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Religions > Atheism |
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"Fred Stone" |
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06 Sep 2005 08:21:37 AM |
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Nagin Rolls Over On Blanco |
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/05/ltm.01.html
NAGIN: Look, I’ll take whatever responsibility that I have to take.
But let me ask you this question: When you have a city of 500,000
people, and you have a category 5 storm bearing down on you, and you
have the best you’ve ever done is evacuate 60 percent of the people out
of the city, and you have never issued a mandatory evacuation in the
city’s history, a city that is a couple of hundred years old, I did
that. I elevated the level of distress to the citizens.
And I don’t know what else I could do, other than to tell them that
it’s a mandatory evacuation. And if they stayed, make sure you have a
frigging ax in your home, where you can bust out the roof just in case
the water starts flowing.
And as a last resort, once this thing is above a category 3, there
are no buildings in this city to withstand a category 3, a category 4 or
a category 5 storm, other than the Superdome. That’s where we sent
people as a shelter of last resort. When that filled up, we sent them to
the Convention Center. Now, you tell me what else we could have done.
S. O’BRIEN: What has Secretary Chertoff promised you? What has
Donald Rumsfeld given you and promised you?
NAGIN: Look, I’ve gotten promises to — I can’t stand anymore
promises. I don’t want to hear anymore promises. I want to see stuff
done. And that’s why I’m so happy that the president came down here,
because I think they were feeding him a line of bull also. And they were
telling him things weren’t as bad as it was.
He came down and saw it, and he put a general on the field. His name
is General Honore. And when he hit the field, we started to see action.
And what the state was doing, I don’t frigging know. But I tell you,
I am pissed. It wasn’t adequate.
And then, the president and the governor sat down. We were in Air
Force One. I said, ‘Mr. President, Madam Governor, you two have to get
in sync. If you don’t get in sync, more people are going to die.’
S. O’BRIEN: What date was this? When did you say that? When did you
say...
NAGIN: Whenever air Force One was here.
S. O’BRIEN: OK.
NAGIN: And this was after I called him on the telephone two days
earlier. And I said, ‘Mr. President, Madam Governor, you two need to get
together on the same page, because of the lack of coordination, people
are dying in my city.’
S. O’BRIEN: That’s two days ago.
NAGIN: They both shook — I don’t know the exact date. They both
shook their head and said yes. I said, ‘Great.’ I said, ‘Everybody in
this room is getting ready to leave.’ There was senators and his cabinet
people, you name it, they were there. Generals. I said, ‘Everybody right
now, we’re leaving. These two people need to sit in a room together and
make a doggone decision right now.’
S. O’BRIEN: And was that done?
NAGIN: The president looked at me. I think he was a little
surprised. He said, “No, you guys stay here. We’re going to another
section of the plane, and we’re going to make a decision.”
He called me in that office after that. And he said, “Mr. Mayor, I
offered two options to the governor.” I said — and I don’t remember
exactly what. There were two options. I was ready to move today. The
governor said she needed 24 hours to make a decision.
S. O’BRIEN: You’re telling me the president told you the governor
said she needed 24 hours to make a decision?
NAGIN: Yes.
S. O’BRIEN: Regarding what? Bringing troops in?
NAGIN: Whatever they had discussed. As far as what the — I was
abdicating a clear chain of command, so that we could get resources
flowing in the right places.
S. O’BRIEN: And the governor said no.
NAGIN: She said that she needed 24 hours to make a decision. It
would have been great if we could of left Air Force One, walked outside,
and told the world that we had this all worked out. It didn’t happen,
and more people died.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Bush tells lies to Nagin to cover his own incompetence |
06 Sep 2005 09:39:29 AM |
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In article <1126012897.a125b5b1122655a6d7b7aa23774dbdf5@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/05/ltm.01.html
NAGIN: She said that she needed 24 hours to make a decision. It
would have been great if we could of left Air Force One, walked outside,
and told the world that we had this all worked out. It didn=3Ft happen,
and more people died.
