Religions > Atheism > NC: city councilmember places 10 commandments at Winston-Salem city hall
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NC: city councilmember places 10 commandments at Winston-Salem city hall |
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Winston-Salem official places Ten Commandments at city hall
The Associated Press
A city council member placed a granite block bearing the Ten
Commandments on a walkway in front of a city hall deserted on
Monday's Martin Luther King holiday.
Verson Robinson, a black conservative who has been on the city
council since 1998, said he and four helpers acted on the holiday
because the barren adjoining parking lot allowed him to move in a
truck and crane to position the one-ton block.
The monument - inscribed on one side with the Ten Commandments
and on the other side with the Bill of Rights - was positioned on
a landing of the stairway ascending to the 1930s city hall at
dawn Monday, Robinson said.
Robinson said he had no permit or other authorization to place
the monument on public property. The $2,000 cost of buying and
moving the four-tall, blue-granite block was entirely his own,
said Robinson, who is running for a vacant U.S. House seat.
Mayor Allen Joines did not immediately return calls seeking
comment on the city's response.
"This display is intended to acknowledge the undeniable role that
the Ten Commandments and Bill of Rights have played in developing
the American legal tradition," Robinson said in a telephone
interview. "These are the ideas on which society has been built
and these works encapsulate the belief system on which the
republic was founded."
Robinson said he was inspired to act by former Alabama Chief
Justice Roy Moore, who ordered a 2 1/2-ton Ten Commandments
monument placed in the rotunda of the Alabama Judicial Building
in 2001.
A federal judge found the monument to be an unconstitutional
promotion of religion by government in 2002. Moore was removed
from office last year for violating ethics rules by not obeying
the federal court order to remove the monument.
Robinson said the monument was quarried and cut in Georgia and
shipped from there.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: city councilmember places 10 commandments at Winston-Salem city hall |
19 Jan 2004 02:08:54 PM |
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"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:400c1f1e$0$41286$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040119/APN/401190701&cachetime=5
Winston-Salem official places Ten Commandments at city hall
The Associated Press
A city council member placed a granite block bearing the Ten
Commandments on a walkway in front of a city hall deserted on
Monday's Martin Luther King holiday.
Verson Robinson, a black conservative who has been on the city
council since 1998, said he and four helpers acted on the holiday
because the barren adjoining parking lot allowed him to move in a
truck and crane to position the one-ton block.
Well? Have charges been filed?
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: city councilmember places 10 commandments at Winston-Salem city hall |
20 Jan 2004 01:43:33 AM |
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In article <786dna6oGsZyE5HdRVn-uQ@io.com>,
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:400c1f1e$0$41286$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040119/APN/40119070
1&cachetime=5
Winston-Salem official places Ten Commandments at city hall
The Associated Press
A city council member placed a granite block bearing the Ten
Commandments on a walkway in front of a city hall deserted on
Monday's Martin Luther King holiday.
Verson Robinson, a black conservative who has been on the city
council since 1998, said he and four helpers acted on the holiday
because the barren adjoining parking lot allowed him to move in a
truck and crane to position the one-ton block.
Well? Have charges been filed?
Probably no need. Yet. The mayor has said it'll be removed. It's just a
question of who gets the bill.
I'm looking forward to see who makes a stink over this idiocy. There are
probably a fair number of fundy twits who've been itching for the
opportunity to make asses of themselves in front of TV cameras, the way
those jerks in Talibama did last summer.
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: city councilmember places 10 commandments at Winston-Salem city hall |
20 Jan 2004 05:38:02 PM |
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:08:54 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:400c1f1e$0$41286$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040119/APN/401190701&cachetime=5
Winston-Salem official places Ten Commandments at city hall
The Associated Press
A city council member placed a granite block bearing the Ten
Commandments on a walkway in front of a city hall deserted on
Monday's Martin Luther King holiday.
Verson Robinson, a black conservative who has been on the city
council since 1998, said he and four helpers acted on the holiday
because the barren adjoining parking lot allowed him to move in a
truck and crane to position the one-ton block.
Well? Have charges been filed?
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
Does the fine for littering vary with the amount or weight of the
litter?
drift
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| User: "dummie" |
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| Title: Re: NC: city councilmember places 10 commandments at Winston-Salem city hall |
19 Jan 2004 07:15:44 PM |
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Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote in message news:<400c1f1e$0$41286$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com>...
http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040119/APN/401190701&cachetime=5
Winston-Salem official places Ten Commandments at city hall
Yay, a Fundie with a martyr complex in Fundie country found his way to
attention and re-election through a trite imitation of recent scandal.
