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Religions > Atheism |
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"Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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25 May 2005 12:26:06 AM |
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NeoCon Fred Stone: Iraqi Insurgents "Dying Out" |
Hey Fred, shut the ***** up.
Oh, and there is a difference between "defeatist" and being realistic.
***** NeoCons like you pretend nothing is wrong, that you "go with the
army you have, not the one you want", that it's okay to deny the
soldiers basic medical supplies. But somehow anyone who points out the
idiocy of the NeoCon war plan somehow "undermines" your Dear Leader's
war effort.
====================
"We are engaged in the endgame of a war, the dirty days of snuffing
out the last of the opposition. "
-Fred Stone 8/28/2003, on Iraq
"... the insurgents in Iraq are losing, where Iraq is not a quagmire,
because the vast majority of the people there are on the side of their
own free, democratic government."
-Fred Stone 4/24/2005, on Iraq
====================
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1646 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Fred Stone: Iraqi Insurgents "Dying Out" |
03 Jun 2005 12:38:30 AM |
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In article <1117537242.330c3f42553d65c1306554545ccd0398@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-0FDBDF.22002830052005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117461650.931eb1180539d6bd0ea68f598849a917@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-390AC2.00022929052005@news.giganews.com:
In article <12kf9196d2qsih7e60fmtit9bihv4ss1gf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 26 May 2005 03:04:29 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
Hey Fred, shut the ***** up.
Oh, and there is a difference between "defeatist" and being
realistic. ***** NeoCons like you pretend nothing is wrong,
that you "go with the army you have, not the one you want",
that it's okay to deny the soldiers basic medical supplies. But
somehow anyone who points out the idiocy of the NeoCon war plan
somehow "undermines" your Dear Leader's war effort.
====================
"We are engaged in the endgame of a war, the dirty days of
snuffing out the last of the opposition. "
-Fred Stone 8/28/2003, on Iraq
"... the insurgents in Iraq are losing, where Iraq is not a
quagmire, because the vast majority of the people there are on
the side of their own free, democratic government."
-Fred Stone 4/24/2005, on Iraq
====================
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/25/1414203 which
among other things says that the "U.S. Has Essentially Ceded
Control to Resistance
And the Los Angeles Times is reporting that the U.S. has
essentially ceded much of the Anbar province to the Iraqi
resistance. One unnamed military official said "[Commanders]
can't use the word, but we're withdrawing. Slowly, that's what
we're doing." "
That was apparent long ago. There are some 'fortified enclaves,'
but that's what's known as a "target rich environment" for the
Iraqi's fighting for their country.
They're not going to attack our fortified enclaves when they can go
after softer targets like the Iraqi government forces or our
convoys. Guerilla warfare 101 - attack the enemy where he is weak,
retreat and hide when he comes at you in strength. Our military
leaders still don't get it.
What a waste of resources, infrastructure, and lives.
No *****..
Fucking liberal morons, still losing the Vietnam war...
And short of nuking N. Vietnam and starting WW3, how do you think that
we might have won? The fucking morons are the ones who send our troops
to fight and die in unwinnable wars then and now.
By continuing to support South Vietnam. They had already defeated the VC
insurgency.
My point is that Iraq bears little to no resemblance to Vietnam (except
maybe to a superficial simpleminded liberal) but you keep making the
comparisons anyway.
Just how me where in this thread I compared Iraq to Vietnam before you
chimed in.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Fred Stone: Iraqi Insurgents "Dying Out" |
03 Jun 2005 07:00:52 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-74C0E0.22383002062005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117537242.330c3f42553d65c1306554545ccd0398@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-0FDBDF.22002830052005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117461650.931eb1180539d6bd0ea68f598849a917@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-390AC2.00022929052005@news.giganews.com:
In article <12kf9196d2qsih7e60fmtit9bihv4ss1gf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 26 May 2005 03:04:29 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
Hey Fred, shut the ***** up.
Oh, and there is a difference between "defeatist" and being
realistic. ***** NeoCons like you pretend nothing is wrong,
that you "go with the army you have, not the one you want",
that it's okay to deny the soldiers basic medical supplies.
But somehow anyone who points out the idiocy of the NeoCon
war plan somehow "undermines" your Dear Leader's war effort.
====================
"We are engaged in the endgame of a war, the dirty days of
snuffing out the last of the opposition. "
-Fred Stone 8/28/2003, on Iraq
"... the insurgents in Iraq are losing, where Iraq is not a
quagmire, because the vast majority of the people there are
on the side of their own free, democratic government."
-Fred Stone 4/24/2005, on Iraq
====================
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/25/1414203
which among other things says that the "U.S. Has Essentially
Ceded Control to Resistance
And the Los Angeles Times is reporting that the U.S. has
essentially ceded much of the Anbar province to the Iraqi
resistance. One unnamed military official said "[Commanders]
can't use the word, but we're withdrawing. Slowly, that's what
we're doing." "
That was apparent long ago. There are some 'fortified
enclaves,' but that's what's known as a "target rich
environment" for the Iraqi's fighting for their country.
They're not going to attack our fortified enclaves when they can
go after softer targets like the Iraqi government forces or our
convoys. Guerilla warfare 101 - attack the enemy where he is
weak, retreat and hide when he comes at you in strength. Our
military leaders still don't get it.
What a waste of resources, infrastructure, and lives.
No *****..
Fucking liberal morons, still losing the Vietnam war...
And short of nuking N. Vietnam and starting WW3, how do you think
that we might have won? The fucking morons are the ones who send
our troops to fight and die in unwinnable wars then and now.
By continuing to support South Vietnam. They had already defeated the
VC insurgency.
My point is that Iraq bears little to no resemblance to Vietnam
(except maybe to a superficial simpleminded liberal) but you keep
making the comparisons anyway.
Just how me where in this thread I compared Iraq to Vietnam before you
chimed in.
"Guerilla warfare 101"; as if we never learned how to defeat an
insurgency.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Even if the grass is greener on the other side,
they still have to cut it.
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Fred Stone: Iraqi Insurgents "Dying Out" |
03 Jun 2005 11:24:12 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-74C0E0.22383002062005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117537242.330c3f42553d65c1306554545ccd0398@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-0FDBDF.22002830052005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117461650.931eb1180539d6bd0ea68f598849a917@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-390AC2.00022929052005@news.giganews.com:
In article <12kf9196d2qsih7e60fmtit9bihv4ss1gf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 26 May 2005 03:04:29 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
Hey Fred, shut the ***** up.
Oh, and there is a difference between "defeatist" and being
realistic. ***** NeoCons like you pretend nothing is wrong,
that you "go with the army you have, not the one you want",
that it's okay to deny the soldiers basic medical supplies.
But somehow anyone who points out the idiocy of the NeoCon
war plan somehow "undermines" your Dear Leader's war effort.
====================
"We are engaged in the endgame of a war, the dirty days of
snuffing out the last of the opposition. "
-Fred Stone 8/28/2003, on Iraq
"... the insurgents in Iraq are losing, where Iraq is not a
quagmire, because the vast majority of the people there are
on the side of their own free, democratic government."