More BS. Firstly, Nagin has long been a political opponent of Blanco, and
this kind of third-hand hearsay by Bush to Nagin about something Blanco
allegedly said is typically ridiculous. Blanco asked for aid 24 hours
before the disaster. Bush could have unilaterally moved soldiers into
New Orleans with federal authority alone. Bush failed to act. Now he is
making excuses, as he always does. Blanco only refused to surrender
100% control to the Bush administration and that was entirely
appropriate, because she should not have to surrender the ability to
govern the state in exchange for help.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Bush tells lies to Nagin to cover his own incompetence |
06 Sep 2005 08:07:59 PM |
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In episode <MPG.1d87580e4d2ac708989906@news.readfreenews.net>, quibbler
burst into the room and exclaimed:
Blanco asked for aid 24 hours
before the disaster.
48 hours before the disaster. 24 hours before we even knew the storm was
headed for us. On Friday, the track was through the Florida panhandle.
Blanco moved to get ahead of things, to get the authorizations and
requests in before we even knew we were going to get hit.
FEMA apparently was shopping for shoes...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "JTEM" |
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06 Sep 2005 11:58:10 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote
48 hours before the disaster. 24 hours before we even knew
the storm was headed for us. On Friday, the track was
through the Florida panhandle. Blanco moved to get ahead
of things, to get the authorizations and requests in before
we even knew we were going to get hit.
FEMA apparently was shopping for shoes...
But there's another storm behind this one. If you got the help
then what would there be for Florida?
Seriously here, count the Electoral Votes! I don't have to
explain to you how much more import taking care of Jeb...
errr.... "Florida" is then saving some black people.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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07 Sep 2005 12:24:11 AM |
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In episode <qaSdnUFEzsic7IPeRVn-og@comcast.com>, JTEM burst into the room
and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote
48 hours before the disaster. 24 hours before we even knew the storm was
headed for us. On Friday, the track was through the Florida panhandle.
Blanco moved to get ahead of things, to get the authorizations and
requests in before we even knew we were going to get hit.
FEMA apparently was shopping for shoes...
But there's another storm behind this one. If you got the help then what
would there be for Florida?
Seriously here, count the Electoral Votes! I don't have to explain to you
how much more import taking care of Jeb... errr.... "Florida" is then
saving some black people.
Remember folks, be sure to elect a member of the Bush family for your
governor!
It's a matter of life or death...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Syd M." |
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07 Sep 2005 08:36:33 AM |
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In episode <qaSdnUFEzsic7IPeRVn...@comcast.com>, JTEM >burst into the room
and exclaimed:
Mark K. Bilbo
Remember folks, be sure to elect a member of the Bush family for your
governor!
It's a matter of life or death...
And it's the only way to get anything out of the feds these days..
That doesn't involve jumping thru hoops, circus tricks, and red tape..
PDW
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Bush tells lies to Nagin to cover his own incompetence |
06 Sep 2005 09:34:55 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:CfydnUYoJNXwoIPeRVn-1g@megapath.net:
In episode <MPG.1d87580e4d2ac708989906@news.readfreenews.net>,
quibbler burst into the room and exclaimed:
Blanco asked for aid 24 hours
before the disaster.
48 hours before the disaster. 24 hours before we even knew the storm
was headed for us. On Friday, the track was through the Florida
panhandle. Blanco moved to get ahead of things, to get the
authorizations and requests in before we even knew we were going to
get hit.
FEMA apparently was shopping for shoes...
FEMA was ready to do whatever was asked of them.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’ - Howard Dean
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| User: "JTEM" |
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07 Sep 2005 12:01:01 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
FEMA was ready to do whatever was asked of them.
I didn't want to be the one to tell you, but apparently
events have proven this to not be the case.
Wait. I'm serious.
Events have proven -- past tense -- that Bush's reorganized
FEMA is not capable of responding to an emergency.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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07 Sep 2005 12:24:39 AM |
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In episode <ZJudnfvqDuM07IPeRVn-tA@comcast.com>, JTEM burst into the room
and exclaimed:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
FEMA was ready to do whatever was asked of them.
I didn't want to be the one to tell you, but apparently events have proven
this to not be the case.
Wait. I'm serious.
Events have proven -- past tense -- that Bush's reorganized FEMA is not
capable of responding to an emergency.
As President Brussard put it in the darkest part of this:
"No one's coming."
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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06 Sep 2005 11:45:55 PM |
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In episode <1126060496.dad7e981447b0fa8ff06dc08484fa6db@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:CfydnUYoJNXwoIPeRVn-1g@megapath.net:
In episode <MPG.1d87580e4d2ac708989906@news.readfreenews.net>, quibbler
burst into the room and exclaimed:
Blanco asked for aid 24 hours
before the disaster.
