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06 Jan 2006 08:58:59 AM |
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"My Religious Rights are being Trampled!" |
"Those who oppose a short, decent, prayer at a high school sporting
event have gone too far. No one is trying to force worship on anyone.
Ignore the prayer if you wish...it's a free country. However, the
Constitution which you claim to revere so much also says "...or the
free exercise thereof." Seems you want to ignore that. My religious
freedoms are under attack by a tiny number of people who are offended
by the fact that this is a Christian nation and always has been."
Now how would you resond to the above rant from a friend who has fallen
under the Rush Limbaugh trance? How many "religious rights" does he
have and how many are being "trampled?"
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| User: "Terry Austin" |
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07 Jan 2006 05:45:09 PM |
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"Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1136559539.511126.18040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
"Those who oppose a short, decent, prayer at a high school sporting
event have gone too far. No one is trying to force worship on anyone.
Ignore the prayer if you wish...it's a free country. However, the
Constitution which you claim to revere so much also says "...or the
free exercise thereof." Seems you want to ignore that. My religious
freedoms are under attack by a tiny number of people who are offended
by the fact that this is a Christian nation and always has been."
Now how would you resond to the above rant from a friend who has fallen
under the Rush Limbaugh trance? How many "religious rights" does he
have and how many are being "trampled?"
Just explain to him that he has just argued that you have the _right_ to
conduct a satanic ritual next to him while he prays. And proceed to do so.
Every. Single. Time.
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Terry Austin
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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07 Jan 2006 10:31:18 PM |
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Terry Austin wrote:
"Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1136559539.511126.18040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
"Those who oppose a short, decent, prayer at a high school sporting
event have gone too far. No one is trying to force worship on anyone.
Ignore the prayer if you wish...it's a free country. However, the
Constitution which you claim to revere so much also says "...or the
free exercise thereof." Seems you want to ignore that. My religious
freedoms are under attack by a tiny number of people who are offended
by the fact that this is a Christian nation and always has been."
Now how would you resond to the above rant from a friend who has
fallen under the Rush Limbaugh trance? How many "religious rights"
does he have and how many are being "trampled?"
Just explain to him that he has just argued that you have the _right_
to conduct a satanic ritual next to him while he prays. And proceed to
do so. Every. Single. Time.
(Piggybacking)
Matthew 5
5 "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for
they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the
streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have
their reward.
6 "But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast
shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father
which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
As christians, they only have the right to follow
the commands of Jesus.
They do not have any right to force prayer on
anybody else, nor to do in the name of Jesus
or god something Jesus has forbidden.
To demand public prayer is insolence and offends
non-Christians, non-religious persons and the true
Christians.
Only arrogant, faux christians would object.
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"A dead religion is like a dead cat -- the stiffer and
more rotten it is, the better it is as a missile weapon."
- H.G. Wells
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: "My Religious Rights are being Trampled!" |
07 Jan 2006 04:09:03 AM |
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Dave wrote:
"Those who oppose a short, decent, prayer at a high school sporting
event have gone too far. No one is trying to force worship on anyone.
Ignore the prayer if you wish...it's a free country. However, the
Constitution which you claim to revere so much also says "...or the
free exercise thereof." Seems you want to ignore that. My religious
freedoms are under attack by a tiny number of people who are offended
by the fact that this is a Christian nation and always has been."
Now how would you resond to the above rant from a friend who has fallen
under the Rush Limbaugh trance? How many "religious rights" does he
have and how many are being "trampled?"
1. He's a "friend"? Why?
2. Quote Matthew chapter 6:5-6 and tell him only show-offs pray
in public. From the bi(b)le (aka the book o'blood):
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites
are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and
in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of
men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and
when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is
in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall
reward thee openly."
Bob Dog
Atheist #153 = 1^3 + 5^3 + 3^3
EAC's chief cook and brainwasher
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"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,
it's just a goddamned piece of paper!"
- George W. Bush, US President
"I've never seen a pro-choicer bomb any churches. Have you?"
- Aaron Kinney, speaking on Eric Rudolph
"The best thing about the Left Behind books is the way the
non-Christians get their guts pulled out by God."
