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Religions > Atheism |
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"Fred Stone" |
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06 Sep 2005 08:21:37 AM |
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Nagin Rolls Over On Blanco |
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/05/ltm.01.html
NAGIN: Look, I’ll take whatever responsibility that I have to take.
But let me ask you this question: When you have a city of 500,000
people, and you have a category 5 storm bearing down on you, and you
have the best you’ve ever done is evacuate 60 percent of the people out
of the city, and you have never issued a mandatory evacuation in the
city’s history, a city that is a couple of hundred years old, I did
that. I elevated the level of distress to the citizens.
And I don’t know what else I could do, other than to tell them that
it’s a mandatory evacuation. And if they stayed, make sure you have a
frigging ax in your home, where you can bust out the roof just in case
the water starts flowing.
And as a last resort, once this thing is above a category 3, there
are no buildings in this city to withstand a category 3, a category 4 or
a category 5 storm, other than the Superdome. That’s where we sent
people as a shelter of last resort. When that filled up, we sent them to
the Convention Center. Now, you tell me what else we could have done.
S. O’BRIEN: What has Secretary Chertoff promised you? What has
Donald Rumsfeld given you and promised you?
NAGIN: Look, I’ve gotten promises to — I can’t stand anymore
promises. I don’t want to hear anymore promises. I want to see stuff
done. And that’s why I’m so happy that the president came down here,
because I think they were feeding him a line of bull also. And they were
telling him things weren’t as bad as it was.
He came down and saw it, and he put a general on the field. His name
is General Honore. And when he hit the field, we started to see action.
And what the state was doing, I don’t frigging know. But I tell you,
I am pissed. It wasn’t adequate.
And then, the president and the governor sat down. We were in Air
Force One. I said, ‘Mr. President, Madam Governor, you two have to get
in sync. If you don’t get in sync, more people are going to die.’
S. O’BRIEN: What date was this? When did you say that? When did you
say...
NAGIN: Whenever air Force One was here.
S. O’BRIEN: OK.
NAGIN: And this was after I called him on the telephone two days
earlier. And I said, ‘Mr. President, Madam Governor, you two need to get
together on the same page, because of the lack of coordination, people
are dying in my city.’
S. O’BRIEN: That’s two days ago.
NAGIN: They both shook — I don’t know the exact date. They both
shook their head and said yes. I said, ‘Great.’ I said, ‘Everybody in
this room is getting ready to leave.’ There was senators and his cabinet
people, you name it, they were there. Generals. I said, ‘Everybody right
now, we’re leaving. These two people need to sit in a room together and
make a doggone decision right now.’
S. O’BRIEN: And was that done?
NAGIN: The president looked at me. I think he was a little
surprised. He said, “No, you guys stay here. We’re going to another
section of the plane, and we’re going to make a decision.”
He called me in that office after that. And he said, “Mr. Mayor, I
offered two options to the governor.” I said — and I don’t remember
exactly what. There were two options. I was ready to move today. The
governor said she needed 24 hours to make a decision.
S. O’BRIEN: You’re telling me the president told you the governor
said she needed 24 hours to make a decision?
NAGIN: Yes.
S. O’BRIEN: Regarding what? Bringing troops in?
NAGIN: Whatever they had discussed. As far as what the — I was
abdicating a clear chain of command, so that we could get resources
flowing in the right places.
S. O’BRIEN: And the governor said no.
NAGIN: She said that she needed 24 hours to make a decision. It
would have been great if we could of left Air Force One, walked outside,
and told the world that we had this all worked out. It didn’t happen,
and more people died.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Bush tells lies to Nagin to cover his own incompetence |
07 Sep 2005 08:21:37 PM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:T5SdnayEBa8FH4LeRVn-rA@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:YuKdnTpBkM__VoPeRVn-3A@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote in
news:dfl5rd$c8k$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
In article <h36sh1ld45057ka22hfqokofdtphgfjcd7@4ax.com> duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:39:29 -0600, quibbler
<quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
Blanco asked for aid 24 hours
before the disaster. Bush could have unilaterally moved
soldiers into New Orleans with federal authority alone.
Nope, I believe he needed state authorization.
Bush failed to act.
Are you crazy. You don't move the innocent into the path of the
storm until after it passes.
Absolutely right, and for the very same reason that you don't send
in the firemen until the flames have safely gone out, or call
the cops while the robbers are still in the convenience mart.
False analogy.
I'll give you that, but they should have been ready and waiting (at
somewhere like Shreveport or Houston) to be deployed as soon as the
winds subsided enough to where it was safe to go in.
According to the National Guard, they were doing exactly that. And
then they had to send those people into substantial parts of three
states, not just New Orleans.
Then why did it take several days for them to arrive?
There is a detailed timeline with copious links here:
http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/09/04/katrina-response-
timeline/
As of Tuesday, less than 24 hours after the storm had passed over the
area, this represented the federal response to date to the disaster.
Here are some highlights:
FEMA deployed 23 Disaster Medical Assistance Teams from all across the
U.S. to staging areas in Alabama, Tennessee, Texas, and Louisiana and is
now moving them into impacted areas.
Seven Urban Search and Rescue task forces and two Incident Support Teams
have been deployed and propositioned in Shreveport, La., and Jackson,
Miss., including teams from Florida, Indiana, Ohio, Maryland, Missouri,
Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia. Three more Urban Search and Rescue teams
are in the process of deployment.
FEMA is moving supplies and equipment into the hardest hit areas as
quickly as possible, especially water, ice, meals, medical supplies,
generators, tents, and tarps.
The U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) dispatched more than 390
trucks that are beginning to deliver millions of meals ready to eat,
millions of liters of water, tarps, millions of pounds of ice, mobile
homes, generators, containers of disaster supplies, and forklifts to
flood damaged areas. DOT has helicopters and a plane assisting delivery
of essential supplies.
The National Guard of the four most heavily impacted states are
providing support to civil authorities as well as generator, medical and
shelter with approximately 7,500 troops on State Active Duty. The
National Guard is augmenting civilian law enforcement capacity; not
acting in lieu of it.
At 6:30 PM Mayor Nagin issued an urgent bulletin:
Nagin said efforts to stop the flow of water at the breach on the 17th
Street Canal are failing, which means the floodwaters will rise again.
