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"Jon." |
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30 May 2005 03:48:11 PM |
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National Anthems |
This thread is for people in Canada, the UK and other countries where
the lyrics to the national anthem include reference to God.
How do you deal with the theistic reference when singing your national
anthem?
I am a proud Canadian, and I always sing along (badly) with "O Canada"
at sporting events etc. However, when it comes to the line "God keep
our land glorious and free", I always sing "Let's keep our land
glorious and free."
I'm curious to know what others do.
Jon.
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| User: "Santolina chamaecyparissus" |
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30 May 2005 07:52:22 PM |
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"Jon." <jd_waller@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1117486091.546844.216430@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
This thread is for people in Canada, the UK and other countries where
the lyrics to the national anthem include reference to God.
How do you deal with the theistic reference when singing your national
anthem?
The same way I deal with the rest of the atrocious song, by patiently
waiting for it to end (I'm including the U.S. on your list).
I am a proud Canadian, and I always sing along (badly) with "O Canada"
at sporting events etc. However, when it comes to the line "God keep
our land glorious and free", I always sing "Let's keep our land
glorious and free."
Why don't you do something by Neil Young. Several of his songs have
explicitly Canadian content, they are by orders of magnitude more musically
interesting than "O Canada", and the people sitting next to you would
probably think you were cool.
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| User: "Katt" |
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30 May 2005 08:00:49 PM |
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I am a proud Canadian, and I always sing along (badly) with "O Canada"
at sporting events etc. However, when it comes to the line "God keep
our land glorious and free", I always sing "Let's keep our land
glorious and free."
Is there space, musically speaking, to make it:
"Let's keep our land glorious and free - and move it a bit further to the
north-east while we're at it..."??
Katt.
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| User: "wcb" |
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31 May 2005 02:02:39 AM |
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Santolina chamaecyparissus wrote:
"Jon." <jd_waller@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1117486091.546844.216430@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
This thread is for people in Canada, the UK and other countries where
the lyrics to the national anthem include reference to God.
How do you deal with the theistic reference when singing your national
anthem?
The same way I deal with the rest of the atrocious song, by patiently
waiting for it to end (I'm including the U.S. on your list).
I am a proud Canadian, and I always sing along (badly) with "O Canada"
at sporting events etc. However, when it comes to the line "God keep
our land glorious and free", I always sing "Let's keep our land
glorious and free."
Why don't you do something by Neil Young. Several of his songs have
explicitly Canadian content, they are by orders of magnitude more
musically interesting than "O Canada", and the people sitting next to you
would probably think you were cool.
I vote for "Poutine, Beaver and Beer".
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30 May 2005 09:17:23 PM |
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Santolina chamaecyparissus wrote:
"Jon." <jd_waller@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1117486091.546844.216430@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
This thread is for people in Canada, the UK and other countries where
the lyrics to the national anthem include reference to God.
How do you deal with the theistic reference when singing your national
anthem?
The same way I deal with the rest of the atrocious song, by patiently
waiting for it to end (I'm including the U.S. on your list).
The "Star Strangled Spammer" has got to be the most unsingable
anthem in the world. Jumping octaves in consecutive notes?
Most people can't range five notes in four bars.
You should have watched the Six Nations Rugby tournament this
spring. Seeing the French and Italians singing their songs
with such enthusiasm was fun.
I am a proud Canadian, and I always sing along (badly) with "O Canada"
at sporting events etc. However, when it comes to the line "God keep
our land glorious and free", I always sing "Let's keep our land
glorious and free."
Why don't you do something by Neil Young. Several of his songs have
explicitly Canadian content, they are by orders of magnitude more musically
interesting than "O Canada", and the people sitting next to you would
probably think you were cool.
Are you joking? At least Joni Mitchell would write something
singable. Hell, I'd rather a Stompin' Tom Connors song be the
national anthem than anything Young does or has done.
"Oh, the good ol' hockey game, is the...."
Bob Dog
Atheist #153 = 1^3 + 5^3 + 3^3
EAC's chief cook and brainwasher
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"You won't find any opposition to the idea of evolution among
sophisticated, educated theologians. It comes from an
exceedingly retarded, primitive version of religion, which
unfortunately is at present undergoing an epidemic in the
United States."
- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Santolina chamaecyparissus" |
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30 May 2005 09:54:10 PM |
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<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
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Santolina chamaecyparissus wrote:
"Jon." <jd_waller@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1117486091.546844.216430@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
This thread is for people in Canada, the UK and other countries where
the lyrics to the national anthem include reference to God.
How do you deal with the theistic reference when singing your national
anthem?
The same way I deal with the rest of the atrocious song, by patiently
waiting for it to end (I'm including the U.S. on your list).
The "Star Strangled Spammer" has got to be the most unsingable
anthem in the world.
I'm also thinking of the unofficial national anthems, "God Bless America"
and "America the Beautiful".
Jumping octaves in consecutive notes?
Most people can't range five notes in four bars.
Most Americans can't remember the lyrics or make any goddamed sense out of
them if they do, yet will defend to the death their own right to hurl beer
cups at Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf if he doesn't stand up for it.
You should have watched the Six Nations Rugby tournament this
spring. Seeing the French and Italians singing their songs
with such enthusiasm was fun.
I am a proud Canadian, and I always sing along (badly) with "O Canada"
at sporting events etc. However, when it comes to the line "God keep
our land glorious and free", I always sing "Let's keep our land
glorious and free."
Why don't you do something by Neil Young. Several of his songs have
explicitly Canadian content, they are by orders of magnitude more
musically
interesting than "O Canada", and the people sitting next to you would
probably think you were cool.
Are you joking? At least Joni Mitchell would write something
singable.
Are YOU joking? Joni Mitchell's great, but her stuff is more singable than
songs by someone who can't sing, hence only have three or four notes?
Hell, I'd rather a Stompin' Tom Connors song be the
national anthem than anything Young does or has done.
"Oh, the good ol' hockey game, is the...."
I'd rather there was no such thing as national anthems, but I digress.
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| User: "" |
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31 May 2005 01:48:20 AM |
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Santolina chamaecyparissus wrote:
<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
news:1117505843.070660.151080@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Santolina chamaecyparissus wrote:
The "Star Strangled Spammer" has got to be the most unsingable
anthem in the world.
I'm also thinking of the unofficial national anthems, "God Bless America"
and "America the Beautiful".
Whatever happened to "This Land Is My Land?" At least it was
politically humble, only boasting about the rocks and trees.
An interesting situation arose in Korea last year. There was
a soccer "friendly" in Seoul between the North and South, but
one of the anti-communist laws in SK says you can't play the
NK national anthem; a political comedy show was raked over the
coals for playing about 5 seconds of it as part of a skit.
The North wouldn't allow only the South's anthem to be played,
so they found a compromise: a Korean traditional folk song
called "Arirang" which is at least 500 years old. (I don't
know the full details of it's origin.)
Jumping octaves in consecutive notes?
Most people can't range five notes in four bars.
Most Americans can't remember the lyrics or make any goddamed sense out of
them if they do, yet will defend to the death their own right to hurl beer
cups at Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf if he doesn't stand up for it.
I can't speak for the laws south of the border (maybe because
they're unspeakable O_-) but I found this bit on a Canadian
government web site:
Etiquette during the playing of the national anthem
As a matter of respect and tradition, it is proper to
stand for the playing of "O Canada" as well as for the
anthem of any other nation.
It is traditional for civilian men to take off their hats
during the playing of the national anthem. Women as well
as children do not remove their hats on such occasions.
There is no law or behaviour governing the playing of the
national anthem; it is left to the good citizenship of
individuals.
http://www.pch.gc.ca/progs/cpsc-ccsp/sc-cs/anthem_e.cfm
Etiquette is for table manners, and tradition is when the old
corrupt the young to please the dead. Forget that nonsense.
I have to wonder why so many Canadians become rabid at anyone
who doesn't stand. I've been assaulted over it; touching
people without permission, even if it's a slight shove on the
shoulder, _is_ assault, and that _is_ a law in Canada.
If you're not free NOT to stand, it's not a free country. This
is no different than flag burning as free speech.
Why don't you do something by Neil Young.
<snip of extraneous bits>
Are you joking? At least Joni Mitchell would write something
singable.
Are YOU joking? Joni Mitchell's great, but her stuff is more singable than
songs by someone who can't sing, hence only have three or four notes?
