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Nature Of Christ: Paul Versus Moses |
Moses to the Hebrews
15 The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from
among your own brothers.You must listen to him.
16 For this is what you asked of the LORD your God at Horeb
on the day of the assembly when you said,
"Let us not hear the voice of the LORD our God nor see this great
fire anymore, or we will die."
17 The LORD said to me: "What they say is good.
18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their
brothers;
I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I
command him.
19 If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks
in my name, I myself will call him to account. Deut 18:15-19
Moses quoted by Stephen
37"This is that Moses who told the Israelites,
'God will send you a prophet like me from your own people.'[h]
38He was in the assembly in the desert, with the angel who
spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our fathers;
and he received living words to pass on to us.
51"You stiff-necked people, with uncircumcised hearts and ears!
You are just like your fathers: You always resist the Holy Spirit!
52Was there ever a prophet your fathers did not persecute?
They even killed those who FORETOLD the coming of the Righteous One.
And now you have betrayed and murdered him-
53you who have received the law that was put into effect
through angels but have not obeyed it." Acts 7:37-51
Moses quoted by Peter
21He must remain in heaven until the time comes for God
to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy
prophets.
22For Moses said, 'The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet
like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he
tells you.
23Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely
cut off from among his people.'[b] Acts 3:21-23
Moses PARAPHRASED by the Qur'an.
Behold! Allah took the Covenant of the Prophets,
saying: "I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you
a Messenger, confirming what is with you; do you believe him and render
him help."
Allah said: "Do ye agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?"
They said: "We agree."
He said: "Then bear witness, and I am with you
among the witnesses." Qur'an 3:81
Christ is a Prophet, other Prophets preceded Him. Qur'an
Paul On Christ
5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
6Who, being in very nature[a] God, did not consider equality
with God something to be grasped,
7but made himself nothing, taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and
became obedient to death- even death on a cross!
9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave
him the name that is above every name,
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven
and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ
is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Phil 2:5-11
16Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great:
God appeared in a body,[d] was vindicated by the Spirit,
was seen by angels, was preached among the nations,
was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory. 1 Tim 3:16
9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
10and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head
over every power and authority.
11In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the
sinful nature,[a] not with a circumcision done by the hands
of men but with the circumcision done by Christ,
12having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him
through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.
col 2:9-12
14May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God,
and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. 2 cor 13
This last passage provided a ground for the TRINITARIAN DOXOLOGY
and was later translated as:
May the love of the father, the grace of the Son and the fellowship of
of the Holy Spirit be with you.
It was later developped in the Nicea-Constantinople Creed
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He, Jesus never evolved, will never evolve and NO monkey is similar to
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| Title: Nature Of Christ: Paul Versus Moses |
15 Oct 2006 05:07:45 PM |
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Moses to the Hebrews
15 The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from
among your own brothers.You must listen to him.
16 For this is what you asked of the LORD your God at Horeb
on the day of the assembly when you said,
"Let us not hear the voice of the LORD our God nor see this great
fire anymore, or we will die."
17 The LORD said to me: "What they say is good.
18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their
brothers;
I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I
command him.
19 If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks
in my name, I myself will call him to account. Deut 18:15-19
Moses quoted by Stephen
37"This is that Moses who told the Israelites,
'God will send you a prophet like me from your own people.'[h]
38He was in the assembly in the desert, with the angel who
spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our fathers;
and he received living words to pass on to us.
51"You stiff-necked people, with uncircumcised hearts and ears!
You are just like your fathers: You always resist the Holy Spirit!
52Was there ever a prophet your fathers did not persecute?
They even killed those who FORETOLD the coming of the Righteous One.
And now you have betrayed and murdered him-
53you who have received the law that was put into effect
through angels but have not obeyed it." Acts 7:37-51
Moses quoted by Peter
20and that he may send the Christ, who has been appointed
for you-even Jesus
21He must remain in heaven until the time comes for God
to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy
prophets.
22For Moses said, 'The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet
like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he
tells you.
23Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely
cut off from among his people.'[b] Acts 3:21-23
Moses PARAPHRASED by the Qur'an.
Behold! Allah took the Covenant of the Prophets,
saying: "I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you
a Messenger, confirming what is with you; do you believe him and
render
him help."
Allah said: "Do ye agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on
you?"
They said: "We agree."
He said: "Then bear witness, and I am with you
among the witnesses." Qur'an 3:81
Christ is a Prophet, other Prophets preceded Him. Qur'an
Paul On Christ
5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
6Who, being in very nature[a] God, did not consider equality
with God something to be grasped,
7but made himself nothing, taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and
became obedient to death- even death on a cross!
9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave
him the name that is above every name,
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven
and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ
is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Phil 2:5-11
16Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great:
God appeared in a body,[d] was vindicated by the Spirit,
was seen by angels, was preached among the nations,
was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory. 1 Tim 3:16
9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
10and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head
over every power and authority.
11In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the
sinful nature,[a] not with a circumcision done by the hands
of men but with the circumcision done by Christ,
12having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him
through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.
col 2:9-12
14May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God,
and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. 2 cor 13
This last passage provided a ground for the TRINITARIAN DOXOLOGY
and was later translated as:
May the love of the father, the grace of the Son and the fellowship of
of the Holy Spirit be with you.
It was later developped in the Nicea-Constantinople Creed
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He, Jesus never evolved, will never evolve and NO monkey is
similar to Him
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15 Oct 2006 10:07:11 PM |
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On 15 Oct 2006 15:07:45 -0700, "codebreaker@bigsecret.com"
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
He, Jesus never evolved, will never evolve and NO monkey is
similar to Him
No, because monkeys actually exist.
Posting this twice doesn't make it less nonsense.
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"Nothing in biology makes sense without evolution."
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15 Oct 2006 10:06:16 PM |
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On 15 Oct 2006 14:54:14 -0700, "codebreaker@bigsecret.com"
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
Moses to the Hebrews
Moses quoted by Stephen
Moses quoted by Peter
Moses PARAPHRASED by the Qur'an.
Paul On Christ
No "Moses on Yeshua" though.
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16 Oct 2006 08:47:49 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 15 Oct 2006 14:54:14 -0700, "codebreaker@bigsecret.com"
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
Moses to the Hebrews
Moses quoted by Stephen
Moses quoted by Peter
Moses PARAPHRASED by the Qur'an.
Paul On Christ
No "Moses on Yeshua" though.
No constitution on BUSH but on the PRESIDENT
Bush is the president, then the constitution is on him
PIECE OF CAKE.
No Moses on YESHUA, but Moses on CHRIST
Jesus is the Christ/Messiah, then Moses is on YESHUA
PIECE OF CAKE.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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16 Oct 2006 11:12:02 PM |
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On 16 Oct 2006 18:47:49 -0700, "codebreaker@bigsecret.com"
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 15 Oct 2006 14:54:14 -0700, "codebreaker@bigsecret.com"
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
Moses to the Hebrews
Moses quoted by Stephen
Moses quoted by Peter
Moses PARAPHRASED by the Qur'an.
Paul On Christ
No "Moses on Yeshua" though.
No constitution on BUSH but on the PRESIDENT
Bush is the president, then the constitution is on him
Nope - the constitution doesn't prove that a president named Bush
existed.
PIECE OF CAKE.
Yep.
No Moses on YESHUA, but Moses on CHRIST
So Moses mentions anointment. Or don't you know what the word means?
Jesus is the Christ/Messiah, then Moses is on YESHUA
IF. Since "Christ" doesn't mean "Jesus", no.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones
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17 Oct 2006 08:10:06 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 16 Oct 2006 18:47:49 -0700, "codebreaker@bigsecret.com"
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 15 Oct 2006 14:54:14 -0700, "codebreaker@bigsecret.com"
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
Moses to the Hebrews
Moses quoted by Stephen
Moses quoted by Peter
Moses PARAPHRASED by the Qur'an.