-Fred Stone 4/24/2005, on Iraq
====================
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/25/1414203
which among other things says that the "U.S. Has Essentially
Ceded Control to Resistance
And the Los Angeles Times is reporting that the U.S. has
essentially ceded much of the Anbar province to the Iraqi
resistance. One unnamed military official said "[Commanders]
can't use the word, but we're withdrawing. Slowly, that's what
we're doing." "
That was apparent long ago. There are some 'fortified
enclaves,' but that's what's known as a "target rich
environment" for the Iraqi's fighting for their country.
They're not going to attack our fortified enclaves when they can
go after softer targets like the Iraqi government forces or our
convoys. Guerilla warfare 101 - attack the enemy where he is
weak, retreat and hide when he comes at you in strength. Our
military leaders still don't get it.
What a waste of resources, infrastructure, and lives.
No *****..
Fucking liberal morons, still losing the Vietnam war...
And short of nuking N. Vietnam and starting WW3, how do you think
that we might have won? The fucking morons are the ones who send
our troops to fight and die in unwinnable wars then and now.
By continuing to support South Vietnam. They had already defeated the
VC insurgency.
My point is that Iraq bears little to no resemblance to Vietnam
(except maybe to a superficial simpleminded liberal) but you keep
making the comparisons anyway.
Just how me where in this thread I compared Iraq to Vietnam before you
chimed in.
"Guerilla warfare 101"; as if we never learned how to defeat an
insurgency.
Like Vietnam?
Like El Salvador where the insurgency essentially won?
Like Iraq where the insurgents kill almost at will?
Like Afghanistan where the insurgents are again
killing and growing opium at will, and in some cases
controlling large areas outside the cities?
Like Lebanon, where Reagan got a bunch of people
killed and then cut and ran?
Somalia?
We aided and abetted the Khmer Rouge insurgency
in Cambodia for ten years.
Really, you aren't going to actually think, are you?
--
When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Fred Stone: Iraqi Insurgents "Dying Out" |
03 Jun 2005 12:30:27 PM |
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wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in
news:11a10m8km0ursb3@corp.supernews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-74C0E0.22383002062005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117537242.330c3f42553d65c1306554545ccd0398@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-0FDBDF.22002830052005@news.giganews.com:
In article
<1117461650.931eb1180539d6bd0ea68f598849a917@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-390AC2.00022929052005@news.giganews.com:
In article <12kf9196d2qsih7e60fmtit9bihv4ss1gf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 26 May 2005 03:04:29 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
Hey Fred, shut the ***** up.
Oh, and there is a difference between "defeatist" and
being realistic. ***** NeoCons like you pretend nothing is
wrong, that you "go with the army you have, not the one
you want", that it's okay to deny the soldiers basic
medical supplies. But somehow anyone who points out the
idiocy of the NeoCon war plan somehow "undermines" your
Dear Leader's war effort.
====================
"We are engaged in the endgame of a war, the dirty days of
snuffing out the last of the opposition. "
-Fred Stone 8/28/2003, on Iraq
"... the insurgents in Iraq are losing, where Iraq is not
a quagmire, because the vast majority of the people there
are on the side of their own free, democratic government."
-Fred Stone 4/24/2005, on Iraq
====================
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/25/1414203
which among other things says that the "U.S. Has
Essentially Ceded Control to Resistance
And the Los Angeles Times is reporting that the U.S. has
essentially ceded much of the Anbar province to the Iraqi
resistance. One unnamed military official said "[Commanders]
can't use the word, but we're withdrawing. Slowly, that's
what we're doing." "
That was apparent long ago. There are some 'fortified
enclaves,' but that's what's known as a "target rich
environment" for the Iraqi's fighting for their country.
They're not going to attack our fortified enclaves when they
can go after softer targets like the Iraqi government forces
or our convoys. Guerilla warfare 101 - attack the enemy where
he is weak, retreat and hide when he comes at you in strength.
Our military leaders still don't get it.
What a waste of resources, infrastructure, and lives.
No *****..
Fucking liberal morons, still losing the Vietnam war...
And short of nuking N. Vietnam and starting WW3, how do you think
that we might have won? The fucking morons are the ones who send
our troops to fight and die in unwinnable wars then and now.
By continuing to support South Vietnam. They had already defeated
the VC insurgency.
My point is that Iraq bears little to no resemblance to Vietnam
(except maybe to a superficial simpleminded liberal) but you keep
making the comparisons anyway.
Just how me where in this thread I compared Iraq to Vietnam before
you chimed in.
"Guerilla warfare 101"; as if we never learned how to defeat an
insurgency.
Like Vietnam?
Like Vietnam where we did in fact defeat the Viet Cong.
Like El Salvador where the insurgency essentially won?
You mean after Clinton withdrew support?
Like Iraq where the insurgents kill almost at will?
Like Iraq where the insurgents are losing support with the populace
*because* they kill at random. Like Iraq which has held multiethnic
multiparty democratic elections?
Like Afghanistan where the insurgents are again
killing and growing opium at will, and in some cases
controlling large areas outside the cities?
Like Afghanistan where the insurgents are basically defeated and the
government is cracking down on opium production.
Like Lebanon, where Reagan got a bunch of people
killed and then cut and ran?
Like Lebanon which has just tossed out the Syrians and elected the son
of the assassinated anti-Syrian leader?
Somalia?
Where we were hamstrung by our "cooperation" with the UN?
We aided and abetted the Khmer Rouge insurgency
in Cambodia for ten years.
Umm, no, we didn't.
Really, you aren't going to actually think, are you?
Look who's talking.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Even if the grass is greener on the other side,
they still have to cut it.
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Fred Stone: Iraqi Insurgents "Dying Out" |
03 Jun 2005 04:57:59 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in
news:11a10m8km0ursb3@corp.supernews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-74C0E0.22383002062005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117537242.330c3f42553d65c1306554545ccd0398@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-0FDBDF.22002830052005@news.giganews.com:
In article
<1117461650.931eb1180539d6bd0ea68f598849a917@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-390AC2.00022929052005@news.giganews.com:
In article <12kf9196d2qsih7e60fmtit9bihv4ss1gf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 26 May 2005 03:04:29 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
Hey Fred, shut the ***** up.
Oh, and there is a difference between "defeatist" and
being realistic. ***** NeoCons like you pretend nothing is
wrong, that you "go with the army you have, not the one
you want", that it's okay to deny the soldiers basic
medical supplies. But somehow anyone who points out the
idiocy of the NeoCon war plan somehow "undermines" your
Dear Leader's war effort.
====================
"We are engaged in the endgame of a war, the dirty days of
snuffing out the last of the opposition. "
-Fred Stone 8/28/2003, on Iraq
"... the insurgents in Iraq are losing, where Iraq is not
a quagmire, because the vast majority of the people there
are on the side of their own free, democratic government."
-Fred Stone 4/24/2005, on Iraq
====================
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/25/1414203
which among other things says that the "U.S. Has
Essentially Ceded Control to Resistance
And the Los Angeles Times is reporting that the U.S. has
essentially ceded much of the Anbar province to the Iraqi
resistance. One unnamed military official said "[Commanders]
can't use the word, but we're withdrawing. Slowly, that's
what we're doing." "
That was apparent long ago. There are some 'fortified
enclaves,' but that's what's known as a "target rich
environment" for the Iraqi's fighting for their country.
