Religions > Atheism > NeoCons Ask GI's To Whitwash Torture News. GI's Not Amused
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"Yang, AthD \h.c" |
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09 May 2004 12:46:16 AM |
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NeoCons Ask GI's To Whitwash Torture News. GI's Not Amused |
http://www.sftt.org/
Many troops have recently told me that they feel somewhat perturbed how the
brass is trying to make GI Joe into official mouthpieces of the Pentagon. I
found proof of that in many command's media instructions for their
operations. The media - international and American - has become part of the
enemy environment for many outfits.
Excerpts of one media assessment in Iraq read as follows:
"Local Area Assessment: There will be no increase in media attention paid to
our area. Media attention may in fact decrease as media become reluctant to
travel in to country and/or out of safer areas. Those media that are
normally not inhibited by dangerous situations are likely to focus on the
areas where major operations are ongoing and media due into Anaconda may
divert to cover `hotter' news."
"Themes to be stressed:
"The people of Iraq are moving towards sovereignty and won't be deterred by
anti-coalition forces, terrorists and the enemies of Iraq from becoming a
prosperous democratic nation."
"Iraqi security forces and the coalition have the means to enforce the peace
in Iraq and to destroy those who violate it."
"Iraqis must chose - support the path to peace or join the anti-coalition
forces that will be destroyed."
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -768 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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15 May 2004 11:29:03 AM |
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On Sat, 8 May 2004 22:46:16 -0700, "Yang, AthD \(h.c\)"
<eacmole@//AWOLBUSH//mail.com>, Message ID:
<mpmdnXRXcLM6WADdRVn-tA@comcast.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
HOLY *****! America's got terminal cancer.
/quote from end of article
a retired Army major general said of Taguba. “He’s the guy who blew the
whistle, and the Army will pay the price for his integrity. The
leadership does not like to have people make bad news public.”
/quote
*Integrity* is a threat?
http://www.sftt.org/
05-12-2004
SFTT Role in Uncovering Abu Ghraib Abuses
The past few weeks we were all very astounded and disgusted by the
pictures and tales of abuse coming out of Iraq with regard to our U.S.
forces and the treatment of Iraqi prisoners. On Friday, May 7th, the
Secretary of Defense and Commander of the Joint Chiefs of Staff were
hauled before two congressional committees to answer questions of
accountability in this sordid scandal. On Tuesday, May 11th, General
Antonio Taguba was testifying before congress regarding his report – the
“15-6 Report” – and his findings.
Now for the real bombshell; SFTT's website provided the conduit for the
key contact when William Lawson, the uncle of one on the MP's facing
charges, and a retired USAF Master Sergeant, contacted Roger Charles who
was working as a consultant with 60 Minutes II. Roger had placed a
request for information about the involuntary discharge of four
Reservists from the 320th MP Battalion on the SFTT web site. An
automatic response link went straight to Charles.
Information provided by Lawson and follow-up contacts allowed the CBS
production team to develop additional information about the 372nd MP
Company, the 320th MP Battalion and the 800th MP Brigade. The subsequent
intensive investigation produced the 60 Minutes II program seen on April
28 that exposed the abuses at Abu Ghraib, including the now historical
photographs.
It should be noted that 60 Minutes II had been working on this story for
over a month prior to Lawson's initial contact via the SFTT web site.
CBS had received a tip from a source in Kuwait in February, but the
information was too general for quick exploitation. Two 60 Minutes II
producers traveled to Kuwait in March and obtained more details from
this source, but the CBS investigation remained stalled until Lawson
turned to David Hackworth's SFTT website and made contact with Charles
and the 60 Minutes II team.
We have had access to certain of the documentation the Fredericks and
Mr. Lawson used to communicate their concerns for their son and nephew.