Paul On Christ
No "Moses on Yeshua" though.
No constitution on BUSH but on the PRESIDENT
Bush is the president, then the constitution is on him
Nope - the constitution doesn't prove that a president named Bush
existed.
PIECE OF CAKE.
Yep.
No Moses on YESHUA, but Moses on CHRIST
So Moses mentions anointment. Or don't you know what the word means?
It might start with anointment but it does not stop there.
You are arguing with Peter and the rest of the apostolic College
Of course I will choose to believe Peter
Jesus is the Christ/Messiah, then Moses is on YESHUA
IF. Since "Christ" doesn't mean "Jesus", no.
It is wise to SHUT YOUR ***** UP If you don't know what you
are talking about.
I am following the Apostolic teaching. On the Authority
of that teaching, Moses and the rest of the Prophets in Israel
foretold the Messiah/Christ. The Apostles and the eyewitness
have crowned Jesus as the person who fitted the descriptions
given in the books of the Old Covenant. Therefore Jesus is the
Messiah/Christ, hence his name Jesus Christ
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rukbat at optonline dot net
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the useful ideas from the worthless ones
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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18 Oct 2006 01:59:26 PM |
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On 17 Oct 2006 18:10:06 -0700, "codebreaker@bigsecret.com"
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
It is wise to SHUT YOUR ***** UP If you don't know what you
are talking about.
Then why are you still posting? Do as you say, not as you do?
I am following the Apostolic teaching.
That's nice. But pretty meaningless to non-Christians. Do you have
anything more than the tired old "I'm using one claim in the Bible to
prove that another claim in the Bible is true"?
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"Given that you exist and that you are aware of your situation and
surroundings, you will find yourself in a place which has conditions
exactly suitable to your being there. If the environment was
hostile or incompatible in some important way then you would not be
there in the first place. Therefore the suitability and seeming
perfection of your universe cannot be taken as evidence of anything
more than your existence in it."
- Edward Warren, "The naturalistic fallacy"
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| User: "" |
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18 Oct 2006 07:02:02 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 17 Oct 2006 18:10:06 -0700, "codebreaker@bigsecret.com"
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
It is wise to SHUT YOUR ***** UP If you don't know what you
are talking about.
Then why are you still posting? Do as you say, not as you do?
I am following the Apostolic teaching.
That's nice. But pretty meaningless to non-Christians. Do you have
anything more than the tired old "I'm using one claim in the Bible to
prove that another claim in the Bible is true"?
Again it is wise to shut up If you don't understand the insinuation,
the analogy, the sous-entendus, the implication
and the context of the Text.
Why would the nation of Israel reject just an anointed
If anointed just means what you say? Tell me why?
If you don't understand the biblical culture then SHUT UP.
Saul was anointed as a the first king of Israel for a temporal kingdom.
Now since there is an IDEA of kingship in the word Messiah
or anointed, you would understand If you could read why
the framers of the Nicea-Constantinople COUNCIL , speaking
of Jesus as the Christ/Messiah wrote that His kingdom
will never end.
There is more to Anointed than just applying OIL
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surroundings, you will find yourself in a place which has conditions
exactly suitable to your being there. If the environment was
hostile or incompatible in some important way then you would not be
there in the first place. Therefore the suitability and seeming
perfection of your universe cannot be taken as evidence of anything
more than your existence in it."
- Edward Warren, "The naturalistic fallacy"
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| Title: Re: Nature Of Christ: Paul Versus Moses |
16 Oct 2006 08:53:30 PM |
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On 16 Oct 2006 18:47:49 -0700, in alt.atheism
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
<1161049669.066963.120090@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:
Al Klein wrote:
On 15 Oct 2006 14:54:14 -0700, "codebreaker@bigsecret.com"
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
Moses to the Hebrews
Moses quoted by Stephen
Moses quoted by Peter
Moses PARAPHRASED by the Qur'an.
Paul On Christ
No "Moses on Yeshua" though.
No constitution on BUSH but on the PRESIDENT
Bush is the president, then the constitution is on him
PIECE OF CAKE.