- 15-year-old fundamentalist fan of the books
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| User: "Dave" |
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| Title: Re: "My Religious Rights are being Trampled!" |
08 Jan 2006 09:41:17 AM |
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wrote:
Dave wrote:
"Those who oppose a short, decent, prayer at a high school sporting
event have gone too far. No one is trying to force worship on anyone.
Ignore the prayer if you wish...it's a free country. However, the
Constitution which you claim to revere so much also says "...or the
free exercise thereof." Seems you want to ignore that. My religious
freedoms are under attack by a tiny number of people who are offended
by the fact that this is a Christian nation and always has been."
Now how would you resond to the above rant from a friend who has fallen
under the Rush Limbaugh trance? How many "religious rights" does he
have and how many are being "trampled?"
1. He's a "friend"? Why?
Well, he used to be relatively sane, before marriage and parenting, but
now he seems to have turned into Rush's little brother.
2. Quote Matthew chapter 6:5-6 and tell him only show-offs pray
in public. From the bi(b)le (aka the book o'blood):
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites
are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and
in the corners of the streets, [...]
You know this quote rolls off these people like water off a duck. They
don't give a crap what Jesus said. Rush didn't say it. Dubya didn't say
it. So it doesn't matter. Jesus was probably just having an off day
when he said that and later changed his mind.
It does occur to me that such a prayer before school or a game is not
in itself going to indoctrinate anyone, but it seems to me to be a
symbol, like a salute to Caesar. A declaration of loyalty and
allegiance by the authorities in charge, to this belief system.
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| User: "Dave" |
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08 Jan 2006 01:29:02 PM |
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wrote:
Dave wrote:
"Those who oppose a short, decent, prayer at a high school sporting
event have gone too far. No one is trying to force worship on anyone.
Ignore the prayer if you wish...it's a free country. However, the
Constitution which you claim to revere so much also says "...or the
free exercise thereof." Seems you want to ignore that. My religious
freedoms are under attack by a tiny number of people who are offended
by the fact that this is a Christian nation and always has been."
Now how would you resond to the above rant from a friend who has fallen
under the Rush Limbaugh trance? How many "religious rights" does he
have and how many are being "trampled?"
1. He's a "friend"? Why?
Well, he used to be relatively sane, before marriage and parenting, but
over the years he seems to have slowly turned into Rush's little
brother.
2. Quote Matthew chapter 6:5-6 and tell him only show-offs pray
in public. From the bi(b)le (aka the book o'blood):
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites
are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and
in the corners of the streets, [...]
You know this quote rolls off these people like water off a duck. They
don't give a crap what Jesus said. Rush didn't say it. Dubya didn't say
it. So it doesn't matter. Jesus was probably just having an off day
when he said that and later changed his mind.
It does occur to me that such a prayer before school or a game is not
in itself going to indoctrinate anyone, but it seems to me to be a
symbol, like a salute to Caesar -- a declaration of loyalty and
allegiance to this belief system, or at the least an endorsement of it,
by the local authorities in charge.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: "My Religious Rights are being Trampled!" |
09 Jan 2006 01:51:15 PM |
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On 8 Jan 2006 11:29:02 -0800, "Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
bg12345@apexmail.com wrote:
Dave wrote:
"Those who oppose a short, decent, prayer at a high school sporting
event have gone too far. No one is trying to force worship on anyone.
Ignore the prayer if you wish...it's a free country. However, the
Constitution which you claim to revere so much also says "...or the
free exercise thereof." Seems you want to ignore that. My religious
freedoms are under attack by a tiny number of people who are offended
by the fact that this is a Christian nation and always has been."
Now how would you resond to the above rant from a friend who has fallen
under the Rush Limbaugh trance? How many "religious rights" does he
have and how many are being "trampled?"
1. He's a "friend"? Why?
Well, he used to be relatively sane, before marriage and parenting, but
over the years he seems to have slowly turned into Rush's little
brother.
