarkAngel" |
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| Title: Re: A rebuttal of a so called Anarchists reaction to the US election results |
14 Nov 2006 09:05:38 AM |
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Fred Liken wrote:
"DarkAngel" <drkangel666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163177124.553427.46920@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Fred Liken wrote:
How can humans perfect to a point of not needing government
People already don't need government. Government needs people.
There are millions in America that would die without Government.
The problems that the state cure were created by the state in the first
place.
Also, you seem to not understand that humans depend on other humans.
Yes, but that does not necessitate the existence of the state. The
state is an inefficient form of organisation, compared to decentralized
organisation.
Evolution does not strive towards a goal, so
there cannot be a less or more evolved species.
Then we are fish?
You are an idiot. Fishes are not less evolved than we are.
Evolution may not strive towards a goal, but selections
have been made,
Yes. So everything alive is as evolved as anything else.
and therefore, the less evolved to those circumstances
Not evolved. Adapted.
have perished.
All individuals perish. Natural selection cares about who gets to
reproduce.
If you artificially change the circumstances,
i.e 'artificial selection'
then you allow for things that would not survive in the natural state to survive.
And you are still confused. You can't 'artificially' change the
circumstances because you are not outside the system. You're part of
it. We're part of the natural state. Any selection we do is also part
of the natural state.
We are not separate from nature. We are not its shepherds or its
exploiters, anymore than the beavers or the bees or any other species
that creates structures out of natural ressources.
of the people are artificially perpetuated by the
Democrats subverting Natural Selection?
Hey brainiac. You can't subvert natural selection.
Um... obviously you can. If you do not allow things to fail, then you are
subverting natural selection, which would have them fail.
If a rabbit runs away from a wolf, is it subverting natural selection?
It is not allowing itself to fail.
If wolves organize in packs to protect each other, are they subverting
natural selection? Each individual wolf is not allowing the others in
the pack to fail.
How is this different than what humans do?
If mutual aid
emerged as a strategy of survival, that means it was being selected
for. "Survival of the fittest" does not make a value choice about what
it means to be the fittest. Only idiot Social Darwinists do.
Um... you just described Social Darwinism in your first sentence then trash
it in the end... Strange...
is no less part of natural selection than mate selection,
which is done by every species that does
sexed reproduction. Humans are part of nature.
Humans affect nature.
So do beavers. So do bees.
We change conditions for animals all the time,
including humans.
Ants breed bugs that secrete a sweet nectar. Parasites modify the
behavior of their hosts to facilitate their own breeding cycle.
But, alas, why even bother arguing this with you, since
you do not seem sincere about anarchism.
I am sincere about anarchism. It's just that a republic is a lesser
evil than a fascist dictatorship. So it's nice to see the trend towards
American fascism reversed, and the fascist enablers kicked out of the
House and Senate.
If you are, what kind are you?
Well, first of all you know nothing of anarchism, so start by trying to
educate yourself.
http://www.infoshop.org/faq/index.html
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No Gods. No Masters.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: A rebuttal of a so called Anarchists reaction to the US election results |
13 Nov 2006 10:53:17 PM |
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On 13 Nov 2006 17:47:03 -0600, "Fred Liken"
<nothanks@toocoolforschool.com> wrote:
"DarkAngel" <drkangel666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163177124.553427.46920@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Fred Liken wrote:
How can humans perfect to a point of not needing government
People already don't need government. Government needs people.
There are millions in America that would die without Government.
There are very few who would die if there were no government and they
got off their asses.
Also, you seem to not understand that humans depend on other humans.
The best welfare is the one your family and neighbors provide.
if the least evolved
Pseudo-scientific trash.
lol. Then I'm sure you will not let us down with your rebuttal!
Every living creature is exactly as evolved as every other living
creature - roughly 4.5 billion years evolved.
Evolution does not strive towards a goal, so
there cannot be a less or more evolved species.
Then we are fish?
You're not as smart as a fish.
of the people are artificially perpetuated by the
Democrats subverting Natural Selection?
Hey brainiac. You can't subvert natural selection.
Um... obviously you can.
Obviously you can't. The species that survives is the species most
likely to survive.
If you do not allow things to fail
Then those that survive are those most likely to survive in a world in
which those with that property are most likely to survive.
then you are
subverting natural selection, which would have them fail.
Human selection is part of natural selection, since man is part of
nature.
If mutual aid
emerged as a strategy of survival, that means it was being selected
for. "Survival of the fittest" does not make a value choice about what
it means to be the fittest. Only idiot Social Darwinists do.
Um... you just described Social Darwinism in your first sentence
He described natural selection. Which evidently passed you by.
What you call 'artificial selection'
Where did I call it 'artificial selection'?
You implied it.
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If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: My reaction to the US election results |
18 Nov 2006 01:59:02 PM |
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On 10 Nov 2006 04:45:15 -0800, "DarkAngel" <drkangel666@hotmail.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
http://www.mitchclem.com/rockcity/index.php?comic=85
Went through all of the same stages.
The artist nailed it. :\
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