48 hours before the disaster. 24 hours before we even knew the storm was
headed for us. On Friday, the track was through the Florida panhandle.
Blanco moved to get ahead of things, to get the authorizations and
requests in before we even knew we were going to get hit.
FEMA apparently was shopping for shoes...
FEMA was ready to do whatever was asked of them.
And yet they didn't deliver so much as a bottle of water for three days.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "JTEM" |
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07 Sep 2005 12:40:31 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
FEMA was ready to do whatever was asked of them.
And yet they didn't deliver so much as a bottle of water
for three days.
They wouldn't even allow Wal-Mart to give away bottled
water at their own expense.
If "Meet The Press" does transcripts you should be able to
retrieve the complete source, but here's the short version:
http://crawfordpeace.nfshost.com/node/1889
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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07 Sep 2005 10:13:01 AM |
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In episode <p8CdnfUdfsR254PeRVn-sQ@comcast.com>, JTEM burst into the room
and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
FEMA was ready to do whatever was asked of them.
And yet they didn't deliver so much as a bottle of water for three days.
They wouldn't even allow Wal-Mart to give away bottled water at their own
expense.
Well, they forgot "Simon sez!"
If "Meet The Press" does transcripts you should be able to retrieve the
complete source, but here's the short version:
http://crawfordpeace.nfshost.com/node/1889
I find this more interesting actually:
"Yesterday--yesterday--FEMA comes in and cuts all of our emergency
communication lines. They cut them without notice."
What the hell was that about? Why would they not want our local officials
be able to talk to people?
And look here where the full transcript is:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9179790/
Just skimming, I found *this tidbit:
"SEC'Y CHERTOFF: No, Tim, I have to tell you, that's not what I said.
You have to listen to what I said. What I said was not that we didn't
anticipate that there's a possibility the levees will break. What I said
is in this storm, what happened is the storm passed and passed without the
levees breaking on Monday. Tuesday morning, I opened newspapers and saw
headlines that said 'New Orleans Dodged The Bullet,' which surprised
people. What surprised them was that the levee broke overnight and the
next day and, in fact, collapsed. That was a surprise."
So, the Secretary of Homeland Security has to have CNN and newspapers tell
him what the situation is in a disaster area.
Can you *imagine what an actual terrorist attack on a major city is going
to be like? This storm could be seen coming for *days. We evacuated 80%
(or more) of our population *before it hit. The levy issue has been
studied for *years. It was a known quantity. This scenario has been talked
about, studied, hashed through, publicized (they were going over it yet
again in the NO paper after Ivan)...
A *terrorist attack will be totally by surprise.
I wonder how long it'll take Secretary Jerkoff to notice?
Maybe after he's had his morning coffee...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "JTEM" |
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07 Sep 2005 01:47:37 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote
Can you *imagine what an actual terrorist attack on a major
city is going to be like?
Distaster magnification is an art form, and Bush is a master.
This storm could be seen coming for *days.
Are you sure? The Bush administration doesn't seem to think so.
We evacuated 80% (or more) of our population *before it hit.
Can you check on that? "Fred Stone" appears to be under the
impression that a half-hearted (at best) evacuation was attempted.
Even people who've never heard of the 80/20 rule, on the other
hand, would have to admit that evacuating 80% of a major U.S.
city (an international destination) is pretty damn good.
The levy issue has been studied for *years.
Yeah, but by evolution-totting loonies who think the Earth is
more than 6,000 years old.... what the hell do they know?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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07 Sep 2005 02:46:40 PM |
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In <tqSdnZ2dnZ1g9KiinZ2dnfiugt6dnZ2dRVn-zJ2dnZ0@comcast.com>, "JTEM"
<gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote
Can you *imagine what an actual terrorist attack on a major city is
going to be like?
Distaster magnification is an art form, and Bush is a master.
This storm could be seen coming for *days.
Are you sure? The Bush administration doesn't seem to think so.
How would they know? They were all on vacation.
We evacuated 80% (or more) of our population *before it hit.
Can you check on that? "Fred Stone" appears to be under the impression
that a half-hearted (at best) evacuation was attempted.
Duke Stone seems to think this is a URL war or something. Sitting on his
senile old *****, at a distance, clicking his mouse gives him knowledge
superior to those of us who lived through this.