Nagin said the waters will soon overwhelm the pump, shutting it down. He
said the water will rise to 3 feet above sea level – or 12-15 feet in
some places of east Jefferson and Orleans parishes.
The additional flooding causes 80% of the city to be underwater.
At 8:10 PM, TP reports that more than 24 hours after it started, looting
is now city wide.
“People are leaving the Superdome to go to Canal Street to loot,” Thomas
said. “Some people broke into drug stores and stole the drugs off the
shelves. It is looting times five. I’m telling you, it’s like Sodom and
Gomorrah.”
At 8:55 TP reports that the Army Corps of Engineers is working
frantically to try and fix the breach in the 17th street levee.
Mark Lambert, chief spokesman for the agency, said that a convoy of
trucks carrying 108 15,000-pound concrete barriers – like those used as
highway construction dividers—was en route to the site Tuesday night
The USS Bataan deploys two helicopter squadrons for search and rescue
operations in New Orleans. Revised 9/6
At 9:02 PM TP reports that the State Attorney General’s office is
denying that martial law has been declared.
At 10:40 PM TP reports that 40 additional state troopers have been
deployed more than 28 hours after initial reports of looting.
At 10:15 PM, Governor Blanco releases a statement calling for the
evacuation of the Superdome.
She set no timetable for the withdrawal but insisted that the facility
was damaged, degrading and no longer able to support the local citizens
who had sought refuge in the Dome from Hurricane Katrina.
“It’s a very, very desperate situation,” Blanco said late Tuesday after
returning to the capital from her visit, when she comforted the
exhausted throngs of people, many of whom checked in over the weekend.
“It’s imperative that we get them out. The situation is degenerating
rapidly.”
[read the whole thing]
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’ - Howard Dean
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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08 Sep 2005 07:11:12 AM |
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In <T5SdnayEBa8FH4LeRVn-rA@centurytel.net>, "towelie"
<bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:YuKdnTpBkM__VoPeRVn-3A@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote in
news:dfl5rd$c8k$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
In article <h36sh1ld45057ka22hfqokofdtphgfjcd7@4ax.com> duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:39:29 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Blanco asked for aid 24 hours
before the disaster. Bush could have unilaterally moved soldiers
into New Orleans with federal authority alone.
Nope, I believe he needed state authorization.
Bush failed to act.
Are you crazy. You don't move the innocent into the path of the
storm until after it passes.
Absolutely right, and for the very same reason that you don't send in
the firemen until the flames have safely gone out, or call the cops
while the robbers are still in the convenience mart.
False analogy.
I'll give you that, but they should have been ready and waiting (at
somewhere like Shreveport or Houston) to be deployed as soon as the
winds subsided enough to where it was safe to go in.
According to the National Guard, they were doing exactly that. And then
they had to send those people into substantial parts of three states,
not just New Orleans.
Then why did it take several days for them to arrive?
As I understand it, it was harder to get into the city *before the
flooding than it was *after the flooding.
They keep saying it was "impassable" in the hours after the storm cleared
but somehow they're getting through *after 80% of the city flooded.
Then again, Bush got Louisiana upside down...
http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/637/1/
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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08 Sep 2005 07:30:32 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:EdOdnT1r44jHt73eRVn-uw@megapath.net:
In <T5SdnayEBa8FH4LeRVn-rA@centurytel.net>, "towelie"
<bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:YuKdnTpBkM__VoPeRVn-3A@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote in
news:dfl5rd$c8k$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
In article <h36sh1ld45057ka22hfqokofdtphgfjcd7@4ax.com> duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:39:29 -0600, quibbler
<quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
Blanco asked for aid 24 hours
before the disaster. Bush could have unilaterally moved
soldiers into New Orleans with federal authority alone.
Nope, I believe he needed state authorization.
Bush failed to act.
Are you crazy. You don't move the innocent into the path of the
storm until after it passes.
Absolutely right, and for the very same reason that you don't
send in the firemen until the flames have safely gone out, or
call the cops while the robbers are still in the convenience
mart.
False analogy.
I'll give you that, but they should have been ready and waiting (at
somewhere like Shreveport or Houston) to be deployed as soon as the
winds subsided enough to where it was safe to go in.
According to the National Guard, they were doing exactly that. And
then they had to send those people into substantial parts of three
states, not just New Orleans.
Then why did it take several days for them to arrive?
As I understand it, it was harder to get into the city *before the
flooding than it was *after the flooding.
They keep saying it was "impassable" in the hours after the storm
cleared but somehow they're getting through *after 80% of the city
flooded.
The *LOUISIANA* authorities were refusing to let the Red Cross into the
city immediately after the storm passed through.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "JTEM" |
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09 Sep 2005 01:16:09 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
The *LOUISIANA* authorities were refusing to let the Red
Cross into the city immediately after the storm passed through.
Great. And this excuses FEMA or the "Department of Homeland
Security".... how?
George Bush follows & the Red Cross leads? Is that your claim?
If not, you haven't an argument. Seriously. You. Have. No.
Argument.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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09 Sep 2005 07:57:07 AM |
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In <6JOdnfHGtP7au7zeRVn-og@comcast.com>, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
The *LOUISIANA* authorities were refusing to let the Red Cross into the
city immediately after the storm passed through.
Great. And this excuses FEMA or the "Department of Homeland Security"....
how?
George Bush follows & the Red Cross leads? Is that your claim?
If not, you haven't an argument. Seriously. You. Have. No. Argument.
According to Chimp defenders, we should allow volunteers to wade
through water that is full of ***** (literally) and corpses so they can
take lovely diseases back home and spread them throughout the country.
According to Chimp defenders, the city was "impassible" to the mighty,
superpower federal government but "accessible" to folks from Boise.
Until I see these Chimp defenders wading through e. coli and fecal
chloroform infested waters, carrying supplies themselves, I have no
intention of listening to them about this.
Yes, the state told the Red Cross not to send volunteers into the city. It
was too dangerous and they could have just as easily ended up needing to
be rescued themselves. It was better they set up outside. And they did so.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "JTEM" |
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10 Sep 2005 03:03:28 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote
Until I see these Chimp defenders wading through e. coli
and fecal chloroform infested waters, carrying supplies
themselves, I have no intention of listening to them about this.
