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"satyr" |
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27 Oct 2003 12:06:07 AM |
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New $20 bill to atheists: "***** you" |
Has anyone noticed that the new $20 bill, in addition to looking
generally hideous, has increased prominence for the "In God We Trust"
quasi-motto? The old twenty featured less dark print against a solid,
medium density background over the White House. The new bill not only
has darker type for the statement of faith, it floats upon illuminated
clouds giving it the air of the divine.
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satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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| User: "satyr" |
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| Title: Re: New $20 bill to atheists: "***** you" |
08 Nov 2003 07:31:37 PM |
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On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 15:55:03 GMT, (Bill, The
Avender) wrote:
Are gays allowed to have legal marriages in the U.S.? Have we ever
had a black presidential candidate that's ever been taken seriously by
non-blacks? Has there ever been a black or a gay pope? Are there not
more black people in U.S. prisons than any other race?** Are there no
places left where a gay person can be fired for being gay, denied
housing for being gay, lose custody of their own biological children
just for being gay?
They can't even join the Boy Scouts. Of course, neither can we.
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satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: New $20 bill to atheists: "***** you" |
09 Nov 2003 11:17:13 AM |
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On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 01:31:37 GMT, (satyr),
Message ID: <f66rqvk3u5o2s5eg48069jffroci7l4ute@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 15:55:03 GMT, (Bill, The
Avender) wrote:
Are gays allowed to have legal marriages in the U.S.? Have we ever
had a black presidential candidate that's ever been taken seriously by
non-blacks? Has there ever been a black or a gay pope? Are there not
more black people in U.S. prisons than any other race?** Are there no
places left where a gay person can be fired for being gay, denied
housing for being gay, lose custody of their own biological children
just for being gay?
They can't even join the Boy Scouts. Of course, neither can we.
Pedophiles can.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Beowulf" |
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| Title: Re: Re: New $20 bill to atheists: "***** you" |
05 Nov 2003 11:19:13 AM |
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:12:38 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
ejaculated:
Crazyalec wrote:
"Bill, The Avender" <Avender@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:3fa9b78f.49475196@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...
Hey Crazy! How's it going? :-) You've got it backwards - it's the
_government_ who looks stupid for claiming to have freedom of religion
whilst foisting a particular brand of it on the entire American public
against their will. Atheists come out of the deal smelling squeaky
clean. :-)
Actually its atheists who look stupid.You don't see confederate flag
anywhere on government property because its offensive to blacks. Blacks did
change a lot of things by filing class action lawsuits, the same for gays
and other minorities. How come there are no class action lawsuits from 30
million areligious people out there?
They have been filed, but the courts have refused to certify them; the claim is
that there is no "definite harm" to non-theists because of this "ceremonial
deism" (although I find it amusing that religious nuts can reduce their own
fanaticism to something so meaningless.) As a result, the on-going war against
State Religion must be fought one battle at a time.
Could it be said to be a tenet of deism that the Deist God is being
trusted in? I find that sort of commitment to the Deist God to be out
of character.
The god phrase may be ceremonial, but I don't see how it can be
claimed to be ceremonial Deism. It implies relationship with deity
and therefore must be some form of theism.
--
<http://www20.brinkster.com/beowulf9/gottod/Jesus%20Hates%20The%20Little%20Children.html>
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: New $20 bill to atheists: "***** you" |
05 Nov 2003 08:51:04 PM |
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:19:13 -0500, Beowulf
<beowulf_is_not_here@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:12:38 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
ejaculated:
They have been filed, but the courts have refused to certify them; the claim is
that there is no "definite harm" to non-theists because of this "ceremonial
deism" (although I find it amusing that religious nuts can reduce their own
fanaticism to something so meaningless.) As a result, the on-going war against
State Religion must be fought one battle at a time.
Could it be said to be a tenet of deism that the Deist God is being
trusted in? I find that sort of commitment to the Deist God to be out
of character.
It's ceremonial deism, not ceremonial Deism. There's a huge
difference.
--
"To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains
premature today."
- Isaac Asimov
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Beowulf" |
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| Title: Re: Re: New $20 bill to atheists: "***** you" |
06 Nov 2003 11:36:28 AM |
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On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 02:51:04 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
ejaculated:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:19:13 -0500, Beowulf
<beowulf_is_not_here@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:12:38 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
ejaculated:
They have been filed, but the courts have refused to certify them; the claim is
that there is no "definite harm" to non-theists because of this "ceremonial
deism" (although I find it amusing that religious nuts can reduce their own
fanaticism to something so meaningless.) As a result, the on-going war against
State Religion must be fought one battle at a time.
Could it be said to be a tenet of deism that the Deist God is being
trusted in? I find that sort of commitment to the Deist God to be out
of character.