I don't know there are any official numbers at this point. I do know the
estimates are one million out of about 1.3 million in the area. But that's
combining parishes. My parish had an estimated 65% compliance but we're
fairly far west. Eastern parishes were emptied almost totally except for
emergency crews etc.
Even people who've never heard of the 80/20 rule, on the other hand, would
have to admit that evacuating 80% of a major U.S. city (an international
destination) is pretty damn good.
It was a hell of a sight.
The levy issue has been studied for *years.
Yeah, but by evolution-totting loonies who think the Earth is more than
6,000 years old.... what the hell do they know?
Those evil bastards! They're trying to avoid the Wrath of Khan!
(Wait, that sounds wrong)
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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07 Sep 2005 06:25:33 AM |
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On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 01:40:31 -0400, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> in
news message <p8CdnfUdfsR254PeRVn-sQ@comcast.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
FEMA was ready to do whatever was asked of them.
And yet they didn't deliver so much as a bottle of water
for three days.
They wouldn't even allow Wal-Mart to give away bottled
water at their own expense.
If "Meet The Press" does transcripts you should be able to
retrieve the complete source, but here's the short version:
http://crawfordpeace.nfshost.com/node/1889
Here's the entire transcript:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9179790/
Überwench #658 Now a *real* atheist!
Dame Liz the Undaunted Ath.D BAAWA
Charter Member of SMASH
and Queen of the known universe
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07 Sep 2005 08:57:08 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:xd-dnavdSqwc7YPeRVn-vg@megapath.net:
In episode <1126060496.dad7e981447b0fa8ff06dc08484fa6db@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:CfydnUYoJNXwoIPeRVn-1g@megapath.net:
In episode <MPG.1d87580e4d2ac708989906@news.readfreenews.net>,
quibbler burst into the room and exclaimed:
Blanco asked for aid 24 hours
before the disaster.
48 hours before the disaster. 24 hours before we even knew the storm
was headed for us. On Friday, the track was through the Florida
panhandle. Blanco moved to get ahead of things, to get the
authorizations and requests in before we even knew we were going to
get hit.
FEMA apparently was shopping for shoes...
FEMA was ready to do whatever was asked of them.
And yet they didn't deliver so much as a bottle of water for three
days.
They weren't asked for a bottle of water for three days.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Bush tells lies to Nagin to cover his own incompetence |
07 Sep 2005 11:07:14 AM |
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In episode <1126101428.8b24b054bdde176f2a564fdcf7b80fb2@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:xd-dnavdSqwc7YPeRVn-vg@megapath.net:
In episode <1126060496.dad7e981447b0fa8ff06dc08484fa6db@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:CfydnUYoJNXwoIPeRVn-1g@megapath.net:
In episode <MPG.1d87580e4d2ac708989906@news.readfreenews.net>,
quibbler burst into the room and exclaimed:
Blanco asked for aid 24 hours
before the disaster.
48 hours before the disaster. 24 hours before we even knew the storm
was headed for us. On Friday, the track was through the Florida
panhandle. Blanco moved to get ahead of things, to get the
authorizations and requests in before we even knew we were going to
get hit.
FEMA apparently was shopping for shoes...
FEMA was ready to do whatever was asked of them.
And yet they didn't deliver so much as a bottle of water for three days.
They weren't asked for a bottle of water for three days.
"Pursuant to 44 CFR § 206.35, I have determined that this incident is of
such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the
capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that
supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect
property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a
disaster. I am specifically requesting emergency protective measures,
direct Federal Assistance, Individual and Household Program (IHP)
assistance, Special Needs Program assistance, and debris removal."
You. Lie.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Bush tells lies to Nagin to cover his own incompetence |
07 Sep 2005 12:43:23 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:iY6dncWVZoezjYLeRVn-2Q@megapath.net:
In episode <1126101428.8b24b054bdde176f2a564fdcf7b80fb2@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:xd-dnavdSqwc7YPeRVn-vg@megapath.net:
In episode <1126060496.dad7e981447b0fa8ff06dc08484fa6db@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:CfydnUYoJNXwoIPeRVn-1g@megapath.net:
In episode <MPG.1d87580e4d2ac708989906@news.readfreenews.net>,
quibbler burst into the room and exclaimed:
Blanco asked for aid 24 hours
before the disaster.