No Moses on YESHUA, but Moses on CHRIST
Jesus is the Christ/Messiah, then Moses is on YESHUA
PIECE OF CAKE.
Except, of course, that Christ does not mean Messiah.
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16 Oct 2006 09:08:50 PM |
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Free Lunch wrote:
On 16 Oct 2006 18:47:49 -0700, in alt.atheism
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
<1161049669.066963.120090@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:
Al Klein wrote:
On 15 Oct 2006 14:54:14 -0700, "codebreaker@bigsecret.com"
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
Moses to the Hebrews
Moses quoted by Stephen
Moses quoted by Peter
Moses PARAPHRASED by the Qur'an.
Paul On Christ
No "Moses on Yeshua" though.
No constitution on BUSH but on the PRESIDENT
Bush is the president, then the constitution is on him
PIECE OF CAKE.
No Moses on YESHUA, but Moses on CHRIST
Jesus is the Christ/Messiah, then Moses is on YESHUA
PIECE OF CAKE.
Except, of course, that Christ does not mean Messiah.
I get tired of people you don't know what they are talking
about. If Christ does not mean Messiah, then what is the word
for Christ in Hebrew. I am assuming that you know that the
title Christ is derived from Christus Greek.
***** you and PLONK
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16 Oct 2006 09:13:08 PM |
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wrote:
Free Lunch wrote:
On 16 Oct 2006 18:47:49 -0700, in alt.atheism
" " <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
<1161049669.066963.120090@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:
Al Klein wrote:
On 15 Oct 2006 14:54:14 -0700, " "
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
Moses to the Hebrews
Moses quoted by Stephen
Moses quoted by Peter
Moses PARAPHRASED by the Qur'an.
Paul On Christ
No "Moses on Yeshua" though.
No constitution on BUSH but on the PRESIDENT
Bush is the president, then the constitution is on him
PIECE OF CAKE.
No Moses on YESHUA, but Moses on CHRIST
Jesus is the Christ/Messiah, then Moses is on YESHUA
PIECE OF CAKE.
Except, of course, that Christ does not mean Messiah.
I get tired of people WHO don't know what they are talking
about. If Christ does not mean Messiah, then what is the word
for Christ in Hebrew. I am assuming that you know that the
title Christ is derived from Christus which is Greek.
***** you and PLONK
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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16 Oct 2006 10:21:09 PM |
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On 16 Oct 2006 19:13:08 -0700, in alt.atheism
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
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codebreaker@bigsecret.com wrote:
Free Lunch wrote:
On 16 Oct 2006 18:47:49 -0700, in alt.atheism
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
<1161049669.066963.120090@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:
Al Klein wrote:
On 15 Oct 2006 14:54:14 -0700, "codebreaker@bigsecret.com"
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
Moses to the Hebrews
Moses quoted by Stephen
Moses quoted by Peter
Moses PARAPHRASED by the Qur'an.
Paul On Christ
No "Moses on Yeshua" though.
No constitution on BUSH but on the PRESIDENT
Bush is the president, then the constitution is on him
PIECE OF CAKE.
No Moses on YESHUA, but Moses on CHRIST
Jesus is the Christ/Messiah, then Moses is on YESHUA
PIECE OF CAKE.
Except, of course, that Christ does not mean Messiah.
I get tired of people WHO don't know what they are talking
about. If Christ does not mean Messiah, then what is the word
for Christ in Hebrew. I am assuming that you know that the
title Christ is derived from Christus which is Greek.
***** you and PLONK
So rude, you had to do it twice.
Get back to me on the cultural meanings of anointing.
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16 Oct 2006 11:14:07 PM |
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On 16 Oct 2006 19:08:50 -0700, "codebreaker@bigsecret.com"
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
I get tired of people you don't know what they are talking
about. If Christ does not mean Messiah, then what is the word
for Christ in Hebrew.
The word, in whatever language, is "anointed".
I am assuming that you know that the
title Christ is derived from Christus Greek.