They're not going to attack our fortified enclaves when they
can go after softer targets like the Iraqi government forces
or our convoys. Guerilla warfare 101 - attack the enemy where
he is weak, retreat and hide when he comes at you in strength.
Our military leaders still don't get it.
What a waste of resources, infrastructure, and lives.
No *****..
Fucking liberal morons, still losing the Vietnam war...
And short of nuking N. Vietnam and starting WW3, how do you think
that we might have won? The fucking morons are the ones who send
our troops to fight and die in unwinnable wars then and now.
By continuing to support South Vietnam. They had already defeated
the VC insurgency.
My point is that Iraq bears little to no resemblance to Vietnam
(except maybe to a superficial simpleminded liberal) but you keep
making the comparisons anyway.
Just how me where in this thread I compared Iraq to Vietnam before
you chimed in.
"Guerilla warfare 101"; as if we never learned how to defeat an
insurgency.
Like Vietnam?
Like Vietnam where we did in fact defeat the Viet Cong.
No, not really.
Like El Salvador where the insurgency essentially won?
You mean after Clinton withdrew support?
No dumbass. The government simply could not destroy
the insurgency and gave up.
The goverment realized the leftists were at a disadvantage
with elections and signed a peace treaty anfd let them run for office.
Damn art you ignorant!
Like Iraq where the insurgents kill almost at will?
Like Iraq where the insurgents are losing support with the populace
*because* they kill at random. Like Iraq which has held multiethnic
multiparty democratic elections?
They kill at will. They are nowhere near defeated.
Like Afghanistan where the insurgents are again
killing and growing opium at will, and in some cases
controlling large areas outside the cities?
Like Afghanistan where the insurgents are basically defeated and the
government is cracking down on opium production.
No, outside the cities, the Islamists rule in many places.
See the New York Times for details.
Your are pig ignorant to a startling degree.
Like Lebanon, where Reagan got a bunch of people
killed and then cut and ran?
Like Lebanon which has just tossed out the Syrians and elected the son
of the assassinated anti-Syrian leader?
Lebanon, where Reagan cut and ran.
The guerillas drove Israel out.
And the threat of action against the Syrians
forced the Syrians to withdraw lest they
become the new targets.
Again, you are incredibly, totally ignorant.
Somalia?
Where we were hamstrung by our "cooperation" with the UN?
There was a big meeting where heads of clans tried to reason with heads of
clans that were the problem. The US bombed the meeting place killing many
peoople including our allies.
The remainder turned against us totally and there was
no hope front that day as now all clans were our sworn enemies.
Clinton bailed on Bush's Somalia adventure,
which is good. The USAF sank any hope of victory.
You are so stupid it hurts to contemplate just how stupid and ill informed
you really are.
You know nothing.
We aided and abetted the Khmer Rouge insurgency
in Cambodia for ten years.
Umm, no, we didn't.
Yes, we did. Reagan demanded Cambodia's Khmer Rouge be seated as official
UN delegation of Cambodia and teh KR governmemnt be considered teh
government of note.
Reagan had the CIA smuggle $85 billionin aid to Pol Pots troops and winked
as China rearmed them. For years aid was sent via
the US to Pol Pots Khmer Rouge jungle army.
If you haven't been smart enough by now to know that
as many times as I have mentioned it, and have been too
intellectually lazy and stupid to catch it as it happened,
and too damned far right stupid to look up teh facts, you are obvious by
your failures to even care, stupid.
Proven stupid.
Willfully srtupid.
Intellectually incompetent and dishonest and
lazy.
You are ineducatable stupid.
Willfully stupid and you will die stupid.
Really, you aren't going to actually think, are you?
Look who's talking.
--
When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Fred Stone: Iraqi Insurgents "Dying Out" |
03 Jun 2005 04:58:13 PM |
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In article <11a1k81qlciavd8@corp.supernews.com> writes:
Fred Stone wrote:
{...}
Like Vietnam where we did in fact defeat the Viet Cong.
No, not really.
Well, we did. In fact, you probably remember that
iconic photo of the victory parade. You know,
the one with helicopter and the stairs.
-- cary
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Fred Stone: Iraqi Insurgents "Dying Out" |
03 Jun 2005 05:46:03 PM |
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(Cary Kittrell) wrote in
news:d7qjpl$qbn$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
In article <11a1k81qlciavd8@corp.supernews.com>
wbarwell@mylinuxisp.comx writes:
Fred Stone wrote:
{...}
Like Vietnam where we did in fact defeat the Viet Cong.
No, not really.
Well, we did.
Yes, we did. We defeated the Viet Cong insurgency.
In fact, you probably remember that
iconic photo of the victory parade. You know,
the one with helicopter and the stairs.
The NVA regulars continued the fight, and we were too politically
hamstrung by the Democrats in Congress after Watergate to take the war
to North Vietnam.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Even if the grass is greener on the other side,
they still have to cut it.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Fred Stone: Iraqi Insurgents "Dying Out" |
03 Jun 2005 05:42:19 PM |
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wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in
news:11a1k81qlciavd8@corp.supernews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in
news:11a10m8km0ursb3@corp.supernews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-74C0E0.22383002062005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117537242.330c3f42553d65c1306554545ccd0398@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-0FDBDF.22002830052005@news.giganews.com:
In article
<1117461650.931eb1180539d6bd0ea68f598849a917@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-390AC2.00022929052005@news.giganews.com:
In article <12kf9196d2qsih7e60fmtit9bihv4ss1gf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 26 May 2005 03:04:29 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****
wrote:
Hey Fred, shut the ***** up.
Oh, and there is a difference between "defeatist" and
being realistic. ***** NeoCons like you pretend nothing
is wrong, that you "go with the army you have, not the
one you want", that it's okay to deny the soldiers basic
medical supplies. But somehow anyone who points out the
idiocy of the NeoCon war plan somehow "undermines" your
Dear Leader's war effort.
====================
"We are engaged in the endgame of a war, the dirty days
of snuffing out the last of the opposition. "
-Fred Stone 8/28/2003, on Iraq
"... the insurgents in Iraq are losing, where Iraq is
not a quagmire, because the vast majority of the people
there are on the side of their own free, democratic
government."
-Fred Stone 4/24/2005, on Iraq
====================
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=
05/05/25/1414203
which among other things says that the "U.S. Has
Essentially Ceded Control to Resistance
And the Los Angeles Times is reporting that the U.S. has
essentially ceded much of the Anbar province to the Iraqi
resistance. One unnamed military official said
"[Commanders] can't use the word, but we're withdrawing.
Slowly, that's what we're doing." "
That was apparent long ago. There are some 'fortified
enclaves,' but that's what's known as a "target rich
environment" for the Iraqi's fighting for their country.
They're not going to attack our fortified enclaves when they
can go after softer targets like the Iraqi government forces
or our convoys. Guerilla warfare 101 - attack the enemy
where he is weak, retreat and hide when he comes at you in
strength.