48 hours before the disaster. 24 hours before we even knew the
storm was headed for us. On Friday, the track was through the
Florida panhandle. Blanco moved to get ahead of things, to get the
authorizations and requests in before we even knew we were going
to get hit.
FEMA apparently was shopping for shoes...
FEMA was ready to do whatever was asked of them.
And yet they didn't deliver so much as a bottle of water for three
days.
They weren't asked for a bottle of water for three days.
"Pursuant to 44 CFR § 206.35, I have determined that this incident is
of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the
capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that
supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect
property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat
of a disaster. I am specifically requesting emergency protective
measures, direct Federal Assistance, Individual and Household Program
(IHP) assistance, Special Needs Program assistance, and debris
removal."
You. Lie.
No. I. Don't.
Be specific, Mark. Which of those items includes emergency supplies to
be delivered to a shelter within three days after they were occupied?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Bush tells lies to Nagin to cover his own incompetence |
07 Sep 2005 01:11:58 PM |
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In episode <1126115003.cd46eca112f5db5c5ed68357afdcb6db@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:iY6dncWVZoezjYLeRVn-2Q@megapath.net:
In episode <1126101428.8b24b054bdde176f2a564fdcf7b80fb2@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:xd-dnavdSqwc7YPeRVn-vg@megapath.net:
In episode <1126060496.dad7e981447b0fa8ff06dc08484fa6db@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:CfydnUYoJNXwoIPeRVn-1g@megapath.net:
In episode <MPG.1d87580e4d2ac708989906@news.readfreenews.net>,
quibbler burst into the room and exclaimed:
Blanco asked for aid 24 hours
before the disaster.
48 hours before the disaster. 24 hours before we even knew the storm
was headed for us. On Friday, the track was through the Florida
panhandle. Blanco moved to get ahead of things, to get the
authorizations and requests in before we even knew we were going to
get hit.
FEMA apparently was shopping for shoes...
FEMA was ready to do whatever was asked of them.
And yet they didn't deliver so much as a bottle of water for three
days.
They weren't asked for a bottle of water for three days.
"Pursuant to 44 CFR § 206.35, I have determined that this incident is
of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the
capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that
supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect
property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of
a disaster. I am specifically requesting emergency protective measures,
direct Federal Assistance, Individual and Household Program (IHP)
assistance, Special Needs Program assistance, and debris removal."
You. Lie.
No. I. Don't.
Be specific, Mark. Which of those items includes emergency supplies to be
delivered to a shelter within three days after they were occupied?
Stone, I'm done with you.
I'm sure you'll take that as some kind of "admission of defeat." You're
just that much of a senile old fool. But I have sane people to tell our
story to.
And there are thousands just like me who are just busy right now
scrambling to survive that will be telling our story.
I'm an eye witness to these events. You read websites. And you read them
wrong.
I'm laughing at you.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Bush tells lies to Nagin to cover his own incompetence |
07 Sep 2005 05:46:22 PM |
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On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 23:45:55 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster>
wrote:
FEMA was ready to do whatever was asked of them.
And yet they didn't deliver so much as a bottle of water for three days.
Governor Blanco was asleep at the wheel. FEMA can't move in with State
authorization.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: Bush tells lies to Nagin to cover his own incompetence |
07 Sep 2005 06:14:40 AM |
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TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:CfydnUYoJNXwoIPeRVn-1g@megapath.net:
In episode <MPG.1d87580e4d2ac708989906@news.readfreenews.net>,
quibbler burst into the room and exclaimed:
Blanco asked for aid 24 hours
before the disaster.
48 hours before the disaster. 24 hours before we even knew the storm
was headed for us. On Friday, the track was through the Florida
panhandle. Blanco moved to get ahead of things, to get the
authorizations and requests in before we even knew we were going to
get hit.
FEMA apparently was shopping for shoes...
FEMA was ready to do whatever was asked of them.
And your Lord and Savior Jesus W. Bush failed to ask them until it was too
late.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Bush tells lies to Nagin to cover his own incompetence |
07 Sep 2005 09:40:10 AM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:WYmdnVfliPAGVoPeRVn-sA@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:CfydnUYoJNXwoIPeRVn-1g@megapath.net:
In episode <MPG.1d87580e4d2ac708989906@news.readfreenews.net>,
quibbler burst into the room and exclaimed:
Blanco asked for aid 24 hours
before the disaster.