No fewer than fifteen government officials were contacted earlier in the
year seeking help in finding out the status of SSgt. Ivan F. Frederick,
USA. The letters themselves are pleas for intervention in finding out
what their son is potentially being charged with and directly alerts the
reader to the point that SSgt. Frederick was concerned, early on in his
assignment at the prison, that there were no written instructions or
directives for his unit. Those contacted by the Frederick family are:
Jack Reed (D) RI
Robert Byrd (D) WV
Evan Bayh (D) IN
Edward Kennedy (D) MA
Hillary Clinton (D) NY
Daniel Akaka (D) HI
Paul Sarbanes (D) MD
Gov. Mark Warner (D) VA Mark Dayton (D) MN
William Nelson (D) FL
Mark Pryor (D) AR
Benjamin Nelson (D) NE
Joseph Lieberman (D) CT
Roscoe Bartlett (R) MD
John “Jay” D. Rockefeller (D) WV
On April 25, 1996 former Navy Secretary James Webb gave a speech at the
Naval Academy on the occasion of the Naval Institute’s Annual
Conference. He received a standing ovation from the midshipmen in
attendance. I offer this ending excerpt as words of inspiration for the
U.S. Army and what we, at SFTT, see as a crisis in leadership:
“If the Navy is to regain its soul and its respect, the answer lies
in the right kind of leaders, at every level of command. Leaders who
understand that the seemingly arcane concepts of tradition, loyalty,
discipline and moral courage have carried the Navy through cyclical
turbulence in peace and war; leaders who are imbued with a solemn duty
to preserve sacrosanct ideals and pass them on to succeeding
generations; leaders who know that this obligation transcends their own
importance, and must outlast their individual careers; leaders with the
courage to articulate the inviability of these ideals to the political
process; leaders who will never allow a weakening of these ideals in
exchange for self-preservation.
It is time to give the Navy back to such leaders. There can be no
more important task over the next few years. Without officers who will
defend the Navy’s culture and take decisive action when it is needed,
there will be nothing but continuing chaos. With them, as they have
shown throughout the Navy’s history, no challenge is too great, and
anything is possible.”
James Webb
SFTT is dedicated to the leadership ideals Mr. Webb expresses here so
eloquently, but apparently the U.S. Army is not. A quote from New Yorker
columnist Sy Hersh’s latest column reads as follows:
Ryder may have protected himself, but Taguba did not. “He’s not
regarded as a hero in some circles in the Pentagon,” a retired Army
major general said of Taguba. “He’s the guy who blew the whistle, and
the Army will pay the price for his integrity. The leadership does not
like to have people make bad news public.”
In our view the Army has a very big problem if integrity is viewed as a
threat.
Robert L. McMahon
President
Soldiers For The Truth
http://www.sftt.org
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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15 May 2004 12:43:18 PM |
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 09:29:03 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
*Integrity* is a threat?
This surprises you? We got a president who's boys smeared McCain and
Cleeland, lie about most everything. WMDs. Budgets. Deficits. Who
fired numerous people because they were honest, Generals who said the
war would need more troops, budget guys who said what it would cost,
outted the CIA wife of a diplomat for telling the truth.
We've got 70 people caught cheating at the Air Force Academy. Wall
Street "ethics" that reward deceit and fraud (with a small handful
caught and fewer punished.)
we've got almost every major corporation paying huge fines for various
frauds.
the message is clear. Deceit and fraud pay in America. The American
dream is now forming a company, inflating the books, doing an IPO and
getting out. Or winning the lottery. we long since abandoned hard
work and honesty as the road to success.
Look at how this country treats whistle blowers.
It's sad.
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| User: "Shel Scott WellDone" |
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15 May 2004 03:09:37 PM |
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wrote:
It's sad.
No, chuckles, what is sad is how many assholes like you there are in
the U. S., attacking a President during a time your country is
threatened like it never has been.
Islamists have declared war, not just on the U. S., but on Western
Civilization.
If the Dems get in, they will do nothing until it is too late, then
they will use nuclear weapons. That's the lefty way.
--
): "I may make you feel, but I can't make you think" :(
(: Off the monitor, through the modem, nothing but net :)
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| User: "Yang, AthD \h.c" |
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18 May 2004 03:34:01 AM |
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"Shel Scott" <WellDone> wrote in message
news:ghtca0lu8t0ea5g1ec3a1q7gradp26in9e@4ax.com...
retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
It's sad.
No, chuckles, what is sad is how many assholes like you there are in
the U. S., attacking a President during a time your country is
threatened like it never has been.
What is sad is how chickenhawk traitors like you are willing to sacrifice
the US Constitution for your AWOL hero.