Over in another thread, the chimp defenders are denying
any threat of disease. All the news reports on the subject
are wrong, and anyone who so much as raises the subject
is a panic mongerer.
So, is it 1934 yet?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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10 Sep 2005 07:25:20 AM |
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In <PoydnZ2dnZ3_1cuFnZ2dnXcNv96dnZ2dRVn-y52dnZ0@comcast.com>, "JTEM"
<gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote
Until I see these Chimp defenders wading through e. coli and fecal
chloroform infested waters, carrying supplies themselves, I have no
intention of listening to them about this.
Over in another thread, the chimp defenders are denying any threat of
disease. All the news reports on the subject are wrong, and anyone who so
much as raises the subject is a panic mongerer.
So, is it 1934 yet?
Well, no.
The area is seriously contaminated. But that's mostly a *serious
health risk for the people trying to stay. That doesn't *necessarily mean
some epidemic is lurking around, waiting to attack us all.
But it's always a possibility after these kinds of things. Quite often,
it's not the disaster itself that kills the most people, it's the
aftermath. Which is why I'm not at all sympathetic to the "stragglers" who
want to stay there. They could put us *all at risk. They have to leave.
There's just no way around that.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Bush tells lies to Nagin to cover his own incompetence |
09 Sep 2005 08:58:58 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:vLqdnWpL2OgEG7zeRVn-uw@megapath.net:
In <6JOdnfHGtP7au7zeRVn-og@comcast.com>, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
The *LOUISIANA* authorities were refusing to let the Red Cross into
the city immediately after the storm passed through.
Great. And this excuses FEMA or the "Department of Homeland
Security".... how?
George Bush follows & the Red Cross leads? Is that your claim?
If not, you haven't an argument. Seriously. You. Have. No. Argument.
According to Chimp defenders, we should allow volunteers to wade
through water that is full of ***** (literally) and corpses so they can
take lovely diseases back home and spread them throughout the country.
Note the timeline. *IMMEDIATELY* after the storm hit. BEFORE the
flooding.
According to Chimp defenders, the city was "impassible" to the mighty,
superpower federal government but "accessible" to folks from Boise.
Until I see these Chimp defenders wading through e. coli and fecal
chloroform infested waters, carrying supplies themselves, I have no
intention of listening to them about this.
That's "fecal coliform" and includes e. coli.
Yes, the state told the Red Cross not to send volunteers into the
city. It was too dangerous and they could have just as easily ended up
needing to be rescued themselves. It was better they set up outside.
And they did so.
So what's the problem? The Feds did exactly the same as the state, and
you're complaining?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: Bush tells lies to Nagin to cover his own incompetence |
09 Sep 2005 11:02:40 AM |
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TV's Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <6JOdnfHGtP7au7zeRVn-og@comcast.com>, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
The *LOUISIANA* authorities were refusing to let the Red Cross into the
city immediately after the storm passed through.
Great. And this excuses FEMA or the "Department of Homeland
Security".... how?
George Bush follows & the Red Cross leads? Is that your claim?
If not, you haven't an argument. Seriously. You. Have. No. Argument.
According to Chimp defenders, we should allow volunteers to wade
through water that is full of ***** (literally) and corpses so they can
take lovely diseases back home and spread them throughout the country.
According to Chimp defenders, the city was "impassible" to the mighty,
superpower federal government but "accessible" to folks from Boise.
Until I see these Chimp defenders wading through e. coli and fecal
chloroform infested waters, carrying supplies themselves, I have no
intention of listening to them about this.
They're used to fecal material, as their skulls are stuffed full of it.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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07 Sep 2005 11:07:40 AM |
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In episode <YuKdnTpBkM__VoPeRVn-3A@centurytel.net>, towelie burst into the
room and exclaimed:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote in
news:dfl5rd$c8k$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
In article <h36sh1ld45057ka22hfqokofdtphgfjcd7@4ax.com> duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:39:29 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Blanco asked for aid 24 hours
before the disaster. Bush could have unilaterally moved soldiers
into New Orleans with federal authority alone.
Nope, I believe he needed state authorization.
Bush failed to act.
Are you crazy. You don't move the innocent into the path of the storm
until after it passes.
Absolutely right, and for the very same reason that you don't send in
the firemen until the flames have safely gone out, or call the cops
while the robbers are still in the convenience mart.
False analogy.
I'll give you that, but they should have been ready and waiting (at
somewhere like Shreveport or Houston) to be deployed as soon as the winds
subsided enough to where it was safe to go in.
Not until the org chart was done!
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "duke" |
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07 Sep 2005 05:48:55 PM |
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On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 06:13:44 -0500, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
I'll give you that, but they should have been ready and waiting (at
somewhere like Shreveport or Houston) to be deployed as soon as the winds
subsided enough to where it was safe to go in.
Governor Blanco didn't authorize them.
The law is the law. She got some really bad advice.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "towelie" |
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07 Sep 2005 06:12:33 AM |
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TV's duke wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:39:29 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Blanco asked for aid 24 hours
before the disaster. Bush could have unilaterally moved soldiers into
New Orleans with federal authority alone.
Nope, I believe he needed state authorization.
Bush failed to act.
Are you crazy. You don't move the innocent into the path of the storm
until after it passes.
Now he is
making excuses, as he always does. Blanco only refused to surrender
100% control to the Bush administration and that was entirely
appropriate, because she should not have to surrender the ability to
govern the state in exchange for help.
The law is the law.
He's never respected the law before, why should he start now?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Bush tells lies to Nagin to cover his own incompetence |
07 Sep 2005 11:05:59 AM |
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In episode <BL-dnX0419aGVoPeRVn-qQ@centurytel.net>, towelie burst into the
room and exclaimed:
TV's duke wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:39:29 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Blanco asked for aid 24 hours
before the disaster. Bush could have unilaterally moved soldiers into
New Orleans with federal authority alone.
Nope, I believe he needed state authorization.
Bush failed to act.
Are you crazy. You don't move the innocent into the path of the storm
until after it passes.