Which means, in Greek, "anointed". That's ALL it means. It was
APPLIED to the Jesus figure, it doesn't MEAN "Jesus" any more than
"president" MEANS Bush.
(OR "Moses" means someone in particular - it was a title, like
"president" is a title.)
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"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so
long as I'm the dictator."
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17 Oct 2006 08:14:32 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 16 Oct 2006 19:08:50 -0700, "codebreaker@bigsecret.com"
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
I get tired of people you don't know what they are talking
about. If Christ does not mean Messiah, then what is the word
for Christ in Hebrew.
The word, in whatever language, is "anointed".
I am assuming that you know that the
title Christ is derived from Christus Greek.
Which means, in Greek, "anointed". That's ALL it means. It was
Anointed by who? and with what kind of oil?
See, He was not annointed by the High priest, nor
was he annointed with earthly oil as it was with the kings.
He was annointed by the Holy Spirit as a King of a kingdom
which will never pass away.
Notice that in the ANCIENT Irseal the annointed were
by humans
APPLIED to the Jesus figure, it doesn't MEAN "Jesus" any more than
"president" MEANS Bush.
(OR "Moses" means someone in particular - it was a title, like
"president" is a title.)
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"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so
long as I'm the dictator."
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18 Oct 2006 02:01:02 PM |
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On 17 Oct 2006 18:14:32 -0700, "codebreaker@bigsecret.com"
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 16 Oct 2006 19:08:50 -0700, "codebreaker@bigsecret.com"
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
I am assuming that you know that the
title Christ is derived from Christus Greek.
Which means, in Greek, "anointed". That's ALL it means. It was
Anointed by who? and with what kind of oil?
By anyone with perfumed oil of any type.
See, He was not annointed by the High priest, nor
was he annointed with earthly oil as it was with the kings.
He was annointed by the Holy Spirit as a King of a kingdom
which will never pass away.
You can't use the Bible to prove that what's in the Bible is true.
Notice that in the ANCIENT Irseal the annointed were
by humans
It still doesn't prove that what's in the Bible is true.
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18 Oct 2006 07:09:26 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 17 Oct 2006 18:14:32 -0700, "codebreaker@bigsecret.com"
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 16 Oct 2006 19:08:50 -0700, "codebreaker@bigsecret.com"
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
I am assuming that you know that the
title Christ is derived from Christus Greek.
Which means, in Greek, "anointed". That's ALL it means. It was
Anointed by who? and with what kind of oil?
By anyone with perfumed oil of any type.
Back it up, FOOL
See, He was not annointed by the High priest, nor
was he annointed with earthly oil as it was with the kings.
He was annointed by the Holy Spirit as a King of a kingdom
which will never pass away.
You can't use the Bible to prove that what's in the Bible is true.
So you want to use the Origin of the species to define
the word Messiah or Christ?
Is this the way you were told to make sense of a text?
Even the partial definition of the word anointed that you
are using is taken from the Bible though it
doesn't explain why Jesus was anointed
Notice that in the ANCIENT Irseal the annointed were
by humans
It still doesn't prove that what's in the Bible is true.
Just show me a text which says that Jesus was anointed by
a High priest and this is how he earned his title
Christ or Messiah and you would prove your POINT, jerk.
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17 Oct 2006 08:17:00 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 16 Oct 2006 19:08:50 -0700, "codebreaker@bigsecret.com"
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(OR "Moses" means someone in particular - it was a title, like
"president" is a title.)
Moses means saved from the water. It is not a title but a name
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18 Oct 2006 02:02:10 PM |
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On 17 Oct 2006 18:17:00 -0700, "codebreaker@bigsecret.com"
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 16 Oct 2006 19:08:50 -0700, "codebreaker@bigsecret.com"
(OR "Moses" means someone in particular - it was a title, like
"president" is a title.)
Moses means saved from the water. It is not a title but a name
Do you HAVE TO argue with everything you're told? The 'ose' ending of
a name was titular. Go argue with an Egyptologist.