--
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.3 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -787 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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15 May 2004 04:18:35 PM |
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 13:09:37 -0700, Shel Scott <WellDone> wrote:
retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
It's sad.
No, chuckles, what is sad is how many assholes like you there are in
the U. S., attacking a President during a time your country is
threatened like it never has been.
Islamists have declared war, not just on the U. S., but on Western
Civilization.
If the Dems get in, they will do nothing until it is too late, then
they will use nuclear weapons. That's the lefty way.
Chuckle. I post a message about the lack of honesty in America today,
and you want to make it about patriotism and war.
I guess cause you're one of the liars and when there's a war you can
seek justification in that old expression "the first casualty of war
is truth". You do realize that's not a justification, but an
observation?
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| User: "stoney" |
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16 May 2004 01:05:20 PM |
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 21:18:35 GMT, retrogrouch@comcast.net, Message ID:
<a62da0l3otg491pukje9ptjggojjeu0h3h@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Sat, 15 May 2004 13:09:37 -0700, Shel Scott <WellDone> wrote:
retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
It's sad.
No, chuckles, what is sad is how many assholes like you there are in
the U. S., attacking a President during a time your country is
threatened like it never has been.
Islamists have declared war, not just on the U. S., but on Western
Civilization.
If the Dems get in, they will do nothing until it is too late, then
they will use nuclear weapons. That's the lefty way.
Chuckle. I post a message about the lack of honesty in America today,
and you want to make it about patriotism and war.
The moron's (cough) 'post' supports your point.
I guess cause you're one of the liars and when there's a war you can
seek justification in that old expression "the first casualty of war
is truth". You do realize that's not a justification, but an
observation?
Thing is, if Clinton did 1/1000th what Shrub and the rest of the
Repugnican Taliban have done a lynching would have been done long ago.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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16 May 2004 01:02:53 PM |
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 13:09:37 -0700, Shel Scott <WellDone>, Message ID:
<ghtca0lu8t0ea5g1ec3a1q7gradp26in9e@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
It's sad.
No, chuckles, what is sad is how many assholes like you there are in
the U. S., attacking a President during a time your country is
threatened like it never has been.
Islamists have declared war, not just on the U. S., but on Western
Civilization.
If the Dems get in, they will do nothing until it is too late, then
they will use nuclear weapons. That's the lefty way.
PROJECTION!
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "stoney" |
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18 May 2004 09:33:36 AM |
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 13:09:37 -0700, Shel Scott <WellDone>, Message ID:
<ghtca0lu8t0ea5g1ec3a1q7gradp26in9e@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
It's sad.
No, chuckles, what is sad is how many assholes like you there are in
the U. S., attacking a President during a time your country is
threatened like it never has been.
Islamists have declared war, not just on the U. S., but on Western
Civilization.
If the Dems get in, they will do nothing until it is too late, then
they will use nuclear weapons. That's the lefty way.
http://www.muchosucko.com/img3248g45T.html
Scroll down. Don't worry, it's safe for toddlers.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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15 May 2004 03:17:16 PM |
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Shel Scott <WellDone> wrote:
retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
It's sad.
No, chuckles, what is sad is how many assholes like you there are in
the U. S., attacking a President during a time your country is
threatened like it never has been.
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or
that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only
unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the
American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him
or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth,
pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else.
Theodore Roosevelt
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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15 May 2004 04:19:26 PM |
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 20:17:16 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
Shel Scott <WellDone> wrote:
retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
It's sad.
No, chuckles, what is sad is how many assholes like you there are in
the U. S., attacking a President during a time your country is
threatened like it never has been.
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or
that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only
unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the
American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him
or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth,
pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else.
Theodore Roosevelt
America's greatest republican president. And last great one. (Well Ike
was good. but not great.)
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| User: "stoney" |
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16 May 2004 01:02:29 PM |
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 17:43:18 GMT, retrogrouch@comcast.net, Message ID:
<aalca0d6k7qff7fv07kmvfkbfrovvgtnaq@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Sat, 15 May 2004 09:29:03 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
*Integrity* is a threat?
This surprises you?
No, just that the military has actually publicly uttered the statement.