Our military leaders still don't get it.
What a waste of resources, infrastructure, and lives.
No *****..
Fucking liberal morons, still losing the Vietnam war...
And short of nuking N. Vietnam and starting WW3, how do you
think that we might have won? The fucking morons are the ones
who send our troops to fight and die in unwinnable wars then
and now.
By continuing to support South Vietnam. They had already defeated
the VC insurgency.
My point is that Iraq bears little to no resemblance to Vietnam
(except maybe to a superficial simpleminded liberal) but you keep
making the comparisons anyway.
Just how me where in this thread I compared Iraq to Vietnam before
you chimed in.
"Guerilla warfare 101"; as if we never learned how to defeat an
insurgency.
Like Vietnam?
Like Vietnam where we did in fact defeat the Viet Cong.
No, not really.
Yes, really.
Like El Salvador where the insurgency essentially won?
You mean after Clinton withdrew support?
No dumbass. The government simply could not destroy
the insurgency and gave up.
Because Clinton withdrew support.
The goverment realized the leftists were at a disadvantage
with elections and signed a peace treaty anfd let them run for office.
So they didn't win. They quit fighting and became part of the political
process.
Damn art you ignorant!
Damn are you gullible.
Like Iraq where the insurgents kill almost at will?
Like Iraq where the insurgents are losing support with the populace
*because* they kill at random. Like Iraq which has held multiethnic
multiparty democratic elections?
They kill at will. They are nowhere near defeated.
Not "at will". They don't dare to strike at US or Iraqi military. They
hit civilians.
Like Afghanistan where the insurgents are again
killing and growing opium at will, and in some cases
controlling large areas outside the cities?
Like Afghanistan where the insurgents are basically defeated and the
government is cracking down on opium production.
No, outside the cities, the Islamists rule in many places.
They're not the insurgents. Nice way to move the goalposts.
See the New York Times for details.
Sorry, the New York Times is not a credible source.
Your are pig ignorant to a startling degree.
You are sheep-gullible.
Like Lebanon, where Reagan got a bunch of people
killed and then cut and ran?
Like Lebanon which has just tossed out the Syrians and elected the
son of the assassinated anti-Syrian leader?
Lebanon, where Reagan cut and ran.
The guerillas drove Israel out.
And the threat of action against the Syrians
forced the Syrians to withdraw lest they
become the new targets.
So Bush's mideast initiatives had some good effect?
Again, you are incredibly, totally ignorant.
Again, you are a gullible fool.
<snip the rest of this irrelevant revisionist historical fantasy>
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Even if the grass is greener on the other side,
they still have to cut it.
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Fred Stone: Iraqi Insurgents "Dying Out" |
04 Jun 2005 01:50:51 AM |
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In article <1117800052.f5cd086a400f48af2730e30757636b0b@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-74C0E0.22383002062005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117537242.330c3f42553d65c1306554545ccd0398@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-0FDBDF.22002830052005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117461650.931eb1180539d6bd0ea68f598849a917@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-390AC2.00022929052005@news.giganews.com:
In article <12kf9196d2qsih7e60fmtit9bihv4ss1gf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 26 May 2005 03:04:29 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
Hey Fred, shut the ***** up.
Oh, and there is a difference between "defeatist" and being
realistic. ***** NeoCons like you pretend nothing is wrong,
that you "go with the army you have, not the one you want",
that it's okay to deny the soldiers basic medical supplies.
But somehow anyone who points out the idiocy of the NeoCon
war plan somehow "undermines" your Dear Leader's war effort.
====================
"We are engaged in the endgame of a war, the dirty days of
snuffing out the last of the opposition. "
-Fred Stone 8/28/2003, on Iraq
"... the insurgents in Iraq are losing, where Iraq is not a
quagmire, because the vast majority of the people there are
on the side of their own free, democratic government."
-Fred Stone 4/24/2005, on Iraq
====================
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/25/1414203
which among other things says that the "U.S. Has Essentially
Ceded Control to Resistance
And the Los Angeles Times is reporting that the U.S. has
essentially ceded much of the Anbar province to the Iraqi
resistance. One unnamed military official said "[Commanders]
can't use the word, but we're withdrawing. Slowly, that's what
we're doing." "
That was apparent long ago. There are some 'fortified
enclaves,' but that's what's known as a "target rich
environment" for the Iraqi's fighting for their country.
They're not going to attack our fortified enclaves when they can
go after softer targets like the Iraqi government forces or our
convoys. Guerilla warfare 101 - attack the enemy where he is
weak, retreat and hide when he comes at you in strength. Our
military leaders still don't get it.
What a waste of resources, infrastructure, and lives.
No *****..
Fucking liberal morons, still losing the Vietnam war...
And short of nuking N. Vietnam and starting WW3, how do you think
that we might have won? The fucking morons are the ones who send
our troops to fight and die in unwinnable wars then and now.
By continuing to support South Vietnam. They had already defeated the
VC insurgency.
My point is that Iraq bears little to no resemblance to Vietnam
(except maybe to a superficial simpleminded liberal) but you keep
making the comparisons anyway.
Just how me where in this thread I compared Iraq to Vietnam before you
chimed in.
"Guerilla warfare 101"; as if we never learned how to defeat an
insurgency.
I made a generic statement about guerilla warfare. I did not
specifically mention Vietnam. You do know how to read don't you?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Fred Stone: Iraqi Insurgents "Dying Out" |
04 Jun 2005 06:16:40 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-CFFCF7.23505103062005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117800052.f5cd086a400f48af2730e30757636b0b@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-74C0E0.22383002062005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117537242.330c3f42553d65c1306554545ccd0398@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-0FDBDF.22002830052005@news.giganews.com:
In article
<1117461650.931eb1180539d6bd0ea68f598849a917@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-390AC2.00022929052005@news.giganews.com:
In article <12kf9196d2qsih7e60fmtit9bihv4ss1gf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 26 May 2005 03:04:29 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****
wrote:
Hey Fred, shut the ***** up.
Oh, and there is a difference between "defeatist" and
being realistic. ***** NeoCons like you pretend nothing
is wrong, that you "go with the army you have, not the
one you want", that it's okay to deny the soldiers basic
medical supplies. But somehow anyone who points out the
idiocy of the NeoCon war plan somehow "undermines" your
Dear Leader's war effort.
====================
"We are engaged in the endgame of a war, the dirty days
of snuffing out the last of the opposition. "
-Fred Stone 8/28/2003, on Iraq
"... the insurgents in Iraq are losing, where Iraq is not
a quagmire, because the vast majority of the people there
are on the side of their own free, democratic
government."
-Fred Stone 4/24/2005, on Iraq
====================
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/25/1414203
which among other things says that the "U.S. Has
Essentially Ceded Control to Resistance
And the Los Angeles Times is reporting that the U.S. has
essentially ceded much of the Anbar province to the Iraqi
resistance. One unnamed military official said
"[Commanders] can't use the word, but we're withdrawing.
Slowly, that's what we're doing." "
That was apparent long ago. There are some 'fortified
enclaves,' but that's what's known as a "target rich
environment" for the Iraqi's fighting for their country.