I'd rather hear something thoughtful, gentle, and genteel; her
songs would suit Canada better than Young's.
Hell, I'd rather a Stompin' Tom Connors song be the
national anthem than anything Young does or has done.
"Oh, the good ol' hockey game, is the...."
I'd rather there was no such thing as national anthems, but I digress.
I don't know where you live, but an attempt in Washington
state to change their state anthem nearly succeeded. A now
canceled TV show in Seattle, "Almost Live", started a grass
roots campaign to change the song to "Louie Louie". They had
Paul Revere and the Raiders join in, and they eventually got
it on the ballot. They lost, but they got a lot of votes.
In a similar vein, when the Northwest Territories was split
into two parts and name was needed for the new region, there
were "official" choices, and a spot for write-ins. "Nunavut"
was the winner, but the write-in name "Bob" finished a close
second.
Back to "O Canada" and the god crap, am I imagining it, or
wasn't there a push to revise it with secular lyrics? IIRC:
O Canada, glorious and free
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
It's reminiscent of "and miles to go before I sleep".
Bob Dog
Atheist #153 = 1^3 + 5^3 + 3^3
EAC's chief cook and brainwasher
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"You won't find any opposition to the idea of evolution among
sophisticated, educated theologians. It comes from an
exceedingly retarded, primitive version of religion, which
unfortunately is at present undergoing an epidemic in the
United States."
- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Katt" |
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31 May 2005 06:41:34 AM |
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Whatever happened to "This Land Is My Land?" At least it was
politically humble, only boasting about the rocks and trees.
How does that go, again...? I can only remember the first few lines.
Something like:
"This land is your land;
But we took it off you.
And then we got another bunch of people
To work on it for free..."
Katt.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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30 May 2005 10:49:14 PM |
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<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
news:1117505843.070660.151080@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Santolina chamaecyparissus wrote:
"Jon." <jd_waller@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1117486091.546844.216430@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
This thread is for people in Canada, the UK and other countries where
the lyrics to the national anthem include reference to God.
How do you deal with the theistic reference when singing your national
anthem?
The same way I deal with the rest of the atrocious song, by patiently
waiting for it to end (I'm including the U.S. on your list).
The "Star Strangled Spammer" has got to be the most unsingable
anthem in the world. Jumping octaves in consecutive notes?
Most people can't range five notes in four bars.
You should have watched the Six Nations Rugby tournament this
spring. Seeing the French and Italians singing their songs
with such enthusiasm was fun.
I am a proud Canadian, and I always sing along (badly) with "O Canada"
at sporting events etc. However, when it comes to the line "God keep
our land glorious and free", I always sing "Let's keep our land
glorious and free."
Why don't you do something by Neil Young. Several of his songs have
explicitly Canadian content, they are by orders of magnitude more
musically
interesting than "O Canada", and the people sitting next to you would
probably think you were cool.
Are you joking? At least Joni Mitchell would write something
singable. Hell, I'd rather a Stompin' Tom Connors song be the
national anthem than anything Young does or has done.
"Oh, the good ol' hockey game, is the...."
Now THAT should be our anthem.
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| User: "Jon." |
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31 May 2005 11:44:42 AM |
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Neil Kelsey wrote:
<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
news:1117505843.070660.151080@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Santolina chamaecyparissus wrote:
"Jon." <jd_waller@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1117486091.546844.216430@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
This thread is for people in Canada, the UK and other countries where
the lyrics to the national anthem include reference to God.
How do you deal with the theistic reference when singing your national
anthem?
The same way I deal with the rest of the atrocious song, by patiently
waiting for it to end (I'm including the U.S. on your list).
The "Star Strangled Spammer" has got to be the most unsingable
anthem in the world. Jumping octaves in consecutive notes?
Most people can't range five notes in four bars.
You should have watched the Six Nations Rugby tournament this
spring. Seeing the French and Italians singing their songs
with such enthusiasm was fun.
I am a proud Canadian, and I always sing along (badly) with "O Canada"
at sporting events etc. However, when it comes to the line "God keep
our land glorious and free", I always sing "Let's keep our land
glorious and free."
Why don't you do something by Neil Young. Several of his songs have
explicitly Canadian content, they are by orders of magnitude more
musically
interesting than "O Canada", and the people sitting next to you would
probably think you were cool.