2. Quote Matthew chapter 6:5-6 and tell him only show-offs pray
in public. From the bi(b)le (aka the book o'blood):
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites
are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and
in the corners of the streets, [...]
You know this quote rolls off these people like water off a duck. They
don't give a crap what Jesus said.
....until it comes to their precious 'Eternal LifeŽ.'
Rush didn't say it. Dubya didn't say
it. So it doesn't matter. Jesus was probably just having an off day
when he said that and later changed his mind.
So 'Eternal LifeŽ' isn't there then.
It does occur to me that such a prayer before school or a game is not
in itself going to indoctrinate anyone, but it seems to me to be a
symbol, like a salute to Caesar -- a declaration of loyalty and
allegiance to this belief system, or at the least an endorsement of it,
by the local authorities in charge.
Which is against the US Constitution. The US is *not* a 'Christian
Nation.' It is, in the main, a nation of Christians. There's an
important difference.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: "My Religious Rights are being Trampled!" |
07 Jan 2006 09:31:13 AM |
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In <1136559539.511126.18040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, on 01/06/06
at 06:58 AM, "Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> said:
"Those who oppose a short, decent, prayer at a high school sporting event
have gone too far. No one is trying to force worship on anyone. Ignore
But they have, & willingly so. Unless their begging starts out with
something like to whom it may concern, it is religious in intent. Now, if
they were to open the prayer session to all mythologies, they would still
be wrong, but possibly legal.
the prayer if you wish...it's a free country. However, the Constitution
Yes it is a free country, but it is anticipated that the citizens will
conduct themselves in a civil manner.
which you claim to revere so much also says "...or the free exercise
thereof." Seems you want to ignore that. My religious freedoms are
under attack by a tiny number of people who are offended by the fact that
this is a Christian nation and always has been."
The freedom to exercise your mythology does not include the right to an
unwilling captive audience. Nor does it include the right to tell others
to shut up & sit down.
Now how would you resond to the above rant from a friend who has fallen
under the Rush Limbaugh trance? How many "religious rights" does he have
and how many are being "trampled?"
I would follow that with good bye, for when the bug bites them that bad,
it is generally a lost cause & nothing but irritation from then on.
walksalone who has sympathy for those whose friends end up needing an
invisible friend, but that's life. Not all are able to walk like a man,
even though most can talk like one.
The above is remenisent of those that deny reality in favor of unfounded
claims for eternal life.
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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07 Jan 2006 12:51:53 PM |
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In alt.atheism On 6 Jan 2006 06:58:59 -0800, "Dave"
<galt_57@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
"Those who oppose a short, decent, prayer at a high school sporting
event have gone too far. No one is trying to force worship on anyone.
Yes, they are. When a state-run school uses its PA system to lead a
captive audience in prayer, it is forcing worship on those who don't
believe. If you want to pray--fine. But do as jesus said and don't
pray loudly in the open as the hypocrites do.
That's how you should respond. It will really ***** off your friend to
have you quote jesus, too.
Don
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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07 Jan 2006 11:00:03 AM |
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In alt.atheism, Dave
<galt_57@hotmail.com>
wrote
on 6 Jan 2006 06:58:59 -0800
<1136559539.511126.18040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>:
"Those who oppose a short, decent, prayer at a high school sporting
event have gone too far. No one is trying to force worship on anyone.
Depends on who's doing the praying. If this is an
individual player sitting on a bench, that's one thing.
If this is a coach-led thing, one is entering into a gray
area. If the stadium announcer announces a stadium-wide
prayer, that's a clear violation, but I don't know
regarding an otherwise noncommittal "minute of silence".
(The committed "minute of silence" is occasionally used
on the anniversary of a great tragedy, such as the death
of a coaching great or events such as the toppling of the
World Trade Center on 2001-09-11.)
At least one student has been rebuffed when offering to pray
as a valecdictorian, as I recall. Small wonder people are
slightly confused -- certainly I am, in this area.