They're not going to attack our fortified enclaves when they
can go after softer targets like the Iraqi government forces
or our convoys. Guerilla warfare 101 - attack the enemy where
he is weak, retreat and hide when he comes at you in
strength. Our military leaders still don't get it.
What a waste of resources, infrastructure, and lives.
No *****..
Fucking liberal morons, still losing the Vietnam war...
And short of nuking N. Vietnam and starting WW3, how do you
think that we might have won? The fucking morons are the ones
who send our troops to fight and die in unwinnable wars then and
now.
By continuing to support South Vietnam. They had already defeated
the VC insurgency.
My point is that Iraq bears little to no resemblance to Vietnam
(except maybe to a superficial simpleminded liberal) but you keep
making the comparisons anyway.
Just how me where in this thread I compared Iraq to Vietnam before
you chimed in.
"Guerilla warfare 101"; as if we never learned how to defeat an
insurgency.
I made a generic statement about guerilla warfare. I did not
specifically mention Vietnam. You do know how to read don't you?
I drew an analogy. *You* do understand analogies, don't you?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Even if the grass is greener on the other side,
they still have to cut it.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Fred Stone: Iraqi Insurgents "Dying Out" |
31 May 2005 11:55:46 PM |
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In article <1117537242.330c3f42553d65c1306554545ccd0398@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-0FDBDF.22002830052005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117461650.931eb1180539d6bd0ea68f598849a917@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-390AC2.00022929052005@news.giganews.com:
In article <12kf9196d2qsih7e60fmtit9bihv4ss1gf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 26 May 2005 03:04:29 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
Hey Fred, shut the ***** up.
Oh, and there is a difference between "defeatist" and being
realistic. ***** NeoCons like you pretend nothing is wrong,
that you "go with the army you have, not the one you want",
that it's okay to deny the soldiers basic medical supplies. But
somehow anyone who points out the idiocy of the NeoCon war plan
somehow "undermines" your Dear Leader's war effort.
====================
"We are engaged in the endgame of a war, the dirty days of
snuffing out the last of the opposition. "
-Fred Stone 8/28/2003, on Iraq
"... the insurgents in Iraq are losing, where Iraq is not a
quagmire, because the vast majority of the people there are on
the side of their own free, democratic government."
-Fred Stone 4/24/2005, on Iraq
====================
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/25/1414203 which
among other things says that the "U.S. Has Essentially Ceded
Control to Resistance
And the Los Angeles Times is reporting that the U.S. has
essentially ceded much of the Anbar province to the Iraqi
resistance. One unnamed military official said "[Commanders]
can't use the word, but we're withdrawing. Slowly, that's what
we're doing." "
That was apparent long ago. There are some 'fortified enclaves,'
but that's what's known as a "target rich environment" for the
Iraqi's fighting for their country.
They're not going to attack our fortified enclaves when they can go
after softer targets like the Iraqi government forces or our
convoys. Guerilla warfare 101 - attack the enemy where he is weak,
retreat and hide when he comes at you in strength. Our military
leaders still don't get it.
What a waste of resources, infrastructure, and lives.
No *****..
Fucking liberal morons, still losing the Vietnam war...
And short of nuking N. Vietnam and starting WW3, how do you think that
we might have won? The fucking morons are the ones who send our troops
to fight and die in unwinnable wars then and now.
By continuing to support South Vietnam. They had already defeated the VC
insurgency.
After Tet, the North took a leading role in the civil war. The NVA
supplanted the VC.
My point is that Iraq bears little to no resemblance to Vietnam (except
maybe to a superficial simpleminded liberal) but you keep making the
comparisons anyway.
There are some similarities and differences. In my post, I said nothing
about Vietnam. You insist on trying to put words in other people's
mouths which only makes you look stupid.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Fred Stone: Iraqi Insurgents "Dying Out" |
01 Jun 2005 06:42:56 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E9CBB2.21554531052005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117537242.330c3f42553d65c1306554545ccd0398@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-0FDBDF.22002830052005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117461650.931eb1180539d6bd0ea68f598849a917@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-390AC2.00022929052005@news.giganews.com:
In article <12kf9196d2qsih7e60fmtit9bihv4ss1gf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 26 May 2005 03:04:29 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
Hey Fred, shut the ***** up.
Oh, and there is a difference between "defeatist" and being
realistic. ***** NeoCons like you pretend nothing is wrong,
that you "go with the army you have, not the one you want",
that it's okay to deny the soldiers basic medical supplies.
But somehow anyone who points out the idiocy of the NeoCon
war plan somehow "undermines" your Dear Leader's war effort.
====================
"We are engaged in the endgame of a war, the dirty days of
snuffing out the last of the opposition. "
-Fred Stone 8/28/2003, on Iraq
"... the insurgents in Iraq are losing, where Iraq is not a
quagmire, because the vast majority of the people there are
on the side of their own free, democratic government."
-Fred Stone 4/24/2005, on Iraq
====================
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/25/1414203
which among other things says that the "U.S. Has Essentially
Ceded Control to Resistance
And the Los Angeles Times is reporting that the U.S. has
essentially ceded much of the Anbar province to the Iraqi
resistance. One unnamed military official said "[Commanders]
can't use the word, but we're withdrawing. Slowly, that's what
we're doing." "
That was apparent long ago. There are some 'fortified
enclaves,' but that's what's known as a "target rich
environment" for the Iraqi's fighting for their country.
They're not going to attack our fortified enclaves when they can
go after softer targets like the Iraqi government forces or our
convoys. Guerilla warfare 101 - attack the enemy where he is
weak, retreat and hide when he comes at you in strength. Our
military leaders still don't get it.
What a waste of resources, infrastructure, and lives.
No *****..
Fucking liberal morons, still losing the Vietnam war...
And short of nuking N. Vietnam and starting WW3, how do you think
that we might have won? The fucking morons are the ones who send
our troops to fight and die in unwinnable wars then and now.
By continuing to support South Vietnam. They had already defeated the
VC insurgency.
After Tet, the North took a leading role in the civil war. The NVA
supplanted the VC.
Then it wasn't a civil war any more.
My point is that Iraq bears little to no resemblance to Vietnam
(except maybe to a superficial simpleminded liberal) but you keep
making the comparisons anyway.
There are some similarities and differences. In my post, I said
nothing about Vietnam. You insist on trying to put words in other
people's mouths which only makes you look stupid.
See this mirror?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Even if the grass is greener on the other side,
they still have to cut it.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Fred Stone: Iraqi Insurgents "Dying Out" |
02 Jun 2005 12:42:48 AM |
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In article <1117626176.058702b4d2446b99a18d144b2c900830@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E9CBB2.21554531052005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117537242.330c3f42553d65c1306554545ccd0398@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-0FDBDF.22002830052005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117461650.931eb1180539d6bd0ea68f598849a917@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-390AC2.00022929052005@news.giganews.com:
In article <12kf9196d2qsih7e60fmtit9bihv4ss1gf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 26 May 2005 03:04:29 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
Hey Fred, shut the ***** up.
Oh, and there is a difference between "defeatist" and being
realistic. ***** NeoCons like you pretend nothing is wrong,
that you "go with the army you have, not the one you want",
that it's okay to deny the soldiers basic medical supplies.