Are you joking? At least Joni Mitchell would write something
singable. Hell, I'd rather a Stompin' Tom Connors song be the
national anthem than anything Young does or has done.
"Oh, the good ol' hockey game, is the...."
Now THAT should be our anthem.
Or else come up with some good lyrics to the Hockey Night In Canada
theme song.
Jon.
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| User: "wcb" |
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31 May 2005 02:04:29 AM |
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wrote:
Santolina chamaecyparissus wrote:
"Jon." <jd_waller@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1117486091.546844.216430@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
This thread is for people in Canada, the UK and other countries where
the lyrics to the national anthem include reference to God.
How do you deal with the theistic reference when singing your national
anthem?
The same way I deal with the rest of the atrocious song, by patiently
waiting for it to end (I'm including the U.S. on your list).
The "Star Strangled Spammer" has got to be the most unsingable
anthem in the world. Jumping octaves in consecutive notes?
Most people can't range five notes in four bars.
The tune was an old English drinking song "Hymn to Anachreon".
One probably cannot sing this right unless you are drunk.
You should have watched the Six Nations Rugby tournament this
spring. Seeing the French and Italians singing their songs
with such enthusiasm was fun.
I am a proud Canadian, and I always sing along (badly) with "O Canada"
at sporting events etc. However, when it comes to the line "God keep
our land glorious and free", I always sing "Let's keep our land
glorious and free."
Why don't you do something by Neil Young. Several of his songs have
explicitly Canadian content, they are by orders of magnitude more
musically interesting than "O Canada", and the people sitting next to you
would probably think you were cool.
Are you joking? At least Joni Mitchell would write something
singable. Hell, I'd rather a Stompin' Tom Connors song be the
national anthem than anything Young does or has done.
"Oh, the good ol' hockey game, is the...."
Bob Dog
Atheist #153 = 1^3 + 5^3 + 3^3
EAC's chief cook and brainwasher
-----
"You won't find any opposition to the idea of evolution among
sophisticated, educated theologians. It comes from an
exceedingly retarded, primitive version of religion, which
unfortunately is at present undergoing an epidemic in the
United States."
- Richard Dawkins
--
When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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30 May 2005 11:38:17 PM |
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In article <1117505843.070660.151080@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote:
The "Star Strangled Spammer" has got to be the most unsingable
anthem in the world. Jumping octaves in consecutive notes?
Most people can't range five notes in four bars.
By the 4th bar, most people are too drunk to sing. (I read somewhere
(real authoritative reference, eh?) that the tune for the Star
Spangled Banner came from an old English drinking song...)
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David Canzi
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| User: "wcb" |
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31 May 2005 02:09:52 AM |
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David Canzi -- non-mailable wrote:
In article <1117505843.070660.151080@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote:
The "Star Strangled Spammer" has got to be the most unsingable
anthem in the world. Jumping octaves in consecutive notes?
Most people can't range five notes in four bars.
By the 4th bar, most people are too drunk to sing. (I read somewhere
(real authoritative reference, eh?) that the tune for the Star
Spangled Banner came from an old English drinking song...)
Hymn to Anacreon
http://www.colonialmusic.org/Resource/Anacreon.htm
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When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Katt" |
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30 May 2005 04:07:05 PM |
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"Jon." <jd_waller@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1117486091.546844.216430@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
This thread is for people in Canada, the UK and other countries where
the lyrics to the national anthem include reference to God.
How do you deal with the theistic reference when singing your national
anthem?
I once knew a freethinking chap who was a bit of a fan of the '18-hole
religion': he used to replace the word 'God' by 'Golf'. As for me, I refuse
nowadays to sing 'my' national anthem at all - for one thing, because I
frown on what it symbolises, and for another because it's such a frightfully
stupid tune - but when, years ago, I used to have to 'be seen' singing along
I used to just sing 'Blob' -- viz:
Blob save our gracious Queen!
Long live our noble Queen!
Blob save the Queen!
Send her victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us,
Blob save the Queen.
etc. etc.
http://www.scoutingresources.org.uk/countries_anthems.html
Katt.
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| User: "Richo" |
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30 May 2005 07:11:57 PM |
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Katt wrote:
"Jon." <jd_waller@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1117486091.546844.216430@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
This thread is for people in Canada, the UK and other countries where
the lyrics to the national anthem include reference to God.