Now he is
making excuses, as he always does. Blanco only refused to surrender
100% control to the Bush administration and that was entirely
appropriate, because she should not have to surrender the ability to
govern the state in exchange for help.
The law is the law.
He's never respected the law before, why should he start now?
And it's not "the law." Brown was talking about administrative crap.
There's nothing to mandate a "unified command."
Or can someone cite the law where it says "unified command or you starve?"
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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06 Sep 2005 10:41:42 AM |
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quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1d87580e4d2ac708989906@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <1126012897.a125b5b1122655a6d7b7aa23774dbdf5@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/05/ltm.01.html
NAGIN: She said that she needed 24 hours to make a decision. It
would have been great if we could of left Air Force One, walked
outside, and told the world that we had this all worked out. It
didn't happen, and more people died.
More BS. Firstly, Nagin has long been a political opponent of Blanco,
and this kind of third-hand hearsay by Bush to Nagin about something
Blanco allegedly said is typically ridiculous. Blanco asked for aid
24 hours before the disaster. Bush could have unilaterally moved
soldiers into New Orleans with federal authority alone.
No, he could not. Not without the authority from the Governor that you
admit below that she waffled about giving.
Bush failed to act. Now he is making excuses, as he always does.
Blanco only refused to surrender 100% control to the Bush
administration and that was entirely appropriate, because she should
not have to surrender the ability to govern the state in exchange for
help.
Nice spin you got there, quibbler. Too bad your blame-shifting Democrat
role-models can't keep the facts from coming out.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
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06 Sep 2005 02:51:18 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1126021302.f419a258c8b1538018828ee1ecc22b88@teranews...
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1d87580e4d2ac708989906@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <1126012897.a125b5b1122655a6d7b7aa23774dbdf5@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/05/ltm.01.html
NAGIN: She said that she needed 24 hours to make a decision. It
would have been great if we could of left Air Force One, walked
outside, and told the world that we had this all worked out. It
didn't happen, and more people died.
More BS. Firstly, Nagin has long been a political opponent of Blanco,
and this kind of third-hand hearsay by Bush to Nagin about something
Blanco allegedly said is typically ridiculous. Blanco asked for aid
24 hours before the disaster. Bush could have unilaterally moved
soldiers into New Orleans with federal authority alone.
No, he could not. Not without the authority from the Governor that you
admit below that she waffled about giving.
Bush failed to act. Now he is making excuses, as he always does.
Blanco only refused to surrender 100% control to the Bush
administration and that was entirely appropriate, because she should
not have to surrender the ability to govern the state in exchange for
help.
Nice spin you got there, quibbler. Too bad your blame-shifting Democrat
role-models can't keep the facts from coming out.
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I do remember hearing a sound clip on the radio before the storm hit, and
the Governess was syaing something about praying. I said to myself "*****!
What are they doing about the f* storm?" then after the storm passsed and
people were looting sores to get food to survive, I heard the governess say
something about 300 troops with loaded guns ready to shoot the people.
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06 Sep 2005 01:06:41 PM |
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In episode <1126021302.f419a258c8b1538018828ee1ecc22b88@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
No, he could not. Not without the authority from the Governor that you
admit below that she waffled about giving.
They demanded turning Louisiana into a fiefdom for Brown to be carried
around in a sedan car, waving to the peasants. That's what Brown wanted
instead of feeding people.
And ***** you more. The "chain of command" could have been worked on *after
and *while FEMA was suppling food, water, and medicine and other such help
to those people. The issue of troops was *NOT* what starved those people
half to death.
You weren't here you *****. Shut the ***** up.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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06 Sep 2005 02:48:26 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:B6-dnZ6Md6MtR4DeRVn-tg@megapath.net:
In episode <1126021302.f419a258c8b1538018828ee1ecc22b88@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
No, he could not. Not without the authority from the Governor that
you admit below that she waffled about giving.
They demanded turning Louisiana into a fiefdom for Brown to be carried
around in a sedan car, waving to the peasants. That's what Brown
wanted instead of feeding people.
Prove it. Document right here what Brown was asking for.
And ***** you more. The "chain of command" could have been worked on
*after and *while FEMA was suppling food, water, and medicine and
other such help to those people. The issue of troops was *NOT* what
starved those people half to death.
You're right, it was the issue of the governor not giving FEMA the
necessary authority to take command of the situation.
You weren't here you *****. Shut the ***** up.
No, I'm not going to shut up.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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06 Sep 2005 06:32:50 PM |
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In episode <1126036108.5ee78320933b3f14fbf11eb74cde5bab@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:B6-dnZ6Md6MtR4DeRVn-tg@megapath.net:
In episode <1126021302.f419a258c8b1538018828ee1ecc22b88@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
No, he could not. Not without the authority from the Governor that you
admit below that she waffled about giving.
They demanded turning Louisiana into a fiefdom for Brown to be carried
around in a sedan car, waving to the peasants. That's what Brown wanted
instead of feeding people.
Prove it. Document right here what Brown was asking for.
You tell me. He wanted a "unified command" under his control. And he was
not delivering food and water while he was bitching about wanting control.
And ***** you more. The "chain of command" could have been worked on
*after and *while FEMA was suppling food, water, and medicine and other
such help to those people. The issue of troops was *NOT* what starved
those people half to death.
You're right, it was the issue of the governor not giving FEMA the
necessary authority to take command of the situation.
You lying *****. They had the authority to provide disaster relief
*already.
You weren't here you *****. Shut the ***** up.
No, I'm not going to shut up.
Then I'll be continuing to call you on your filthy lies.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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06 Sep 2005 08:01:00 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:MqCdnV9tSae8uoPeRVn-rg@megapath.net:
In episode <1126036108.5ee78320933b3f14fbf11eb74cde5bab@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:B6-dnZ6Md6MtR4DeRVn-tg@megapath.net:
In episode <1126021302.f419a258c8b1538018828ee1ecc22b88@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
No, he could not. Not without the authority from the Governor that
you admit below that she waffled about giving.
They demanded turning Louisiana into a fiefdom for Brown to be
carried around in a sedan car, waving to the peasants. That's what
Brown wanted instead of feeding people.