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18 Oct 2006 07:13:41 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 17 Oct 2006 18:17:00 -0700, "codebreaker@bigsecret.com"
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 16 Oct 2006 19:08:50 -0700, "codebreaker@bigsecret.com"
(OR "Moses" means someone in particular - it was a title, like
"president" is a title.)
Moses means saved from the water. It is not a title but a name
Do you HAVE TO argue with everything you're told? The 'ose' ending of
a name was titular. Go argue with an Egyptologist.
Moses is no title... In the Bible it is used as a name
and it means saved from the water just as Jesus means
Emmanual, God with us, Jesus is no title, it is a name
and CHRIST/MESSIAH is his title.
Your Egyptologist is an ERRING FOOL
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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16 Oct 2006 10:20:27 PM |
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On 16 Oct 2006 19:08:50 -0700, in alt.atheism
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
<1161050930.349443.306120@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:
Free Lunch wrote:
On 16 Oct 2006 18:47:49 -0700, in alt.atheism
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
<1161049669.066963.120090@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:
Al Klein wrote:
On 15 Oct 2006 14:54:14 -0700, "codebreaker@bigsecret.com"
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
Moses to the Hebrews
Moses quoted by Stephen
Moses quoted by Peter
Moses PARAPHRASED by the Qur'an.
Paul On Christ
No "Moses on Yeshua" though.
No constitution on BUSH but on the PRESIDENT
Bush is the president, then the constitution is on him
PIECE OF CAKE.
No Moses on YESHUA, but Moses on CHRIST
Jesus is the Christ/Messiah, then Moses is on YESHUA
PIECE OF CAKE.
Except, of course, that Christ does not mean Messiah.
I get tired of people you don't know what they are talking
about. If Christ does not mean Messiah, then what is the word
for Christ in Hebrew. I am assuming that you know that the
title Christ is derived from Christus Greek.
So, you can show that the meanings of anointing are the same in Greek
and Hebrew culture? How is that?
***** you and PLONK
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16 Oct 2006 11:15:53 PM |
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:20:27 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
So, you can show that the meanings of anointing are the same in Greek
and Hebrew culture? How is that?
Moses, if he had been a real person, would have been, as the (adopted)
son of the Pharaoh, anointed. Anointing goes back to LONG before the
first century AD.
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17 Oct 2006 07:05:22 AM |
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:15:53 -0400, in alt.atheism
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
<e5m8j250iq8hmehqbjn9c2trehorsc6jo0@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:20:27 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
So, you can show that the meanings of anointing are the same in Greek
and Hebrew culture? How is that?
Moses, if he had been a real person, would have been, as the (adopted)
son of the Pharaoh, anointed. Anointing goes back to LONG before the
first century AD.
Sure, but nowhere are we told that Jesus was anointed in a similar
fashion.
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17 Oct 2006 09:26:28 AM |
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:05:22 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:15:53 -0400, in alt.atheism
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
<e5m8j250iq8hmehqbjn9c2trehorsc6jo0@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:20:27 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
So, you can show that the meanings of anointing are the same in Greek
and Hebrew culture? How is that?
Moses, if he had been a real person, would have been, as the (adopted)
son of the Pharaoh, anointed. Anointing goes back to LONG before the
first century AD.
Sure, but nowhere are we told that Jesus was anointed in a similar
fashion.
We're told that he was anointed - Christus. That's what it meant when
referring to Moses' time and that's what it meant when referring to
Jesus' time.
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unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand."
-- Bertrand Russell.
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17 Oct 2006 05:58:08 PM |
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:26:28 -0400, in alt.atheism
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
<etp9j2hho3nsbcvqjjo8de6b10gm9aqj8h@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:05:22 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:15:53 -0400, in alt.atheism
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
<e5m8j250iq8hmehqbjn9c2trehorsc6jo0@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:20:27 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
So, you can show that the meanings of anointing are the same in Greek
and Hebrew culture? How is that?
Moses, if he had been a real person, would have been, as the (adopted)
son of the Pharaoh, anointed. Anointing goes back to LONG before the
first century AD.