We got a president who's boys smeared McCain and
Cleeland, lie about most everything. WMDs. Budgets. Deficits. Who
fired numerous people because they were honest, Generals who said the
war would need more troops, budget guys who said what it would cost,
outted the CIA wife of a diplomat for telling the truth.
Which is merely the 'tip of the iceberg.'
We've got 70 people caught cheating at the Air Force Academy. Wall
Street "ethics" that reward deceit and fraud (with a small handful
caught and fewer punished.)
we've got almost every major corporation paying huge fines for various
frauds.
the message is clear. Deceit and fraud pay in America. The American
dream is now forming a company, inflating the books, doing an IPO and
getting out. Or winning the lottery. we long since abandoned hard
work and honesty as the road to success.
Look at how this country treats whistle blowers.
It's sad.
I agree.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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15 May 2004 01:36:24 PM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 8 May 2004 22:46:16 -0700, "Yang, AthD \(h.c\)"
<eacmole@//AWOLBUSH//mail.com>, Message ID:
<mpmdnXRXcLM6WADdRVn-tA@comcast.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
HOLY *****! America's got terminal cancer.
/quote from end of article
a retired Army major general said of Taguba. “He’s the guy who blew the
whistle, and the Army will pay the price for his integrity. The
leadership does not like to have people make bad news public.”
/quote
*Integrity* is a threat?
Of course it is. Just ask Heishman. He'll tell you that it;s the
fault of the "liberal" media for publlishing the photos.
http://www.sftt.org/
05-12-2004
SFTT Role in Uncovering Abu Ghraib Abuses
The past few weeks we were all very astounded and disgusted by the
pictures and tales of abuse coming out of Iraq with regard to our U.S.
forces and the treatment of Iraqi prisoners. On Friday, May 7th, the
Secretary of Defense and Commander of the Joint Chiefs of Staff were
hauled before two congressional committees to answer questions of
accountability in this sordid scandal. On Tuesday, May 11th, General
Antonio Taguba was testifying before congress regarding his report – the
“15-6 Report” – and his findings.
Now for the real bombshell; SFTT's website provided the conduit for the
key contact when William Lawson, the uncle of one on the MP's facing
charges, and a retired USAF Master Sergeant, contacted Roger Charles who
was working as a consultant with 60 Minutes II. Roger had placed a
request for information about the involuntary discharge of four
Reservists from the 320th MP Battalion on the SFTT web site. An
automatic response link went straight to Charles.
Information provided by Lawson and follow-up contacts allowed the CBS
production team to develop additional information about the 372nd MP
Company, the 320th MP Battalion and the 800th MP Brigade. The subsequent
intensive investigation produced the 60 Minutes II program seen on April
28 that exposed the abuses at Abu Ghraib, including the now historical
photographs.
It should be noted that 60 Minutes II had been working on this story for
over a month prior to Lawson's initial contact via the SFTT web site.
CBS had received a tip from a source in Kuwait in February, but the
information was too general for quick exploitation. Two 60 Minutes II
producers traveled to Kuwait in March and obtained more details from
this source, but the CBS investigation remained stalled until Lawson
turned to David Hackworth's SFTT website and made contact with Charles
and the 60 Minutes II team.
We have had access to certain of the documentation the Fredericks and
Mr. Lawson used to communicate their concerns for their son and nephew.