Prove it. Document right here what Brown was asking for.
You tell me. He wanted a "unified command" under his control. And he
was not delivering food and water while he was bitching about wanting
control.
Mike Painter gave a very cogent explanation of that. I'm going to copy
it here, hopefully he won't mind:
"I don't know the full story but unified command aka Incident Command
System started in California with our fire service. It is being adapted
throughout the USA because it works.
The ultra-conservative fire service is 20 - 30 years behind Europe in
terms of most equipment and techniques. For them to adopt such a system
it has to be something unique.
Without such a structure you have the responsibility but none of the
authority. One of the *very* few things I learned in the army is that
this is a recipe for disaster.
20 different agencies send the same supplies to the same place and
ignore other areas.
It's your fault, but you can't fix it and you won't even know about it
until the reporters tell you.
The Red Cross uses what is essentially this system in their mass care
and shelter ops.
It allows a *very* small number of trained people to manage a large
number of trained on the spot people and they in turn can manage a large
shelter.
It works from managing a single car accident to a major wildfire
involving tens of thousands of acres, or a major flood."
And ***** you more. The "chain of command" could have been worked on
*after and *while FEMA was suppling food, water, and medicine and
other such help to those people. The issue of troops was *NOT* what
starved those people half to death.
You're right, it was the issue of the governor not giving FEMA the
necessary authority to take command of the situation.
You lying *****. They had the authority to provide disaster relief
*already.
But they still needed to coordinate with the state and local response
units.
You weren't here you *****. Shut the ***** up.
No, I'm not going to shut up.
Then I'll be continuing to call you on your filthy lies.
And I'll be continuing to show that you're wrong.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’ - Howard Dean
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06 Sep 2005 10:02:35 PM |
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In episode <1126054861.5679fbf148dfa5ad2f5cf29f9c239bc3@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:MqCdnV9tSae8uoPeRVn-rg@megapath.net:
In episode <1126036108.5ee78320933b3f14fbf11eb74cde5bab@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:B6-dnZ6Md6MtR4DeRVn-tg@megapath.net:
In episode <1126021302.f419a258c8b1538018828ee1ecc22b88@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
No, he could not. Not without the authority from the Governor that
you admit below that she waffled about giving.
They demanded turning Louisiana into a fiefdom for Brown to be carried
around in a sedan car, waving to the peasants. That's what Brown
wanted instead of feeding people.
Prove it. Document right here what Brown was asking for.
You tell me. He wanted a "unified command" under his control. And he was
not delivering food and water while he was bitching about wanting
control.
Mike Painter gave a very cogent explanation of that. I'm going to copy it
here, hopefully he won't mind:
I read it. What of it?
You're still talking about dicking with the org chart instead of giving
people food and water.
FEMA already had authority to act. They wanted *more authority before
anybody would get food and water. It's like they held those people hostage.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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06 Sep 2005 06:47:02 PM |
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On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:48:26 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:B6-dnZ6Md6MtR4DeRVn-tg@megapath.net:
In episode <1126021302.f419a258c8b1538018828ee1ecc22b88@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
No, he could not. Not without the authority from the Governor that
you admit below that she waffled about giving.
They demanded turning Louisiana into a fiefdom for Brown to be carried
around in a sedan car, waving to the peasants. That's what Brown
wanted instead of feeding people.
Prove it. Document right here what Brown was asking for.
Nagin never said what Bush demanded of the governor. He just said
there were two options and he wasn't going to do anything until the
Govenor answered him. In other words, he was quite happy to starve
people until the govenor gave in to him.
Nice guy, Bush.
And ***** you more. The "chain of command" could have been worked on
*after and *while FEMA was suppling food, water, and medicine and
other such help to those people. The issue of troops was *NOT* what
starved those people half to death.
You're right, it was the issue of the governor not giving FEMA the
necessary authority to take command of the situation.
Interesting that no one else in the history of FEMA has had to give
'necessary authority' in order to get help from it.
Your little president is pretty damn heartless to be pushing some kind
of weird political agenda instead helping those people.
You weren't here you *****. Shut the ***** up.
No, I'm not going to shut up.
No, that would be far to much to expect from you. You just keep
proving what a stupid nasty useless suck up you are to your corrupt
useless party.
And you wonder why no one wants to be identified with you around here.
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06 Sep 2005 08:17:51 PM |
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(Kate ) wrote in news:43eb28d8.1551780890@news-
west.newscene.com:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:48:26 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:B6-dnZ6Md6MtR4DeRVn-tg@megapath.net:
In episode <1126021302.f419a258c8b1538018828ee1ecc22b88@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
No, he could not. Not without the authority from the Governor that
you admit below that she waffled about giving.
They demanded turning Louisiana into a fiefdom for Brown to be
carried
around in a sedan car, waving to the peasants. That's what Brown
wanted instead of feeding people.
Prove it. Document right here what Brown was asking for.
Nagin never said what Bush demanded of the governor. He just said
there were two options and he wasn't going to do anything until the
Govenor answered him. In other words, he was quite happy to starve
people until the govenor gave in to him.
Nice guy, Bush.
Nice way to document claims, Kate.
And ***** you more. The "chain of command" could have been worked on
*after and *while FEMA was suppling food, water, and medicine and
other such help to those people. The issue of troops was *NOT* what
starved those people half to death.
You're right, it was the issue of the governor not giving FEMA the
necessary authority to take command of the situation.
Interesting that no one else in the history of FEMA has had to give
'necessary authority' in order to get help from it.
Uhh, yes, they have. They just do it instead of complaining about it,
that's all.
Your little president is pretty damn heartless to be pushing some kind
of weird political agenda instead helping those people.
If you consider being able to coordinate the relief effort a "weird
political agenda".
You weren't here you *****. Shut the ***** up.
No, I'm not going to shut up.
No, that would be far to much to expect from you. You just keep
proving what a stupid nasty useless suck up you are to your corrupt
useless party.
And you wonder why no one wants to be identified with you around here.