48 hours before the disaster. 24 hours before we even knew the storm
was headed for us. On Friday, the track was through the Florida
panhandle. Blanco moved to get ahead of things, to get the
authorizations and requests in before we even knew we were going to
get hit.
FEMA apparently was shopping for shoes...
FEMA was ready to do whatever was asked of them.
And your Lord and Savior Jesus W. Bush failed to ask them until it was
too late.
That was Governor Blanco's job. You know what she asked for in that
initial request? Mostly help with the cleanup operations.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Bush tells lies to Nagin to cover his own incompetence |
07 Sep 2005 11:07:00 AM |
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In episode <1126104019.3a68632e60f1a080162cbb1fdbab0984@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:WYmdnVfliPAGVoPeRVn-sA@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:CfydnUYoJNXwoIPeRVn-1g@megapath.net:
In episode <MPG.1d87580e4d2ac708989906@news.readfreenews.net>,
quibbler burst into the room and exclaimed:
Blanco asked for aid 24 hours
before the disaster.
48 hours before the disaster. 24 hours before we even knew the storm
was headed for us. On Friday, the track was through the Florida
panhandle. Blanco moved to get ahead of things, to get the
authorizations and requests in before we even knew we were going to
get hit.
FEMA apparently was shopping for shoes...
FEMA was ready to do whatever was asked of them.
And your Lord and Savior Jesus W. Bush failed to ask them until it was
too late.
That was Governor Blanco's job. You know what she asked for in that
initial request? Mostly help with the cleanup operations.
"Pursuant to 44 CFR § 206.35, I have determined that this incident is of
such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the
capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that
supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect
property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a
disaster. I am specifically requesting emergency protective measures,
direct Federal Assistance, Individual and Household Program (IHP)
assistance, Special Needs Program assistance, and debris removal."
AND debris removal.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Bush tells lies to Nagin to cover his own incompetence |
07 Sep 2005 10:03:23 AM |
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In episode <WYmdnVfliPAGVoPeRVn-sA@centurytel.net>, towelie burst into the
room and exclaimed:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:CfydnUYoJNXwoIPeRVn-1g@megapath.net:
In episode <MPG.1d87580e4d2ac708989906@news.readfreenews.net>, quibbler
burst into the room and exclaimed:
Blanco asked for aid 24 hours
before the disaster.
48 hours before the disaster. 24 hours before we even knew the storm
was headed for us. On Friday, the track was through the Florida
panhandle. Blanco moved to get ahead of things, to get the
authorizations and requests in before we even knew we were going to get
hit.
FEMA apparently was shopping for shoes...
FEMA was ready to do whatever was asked of them.
And your Lord and Savior Jesus W. Bush failed to ask them until it was too
late.
He's a lot like Jesus, always coming but never arriving...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Bush tells lies to Nagin to cover his own incompetence |
06 Sep 2005 05:31:53 PM |
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On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:39:29 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
Blanco asked for aid 24 hours
before the disaster. Bush could have unilaterally moved soldiers into
New Orleans with federal authority alone.
Nope, I believe he needed state authorization.
Bush failed to act.
Are you crazy. You don't move the innocent into the path of the storm until
after it passes.
Now he is
making excuses, as he always does. Blanco only refused to surrender
100% control to the Bush administration and that was entirely
appropriate, because she should not have to surrender the ability to
govern the state in exchange for help.
The law is the law.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Bush tells lies to Nagin to cover his own incompetence |
06 Sep 2005 05:39:41 PM |
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In article <h36sh1ld45057ka22hfqokofdtphgfjcd7@4ax.com> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:39:29 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
Blanco asked for aid 24 hours
before the disaster. Bush could have unilaterally moved soldiers into
New Orleans with federal authority alone.
Nope, I believe he needed state authorization.
Bush failed to act.
Are you crazy. You don't move the innocent into the path of the storm until
after it passes.
Absolutely right, and for the very same reason that you don't send
in the firemen until the flames have safely gone out, or call
the cops while the robbers are still in the convenience mart.
-- cary
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Bush tells lies to Nagin to cover his own incompetence |
06 Sep 2005 07:11:37 PM |
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(Cary Kittrell) wrote in
news:dfl5rd$c8k$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
In article <h36sh1ld45057ka22hfqokofdtphgfjcd7@4ax.com> duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:39:29 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Blanco asked for aid 24 hours
before the disaster. Bush could have unilaterally moved soldiers
into New Orleans with federal authority alone.