How do you deal with the theistic reference when singing your national
anthem?
<snip>
Blob save our gracious Queen!
Long live our noble Queen!
Blob save the Queen!
Send her victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us,
Blob save the Queen.
I like it!
Being an Ausie *of a certain age* I had to sing "blob save the queen"
when I was a lad.
I didn't believe in either blob or the Queen - so it irked me greatly.
I remember being asked to sing GSTQ after a high school assembly and
basically 75% of the students rebelled and started singing Waltzing
Matilda or Advance Australia Fair (the 3 or 4 that knew the lyrcs) or
just singing "Blah Blah Blah" very loudly.
The deputy principle went absolutly raving mad with fury and turned a
very deep shade of purple (obviously a great fan of Her Majesty), as he
berated us as a bunch of disrespectful louts.
A very good memory.
Musically, the French have the best National Anthem - hands down.
Mark.
etc. etc.
http://www.scoutingresources.org.uk/countries_anthems.html
Katt.
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30 May 2005 07:27:26 PM |
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"Richo" <m.richardson@utas.edu.au> wrote in message
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Being an Ausie *of a certain age* I had to sing "blob save the queen"
when I was a lad.
I didn't believe in either blob or the Queen - so it irked me greatly.
I remember being asked to sing GSTQ after a high school assembly and
basically 75% of the students rebelled and started singing Waltzing
Matilda or Advance Australia Fair (the 3 or 4 that knew the lyrcs) or
just singing "Blah Blah Blah" very loudly.
The deputy principle went absolutly raving mad with fury and turned a
very deep shade of purple (obviously a great fan of Her Majesty), as he
berated us as a bunch of disrespectful louts.
A very good memory.
And there was no-one with a video-phone to record it....!!! Gaaack!!
It would have made you all *rich*...!!
:-)
Musically, the French have the best National Anthem - hands down.
Definitely very stirring!! I like the Berlioz version of it best: it has an
.... umm ... *unrestrained* quality...! Do look it out sometime!
Katt.
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30 May 2005 07:22:24 PM |
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"Richo" <m.richardson@utas.edu.au> wrote in news:1117498317.296440.238730
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
Katt wrote:
"Jon." <jd_waller@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1117486091.546844.216430@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
This thread is for people in Canada, the UK and other countries
where
the lyrics to the national anthem include reference to God.
How do you deal with the theistic reference when singing your
national
anthem?
<snip>
Blob save our gracious Queen!
Long live our noble Queen!
Blob save the Queen!
Send her victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us,
Blob save the Queen.
I like it!
Being an Ausie *of a certain age* I had to sing "blob save the queen"
when I was a lad.
I didn't believe in either blob or the Queen - so it irked me greatly.
I remember being asked to sing GSTQ after a high school assembly and
basically 75% of the students rebelled and started singing Waltzing
Matilda or Advance Australia Fair (the 3 or 4 that knew the lyrcs) or
just singing "Blah Blah Blah" very loudly.
The deputy principle went absolutly raving mad with fury and turned a
very deep shade of purple (obviously a great fan of Her Majesty), as he
berated us as a bunch of disrespectful louts.
A very good memory.
Musically, the French have the best National Anthem - hands down.
Only because you Australians didn't have the sense to choose 'Waltzing
Matilda'.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"Pray: To ask the laws of the universe to be annulled on behalf of a
single petitioner confessedly unworthy."
-- Ambrose Bierce
Now playing: Mark Steel - 05 The Mark Steel Solution - E
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30 May 2005 10:44:39 PM |
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"Enkidu the Atheist" <Enkidu.the.Atheist@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9666B0D446011255229@130.133.1.4...
"Richo" <m.richardson@utas.edu.au> wrote in news:1117498317.296440.238730
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
Katt wrote:
"Jon." <jd_waller@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1117486091.546844.216430@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
This thread is for people in Canada, the UK and other countries
where
the lyrics to the national anthem include reference to God.
How do you deal with the theistic reference when singing your
national
anthem?
<snip>
Blob save our gracious Queen!
Long live our noble Queen!
Blob save the Queen!
Send her victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us,
Blob save the Queen.
I like it!
Being an Ausie *of a certain age* I had to sing "blob save the queen"
when I was a lad.