You knew it had to happen!
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-mike#1375
BAAWA Knight!
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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19 Jan 2004 09:17:18 PM |
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And so upon Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:15:44 -0800 didst dummie speak thusly:
Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote in message news:<400c1f1e$0$41286$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com>...
http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040119/APN/401190701&cachetime=5
Winston-Salem official places Ten Commandments at city hall
Yay, a Fundie with a martyr complex in Fundie country found his way to
attention and re-election through a trite imitation of recent scandal.
You knew it had to happen!
They're just not bright people...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: NC: city councilmember places 10 commandments at Winston-Salem city hall |
20 Jan 2004 01:40:16 AM |
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In article <pan.2004.01.20.03.17.18.111413@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
And so upon Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:15:44 -0800 didst dummie speak thusly:
Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:<400c1f1e$0$41286$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com>...
http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040119/APN/40119
0701&cachetime=5
Winston-Salem official places Ten Commandments at city hall
Yay, a Fundie with a martyr complex in Fundie country found his way to
attention and re-election through a trite imitation of recent scandal.
You knew it had to happen!
They're just not bright people...
Well, at least the mayor has said he's having it removed. I hope it's
still there Saturday. The Piedmont Freethought Association might go take
a look-see. {;-)
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "satyr" |
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| Title: Re: NC: city councilmember places 10 commandments at Winston-Salem city hall |
20 Jan 2004 11:35:01 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 07:40:16 GMT, *nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com>
wrote:
In article <pan.2004.01.20.03.17.18.111413@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
And so upon Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:15:44 -0800 didst dummie speak thusly:
Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:<400c1f1e$0$41286$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com>...
http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040119/APN/40119
0701&cachetime=5
Winston-Salem official places Ten Commandments at city hall
Yay, a Fundie with a martyr complex in Fundie country found his way to
attention and re-election through a trite imitation of recent scandal.
You knew it had to happen!
They're just not bright people...
Well, at least the mayor has said he's having it removed. I hope it's
still there Saturday. The Piedmont Freethought Association might go take
a look-see. {;-)
Sorry, it's gone already. Hauled to a city junk yard for "safe
keeping" according to NPR.
--
satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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| Title: NC: Winston-Salem mayor to remove 10 commandments monument |
19 Jan 2004 08:58:24 PM |
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Taketh it away...
http://www.nbc17.com/news/2777063/detail.html
Winston-Salem Mayor To Remove Ten Commandments Monument
Councilman Installs Ten Commandments Monument At City Hall
WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. -- The Ten Commandments controversy landed on the
steps of Winston-Salem's City Hall Monday.
A city councilman had a 1-ton a monument installed while city workers
were off for the holiday. The Ten Commandments are listed on one side of
the monument and the Bill or Rights is listed on the other side.
Councilman Vernon Robinson said former Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore
inspired him to spend $2,000 on the project. Moore was removed from
office last year for refusing to remove a Ten Commandments monument he
had installed in his state's judicial building.
Mayor Allen Joines said no one has the right to install a monument on
city property. He said he will act quickly to remove the monument.
Robinson is running for Congress as a Republican.
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| User: "William Klee" |
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| Title: Re: NC: Winston-Salem mayor to remove 10 commandments monument |
20 Jan 2004 12:03:10 AM |
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In article <400c9950$0$41284$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com>, Brian
Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote:
Taketh it away...
http://www.nbc17.com/news/2777063/detail.html
Winston-Salem Mayor To Remove Ten Commandments Monument
Councilman Installs Ten Commandments Monument At City Hall
WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. -- The Ten Commandments controversy landed on the
steps of Winston-Salem's City Hall Monday.
A city councilman had a 1-ton a monument installed while city workers
were off for the holiday. The Ten Commandments are listed on one side of
the monument and the Bill or Rights is listed on the other side.
Didn't roy-boy put his rock up when no one else was around? It's like
these people are ashamed of what they're doing or something.
Councilman Vernon Robinson said former Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore
Guess vern didn't notice the word "former".
inspired him to spend $2,000 on the project. Moore was removed from
office last year for refusing to remove a Ten Commandments monument he
had installed in his state's judicial building.
That's some inspiration: put a rock & lose your job. Go get 'em, tiger!
Mayor Allen Joines said no one has the right to install a monument on
city property. He said he will act quickly to remove the monument.