But somehow anyone who points out the idiocy of the NeoCon
war plan somehow "undermines" your Dear Leader's war effort.
====================
"We are engaged in the endgame of a war, the dirty days of
snuffing out the last of the opposition. "
-Fred Stone 8/28/2003, on Iraq
"... the insurgents in Iraq are losing, where Iraq is not a
quagmire, because the vast majority of the people there are
on the side of their own free, democratic government."
-Fred Stone 4/24/2005, on Iraq
====================
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/25/1414203
which among other things says that the "U.S. Has Essentially
Ceded Control to Resistance
And the Los Angeles Times is reporting that the U.S. has
essentially ceded much of the Anbar province to the Iraqi
resistance. One unnamed military official said "[Commanders]
can't use the word, but we're withdrawing. Slowly, that's what
we're doing." "
That was apparent long ago. There are some 'fortified
enclaves,' but that's what's known as a "target rich
environment" for the Iraqi's fighting for their country.
They're not going to attack our fortified enclaves when they can
go after softer targets like the Iraqi government forces or our
convoys. Guerilla warfare 101 - attack the enemy where he is
weak, retreat and hide when he comes at you in strength. Our
military leaders still don't get it.
What a waste of resources, infrastructure, and lives.
No *****..
Fucking liberal morons, still losing the Vietnam war...
And short of nuking N. Vietnam and starting WW3, how do you think
that we might have won? The fucking morons are the ones who send
our troops to fight and die in unwinnable wars then and now.
By continuing to support South Vietnam. They had already defeated the
VC insurgency.
After Tet, the North took a leading role in the civil war. The NVA
supplanted the VC.
Then it wasn't a civil war any more.
Until the French were defeated and arbitrarily divided the country into
North and South, Vietnam was and is now again one country. As far as Ho
Chi Minh was concerned, it was a civil war to reunite his country. Go
and read the history of the conflict starting with the French
colonization of Indochina.
My point is that Iraq bears little to no resemblance to Vietnam
(except maybe to a superficial simpleminded liberal) but you keep
making the comparisons anyway.
There are some similarities and differences. In my post, I said
nothing about Vietnam. You insist on trying to put words in other
people's mouths which only makes you look stupid.
See this mirror?
When do I put words in your mouth?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Fred Stone: Iraqi Insurgents "Dying Out" |
02 Jun 2005 06:14:36 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E26643.22424801062005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117626176.058702b4d2446b99a18d144b2c900830@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E9CBB2.21554531052005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117537242.330c3f42553d65c1306554545ccd0398@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-0FDBDF.22002830052005@news.giganews.com:
In article
<1117461650.931eb1180539d6bd0ea68f598849a917@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-390AC2.00022929052005@news.giganews.com:
In article <12kf9196d2qsih7e60fmtit9bihv4ss1gf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 26 May 2005 03:04:29 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****
wrote:
Hey Fred, shut the ***** up.
Oh, and there is a difference between "defeatist" and
being realistic. ***** NeoCons like you pretend nothing
is wrong, that you "go with the army you have, not the
one you want", that it's okay to deny the soldiers basic
medical supplies. But somehow anyone who points out the
idiocy of the NeoCon war plan somehow "undermines" your
Dear Leader's war effort.
====================
"We are engaged in the endgame of a war, the dirty days
of snuffing out the last of the opposition. "
-Fred Stone 8/28/2003, on Iraq
"... the insurgents in Iraq are losing, where Iraq is not
a quagmire, because the vast majority of the people there
are on the side of their own free, democratic
government."
-Fred Stone 4/24/2005, on Iraq
====================
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/25/1414203
which among other things says that the "U.S. Has
Essentially Ceded Control to Resistance
And the Los Angeles Times is reporting that the U.S. has
essentially ceded much of the Anbar province to the Iraqi
resistance. One unnamed military official said
"[Commanders] can't use the word, but we're withdrawing.
Slowly, that's what we're doing." "
That was apparent long ago. There are some 'fortified
enclaves,' but that's what's known as a "target rich
environment" for the Iraqi's fighting for their country.
They're not going to attack our fortified enclaves when they
can go after softer targets like the Iraqi government forces
or our convoys. Guerilla warfare 101 - attack the enemy where
he is weak, retreat and hide when he comes at you in
strength. Our military leaders still don't get it.
What a waste of resources, infrastructure, and lives.
No *****..
Fucking liberal morons, still losing the Vietnam war...
And short of nuking N. Vietnam and starting WW3, how do you
think that we might have won? The fucking morons are the ones
who send our troops to fight and die in unwinnable wars then and
now.
By continuing to support South Vietnam. They had already defeated
the VC insurgency.
After Tet, the North took a leading role in the civil war. The NVA
supplanted the VC.
Then it wasn't a civil war any more.
Until the French were defeated and arbitrarily divided the country
into North and South, Vietnam was and is now again one country. As far
as Ho Chi Minh was concerned, it was a civil war to reunite his
country.
So you take Uncle Ho's opinion as your own?
Go and read the history of the conflict starting with the
French colonization of Indochina.
I'm quite familiar with the history, including all the things that
haven't happened in Iraq.
My point is that Iraq bears little to no resemblance to Vietnam
(except maybe to a superficial simpleminded liberal) but you keep
making the comparisons anyway.
There are some similarities and differences. In my post, I said
nothing about Vietnam. You insist on trying to put words in other
people's mouths which only makes you look stupid.
See this mirror?
When do I put words in your mouth?
Frequently.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Even if the grass is greener on the other side,
they still have to cut it.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Fred Stone: Iraqi Insurgents "Dying Out" |
03 Jun 2005 12:42:32 AM |
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In article <1117710876.a3d82823e70f54cedd9b1086c13ed08a@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E26643.22424801062005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117626176.058702b4d2446b99a18d144b2c900830@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E9CBB2.21554531052005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117537242.330c3f42553d65c1306554545ccd0398@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-0FDBDF.22002830052005@news.giganews.com:
In article
<1117461650.931eb1180539d6bd0ea68f598849a917@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-390AC2.00022929052005@news.giganews.com:
In article <12kf9196d2qsih7e60fmtit9bihv4ss1gf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 26 May 2005 03:04:29 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****
wrote:
Hey Fred, shut the ***** up.
Oh, and there is a difference between "defeatist" and
being realistic. ***** NeoCons like you pretend nothing
is wrong, that you "go with the army you have, not the
one you want", that it's okay to deny the soldiers basic
medical supplies. But somehow anyone who points out the
idiocy of the NeoCon war plan somehow "undermines" your
Dear Leader's war effort.
====================
"We are engaged in the endgame of a war, the dirty days
of snuffing out the last of the opposition. "
-Fred Stone 8/28/2003, on Iraq
"... the insurgents in Iraq are losing, where Iraq is not
a quagmire, because the vast majority of the people there
are on the side of their own free, democratic
government."