Ignore the prayer if you wish...it's a free country. However, the
Constitution which you claim to revere so much also says "...or the
free exercise thereof." Seems you want to ignore that. My religious
freedoms are under attack by a tiny number of people who are offended
by the fact that this is a Christian nation and always has been."
http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/arguments.html#usais
This is not to say there are no common principles between the
intentions of the Founding Fathers, and Christianity.
http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/arguments.html#usanot
Now how would you resond to the above rant from a friend who has fallen
under the Rush Limbaugh trance? How many "religious rights" does he
have and how many are being "trampled?"
All should be equal in the eyes of the Law.
--
#191,
It's still legal to go .sigless.
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| User: "stoney" |
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07 Jan 2006 06:10:38 PM |
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On 6 Jan 2006 06:58:59 -0800, "Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
"Those who oppose a short, decent, prayer at a high school sporting
event have gone too far. No one is trying to force worship on anyone.
Ignore the prayer if you wish...it's a free country. However, the
Constitution which you claim to revere so much also says "...or the
free exercise thereof." Seems you want to ignore that. My religious
freedoms are under attack by a tiny number of people who are offended
by the fact that this is a Christian nation and always has been."
Now how would you resond to the above rant from a friend who has fallen
under the Rush Limbaugh trance?
With derisive laughter, as the idiocy deserves.
How many "religious rights" does he
have and how many are being "trampled?"
Zero and zero.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Brian Henderson" |
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07 Jan 2006 06:10:21 PM |
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On 6 Jan 2006 06:58:59 -0800, "Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Those who oppose a short, decent, prayer at a high school sporting
event have gone too far. No one is trying to force worship on anyone.
Ignore the prayer if you wish...it's a free country. However, the
Constitution which you claim to revere so much also says "...or the
free exercise thereof." Seems you want to ignore that. My religious
freedoms are under attack by a tiny number of people who are offended
by the fact that this is a Christian nation and always has been."
Now how would you resond to the above rant from a friend who has fallen
under the Rush Limbaugh trance? How many "religious rights" does he
have and how many are being "trampled?"
How much do you want to bet that if someone tried to have a Satanic
prayer before the game, they'd ***** their pants and demand that it be
stopped?
Hypocrites.
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| User: "erikc" |
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09 Jan 2006 02:36:58 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 00:10:21 GMT, Brian Henderson
<BrianL.Henderson@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote:
On 6 Jan 2006 06:58:59 -0800, "Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Those who oppose a short, decent, prayer at a high school sporting
event have gone too far. No one is trying to force worship on anyone.
Ignore the prayer if you wish...it's a free country. However, the
Constitution which you claim to revere so much also says "...or the
free exercise thereof." Seems you want to ignore that. My religious
freedoms are under attack by a tiny number of people who are offended
by the fact that this is a Christian nation and always has been."
Now how would you resond to the above rant from a friend who has fallen
under the Rush Limbaugh trance? How many "religious rights" does he
have and how many are being "trampled?"
How much do you want to bet that if someone tried to have a Satanic
prayer before the game, they'd ***** their pants and demand that it be
stopped?
Hypocrites.
I'd actually like to see someone do it as a surprise tactic.
Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil."
BAAWA Knight (retired) | "The Truth against the World."
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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07 Jan 2006 03:05:43 AM |
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On 6 Jan 2006 06:58:59 -0800, "Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Those who oppose a short, decent, prayer at a high school sporting
event have gone too far. No one is trying to force worship on anyone.
Ignore the prayer if you wish...it's a free country. However, the
Constitution which you claim to revere so much also says "...or the
free exercise thereof." Seems you want to ignore that. My religious
freedoms are under attack by a tiny number of people who are offended
by the fact that this is a Christian nation and always has been."
Now how would you resond to the above rant from a friend who has fallen
under the Rush Limbaugh trance? How many "religious rights" does he
have and how many are being "trampled?"
Trade him in for a friend that is not faulty.
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| User: "DaveJr" |
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07 Jan 2006 04:32:13 AM |
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:g21vr1t2ot9o99qporgl1m2is7cd2scpj3@4ax.com...
On 6 Jan 2006 06:58:59 -0800, "Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Those who oppose a short, decent, prayer at a high school sporting
event have gone too far. No one is trying to force worship on
anyone.