Sure, but nowhere are we told that Jesus was anointed in a similar
fashion.
We're told that he was anointed - Christus. That's what it meant when
referring to Moses' time and that's what it meant when referring to
Jesus' time.
Where? When? Anointing is a ceremony. Who performed it?
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17 Oct 2006 07:13:37 PM |
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:58:08 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:26:28 -0400, in alt.atheism
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
<etp9j2hho3nsbcvqjjo8de6b10gm9aqj8h@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:05:22 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:15:53 -0400, in alt.atheism
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
<e5m8j250iq8hmehqbjn9c2trehorsc6jo0@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:20:27 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
So, you can show that the meanings of anointing are the same in Greek
and Hebrew culture? How is that?
Moses, if he had been a real person, would have been, as the (adopted)
son of the Pharaoh, anointed. Anointing goes back to LONG before the
first century AD.
Sure, but nowhere are we told that Jesus was anointed in a similar
fashion.
We're told that he was anointed - Christus. That's what it meant when
referring to Moses' time and that's what it meant when referring to
Jesus' time.
Where? When? Anointing is a ceremony. Who performed it?
Who performed what? When a Greek said "Christus" he meant someone who
had been anointed. It didn't matter what era he was talking about.
That's all I said.
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Bozo the Clown."
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17 Oct 2006 07:17:38 PM |
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:13:37 -0400, in alt.atheism
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
<9bsaj29jmu83kq0rjnkjfpre9h7fo4pneg@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:58:08 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:26:28 -0400, in alt.atheism
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
<etp9j2hho3nsbcvqjjo8de6b10gm9aqj8h@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:05:22 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:15:53 -0400, in alt.atheism
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
<e5m8j250iq8hmehqbjn9c2trehorsc6jo0@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:20:27 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
So, you can show that the meanings of anointing are the same in Greek
and Hebrew culture? How is that?
Moses, if he had been a real person, would have been, as the (adopted)
son of the Pharaoh, anointed. Anointing goes back to LONG before the
first century AD.
Sure, but nowhere are we told that Jesus was anointed in a similar
fashion.
We're told that he was anointed - Christus. That's what it meant when
referring to Moses' time and that's what it meant when referring to
Jesus' time.
Where? When? Anointing is a ceremony. Who performed it?
Who performed what? When a Greek said "Christus" he meant someone who
had been anointed. It didn't matter what era he was talking about.
That's all I said.
Fine. If Jesus was anointed, I want to know who anointed Him.
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18 Oct 2006 01:57:05 PM |
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:17:38 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
Fine. If Jesus was anointed, I want to know who anointed Him.
Someone in the Temple, probably. It just means to apply perfumed oil
to the body. It symbolized consecration to a high cause, but one can
consecrate his life to something with no outside help.
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Christ."
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18 Oct 2006 06:50:55 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:17:38 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
Fine. If Jesus was anointed, I want to know who anointed Him.
Someone in the Temple, probably. It just means to apply perfumed oil
to the body. It symbolized consecration to a high cause, but one can
consecrate his life to something with no outside help.
Back it up with the text, the biblical text and not something
from your imagination, *****.
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Christ."
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18 Oct 2006 10:21:38 PM |
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On 18 Oct 2006 16:50:55 -0700, "codebreaker@bigsecret.com"
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
Back it up with the text, the biblical text and not something
from your imagination, *****.
Oh, did I forget to introduce you to MY god?
Meet <plonk>
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human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and
never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in
its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
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18 Oct 2006 02:37:07 PM |
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On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:57:05 -0500, Al Klein wrote
(in article <44ucj21bg32cqcadkedkttq293m4kkf07l@4ax.com>):
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:17:38 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
Fine. If Jesus was anointed, I want to know who anointed Him.
Someone in the Temple, probably. It just means to apply perfumed oil
to the body. It symbolized consecration to a high cause, but one can
consecrate his life to something with no outside help.
Just like Ashcroft got himself "anointed" by a Supreme Court Justice. With
Crisco oil.
Ashcroft Christ. Who would a' thunk it?
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