I didn't believe in either blob or the Queen - so it irked me greatly.
I remember being asked to sing GSTQ after a high school assembly and
basically 75% of the students rebelled and started singing Waltzing
Matilda or Advance Australia Fair (the 3 or 4 that knew the lyrcs) or
just singing "Blah Blah Blah" very loudly.
The deputy principle went absolutly raving mad with fury and turned a
very deep shade of purple (obviously a great fan of Her Majesty), as he
berated us as a bunch of disrespectful louts.
A very good memory.
Musically, the French have the best National Anthem - hands down.
Only because you Australians didn't have the sense to choose 'Waltzing
Matilda'.
I've found that "America the Beautiful" can be sung to the tune of "Advance
Australia Fair", and vice versa.
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| User: "The Great Hairy One" |
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| Title: Re: National Anthems |
31 May 2005 05:31:51 AM |
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In article <Xns9666B0D446011255229@130.133.1.4>,
Enkidu.the.Atheist@gmail.com says...
Only because you Australians didn't have the sense to choose 'Waltzing
Matilda'.
Being a Brit colony and all, we didn't really have a choice! :)
--
The Great Hairy One,
BAAWA it all over!
And a SMASHing good time for all of us
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CEO EAC Roleplaying Division
Roleplaying isn't just a lifestyle
It's a higher calling.
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| User: "Phillip Brown" |
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| Title: Re: National Anthems |
31 May 2005 01:19:50 AM |
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On Tue, 31 May 2005 00:22:24 +0000, Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
"Richo" <m.richardson@utas.edu.au> wrote in news:1117498317.296440.238730
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
Katt wrote:
"Jon." <jd_waller@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1117486091.546844.216430@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
This thread is for people in Canada, the UK and other countries
where
the lyrics to the national anthem include reference to God.
How do you deal with the theistic reference when singing your
national
anthem?
<snip>
Blob save our gracious Queen!
Long live our noble Queen!
Blob save the Queen!
Send her victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us,
Blob save the Queen.
I like it!
Being an Ausie *of a certain age* I had to sing "blob save the queen"
when I was a lad.
I didn't believe in either blob or the Queen - so it irked me greatly.
I remember being asked to sing GSTQ after a high school assembly and
basically 75% of the students rebelled and started singing Waltzing
Matilda or Advance Australia Fair (the 3 or 4 that knew the lyrcs) or
just singing "Blah Blah Blah" very loudly.
The deputy principle went absolutly raving mad with fury and turned a
very deep shade of purple (obviously a great fan of Her Majesty), as he
berated us as a bunch of disrespectful louts.
A very good memory.
Musically, the French have the best National Anthem - hands down.
Only because you Australians didn't have the sense to choose 'Waltzing
Matilda'.
But you can't sing 'Waltzing Matilda' to the tune of 'Working Class Man'...
--
phillip brown
"***** doesn't just happen. there is always an *****-hole involved"
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: National Anthems |
30 May 2005 07:42:01 PM |
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"Jon." <jd_waller@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1117486091.546844.216430@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
This thread is for people in Canada, the UK and other countries where
the lyrics to the national anthem include reference to God.
How do you deal with the theistic reference when singing your national
anthem?
I am a proud Canadian, and I always sing along (badly) with "O Canada"
at sporting events etc. However, when it comes to the line "God keep
our land glorious and free", I always sing "Let's keep our land
glorious and free."
I'm curious to know what others do.
I go back to my youth, when I thought the lyrics were:
"Oh Canada, we stand on god for thee."
It was puzzling, but I went along with it. If I'm not mistaken, the
reference to god was added to our anthem sometime in the 70's or 80's, and
the previous version went something along the lines of your lyrics.
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| User: "Katt" |
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| Title: Re: National Anthems |
30 May 2005 07:57:24 PM |
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"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote in message
news:tpOme.25297$9A2.7684@edtnps89...
I go back to my youth, when I thought the lyrics were:
"Oh Canada, we stand on god for thee."
<choke!!>
LOL!!!
Ah, *if only*...!!
It was puzzling, but I went along with it.
As kids do. And far too many adults do, too...
Reminds me, though, of that detail that puzzled me in the so-called 'Lord's
prayer' that I was made to learn as a child:
'Our Father, which art in Heaven,
Harold be thy name...'
