Rumplestiltskin wrote:

When I moved here from Canukistan I marvelled.

You're Canadian. ha ha.

You're incorrectly assuming that ALL people who have lived in
Canukistan are Canukistani's. Keep probing....maybe someday you'll
figger it out.

You're South African.

That would explain so many things.

I can't remember how
many times I said to myself....<Astonished>These people put somebody
on the moon???????????</Astonished>

nobody has landed on the Moon.

I know....and the holocaust never happened either.

it didn't, but that is besides the point and a whole nother issue.

people have tried to convince me that the technology of the late 60s
was actually up to the task of getting people onto the Moon and back.

not a hope in hell.

people have tried to convince me that the technology of the late 60s
was actually up to the task of getting people onto the Moon and back.

not a hope in hell.

today, NASA has a plan to get people onto the Moon in 2020. 14 years
time. and only on a cursory visit. 2024 is targeted as the date to
establish a permanent Moon base. NASA is also appealing for help from
other nations to achieve this feat.

In 1962 JFK made a famous speech which contained this quote:

"We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this
decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because
they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the
best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we
are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which
we intend to win, and the others, too."

http://www1.jsc.nasa.gov/er/seh/ricetalk.htm

and apparently this objective was achieved in 1969, a mere 7 year gap.

So ask yourself, how was it possible that NASA was able to land men on
the Moon within 7 years back in the 60s, without any outside help using
very primitive (computer and other) technology, but today, with so much
more experience of space, vastly superior technology and even with
outside help, feels they need 14 years to achieve it?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - if the United States did
indeed land men on the Moon in 1969, then you have exactly 12 months to
get yourselves back on that orbiting rock, or please admit that it
never happened ever - that it was, in fact, the greatest hoax ever
perpetrated on mankind.

Btw, you don't need to design new spacecraft from scratch. Just
reproduce the Apollo mission spacecraft and build another Saturn V
rocket. If you can build them anew with some improvements, by all means
do it, but if not, just rebuild them exactly as they were built in
1969.

You, I assume, won't have any problems with that, because, of course,
those were the vehicles that carried your people to the Moon and back
in the period 1969 - 1972, so we shouldn't anticipate any problems, now
should we?

So, the Moon landings never took place. They are a myth.

One day when people do finally make it onto the Moon, they will look
for the wreckage of those Apollo Moon missions and not find them. NASA
will no doubt have an explanation for that. Probably buried under space
dust or perhaps you didn't look in the right place?

The Moon, btw, in preparation for the future 2020 landings has to be
remapped in detail to secure safe and suitable landing sites. That
mapping was not done in sufficient detail for the Apollo missions.

The mapping satellites in orbit around the Moon have not picked up a
shred of the Apollo mission vehicles apparently left behind on the
Moon.

today, NASA, struggles to put astronauts into space. Russia does so
routinely.

It's not a question of money - NASA has more available funds than the
Russian Federation Space program, which is so hard up for cash, it has
to sell tickets into space for $20 million a pop to rich assholes.

The bottom line is that Russian space technology is superior to
American space technology. The ISS (International Space Station) is
modelled on Russian technology (The Mir space station which Russia
de-orbitted in 2001 due to lack of funds). America's space station,
Skylab, crashed into Australia in the late 70s.

The Russian Soyuz capsule is vastly, and I mean vastly vastly vastly,
superior to the Space Shuttle. It works. And it works at a fraction of
the cost. And it's re-useable too, but they only reuse it 5 times
before discarding.

The Chinese Space Program uses the Soyuz as the model for their
Shenzhou capsule:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/534960.stm

Lastly, one must consider why the Soviet Union did not continue its
program to land cosmonauts on the Moon after the Americans had done so.
Where is the shame in coming second?

The Russians realised that they could not do it, at all. And they had
been ahead of you in the space race, all along. They had a spacecraft
go round the Moon before America did.

Lastly we must consider the integrity, or rather, the lack thereof of
Americans. Americans are deceptive, tricky, conniving little liars who
will do anything it takes to win (or appear to win).

Americans cannot be trusted. They lie routinely.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - if the United States did
indeed land men on the Moon in 1969, then you have exactly 12 months to
get yourselves back on that orbiting rock, or please admit that it
never happened ever - that it was, in fact, the greatest hoax ever
perpetrated on mankind.