I wonder why I should care?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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06 Sep 2005 10:01:13 PM |
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In episode <1126055871.4cd320ed207e4c5e626d07946f183caf@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in news:43eb28d8.1551780890@news-
west.newscene.com:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:48:26 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:B6-dnZ6Md6MtR4DeRVn-tg@megapath.net:
In episode <1126021302.f419a258c8b1538018828ee1ecc22b88@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
No, he could not. Not without the authority from the Governor that
you admit below that she waffled about giving.
They demanded turning Louisiana into a fiefdom for Brown to be
carried
around in a sedan car, waving to the peasants. That's what Brown
wanted instead of feeding people.
Prove it. Document right here what Brown was asking for.
Nagin never said what Bush demanded of the governor. He just said there
were two options and he wasn't going to do anything until the Govenor
answered him. In other words, he was quite happy to starve people until
the govenor gave in to him.
Nice guy, Bush.
Nice way to document claims, Kate.
And ***** you more. The "chain of command" could have been worked on
*after and *while FEMA was suppling food, water, and medicine and
other such help to those people. The issue of troops was *NOT* what
starved those people half to death.
You're right, it was the issue of the governor not giving FEMA the
necessary authority to take command of the situation.
Interesting that no one else in the history of FEMA has had to give
'necessary authority' in order to get help from it.
Uhh, yes, they have. They just do it instead of complaining about it,
that's all.
FEMA had the authority to supply those people. They had it Friday before
landfall.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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06 Sep 2005 11:16:02 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 01:17:51 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in news:43eb28d8.1551780890@news-
west.newscene.com:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:48:26 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:B6-dnZ6Md6MtR4DeRVn-tg@megapath.net:
In episode <1126021302.f419a258c8b1538018828ee1ecc22b88@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
No, he could not. Not without the authority from the Governor that
you admit below that she waffled about giving.
They demanded turning Louisiana into a fiefdom for Brown to be
carried
around in a sedan car, waving to the peasants. That's what Brown
wanted instead of feeding people.
Prove it. Document right here what Brown was asking for.
Nagin never said what Bush demanded of the governor. He just said
there were two options and he wasn't going to do anything until the
Govenor answered him. In other words, he was quite happy to starve
people until the govenor gave in to him.
Nice guy, Bush.
Nice way to document claims, Kate.
(shrug) I watched the interview. What's your excuse?
And ***** you more. The "chain of command" could have been worked on
*after and *while FEMA was suppling food, water, and medicine and
other such help to those people. The issue of troops was *NOT* what
starved those people half to death.
You're right, it was the issue of the governor not giving FEMA the
necessary authority to take command of the situation.
Interesting that no one else in the history of FEMA has had to give
'necessary authority' in order to get help from it.
Uhh, yes, they have. They just do it instead of complaining about it,
that's all.
cite.
Your little president is pretty damn heartless to be pushing some kind
of weird political agenda instead helping those people.
If you consider being able to coordinate the relief effort a "weird
political agenda".
Ah, since he can't dictate everything, people die.
You weren't here you *****. Shut the ***** up.
No, I'm not going to shut up.
No, that would be far to much to expect from you. You just keep
proving what a stupid nasty useless suck up you are to your corrupt
useless party.
And you wonder why no one wants to be identified with you around here.
I wonder why I should care?
Apparently you do - you whined about it.
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07 Sep 2005 08:47:30 AM |
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(Kate ) wrote in
news:43f6689f.1568107593@news-west.newscene.com:
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 01:17:51 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
(Kate ) wrote in news:43eb28d8.1551780890@news-
west.newscene.com:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:48:26 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:B6-dnZ6Md6MtR4DeRVn-tg@megapath.net:
In episode <1126021302.f419a258c8b1538018828ee1ecc22b88@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
No, he could not. Not without the authority from the Governor
that you admit below that she waffled about giving.
They demanded turning Louisiana into a fiefdom for Brown to be
carried
around in a sedan car, waving to the peasants. That's what Brown
wanted instead of feeding people.
Prove it. Document right here what Brown was asking for.
Nagin never said what Bush demanded of the governor. He just said
there were two options and he wasn't going to do anything until the
Govenor answered him. In other words, he was quite happy to starve
people until the govenor gave in to him.
Nice guy, Bush.
Nice way to document claims, Kate.
(shrug) I watched the interview. What's your excuse?
And ***** you more. The "chain of command" could have been worked
on *after and *while FEMA was suppling food, water, and medicine
and other such help to those people. The issue of troops was *NOT*
what starved those people half to death.
You're right, it was the issue of the governor not giving FEMA the
necessary authority to take command of the situation.
Interesting that no one else in the history of FEMA has had to give
'necessary authority' in order to get help from it.
Uhh, yes, they have. They just do it instead of complaining about it,
that's all.
cite.
I was there. What's your excuse?
Your little president is pretty damn heartless to be pushing some
kind of weird political agenda instead helping those people.
If you consider being able to coordinate the relief effort a "weird
political agenda".
Ah, since he can't dictate everything, people die.
Hyperbole.
You weren't here you *****. Shut the ***** up.
No, I'm not going to shut up.
No, that would be far to much to expect from you. You just keep
proving what a stupid nasty useless suck up you are to your corrupt
useless party.
And you wonder why no one wants to be identified with you around
here.
I wonder why I should care?
Apparently you do - you whined about it.
You're insane, Kate.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’ - Howard Dean
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06 Sep 2005 08:11:56 PM |
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In episode <43eb28d8.1551780890@news-west.newscene.com>, Kate burst into
the room and exclaimed:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:48:26 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:B6-dnZ6Md6MtR4DeRVn-tg@megapath.net:
In episode <1126021302.f419a258c8b1538018828ee1ecc22b88@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
No, he could not. Not without the authority from the Governor that you
admit below that she waffled about giving.
They demanded turning Louisiana into a fiefdom for Brown to be carried
around in a sedan car, waving to the peasants. That's what Brown wanted
instead of feeding people.
Prove it. Document right here what Brown was asking for.
Nagin never said what Bush demanded of the governor. He just said there
were two options and he wasn't going to do anything until the Govenor
answered him. In other words, he was quite happy to starve people until
the govenor gave in to him.
Brown was quite content to let those people go without food and water
until he got his "unified command." He couldn't even ship supplies to them
*while he haggled with Blanco. Oh no, he held them fucking *hostage
(intentionally or not).
Nice guy, Bush.