No fewer than fifteen government officials were contacted earlier in the
year seeking help in finding out the status of SSgt. Ivan F. Frederick,
USA. The letters themselves are pleas for intervention in finding out
what their son is potentially being charged with and directly alerts the
reader to the point that SSgt. Frederick was concerned, early on in his
assignment at the prison, that there were no written instructions or
directives for his unit. Those contacted by the Frederick family are:
Jack Reed (D) RI
Robert Byrd (D) WV
Evan Bayh (D) IN
Edward Kennedy (D) MA
Hillary Clinton (D) NY
Daniel Akaka (D) HI
Paul Sarbanes (D) MD
Gov. Mark Warner (D) VA Mark Dayton (D) MN
William Nelson (D) FL
Mark Pryor (D) AR
Benjamin Nelson (D) NE
Joseph Lieberman (D) CT
Roscoe Bartlett (R) MD
John “Jay” D. Rockefeller (D) WV
On April 25, 1996 former Navy Secretary James Webb gave a speech at the
Naval Academy on the occasion of the Naval Institute’s Annual
Conference. He received a standing ovation from the midshipmen in
attendance. I offer this ending excerpt as words of inspiration for the
U.S. Army and what we, at SFTT, see as a crisis in leadership:
“If the Navy is to regain its soul and its respect, the answer lies
in the right kind of leaders, at every level of command. Leaders who
understand that the seemingly arcane concepts of tradition, loyalty,
discipline and moral courage have carried the Navy through cyclical
turbulence in peace and war; leaders who are imbued with a solemn duty
to preserve sacrosanct ideals and pass them on to succeeding
generations; leaders who know that this obligation transcends their own
importance, and must outlast their individual careers; leaders with the
courage to articulate the inviability of these ideals to the political
process; leaders who will never allow a weakening of these ideals in
exchange for self-preservation.
It is time to give the Navy back to such leaders. There can be no
more important task over the next few years. Without officers who will
defend the Navy’s culture and take decisive action when it is needed,
there will be nothing but continuing chaos. With them, as they have
shown throughout the Navy’s history, no challenge is too great, and
anything is possible.”
James Webb
SFTT is dedicated to the leadership ideals Mr. Webb expresses here so
eloquently, but apparently the U.S. Army is not. A quote from New Yorker
columnist Sy Hersh’s latest column reads as follows:
Ryder may have protected himself, but Taguba did not. “He’s not
regarded as a hero in some circles in the Pentagon,” a retired Army
major general said of Taguba. “He’s the guy who blew the whistle, and
the Army will pay the price for his integrity. The leadership does not
like to have people make bad news public.”
In our view the Army has a very big problem if integrity is viewed as a
threat.
Robert L. McMahon
President
Soldiers For The Truth
http://www.sftt.org
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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16 May 2004 01:06:07 PM |
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 18:36:24 GMT, (Ray Fischer),
Message ID: <c85nv7$vdh$1@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 8 May 2004 22:46:16 -0700, "Yang, AthD \(h.c\)"
<eacmole@//AWOLBUSH//mail.com>, Message ID:
<mpmdnXRXcLM6WADdRVn-tA@comcast.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
HOLY *****! America's got terminal cancer.
/quote from end of article
a retired Army major general said of Taguba. “He’s the guy who blew the
whistle, and the Army will pay the price for his integrity. The
leadership does not like to have people make bad news public.”
/quote
*Integrity* is a threat?
Of course it is. Just ask Heishman. He'll tell you that it;s the
fault of the "liberal" media for publlishing the photos.
Osprey lies like a rug-typical xtian.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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Re: I want to ask you the most important question of your life. The question is: Are you saved? It is not a question of how good you are, nor if you are a church member, but are you saved? Are you sure you will go to Heaven when you die? The reason s
Re: I want to ask you the most important question of your life. The question is: Are you saved? It is not a question of how good you are, nor if you are a church member, but are you saved? Are you sure you will go to Heaven when you die? The reason s
I want to ask you the most important question of your life. The question is: Are you saved? It is not a question of how good you are, nor if you are a church member, but are you saved? Are you sure you will go to Heaven when you die? The reason some
Re: I want to ask you the most important question of your life. The question is: Are you saved? It is not a question of how good you are, nor if you are a church member, but are you saved? Are you sure you will go to Heaven when you die? The reason s
Re: I want to ask you the most important question of your life. The question is: Are you saved? It is not a question of how good you are, nor if you are a church member, but are you saved? Are you sure you will go to Heaven when you die? The reason s
Instead of telling me I can't prove this or that. Why not ask me if I can prove something before convincing your mind that I can't?
We are not liberal: Honest, just ask John Kerry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| Ask not "why Christianity is filled with Tedi Haggards", ask "how Christianity creates Tedi Haggards".
Jewish leaders ask Pope to press Iran not to develop nuclear weapons
Re: "Why Iraq" you ask? (why *not* Iraq...)
One thing God will not ask OT believers
We are not liberal: Honest, just ask John Kerry!!! LIBERALS HATE AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!
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Forgive Them Lord For They Know Not What They Ask For
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