YES they ARE
Ignore the prayer if you wish...it's a free country. However, the
Constitution which you claim to revere so much also says "...or the
free exercise thereof." Seems you want to ignore that. My
religious
freedoms are under attack by a tiny number of people who are
offended
by the fact that this is a Christian nation and always has been."
No it's not, it's an everything nation.
Now how would you resond to the above rant from a friend who has
fallen
under the Rush Limbaugh trance? How many "religious rights" does he
have and how many are being "trampled?"
Trade him in for a friend that is not faulty.
I agree, you can't change people once they succumb to the 'mind
virus'. I have lost many friends to this. I get to a point where I'm
absolutely fed up with them thinking every little thing having
anything to do with science is some sort of lie or conspiracy. It
also disgusted me watching one force it on his three little kids.
Every cartoon dvd, every coloring book, every puzzle. I consider that
to be abusive to their minds. So I split, for good. But not without
reminding him to think twice about science the next time he took his
insulin shot for diabetes.
If they'd rather have imaginary friends than real ones, so be it.
Not everybody is like that, however becoming fewer it seems. Also
watch out for the 'sleepers', they never want to discuss it, then
wham, you got a borg on your hands.
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| User: "Dave" |
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08 Jan 2006 06:32:45 PM |
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DaveJr wrote:
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On 6 Jan 2006 Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Those who oppose a short, decent, prayer at a high school
sporting event have gone too far. No one is trying to force
worship on anyone.
YES they ARE
Oh, it's just a harmless little prayer, and 99.99% of the audience
likes to hear it or doesn't care. Why should there be a tyranny of the
0.01% minority? Are the courts on thin ice to say that such a prayer is
an "establishment" of religion?
Ignore the prayer if you wish...it's a free country. However, the
Constitution which you claim to revere so much also says "...or
the free exercise thereof." Seems you want to ignore that. My
religious freedoms are under attack by a tiny number of people
who are offended by the fact that this is a Christian nation and
always has been."
No it's not, it's an everything nation.
Ok, but how do you counter the arguments that "majority should rule"
and that religion is "just one more bit of product advertising?"
Now how would you resond to the above rant from a friend who
has fallen under the Rush Limbaugh trance? How many
"religious rights" does he have and how many are being
"trampled?"
Trade him in for a friend that is not faulty.
I agree, you can't change people once they succumb to the 'mind
virus'. I have lost many friends to this. I get to a point where I'm
absolutely fed up with them thinking every little thing having
anything to do with science is some sort of lie or conspiracy. It
also disgusted me watching one force it on his three little kids.
Every cartoon dvd, every coloring book, every puzzle. I consider that
to be abusive to their minds. So I split, for good. But not without
reminding him to think twice about science the next time he took his
insulin shot for diabetes.
If they'd rather have imaginary friends than real ones, so be it.
Not everybody is like that, however becoming fewer it seems. Also
watch out for the 'sleepers', they never want to discuss it, then
wham, you got a borg on your hands.
My friend used to be rational, but years of Rush Limbaugh and/or
parenthood seem to have taken their toll. I would like to find and read
some well written and researched essays which counter the Limbaugh
mindset.
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09 Jan 2006 05:34:14 PM |
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Dave wrote:
My friend used to be rational, but years of Rush Limbaugh and/or
parenthood seem to have taken their toll. I would like to find and read
some well written and researched essays which counter the Limbaugh
mindset.
Here's a link to one of my favorite essays. The last paragraph, quoted
below, is especially stirring: http://www.christianitymeme.org/tub.html
From the time of the Peasants' Rebellion on, all true democratic
movements have been branded as anti-religious. In part this has been an
effort to discredit them, and in part it has been a perception that
democracy is essentially antiauthoritarian--that it not only demands the
right but imposes the responsibility of thinking for ourselves. And
belief is the antithesis to thinking. A refusal to come to an
unjustified conclusion is an element of an honest man's religion. To him
the call to blind faith is really a call to barbarism and slavery. In
being asked to believe without evidence, he is being asked to abdicate
his integrity. Freedom of speech and freedom of action are meaningless
without freedom to think. And there is no freedom of thought without
doubt. The civilized man has a moral obligation to be skeptical, to
demand the credentials of all statements that claim to be facts. An
honorable man will not be bullied by a hypothesis. For in the last
analysis all tyranny rests on fraud, on getting someone to accept false
assumptions, and any man who for one moment abandons or suspends the
questioning spirit has for that moment betrayed humanity.