And ***** you more. The "chain of command" could have been worked on
*after and *while FEMA was suppling food, water, and medicine and other
such help to those people. The issue of troops was *NOT* what starved
those people half to death.
You're right, it was the issue of the governor not giving FEMA the
necessary authority to take command of the situation.
Interesting that no one else in the history of FEMA has had to give
'necessary authority' in order to get help from it.
I want to know what Jeb had to hand over to get help after those four
hurricanes hit his state.
Your little president is pretty damn heartless to be pushing some kind of
weird political agenda instead helping those people.
You weren't here you *****. Shut the ***** up.
No, I'm not going to shut up.
No, that would be far to much to expect from you. You just keep proving
what a stupid nasty useless suck up you are to your corrupt useless party.
And you wonder why no one wants to be identified with you around here.
I've come to actively hate Fred. We're talking my goddamned neighbors. And
I *know what Nagin did. I was here. He did everything he could to get
people out and keep safe the ones who couldn't leave. His only mistake was
believing that aid would come in after the hurricane like happened for
Jeb's state.
Nagin should be getting a goddamned medal, not being trashed by these
incompetent assholes.
But, then again, I'm sure the Bush camp has heard of "criminal negligence."
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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06 Sep 2005 09:39:26 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:6_SdnZ2dnZ3xR5SnnZ2dncajg96dnZ2dRVn-0J2dnZ0@megapath.net:
In episode <43eb28d8.1551780890@news-west.newscene.com>, Kate burst
into the room and exclaimed:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:48:26 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:B6-dnZ6Md6MtR4DeRVn-tg@megapath.net:
In episode <1126021302.f419a258c8b1538018828ee1ecc22b88@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
No, he could not. Not without the authority from the Governor that
you admit below that she waffled about giving.
They demanded turning Louisiana into a fiefdom for Brown to be
carried around in a sedan car, waving to the peasants. That's what
Brown wanted instead of feeding people.
Prove it. Document right here what Brown was asking for.
Nagin never said what Bush demanded of the governor. He just said
there were two options and he wasn't going to do anything until the
Govenor answered him. In other words, he was quite happy to starve
people until the govenor gave in to him.
Brown was quite content to let those people go without food and water
until he got his "unified command." He couldn't even ship supplies to
them *while he haggled with Blanco. Oh no, he held them fucking
*hostage (intentionally or not).
You're finally getting to the point of the matter. He couldn't just ship
supplies to them without coodinating with the local authorities. That's
just how it works, Mark.
Nice guy, Bush.
And ***** you more. The "chain of command" could have been worked on
*after and *while FEMA was suppling food, water, and medicine and
other such help to those people. The issue of troops was *NOT* what
starved those people half to death.
You're right, it was the issue of the governor not giving FEMA the
necessary authority to take command of the situation.
Interesting that no one else in the history of FEMA has had to give
'necessary authority' in order to get help from it.
I want to know what Jeb had to hand over to get help after those four
hurricanes hit his state.
People to coordinate with FEMA instead of playing control games.
Your little president is pretty damn heartless to be pushing some
kind of weird political agenda instead helping those people.
You weren't here you *****. Shut the ***** up.
No, I'm not going to shut up.
No, that would be far to much to expect from you. You just keep
proving what a stupid nasty useless suck up you are to your corrupt
useless party.
And you wonder why no one wants to be identified with you around
here.
I've come to actively hate Fred. We're talking my goddamned neighbors.
And I *know what Nagin did. I was here. He did everything he could to
get people out and keep safe the ones who couldn't leave. His only
mistake was believing that aid would come in after the hurricane like
happened for Jeb's state.
Jeb's state already had stockpiles of supplies ready to distribute when
they were needed.
Nagin should be getting a goddamned medal, not being trashed by these
incompetent assholes.
When you stop throwing *****, I'll stop throwing it back, Mark.
Very simple.
But, then again, I'm sure the Bush camp has heard of "criminal
negligence."
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Bush tells lies to Nagin to cover his own incompetence |
06 Sep 2005 11:49:19 PM |
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In episode <1126060766.d1304a4a776aa2cf66d58143dea02998@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:6_SdnZ2dnZ3xR5SnnZ2dncajg96dnZ2dRVn-0J2dnZ0@megapath.net:
In episode <43eb28d8.1551780890@news-west.newscene.com>, Kate burst into
the room and exclaimed:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:48:26 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:B6-dnZ6Md6MtR4DeRVn-tg@megapath.net:
In episode <1126021302.f419a258c8b1538018828ee1ecc22b88@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
No, he could not. Not without the authority from the Governor that
you admit below that she waffled about giving.
They demanded turning Louisiana into a fiefdom for Brown to be
carried around in a sedan car, waving to the peasants. That's what
Brown wanted instead of feeding people.
Prove it. Document right here what Brown was asking for.
Nagin never said what Bush demanded of the governor. He just said
there were two options and he wasn't going to do anything until the
Govenor answered him. In other words, he was quite happy to starve
people until the govenor gave in to him.
Brown was quite content to let those people go without food and water
until he got his "unified command." He couldn't even ship supplies to
them *while he haggled with Blanco. Oh no, he held them fucking *hostage
(intentionally or not).
You're finally getting to the point of the matter. He couldn't just ship
supplies to them without coodinating with the local authorities. That's
just how it works, Mark.
You lie. The documents still exist. You can't spin them away. The request
and authorization to render aid was made Friday before landfall. Brown was
apparently not content with rendering aid. He wanted a "unified command"
of his own.
Nice guy, Bush.
And ***** you more. The "chain of command" could have been worked on
*after and *while FEMA was suppling food, water, and medicine and
other such help to those people. The issue of troops was *NOT* what
starved those people half to death.
You're right, it was the issue of the governor not giving FEMA the
necessary authority to take command of the situation.
Interesting that no one else in the history of FEMA has had to give
'necessary authority' in order to get help from it.
I want to know what Jeb had to hand over to get help after those four
hurricanes hit his state.
People to coordinate with FEMA instead of playing control games.
Was Jeb told to turn over his state to FEMA before he got aid?
Your little president is pretty damn heartless to be pushing some kind
of weird political agenda instead helping those people.