-Fred Stone 4/24/2005, on Iraq
====================
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/25/1414203
which among other things says that the "U.S. Has
Essentially Ceded Control to Resistance
And the Los Angeles Times is reporting that the U.S. has
essentially ceded much of the Anbar province to the Iraqi
resistance. One unnamed military official said
"[Commanders] can't use the word, but we're withdrawing.
Slowly, that's what we're doing." "
That was apparent long ago. There are some 'fortified
enclaves,' but that's what's known as a "target rich
environment" for the Iraqi's fighting for their country.
They're not going to attack our fortified enclaves when they
can go after softer targets like the Iraqi government forces
or our convoys. Guerilla warfare 101 - attack the enemy where
he is weak, retreat and hide when he comes at you in
strength. Our military leaders still don't get it.
What a waste of resources, infrastructure, and lives.
No *****..
Fucking liberal morons, still losing the Vietnam war...
And short of nuking N. Vietnam and starting WW3, how do you
think that we might have won? The fucking morons are the ones
who send our troops to fight and die in unwinnable wars then and
now.
By continuing to support South Vietnam. They had already defeated
the VC insurgency.
After Tet, the North took a leading role in the civil war. The NVA
supplanted the VC.
Then it wasn't a civil war any more.
Until the French were defeated and arbitrarily divided the country
into North and South, Vietnam was and is now again one country. As far
as Ho Chi Minh was concerned, it was a civil war to reunite his
country.
So you take Uncle Ho's opinion as your own?
I'll take history's opinion.
Go and read the history of the conflict starting with the
French colonization of Indochina.
I'm quite familiar with the history, including all the things that
haven't happened in Iraq.
Obviously not.
My point is that Iraq bears little to no resemblance to Vietnam
(except maybe to a superficial simpleminded liberal) but you keep
making the comparisons anyway.
There are some similarities and differences. In my post, I said
nothing about Vietnam. You insist on trying to put words in other
people's mouths which only makes you look stupid.
See this mirror?
When do I put words in your mouth?
Frequently.
LOL! You lie more that Dubya!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Fred Stone: Iraqi Insurgents "Dying Out" |
06 Jun 2005 09:47:52 AM |
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On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 22:42:32 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <1117710876.a3d82823e70f54cedd9b1086c13ed08a@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E26643.22424801062005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117626176.058702b4d2446b99a18d144b2c900830@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E9CBB2.21554531052005@news.giganews.com:
[]
My point is that Iraq bears little to no resemblance to Vietnam
(except maybe to a superficial simpleminded liberal) but you keep
making the comparisons anyway.
There are some similarities and differences. In my post, I said
nothing about Vietnam. You insist on trying to put words in other
people's mouths which only makes you look stupid.
See this mirror?
When do I put words in your mouth?
Frequently.
LOL! You lie more that Dubya!
<blink> Is that possible?
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Fred Stone: Iraqi Insurgents "Dying Out" |
03 Jun 2005 07:02:48 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-D8EC69.22423202062005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117710876.a3d82823e70f54cedd9b1086c13ed08a@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E26643.22424801062005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117626176.058702b4d2446b99a18d144b2c900830@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E9CBB2.21554531052005@news.giganews.com:
In article
<1117537242.330c3f42553d65c1306554545ccd0398@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-0FDBDF.22002830052005@news.giganews.com:
In article
<1117461650.931eb1180539d6bd0ea68f598849a917@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-390AC2.00022929052005@news.giganews.com:
In article <12kf9196d2qsih7e60fmtit9bihv4ss1gf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 26 May 2005 03:04:29 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****
wrote:
Hey Fred, shut the ***** up.
Oh, and there is a difference between "defeatist" and
being realistic. ***** NeoCons like you pretend
nothing is wrong, that you "go with the army you have,
not the one you want", that it's okay to deny the
soldiers basic medical supplies. But somehow anyone
who points out the idiocy of the NeoCon war plan
somehow "undermines" your Dear Leader's war effort.
====================
"We are engaged in the endgame of a war, the dirty
days of snuffing out the last of the opposition. "
-Fred Stone 8/28/2003, on Iraq
"... the insurgents in Iraq are losing, where Iraq is
not a quagmire, because the vast majority of the
people there are on the side of their own free,
democratic government."
-Fred Stone 4/24/2005, on Iraq
====================
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=
05/05/25/14142
03 which among other things says that the "U.S. Has
Essentially Ceded Control to Resistance
And the Los Angeles Times is reporting that the U.S. has
essentially ceded much of the Anbar province to the
Iraqi resistance. One unnamed military official said
"[Commanders] can't use the word, but we're withdrawing.
Slowly, that's what we're doing." "
That was apparent long ago. There are some 'fortified
enclaves,' but that's what's known as a "target rich
environment" for the Iraqi's fighting for their country.
They're not going to attack our fortified enclaves when
they can go after softer targets like the Iraqi government
forces or our convoys. Guerilla warfare 101 - attack the
enemy where he is weak, retreat and hide when he comes at
you in strength. Our military leaders still don't get it.
What a waste of resources, infrastructure, and lives.
No *****..
Fucking liberal morons, still losing the Vietnam war...
And short of nuking N. Vietnam and starting WW3, how do you
think that we might have won? The fucking morons are the ones
who send our troops to fight and die in unwinnable wars then
and now.
By continuing to support South Vietnam. They had already
defeated the VC insurgency.
After Tet, the North took a leading role in the civil war. The
NVA supplanted the VC.
Then it wasn't a civil war any more.
Until the French were defeated and arbitrarily divided the country
into North and South, Vietnam was and is now again one country. As
far as Ho Chi Minh was concerned, it was a civil war to reunite his
country.
So you take Uncle Ho's opinion as your own?
I'll take history's opinion.
History doesn't have an opinion. Historians and propagandists have
opinions.
Go and read the history of the conflict starting with the
French colonization of Indochina.
I'm quite familiar with the history, including all the things that
haven't happened in Iraq.
Obviously not.
You are wrong.
My point is that Iraq bears little to no resemblance to Vietnam
(except maybe to a superficial simpleminded liberal) but you
keep making the comparisons anyway.
There are some similarities and differences. In my post, I said
nothing about Vietnam. You insist on trying to put words in
other people's mouths which only makes you look stupid.
See this mirror?
When do I put words in your mouth?
Frequently.
LOL! You lie more that Dubya!
See this mirror?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Even if the grass is greener on the other side,
they still have to cut it.
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Fred Stone: Iraqi Insurgents "Dying Out" |
04 Jun 2005 01:59:18 AM |
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|
In article <1117800168.b8d0f8d4e98325c56685d0db1c350fe6@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-D8EC69.22423202062005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117710876.a3d82823e70f54cedd9b1086c13ed08a@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E26643.22424801062005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117626176.058702b4d2446b99a18d144b2c900830@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E9CBB2.21554531052005@news.giganews.com:
In article
<1117537242.330c3f42553d65c1306554545ccd0398@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-0FDBDF.22002830052005@news.giganews.com:
In article
<1117461650.931eb1180539d6bd0ea68f598849a917@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-390AC2.00022929052005@news.giganews.com:
In article <12kf9196d2qsih7e60fmtit9bihv4ss1gf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 26 May 2005 03:04:29 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****
wrote:
Hey Fred, shut the ***** up.