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L. Raymond
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09 Jan 2006 04:39:42 PM |
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In article <1136649294.543715.320710@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Dave <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote:
DaveJr wrote:
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On 6 Jan 2006 Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Those who oppose a short, decent, prayer at a high school
sporting event have gone too far. No one is trying to force
worship on anyone.
YES they ARE
Oh, it's just a harmless little prayer, and 99.99% of the audience
likes to hear it or doesn't care. Why should there be a tyranny of the
0.01% minority? Are the courts on thin ice to say that such a prayer is
an "establishment" of religion?
Ok, but how do you counter the arguments that "majority should rule"
and that religion is "just one more bit of product advertising?"
This "majority rule" business is *****, or, to put it more
charitably, a fantasy of both the right AND the left. The U.S.
Constitution exists primarily to enumerate and protect the rights of
that 0.01% minority. The "majority" needs no such protection. Just
because your friend heard different on talk radio, or on Democratic
Underground, doesn't make it so.
-chib
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Member of SMASH
Sarcastic Middla Aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: "My Religious Rights are being Trampled!" |
09 Jan 2006 01:48:25 PM |
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On 8 Jan 2006 16:32:45 -0800, "Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
DaveJr wrote:
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On 6 Jan 2006 Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Those who oppose a short, decent, prayer at a high school
sporting event have gone too far. No one is trying to force
worship on anyone.
YES they ARE
Oh, it's just a harmless little prayer, and 99.99% of the audience
likes to hear it or doesn't care. Why should there be a tyranny of the
0.01% minority? Are the courts on thin ice to say that such a prayer is
an "establishment" of religion?
You might have heard of the US Constitution.
Ignore the prayer if you wish...it's a free country. However, the
Constitution which you claim to revere so much also says "...or
the free exercise thereof." Seems you want to ignore that. My
religious freedoms are under attack by a tiny number of people
who are offended by the fact that this is a Christian nation and
always has been."
No it's not, it's an everything nation.
Ok, but how do you counter the arguments that "majority should rule"
and that religion is "just one more bit of product advertising?"
The Constitution doesn't allow mob rule. (Whether the Constitution is
enforced is something else) The latter is false witness.
Now how would you resond to the above rant from a friend who
has fallen under the Rush Limbaugh trance? How many
"religious rights" does he have and how many are being
"trampled?"
Trade him in for a friend that is not faulty.
I agree, you can't change people once they succumb to the 'mind
virus'. I have lost many friends to this. I get to a point where I'm
absolutely fed up with them thinking every little thing having
anything to do with science is some sort of lie or conspiracy. It
also disgusted me watching one force it on his three little kids.
Every cartoon dvd, every coloring book, every puzzle. I consider that
to be abusive to their minds. So I split, for good. But not without
reminding him to think twice about science the next time he took his
insulin shot for diabetes.
If they'd rather have imaginary friends than real ones, so be it.
Not everybody is like that, however becoming fewer it seems. Also
watch out for the 'sleepers', they never want to discuss it, then
wham, you got a borg on your hands.
My friend used to be rational, but years of Rush Limbaugh and/or
parenthood seem to have taken their toll. I would like to find and read
some well written and researched essays which counter the Limbaugh
mindset.
The Blimp has a mind?
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: "My Religious Rights are being Trampled!" |
07 Jan 2006 01:42:16 PM |
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On 6 Jan 2006 06:58:59 -0800, in alt.atheism
"Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in
<1136559539.511126.18040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>:
"Those who oppose a short, decent, prayer at a high school sporting
event have gone too far. No one is trying to force worship on anyone.