You weren't here you *****. Shut the ***** up.
No, I'm not going to shut up.
No, that would be far to much to expect from you. You just keep
proving what a stupid nasty useless suck up you are to your corrupt
useless party.
And you wonder why no one wants to be identified with you around here.
I've come to actively hate Fred. We're talking my goddamned neighbors.
And I *know what Nagin did. I was here. He did everything he could to
get people out and keep safe the ones who couldn't leave. His only
mistake was believing that aid would come in after the hurricane like
happened for Jeb's state.
Jeb's state already had stockpiles of supplies ready to distribute when
they were needed.
And we're back to the issue you don't want to deal with. Florida has
money. You're basically telling me that poor states are just fucked.
Nagin should be getting a goddamned medal, not being trashed by these
incompetent assholes.
When you stop throwing *****, I'll stop throwing it back, Mark. Very
simple.
Are you under some bizarre impression that there will ever be another
civil exchange between us for as long as you live? I hate you Fred Stone.
If you come with spitting distance of me, you better have a towel to wipe
your face.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Bush tells lies to Nagin to cover his own incompetence |
07 Sep 2005 09:01:35 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:_9idnWTBWvfQ7IPeRVn-2g@megapath.net:
In episode <1126060766.d1304a4a776aa2cf66d58143dea02998@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:6_SdnZ2dnZ3xR5SnnZ2dncajg96dnZ2dRVn-0J2dnZ0@megapath.net:
In episode <43eb28d8.1551780890@news-west.newscene.com>, Kate burst
into the room and exclaimed:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:48:26 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:B6-dnZ6Md6MtR4DeRVn-tg@megapath.net:
In episode
<1126021302.f419a258c8b1538018828ee1ecc22b88@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
No, he could not. Not without the authority from the Governor
that you admit below that she waffled about giving.
They demanded turning Louisiana into a fiefdom for Brown to be
carried around in a sedan car, waving to the peasants. That's
what Brown wanted instead of feeding people.
Prove it. Document right here what Brown was asking for.
Nagin never said what Bush demanded of the governor. He just said
there were two options and he wasn't going to do anything until the
Govenor answered him. In other words, he was quite happy to starve
people until the govenor gave in to him.
Brown was quite content to let those people go without food and
water until he got his "unified command." He couldn't even ship
supplies to them *while he haggled with Blanco. Oh no, he held them
fucking *hostage (intentionally or not).
You're finally getting to the point of the matter. He couldn't just
ship supplies to them without coodinating with the local authorities.
That's just how it works, Mark.
You lie. The documents still exist. You can't spin them away. The
request and authorization to render aid was made Friday before
landfall. Brown was apparently not content with rendering aid. He
wanted a "unified command" of his own.
That's how it works, Mark. I'm not the only one who has tried to explain
it to you.
Nice guy, Bush.
And ***** you more. The "chain of command" could have been worked
on *after and *while FEMA was suppling food, water, and medicine
and other such help to those people. The issue of troops was
*NOT* what starved those people half to death.
You're right, it was the issue of the governor not giving FEMA the
necessary authority to take command of the situation.
Interesting that no one else in the history of FEMA has had to give
'necessary authority' in order to get help from it.
I want to know what Jeb had to hand over to get help after those
four hurricanes hit his state.
People to coordinate with FEMA instead of playing control games.
Was Jeb told to turn over his state to FEMA before he got aid?
Please document *exactly* what was asked of Governor Blanco. The
specific words, not your hyperbole.
Your little president is pretty damn heartless to be pushing some
kind of weird political agenda instead helping those people.
You weren't here you *****. Shut the ***** up.
No, I'm not going to shut up.
No, that would be far to much to expect from you. You just keep
proving what a stupid nasty useless suck up you are to your corrupt
useless party.
And you wonder why no one wants to be identified with you around
here.
I've come to actively hate Fred. We're talking my goddamned
neighbors. And I *know what Nagin did. I was here. He did everything
he could to get people out and keep safe the ones who couldn't
leave. His only mistake was believing that aid would come in after
the hurricane like happened for Jeb's state.
Jeb's state already had stockpiles of supplies ready to distribute
when they were needed.
And we're back to the issue you don't want to deal with. Florida has
money. You're basically telling me that poor states are just fucked.
Your state could afford more than a hundred million dollars to build a
football stadium, but couldn't afford to stock food and water for the
hurricane?
Nagin should be getting a goddamned medal, not being trashed by
these incompetent assholes.
When you stop throwing *****, I'll stop throwing it back, Mark. Very
simple.
Are you under some bizarre impression that there will ever be another
civil exchange between us for as long as you live? I hate you Fred
Stone. If you come with spitting distance of me, you better have a
towel to wipe your face.
You should know by now that namecalling and flames aren't going to make
me go away.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Bush tells lies to Nagin to cover his own incompetence |
07 Sep 2005 11:11:47 AM |
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In episode <1126101695.557aa2f665cf849684a8102f78a635c1@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
<snippage for space>
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:_9idnWTBWvfQ7IPeRVn-2g@megapath.net:
You lie. The documents still exist. You can't spin them away. The
request and authorization to render aid was made Friday before landfall.
Brown was apparently not content with rendering aid. He wanted a
"unified command" of his own.
That's how it works, Mark. I'm not the only one who has tried to explain
it to you.
You just admitted that in future disasters, people will be allowed to
suffer and die unless the state surrenders total control to Michael Brown.
Apparently, it is no longer the function of FEMA to assist. It is their
function to *RULE.
Please document *exactly* what was asked of Governor Blanco. The specific
words, not your hyperbole.
Was Jeb required to turn over control of his state before aid would be
rendered?
Your state could afford more than a hundred million dollars to build a
football stadium, but couldn't afford to stock food and water for the
hurricane?
What stadium were we building?
Nagin should be getting a goddamned medal, not being trashed by these
incompetent assholes.
When you stop throwing *****, I'll stop throwing it back, Mark. Very
simple.
Are you under some bizarre impression that there will ever be another
civil exchange between us for as long as you live? I hate you Fred
Stone. If you come with spitting distance of me, you better have a towel
to wipe your face.
You should know by now that namecalling and flames aren't going to make me
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