Oh, and there is a difference between "defeatist" and
being realistic. ***** NeoCons like you pretend
nothing is wrong, that you "go with the army you have,
not the one you want", that it's okay to deny the
soldiers basic medical supplies. But somehow anyone
who points out the idiocy of the NeoCon war plan
somehow "undermines" your Dear Leader's war effort.
====================
"We are engaged in the endgame of a war, the dirty
days of snuffing out the last of the opposition. "
-Fred Stone 8/28/2003, on Iraq
"... the insurgents in Iraq are losing, where Iraq is
not a quagmire, because the vast majority of the
people there are on the side of their own free,
democratic government."
-Fred Stone 4/24/2005, on Iraq
====================
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=
05/05/25/14142
03 which among other things says that the "U.S. Has
Essentially Ceded Control to Resistance
And the Los Angeles Times is reporting that the U.S. has
essentially ceded much of the Anbar province to the
Iraqi resistance. One unnamed military official said
"[Commanders] can't use the word, but we're withdrawing.
Slowly, that's what we're doing." "
That was apparent long ago. There are some 'fortified
enclaves,' but that's what's known as a "target rich
environment" for the Iraqi's fighting for their country.
They're not going to attack our fortified enclaves when
they can go after softer targets like the Iraqi government
forces or our convoys. Guerilla warfare 101 - attack the
enemy where he is weak, retreat and hide when he comes at
you in strength. Our military leaders still don't get it.
What a waste of resources, infrastructure, and lives.
No *****..
Fucking liberal morons, still losing the Vietnam war...
And short of nuking N. Vietnam and starting WW3, how do you
think that we might have won? The fucking morons are the ones
who send our troops to fight and die in unwinnable wars then
and now.
By continuing to support South Vietnam. They had already
defeated the VC insurgency.
After Tet, the North took a leading role in the civil war. The
NVA supplanted the VC.
Then it wasn't a civil war any more.
Until the French were defeated and arbitrarily divided the country
into North and South, Vietnam was and is now again one country. As
far as Ho Chi Minh was concerned, it was a civil war to reunite his
country.
So you take Uncle Ho's opinion as your own?
I'll take history's opinion.
History doesn't have an opinion. Historians and propagandists have
opinions.
I don't care for propagandists, but I'll take historians' opinions over
yours.
Go and read the history of the conflict starting with the
French colonization of Indochina.
I'm quite familiar with the history, including all the things that
haven't happened in Iraq.
Obviously not.
You are wrong.
No.
My point is that Iraq bears little to no resemblance to Vietnam
(except maybe to a superficial simpleminded liberal) but you
keep making the comparisons anyway.
There are some similarities and differences. In my post, I said
nothing about Vietnam. You insist on trying to put words in
other people's mouths which only makes you look stupid.
See this mirror?
When do I put words in your mouth?
Frequently.
LOL! You lie more that Dubya!
See this mirror?
Typical Fred rebuttal. Nyah! You're one too!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Fred Stone: Iraqi Insurgents "Dying Out" |
04 Jun 2005 06:19:37 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-026F73.23591803062005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117800168.b8d0f8d4e98325c56685d0db1c350fe6@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-D8EC69.22423202062005@news.giganews.com:
In article <1117710876.a3d82823e70f54cedd9b1086c13ed08a@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E26643.22424801062005@news.giganews.com:
In article
<1117626176.058702b4d2446b99a18d144b2c900830@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E9CBB2.21554531052005@news.giganews.com:
In article
<1117537242.330c3f42553d65c1306554545ccd0398@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-0FDBDF.22002830052005@news.giganews.com:
In article
<1117461650.931eb1180539d6bd0ea68f598849a917@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-390AC2.00022929052005@news.giganews.com:
In article
<12kf9196d2qsih7e60fmtit9bihv4ss1gf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 26 May 2005 03:04:29 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****
wrote:
Hey Fred, shut the ***** up.
Oh, and there is a difference between "defeatist"
and being realistic. ***** NeoCons like you pretend
nothing is wrong, that you "go with the army you
have, not the one you want", that it's okay to deny
the soldiers basic medical supplies. But somehow
anyone who points out the idiocy of the NeoCon war
plan somehow "undermines" your Dear Leader's war
effort.
====================
"We are engaged in the endgame of a war, the dirty
days of snuffing out the last of the opposition. "
-Fred Stone 8/28/2003, on Iraq
"... the insurgents in Iraq are losing, where Iraq
is not a quagmire, because the vast majority of the
people there are on the side of their own free,
democratic government."
-Fred Stone 4/24/2005, on Iraq
====================
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=
05/05/25/14142
03 which among other things says that the "U.S. Has
Essentially Ceded Control to Resistance
And the Los Angeles Times is reporting that the U.S.
has essentially ceded much of the Anbar province to
the Iraqi resistance. One unnamed military official
said "[Commanders] can't use the word, but we're
withdrawing. Slowly, that's what we're doing." "
That was apparent long ago. There are some 'fortified
enclaves,' but that's what's known as a "target rich
environment" for the Iraqi's fighting for their
country.
They're not going to attack our fortified enclaves when
they can go after softer targets like the Iraqi
government forces or our convoys. Guerilla warfare 101
- attack the enemy where he is weak, retreat and hide
when he comes at you in strength. Our military leaders
still don't get it.
What a waste of resources, infrastructure, and lives.
No *****..
Fucking liberal morons, still losing the Vietnam war...
And short of nuking N. Vietnam and starting WW3, how do
you think that we might have won? The fucking morons are
the ones who send our troops to fight and die in
unwinnable wars then and now.
By continuing to support South Vietnam. They had already
defeated the VC insurgency.
After Tet, the North took a leading role in the civil war.
The NVA supplanted the VC.
Then it wasn't a civil war any more.
Until the French were defeated and arbitrarily divided the
country into North and South, Vietnam was and is now again one
country. As far as Ho Chi Minh was concerned, it was a civil war
to reunite his country.
So you take Uncle Ho's opinion as your own?
I'll take history's opinion.
History doesn't have an opinion. Historians and propagandists have
opinions.
I don't care for propagandists, but I'll take historians' opinions
over yours.
Ho Chi Minh wasn't a historian.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Even if the grass is greener on the other side,
they still have to cut it.
.
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Fred Stone: Iraqi Insurgents "Dying Out" |
04 Jun 2005 12:42:38 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
So you take Uncle Ho's opinion as your own?
I'll take history's opinion.
History doesn't have an opinion. Historians and propagandists have
opinions.
I don't care for propagandists, but I'll take historians' opinions
over yours.
Ho Chi Minh wasn't a historian.
He was a better historian than Nixon.
A better strategist too.
--
When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Fred Stone: Iraqi Insurgents "Dying Out" |
04 Jun 2005 01:26:47 PM |
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wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in
news:11a3pl0durgf11b@corp.supernews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
So you take Uncle Ho's opinion as your own?
I'll take history's opinion.
History doesn't have an opinion. Historians and propagandists have
opinions.
I don't care for propagandists, but I'll take historians' opinions
over yours.
Ho Chi Minh wasn't a hist | | | | | | | | | | |