Robinson is running for Congress as a Republican.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: NC: Winston-Salem mayor to remove 10 commandments monument |
20 Jan 2004 05:02:45 PM |
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And so upon Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:03:10 -0600 didst William Klee speak
thusly:
In article <400c9950$0$41284$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com>, Brian
Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote:
Taketh it away...
http://www.nbc17.com/news/2777063/detail.html
Winston-Salem Mayor To Remove Ten Commandments Monument
Councilman Installs Ten Commandments Monument At City Hall
WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. -- The Ten Commandments controversy landed on the
steps of Winston-Salem's City Hall Monday.
A city councilman had a 1-ton a monument installed while city workers
were off for the holiday. The Ten Commandments are listed on one side of
the monument and the Bill or Rights is listed on the other side.
Didn't roy-boy put his rock up when no one else was around? It's like
these people are ashamed of what they're doing or something.
Hm... doesn't the bible say something about people whose works are
committed in the dark?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "William Klee" |
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| Title: Re: NC: Winston-Salem mayor to remove 10 commandments monument |
20 Jan 2004 10:23:41 PM |
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In article <pan.2004.01.20.23.02.45.45758@hoo.com-amikchi>, Mark K.
Bilbo <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
And so upon Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:03:10 -0600 didst William Klee speak
thusly:
In article <400c9950$0$41284$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com>, Brian
Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote:
Taketh it away...
http://www.nbc17.com/news/2777063/detail.html
Winston-Salem Mayor To Remove Ten Commandments Monument
Councilman Installs Ten Commandments Monument At City Hall
WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. -- The Ten Commandments controversy landed on the
steps of Winston-Salem's City Hall Monday.
A city councilman had a 1-ton a monument installed while city workers
were off for the holiday. The Ten Commandments are listed on one side of
the monument and the Bill or Rights is listed on the other side.
Didn't roy-boy put his rock up when no one else was around? It's like
these people are ashamed of what they're doing or something.
Hm... doesn't the bible say something about people whose works are
committed in the dark?
And then there's one of the all-time top-ten ignored bits, where their
pet god says that anyone who does anything in public is doing it soley
for the admiration of other humans. Pubic prayer? Doing it to impress
humans. Posting the ten suggestions in public? Doing it to impress
humans. Killing others because of religion? Doing it to impress others.
The list goes on (and on, and on, and on...), but the bottom line is
clear: *every* christian act we see, bar none, are done to impress
humans. And they fail at it: I'm totally unimpressed.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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21 Jan 2004 09:37:16 AM |
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And so upon Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:23:41 -0600 didst William Klee speak
thusly:
In article <pan.2004.01.20.23.02.45.45758@hoo.com-amikchi>, Mark K.
Bilbo <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
And so upon Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:03:10 -0600 didst William Klee speak
thusly:
In article <400c9950$0$41284$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com>, Brian
Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote:
Taketh it away...
http://www.nbc17.com/news/2777063/detail.html
Winston-Salem Mayor To Remove Ten Commandments Monument
Councilman Installs Ten Commandments Monument At City Hall
WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. -- The Ten Commandments controversy landed on the
steps of Winston-Salem's City Hall Monday.
A city councilman had a 1-ton a monument installed while city workers
were off for the holiday. The Ten Commandments are listed on one side of
the monument and the Bill or Rights is listed on the other side.
Didn't roy-boy put his rock up when no one else was around? It's like
these people are ashamed of what they're doing or something.
Hm... doesn't the bible say something about people whose works are
committed in the dark?
And then there's one of the all-time top-ten ignored bits, where their
pet god says that anyone who does anything in public is doing it soley
for the admiration of other humans. Pubic prayer? Doing it to impress
humans. Posting the ten suggestions in public? Doing it to impress
humans. Killing others because of religion? Doing it to impress others.
The list goes on (and on, and on, and on...), but the bottom line is
clear: *every* christian act we see, bar none, are done to impress
humans. And they fail at it: I'm totally unimpressed.
Yeah, didn't that Jesus guy allegedly call people like that "hypocrites?"
Funny, they pay as much attention to the stuff that Jesus guy supposedly
said as I do...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: NC: city councilmember places 10 commandments at Winston-Salem city hall |
19 Jan 2004 07:30:53 PM |
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In article <400c1f1e$0$41286$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com>,
Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote:
Robinson said he had no permit or other authorization to place
the monument on public property. The $2,000 cost of buying and
moving the four-tall, blue-granite block was entirely his own,
said Robinson, who is running for a vacant U.S. House seat.
Hoo boy! Out in my neck of the woods. Just what we needed... Our very
own "Roy's Rock." Bleah...
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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