Ignore the prayer if you wish...it's a free country. However, the
Constitution which you claim to revere so much also says "...or the
free exercise thereof." Seems you want to ignore that. My religious
freedoms are under attack by a tiny number of people who are offended
by the fact that this is a Christian nation and always has been."
Now how would you resond to the above rant from a friend who has fallen
under the Rush Limbaugh trance? How many "religious rights" does he
have and how many are being "trampled?"
Would it be okay with Rush if I got on the loudspeaker at a sporting
event and prayed to be delivered from the liars and deceivers who
claimed that a God, Heaven and Hell exists?
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: "My Religious Rights are being Trampled!" |
07 Jan 2006 03:26:07 PM |
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On 6 Jan 2006 06:58:59 -0800, in alt.atheism , "Dave"
<galt_57@hotmail.com> in
<1136559539.511126.18040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> wrote:
"Those who oppose a short, decent, prayer at a high school sporting
event have gone too far. No one is trying to force worship on anyone.
Ignore the prayer if you wish...it's a free country. However, the
Constitution which you claim to revere so much also says "...or the
free exercise thereof." Seems you want to ignore that. My religious
freedoms are under attack by a tiny number of people who are offended
by the fact that this is a Christian nation and always has been."
Now how would you resond to the above rant from a friend who has fallen
under the Rush Limbaugh trance? How many "religious rights" does he
have and how many are being "trampled?"
Offer the Satanist test. Would this person feel the same way if the
teacher/coach offered a prayer to Satan?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "erikc" |
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| Title: Re: "My Religious Rights are being Trampled!" |
07 Jan 2006 04:24:53 PM |
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On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 21:26:07 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 6 Jan 2006 06:58:59 -0800, in alt.atheism , "Dave"
<galt_57@hotmail.com> in
<1136559539.511126.18040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> wrote:
"Those who oppose a short, decent, prayer at a high school sporting
event have gone too far. No one is trying to force worship on anyone.
Ignore the prayer if you wish...it's a free country. However, the
Constitution which you claim to revere so much also says "...or the
free exercise thereof." Seems you want to ignore that. My religious
freedoms are under attack by a tiny number of people who are offended
by the fact that this is a Christian nation and always has been."
Now how would you resond to the above rant from a friend who has fallen
under the Rush Limbaugh trance? How many "religious rights" does he
have and how many are being "trampled?"
Offer the Satanist test. Would this person feel the same way if the
teacher/coach offered a prayer to Satan?
What I would like to see is a situation wherein someone actually offers up a
prayer to Satan or gives thanks to Satan for something in front of a nominally
christian audience.
It would most likely start a riot.
Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil."
BAAWA Knight (retired) | "The Truth against the World."
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| User: "Brian Henderson" |
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| Title: Re: "My Religious Rights are being Trampled!" |
07 Jan 2006 06:12:51 PM |
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On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:24:53 -0600, erikc <firewevr@airmail.net>
wrote:
What I would like to see is a situation wherein someone actually offers up a
prayer to Satan or gives thanks to Satan for something in front of a nominally
christian audience.
It would most likely start a riot.
Back a number of years ago, a friend of mine had a son who was about
to graduate from public high school. There was a lot of pressure on
the school board to allow prayers at the graduation ceremony. My
friend's son was class valedictorian and said that if prayers were
allowed, he would lead one to Satan.
Amazing how fast they started demanding no prayers.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: "My Religious Rights are being Trampled!" |
07 Jan 2006 04:17:06 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 06:58:59 -0800, Dave wrote:
"Those who oppose a short, decent, prayer at a high school sporting
event have gone too far. No one is trying to force worship on anyone.
Ignore the prayer if you wish...it's a free country. However, the
Constitution which you claim to revere so much also says "...or the
free exercise thereof." Seems you want to ignore that. My religious
freedoms are under attack by a tiny number of people who are offended
by the fact that this is a Christian nation and always has been."
Now how would you resond to the above rant from a friend who has fallen
under the Rush Limbaugh trance? How many "religious rights" does he
have and how many are being "trampled?"
Nobody is being prevented from praying at a high school sporting event.
They just can't do it over the PA system.
--
MarkA
(this space accidentally filled in)
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