Rumplestiltskin wrote:

When I moved here from Canukistan I marvelled.

You're Canadian. ha ha.

You're incorrectly assuming that ALL people who have lived in
Canukistan are Canukistani's. Keep probing....maybe someday you'll
figger it out.

You're South African.

That would explain so many things.

I can't remember how
many times I said to myself....<Astonished>These people put somebody
on the moon???????????</Astonished>

nobody has landed on the Moon.

I know....and the holocaust never happened either.

it didn't, but that is besides the point and a whole nother issue.

people have tried to convince me that the technology of the late 60s
was actually up to the task of getting people onto the Moon and back.

not a hope in hell.

today, NASA has a plan to get people onto the Moon in 2020. 14 years
time. and only on a cursory visit. 2024 is targeted as the date to
establish a permanent Moon base. NASA is also appealing for help from
other nations to achieve this feat.

In 1962 JFK made a famous speech which contained this quote:

"We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this
decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because
they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the
best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we
are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which
we intend to win, and the others, too."

http://www1.jsc.nasa.gov/er/seh/ricetalk.htm

and apparently this objective was achieved in 1969, a mere 7 year gap.

So ask yourself, how was it possible that NASA was able to land men on
the Moon within 7 years back in the 60s, without any outside help using
very primitive (computer and other) technology, but today, with so much
more experience of space, vastly superior technology and even with
outside help, feels they need 14 years to achieve it?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - if the United States did
indeed land men on the Moon in 1969, then you have exactly 12 months to
get yourselves back on that orbiting rock, or please admit that it
never happened ever - that it was, in fact, the greatest hoax ever
perpetrated on mankind.

You have 12 months, not 14 years.

Btw, you don't need to design new spacecraft from scratch. Just
reproduce the Apollo mission spacecraft and build another Saturn V
rocket. If you can build them anew with some improvements, by all means
do it, but if not, just rebuild them exactly as they were built in
1969.

You, I assume, won't have any problems with that, because, of course,
those were the vehicles that carried your people to the Moon and back
in the period 1969 - 1972, so we shouldn't anticipate any problems, now
should we?

But, look, we all know that that is not going to happen even if Hell
were to freeze over.

So, the Moon landings never took place. They are a myth.

One day when people do finally make it onto the Moon, they will look
for the wreckage of those Apollo Moon missions and not find them. NASA
will no doubt have an explanation for that. Probably buried under space
dust or perhaps you didn't look in the right place?

The Moon, btw, in preparation for the future 2020 landings has to be
remapped in detail to secure safe and suitable landing sites. That
mapping was not done in sufficient detail for the Apollo missions.

The mapping satellites in orbit around the Moon have not picked up a
shred of the Apollo mission vehicles apparently left behind on the
Moon.

today, NASA, struggles to put astronauts into space. Russia does so
routinely.

It's not a question of money - NASA has more available funds than the
Russian Federation Space program, which is so hard up for cash, it has
to sell tickets into space for $20 million a pop to rich assholes.

The bottom line is that Russian space technology is superior to
American space technology. The ISS (International Space Station) is
modelled on Russian technology (The Mir space station which Russia
de-orbitted in 2001 due to lack of funds). America's space station,
Skylab, crashed into Australia in the late 70s.

The Russian Soyuz capsule is vastly, and I mean vastly vastly vastly,
superior to the Space Shuttle. It works. And it works at a fraction of
the cost. And it's re-useable too, but they only reuse it 5 times
before discarding.

The Chinese Space Program uses the Soyuz as the model for their
Shenzhou capsule:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/534960.stm

Lastly, one must consider why the Soviet Union did not continue its
program to land cosmonauts on the Moon after the Americans had done so.
Where is the shame in coming second?

The Russians realised that they could not do it, at all. And they had
been ahead of you in the space race, all along. They had a spacecraft
go round the Moon before America did.

Lastly we must consider the integrity, or rather, the lack thereof of
Americans. Americans are deceptive, tricky, conniving little liars who
will do anything it takes to win (or appear to win).

Americans cannot be trusted. They lie routinely.