Nope, I believe he needed state authorization.
Bush failed to act.
Are you crazy. You don't move the innocent into the path of the
storm until after it passes.
Absolutely right, and for the very same reason that you don't send
in the firemen until the flames have safely gone out, or call
the cops while the robbers are still in the convenience mart.
False analogy.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Bush tells lies to Nagin to cover his own incompetence |
07 Sep 2005 09:51:20 AM |
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In article <1126051897.756f515f1f23bcb76507c0cbec103fa1@teranews> Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> writes:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote in
news:dfl5rd$c8k$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
In article <h36sh1ld45057ka22hfqokofdtphgfjcd7@4ax.com> duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:39:29 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Blanco asked for aid 24 hours
before the disaster. Bush could have unilaterally moved soldiers
into New Orleans with federal authority alone.
Nope, I believe he needed state authorization.
Bush failed to act.
Are you crazy. You don't move the innocent into the path of the
storm until after it passes.
Absolutely right, and for the very same reason that you don't send
in the firemen until the flames have safely gone out, or call
the cops while the robbers are still in the convenience mart.
False analogy.
More like a device to illustrate that Duke just now said
something incredibly stupid, even by the standards of
what we have come to expect from him.
-- cary
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: Bush tells lies to Nagin to cover his own incompetence |
07 Sep 2005 06:13:44 AM |
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TV's Fred Stone wrote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote in
news:dfl5rd$c8k$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
In article <h36sh1ld45057ka22hfqokofdtphgfjcd7@4ax.com> duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:39:29 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Blanco asked for aid 24 hours
before the disaster. Bush could have unilaterally moved soldiers
into New Orleans with federal authority alone.
Nope, I believe he needed state authorization.
Bush failed to act.
Are you crazy. You don't move the innocent into the path of the
storm until after it passes.
Absolutely right, and for the very same reason that you don't send
in the firemen until the flames have safely gone out, or call
the cops while the robbers are still in the convenience mart.
False analogy.
I'll give you that, but they should have been ready and waiting (at
somewhere like Shreveport or Houston) to be deployed as soon as the winds
subsided enough to where it was safe to go in.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Bush tells lies to Nagin to cover his own incompetence |
07 Sep 2005 09:38:27 AM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:YuKdnTpBkM__VoPeRVn-3A@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote in
news:dfl5rd$c8k$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
In article <h36sh1ld45057ka22hfqokofdtphgfjcd7@4ax.com> duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:39:29 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Blanco asked for aid 24 hours
before the disaster. Bush could have unilaterally moved soldiers
into New Orleans with federal authority alone.
Nope, I believe he needed state authorization.
Bush failed to act.
Are you crazy. You don't move the innocent into the path of the
storm until after it passes.
Absolutely right, and for the very same reason that you don't send
in the firemen until the flames have safely gone out, or call
the cops while the robbers are still in the convenience mart.
False analogy.
I'll give you that, but they should have been ready and waiting (at
somewhere like Shreveport or Houston) to be deployed as soon as the
winds subsided enough to where it was safe to go in.
According to the National Guard, they were doing exactly that. And then
they had to send those people into substantial parts of three states,
not just New Orleans.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: Bush tells lies to Nagin to cover his own incompetence |
07 Sep 2005 07:15:28 PM |
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TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:YuKdnTpBkM__VoPeRVn-3A@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote in
news:dfl5rd$c8k$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
In article <h36sh1ld45057ka22hfqokofdtphgfjcd7@4ax.com> duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:39:29 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Blanco asked for aid 24 hours
before the disaster. Bush could have unilaterally moved soldiers
into New Orleans with federal authority alone.
Nope, I believe he needed state authorization.
Bush failed to act.
Are you crazy. You don't move the innocent into the path of the
storm until after it passes.
Absolutely right, and for the very same reason that you don't send
in the firemen until the flames have safely gone out, or call
the cops while the robbers are still in the convenience mart.
False analogy.
I'll give you that, but they should have been ready and waiting (at
somewhere like Shreveport or Houston) to be deployed as soon as the
winds subsided enough to where it was safe to go in.
According to the National Guard, they were doing exactly that. And then
they had to send those people into substantial parts of three states,
not just New Orleans.
Then why did it take several days for them to arrive?
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