It's ceremonial deism, not ceremonial Deism. There's a huge
difference.
The only reason I can see to use the word "deism" in any form of
capitalization is to obfuscate the fact that the government is
establishing a ceremonial theistic religion.
I'm sure there is some legal hairsplitter wrangling that has gone on
about this phrase, but dictionary.com does not show any appreciable
difference in the definitions of deism it has. Nor does it show any
bifurcation along the lines of capitalization.
I don't see how the use of "deism" in the phrase "ceremonial deism" to
describe the presence of the phrase "In God We Trust" on money is at
all an accurate use of the word.
--
<http://www20.brinkster.com/beowulf9/gottod/Jesus%20Hates%20The%20Little%20Children.html>
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: New $20 bill to atheists: "***** you" |
06 Nov 2003 08:46:33 PM |
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On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 12:36:28 -0500, Beowulf
<beowulf_is_not_here@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 02:51:04 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
ejaculated:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:19:13 -0500, Beowulf
<beowulf_is_not_here@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:12:38 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
ejaculated:
They have been filed, but the courts have refused to certify them; the claim is
that there is no "definite harm" to non-theists because of this "ceremonial
deism" (although I find it amusing that religious nuts can reduce their own
fanaticism to something so meaningless.) As a result, the on-going war against
State Religion must be fought one battle at a time.
Could it be said to be a tenet of deism that the Deist God is being
trusted in? I find that sort of commitment to the Deist God to be out
of character.
It's ceremonial deism, not ceremonial Deism. There's a huge
difference.
The only reason I can see to use the word "deism" in any form of
capitalization is to obfuscate the fact that the government is
establishing a ceremonial theistic religion.
"deism", small "d", means theism. With a large "D", it's a particular
religion.
I don't see how the use of "deism" in the phrase "ceremonial deism" to
describe the presence of the phrase "In God We Trust" on money is at
all an accurate use of the word.
Read it as "ceremonial belief in a god". It's still nonsense, but
it's not the religion of most of the founding fathers.
--
"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their
numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion,
only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
-A. Einstein (Letter to Edgar Meyer, Jan. 2, 1915)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Bill, The Avender" |
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| Title: Re: New $20 bill to atheists: "***** you" |
28 Oct 2003 05:38:33 AM |
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In alt.atheism on Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:13:54 GMT, "Crazyalec"
<oleka2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Bill, The Avender" <Avender@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:3fa9b78f.49475196@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...
Hey Crazy! How's it going? :-) You've got it backwards - it's the
_government_ who looks stupid for claiming to have freedom of religion
whilst foisting a particular brand of it on the entire American public
against their will. Atheists come out of the deal smelling squeaky
clean. :-)
Actually its atheists who look stupid.You don't see confederate flag
anywhere on government property because its offensive to blacks. Blacks did
change a lot of things by filing class action lawsuits, the same for gays
and other minorities. How come there are no class action lawsuits from 30
million areligious people out there?
You don't watch the news much, do you?
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L8r,
Bill, The Avender
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An optimist would see it as an opportunity to get free, unlimited tanning.
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| User: "BTR1701" |
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| Title: Re: New $20 bill to atheists: "***** you" |
27 Oct 2003 01:20:58 PM |
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In article <Owdnb.43349$e01.100886@attbi_s02>, "Crazyalec"
<oleka2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:BTR1702-176171.10584227102003@news.west.earthlink.net...
In article <Wubnb.32152$9E1.120973@attbi_s52>, "Crazyalec"
<oleka2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:3F9D4172.FEDB206F@serv.net...
And over the White House, too. How appropriate.
And you are saying there is no God. Do you feel stupid now?
Why would he feel stupid? The fact that the Bureau of Engraving and
Printing churns out all these pieces of paper with a trite phrase
embossed on it, proves nothing about the actual existence of any
supposed god.
But it makes atheists look stupid because they claim there is no god, when
government says it is.
The government said blacks weren't full human beings at one point. Did
that make people who disagreed look stupid?
Or do you just look stupid for asserting things are true merely because
the government says so?
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: New $20 bill to atheists: "***** you" |
27 Oct 2003 11:26:14 AM |
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BTR1701 wrote:
In article <Wubnb.32152$9E1.120973@attbi_s52>, "Crazyalec"
<oleka2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:3F9D4172.FEDB206F@serv.net...
And over the White House, too. How appropriate.
And you are saying there is no God. Do you feel stupid now?
Why would he feel stupid? The fact that the Bureau of Engraving and
Printing churns out all these pieces of paper with a trite phrase
embossed on it, proves nothing about the actual existence of any
supposed god.
A government agency says it so it MUST be true.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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