As it happened, I knew 'Harold' to be the first name of the UK's then Prime
Minister. So I thought it must be him.
Hell, it made as much sense as any other part of that piffle...!
Katt.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: National Anthems |
30 May 2005 10:47:01 PM |
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"Katt" <seruhshjaudn@dfhu.net> wrote in message
news:UDOme.1679$ci4.949@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote in message
news:tpOme.25297$9A2.7684@edtnps89...
I go back to my youth, when I thought the lyrics were:
"Oh Canada, we stand on god for thee."
<choke!!>
LOL!!!
Ah, *if only*...!!
It was puzzling, but I went along with it.
As kids do. And far too many adults do, too...
Reminds me, though, of that detail that puzzled me in the so-called
'Lord's prayer' that I was made to learn as a child:
'Our Father, which art in Heaven,
Harold be thy name...'
As it happened, I knew 'Harold' to be the first name of the UK's then
Prime Minister. So I thought it must be him.
Hell, it made as much sense as any other part of that piffle...!
Katt.
My Grandma also used to say "Mother Mary Sheila as well." I could never
figure out who the hell Sheila was in the christian pantheon, and I wasn't
about to ask (my Grandma kinda freaked me out). It was only long after she
died that I asked my Mother about it, it turned out she had actually been
saying "Mother Mary shield us well."
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| User: "Jon." |
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| Title: Re: National Anthems |
31 May 2005 11:41:25 AM |
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Neil Kelsey wrote:
"Jon." <jd_waller@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1117486091.546844.216430@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
This thread is for people in Canada, the UK and other countries where
the lyrics to the national anthem include reference to God.
How do you deal with the theistic reference when singing your national
anthem?
I am a proud Canadian, and I always sing along (badly) with "O Canada"
at sporting events etc. However, when it comes to the line "God keep
our land glorious and free", I always sing "Let's keep our land
glorious and free."
I'm curious to know what others do.
I go back to my youth, when I thought the lyrics were:
"Oh Canada, we stand on god for thee."
It was puzzling, but I went along with it. If I'm not mistaken, the
reference to god was added to our anthem sometime in the 70's or 80's, and
the previous version went something along the lines of your lyrics.
You're right that the English lyrics were changed in the late '70s or
early '80s, but I think the earlier version just repeated "O Canada" in
place of "God keep our land".
Jon.
aa #703
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: National Anthems |
30 May 2005 04:31:54 PM |
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"Jon." <jd_waller@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1117486091.546844.216430
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
This thread is for people in Canada, the UK and other countries where
the lyrics to the national anthem include reference to God.
How do you deal with the theistic reference when singing your national
anthem?
I am a proud Canadian, and I always sing along (badly) with "O Canada"
at sporting events etc. However, when it comes to the line "God keep
our land glorious and free", I always sing "Let's keep our land
glorious and free."
I'm curious to know what others do.
Well, we Welsh are lucky.....no mention of God in our Anthem, just
reminds us that the damned English beat us !
(My country tho' crushed by a hostile array)
The Land Of My Fathers
(Mae Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau)
The land of my fathers, the land of my choice,
The land in which poets and minstrels rejoice;
The land whose stern warriors were true to the core,
While bleeding for freedom of yore.
Chorus:
Wales! Wales! fav'rite land of Wales!
While sea her wall, may naught befall
To mar the old language of Wales.
Old mountainous Cambria, the Eden of bards,
Each hill and each valley excite my regards;
To the ears of her patriots how charming still seems
The music that flows in her streams.
My country tho' crushed by a hostile array,
The language of Cambria lives on to this day;
The muse has eluded the traitors' foul knives,
The harp of my country survives.
Ho hum !
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
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| User: "Katt" |
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| Title: Re: National Anthems |
30 May 2005 04:53:05 PM |
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"Jez" <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message news:
The Land Of My Fathers
(Mae Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau)
The land of my fathers, the land of my choice,
The land in which poets and minstrels rejoice;
The land whose stern warriors were true to the core,
While bleeding for freedom of yore.
Chorus:
Wales! Wales! fav'rite land of Wales!
While sea her wall, may naught befall
To mar the old language of Wales.
