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"C.J.W." |
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25 Jan 2005 03:43:17 PM |
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Nazism and Separation of Church and State |
MUNICH, Germany, Feb. 13.
The struggle between the German National Socialist
State and the Catholic Church may be described
at present as being in that preliminary stage in
which the leaders are still negotiating to avoid
a conflict which neither side courts but in
which the rival armies already are manoeuvring
for position and making occasional forays
into their opponents’ ranks to test the
strength of the rival position. In this
preliminary struggle the Nazis with
their new totalitarian State, obviously
are the aggressors; to change the
old order is the purpose of their existence.
.......
The official position of the Church
was stated by Cardinal Eugenia Pacelli,
the Vatican Secretary at State, in an
address to pilgrims of the German
Young Men’s League in December,
when he said: "The church renders
unto the State what is the State’s. As
long as measures of the State do not hinder
the church in effectively carrying out the
God-ordained mission of salvation and
as long as the State observes the
God-ordained harmony of the two
highest powers, or at least assures free
and undisturbed activity an the part
of the church, it will meet as resistance
from the church. The church loves peace
more than war. But it loves truth and
God-given freedom more than the false
peace of untruth and subjection."
.......
The attitude of Catholic leaders in Germany
ranges from that of Archbishop Conrad
Groebar or Freiburg, who put him self
“unreservedly” behind the new government
to that of Cardinal Michael van Faulhaber
of Munich, who proclaimed that the
spread of “paganism” means civil war.
Cardinal nan Faulhaber, long Nazism’s
greatest opponent, is credited with having
turned the scale against the Hitler putsch
of 1923.
........
Divorce From Politics Welcomed."
(Nazis and Church Groping for Issue
The New York Times, Feb. 14, 1934, pg. 4
By Otto D. Tolischus)
http://mynym.blogspot.com/2005/01/separation-of-church-and-state.html
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http://mynym.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Ninure Saunders" |
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| Title: Re: Nazism and Separation of Church and State |
26 Jan 2005 03:39:42 PM |
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(~) : Letter from Juan (author unknown)
JUAN NINGUNO, and old preacher-friend of mine from days past, sent me a
letter not long ago. His letters are always fantastic (in the sense of the
primary meaning of that word). I never know when I'll hear from Juan. He
moves around a lot - mostly in almost forgotten places where I myself have
journeyed. This letter was sent from Nevada. Allow me to share it with
you:
Dear John,
As you know, we've been working real hard in our town to get prayer back
in the schools. Finally, the school board approved a plan of teacher-led
prayer with the children participating at their own option. Children not
wishing to participate were to be allowed to stand out in the hallway
during the prayer time. We hoped someone would sue us so we could go all
the way to the Supreme Court and get that old devil-inspired ruling
reversed.
Naturally, we were all excited by the school board's action. As you know,
our own little Billy (not so little, any more, though) is now in the
second grade. Of course, Margaret and I explained to him no matter what
the other kids did, he was going to stay in the classroom and participate.
After the first day of school, I asked him, "How did the prayer time go?"
"Fine."
"Did many kids go out into the hallway?"
"Two."
"Excellent. How did you like your teacher's prayer?"
"It was different, Dad. Real different from the way you pray."
"Oh? Like how?"
"She said, 'Hail, Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners...'"
The next day I talked with the principal. I politely explained I wasn't
prejudice against Catholics but I would appreciate Billy being transferred
to a non-Catholic teacher. The principal said it would be done right away.
At supper that evening I asked Billy to say the blessings. He slipped out
of his chair, sat cross-legged on the floor, closed his eyes, raised his
hands palms up and began to hum.
You'd better believe I was at the principal's office at eight o'clock the
next morning. "Look," I said. "I don't really know much about these
Transcendental Meditationists, but I would feel a lot more comfortable if
you could move Billy to a room where the teacher practices and older, more
established religion.'"
That afternoon I met Billy as soon as he walked in the door after school.
"I don't think your going to like Mrs. Nakasone's prayer, either, Dad."
"Out with it."
"She kept calling God 'O Great Budda...'"
The following morning I was waiting for the principal in the school
parking lot. "Look, I don't want my son praying to the Eternal Spirit of
whatever or to Buddha. I want him to have a teacher that prays in Jesus'
name!"
"What about Bertha Smith?"
"Excellent."
I could hardly wait to hear about Mrs. Smith's prayer. I was standing on
the front steps of the school when the final bell rang.
"Well?" I asked Billy as we walked towards the car.
"Okay."
"Okay what?"
"Mrs. Smith asked God to bless us and ended her prayer in Jesus name,
amen - just like you."
I breathed a sigh of relief. "Now we're getting some place."
"She even taught us a verse of scripture about prayer," said Billy.
I beamed. "Wonderful. What was the verse?"
"Let's see..." he mused for a moment. " 'And behold, they began to pray;
and they did pray unto Jesus, calling him their Lord and their God.'"
We had reached the car. "Fantastic," I said, reaching for the door
handle. Then I paused. I couldn't place the scripture. "Billy, did Mrs.
Smith say what book that verse was from?"
"Third Nephi, chapter 19, verse 18."
"Third what?"
"Nephi," he said, "It's in the Book of Mormon."
The school board doesn't meet for a month. I've given Billy very
definite instructions that at prayer time each day he's to go out into the
hallway. I plan to be at that board meeting. If they don't do something
about this situation, I'll sue. I'll take it all the way to the Supreme
Court if I have to. I don't need the schools or anybody else teaching my
son about religion. We can take care of that ourselves at home and at
church,
thank you very much.
Give my love to Sandi and the boys.
Your buddy,
Juan
Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Nazism and Separation of Church and State |
26 Jan 2005 11:34:02 PM |
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:39:42 GMT,
RainbowChristiannohate@Rainbow-Christian.tk (Ninure Saunders) said in
alt.atheism:
(~) : Letter from Juan (author unknown)
Hilarious. It should be mandatory reading for anyone who wants prayer
to be "returned" to the public schools.
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"The study of geology is ok-But not when it contradicts what is laid
out in the Bible that the earth is more than 10,000 years old."
- Doug Lee, Creationist
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