Old mountainous Cambria, the Eden of bards,
Each hill and each valley excite my regards;
To the ears of her patriots how charming still seems
The music that flows in her streams.
My country tho' crushed by a hostile array,
The language of Cambria lives on to this day;
The muse has eluded the traitors' foul knives,
The harp of my country survives.
Now *that's* what I call a tune...!
Katt.
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| User: "Olrik" |
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| Title: Re: National Anthems |
30 May 2005 10:28:21 PM |
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This thread is for people in Canada, the UK and other countries where
the lyrics to the national anthem include reference to God.
How do you deal with the theistic reference when singing your national
anthem?
I am a proud Canadian, and I always sing along (badly) with "O Canada"
at sporting events etc. However, when it comes to the line "God keep
our land glorious and free", I always sing "Let's keep our land
glorious and free."
I'm curious to know what others do.
In the French version of "O Canada", there's not mention of "God", but
one line mention a cross (in all probability, the christian one) and
another line suggest valor through faith.
But I never sing it anyway.
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "Niels van der Linden" |
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| Title: Re: National Anthems |
30 May 2005 06:57:19 PM |
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This thread is for people in Canada, the UK and other countries where
the lyrics to the national anthem include reference to God.
How do you deal with the theistic reference when singing your national
anthem?
I am a proud Canadian, and I always sing along (badly) with "O Canada"
at sporting events etc. However, when it comes to the line "God keep
our land glorious and free", I always sing "Let's keep our land
glorious and free."
In our country (NED) the song is also about our royal house, which I think
has nothing to do with democracy and everything with wasting money.
But like already said in this thread, it is largely about brotherhood and
nostalgia, but since I've learned about the history of my country and of the
world, brotherhood and nostalgia aren't what they used to be.
Niels
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| User: "Wieland the Smith" |
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| Title: Re: National Anthems |
31 May 2005 02:43:34 PM |
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Niels van der Linden wrote:
This thread is for people in Canada, the UK and other countries where
the lyrics to the national anthem include reference to God.
How do you deal with the theistic reference when singing your national
anthem?
I am a proud Canadian, and I always sing along (badly) with "O Canada"
at sporting events etc. However, when it comes to the line "God keep
our land glorious and free", I always sing "Let's keep our land
glorious and free."
In our country (NED) the song is also about our royal house, which I think
has nothing to do with democracy and everything with wasting money.
But like already said in this thread, it is largely about brotherhood and
nostalgia, but since I've learned about the history of my country and of the
world, brotherhood and nostalgia aren't what they used to be.
Niels
Isn't your anthem saying, your king came from Germany?
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| User: "Hannele Huigens" |
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| Title: Re: National Anthems |
31 May 2005 07:19:53 AM |
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Op Tue, 31 May 2005 01:57:19 +0200 schreef Niels van der Linden
<n.f.l.vanderlinden@student.utwente.nl>:
This thread is for people in Canada, the UK and other countries where
the lyrics to the national anthem include reference to God.
How do you deal with the theistic reference when singing your national
anthem?
I am a proud Canadian, and I always sing along (badly) with "O Canada"
at sporting events etc. However, when it comes to the line "God keep
our land glorious and free", I always sing "Let's keep our land
glorious and free."
In our country (NED) the song is also about our royal house, which I
think
has nothing to do with democracy and everything with wasting money.
Don't forget the king of Spain ;) and of course there's a god mentioned as
well.
But like already said in this thread, it is largely about brotherhood and
nostalgia, but since I've learned about the history of my country and of
the
world, brotherhood and nostalgia aren't what they used to be.
Niels
--
Hannele Huigens
aa #2221
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| User: "Niels van der Linden" |
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| Title: Re: National Anthems |
31 May 2005 08:11:18 AM |
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This thread is for people in Canada, the UK and other countries where
the lyrics to the national anthem include reference to God.
How do you deal with the theistic reference when singing your national
anthem?
I am a proud Canadian, and I always sing along (badly) with "O Canada"
at sporting events etc. However, when it comes to the line "God keep
our land glorious and free", I always sing "Let's keep our land
glorious and free."
In our country (NED) the song is also about our royal house, which I
think
has nothing to do with democracy and everything with wasting money.
Don't forget the king of Spain ;) and of course there's a god mentioned as
well.
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelmus
There's actually a whole lot of God in it:
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelmus
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