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Religions > Atheism |
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"Uncle Vic" |
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01 Sep 2005 03:35:27 AM |
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New Billboard |
I noticed a new billboard this afternoon on my way home from work, in the
city I call home. It says "So who says nobody ever did anything for
you" and depicts a hand with a spike pounded through the palm. Below the
whole mess is a line that says "Read the Bible - John 3:16"
Holy jumping jesus, can you believe it? Obvoiusly the billboard is
privately owned and will sell advertizing space to the highest bidder.
Isn't private enterprise wonderful?
I filed a complaint with the city via their website and requested
feedback. Then I wrote a letter to the city newspaper, text below.
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This afternoon I pulled up to a stoplight at <address snipped> and was
greeted by a very distasteful billboard. It proclaims "So who says
nobody ever did anything for you?" (or something similar) and shows a
picture of a hand with a spike grotesquely pounded through it. At the
bottom the sign reads "Read The Bible - John 3:16". I was apalled.
The <city snipped> is home to a very large number of Christians who would
also find distaste in such a display, but let us not forget the
minorities. Jews, Muslims, Hindi and Atheists also make their home in
this fine city, and this select brew of Christians who find it necessary
to push their beliefs on others seems to have made a statement that we
need to change to their way of thinking. This is the exact reason why
the fathers of our country, who were of diverse beliefs themselves, wrote
Separation of Church and State into the law of the land, the
Constitution.
Religion belongs in the home, and in the Church. That way we can all get
along without the kind of hatred that billboards like the one mentioned
above stir up. If an Atheist or a Jew stood on a street corner holding
signs advertizing the Jewish faith, or no faith at all, what would you
think? And in what way are billboards like this one any different?
-Vic Sagerquist
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Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
Plonked by Raytard
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| User: "Dale" |
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| Title: Re: New Billboard |
01 Sep 2005 05:55:07 AM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96C3D18CD6CA0vicman@216.196.97.136...
[...]
Religion belongs in the home, and in the Church. That way we can all get
along without the kind of hatred that billboards like the one mentioned
above stir up. If an Atheist or a Jew stood on a street corner holding
signs advertizing the Jewish faith, or no faith at all, what would you
think? And in what way are billboards like this one any different?
I think you're barking up the wrong tree and whoever you sent the letter to
will think you're just a crank. Congress shall make no law respecting the
establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or
abridging the freedom of speech. If you want to advertise christianity,
judaism, hinduism, islam, or atheism, go for it. It is your right as long as
you have the money to do it.
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| User: "Jenny6833A" |
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| Title: Re: New Billboard |
01 Sep 2005 07:11:33 AM |
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Dale wrote:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote
[...]
Religion belongs in the home, and in the Church. That way we can all get
along without the kind of hatred that billboards like the one mentioned
above stir up. If an Atheist or a Jew stood on a street corner holding
signs advertizing the Jewish faith, or no faith at all, what would you
think? And in what way are billboards like this one any different?
I think you're barking up the wrong tree and whoever you sent the letter to
will think you're just a crank. Congress shall make no law respecting the
establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or
abridging the freedom of speech. If you want to advertise christianity,
judaism, hinduism, islam, or atheism, go for it. It is your right as long as
you have the money to do it.
Dale is correct until his last sentence. He then mews at the wrong
bush.
One has the right _TO TRY TO_ advertise, but not the right to succeed.
Short of buying the billboard company, the newspaper, or whatever, the
odds of an atheist ad being published (or staying published) are very
low.
The same applies to a whole range of other topics too.
Mainstream media will seldom, if ever, publish any ad they think their
mainstream audiences don't want to see -- or any ad the publisher
doesn't want them to see.
:-)
Jenny
(who can tell lots of stories about trying to place nudist ads)
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: New Billboard |
01 Sep 2005 04:21:21 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Jenny6833A
(Jenny6833A@aol.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Dale wrote:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote
[...]
Religion belongs in the home, and in the Church. That way we can
all get along without the kind of hatred that billboards like the
one mentioned above stir up. If an Atheist or a Jew stood on a
street corner holding signs advertizing the Jewish faith, or no
faith at all, what would you think? And in what way are billboards
like this one any different?
I think you're barking up the wrong tree and whoever you sent the
letter to will think you're just a crank. Congress shall make no law
respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free
exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech. If you want to
advertise christianity, judaism, hinduism, islam, or atheism, go for
it. It is your right as long as you have the money to do it.
Dale is correct until his last sentence. He then mews at the wrong
bush.
One has the right _TO TRY TO_ advertise, but not the right to succeed.
Short of buying the billboard company, the newspaper, or whatever, the
odds of an atheist ad being published (or staying published) are very
low.
The same applies to a whole range of other topics too.
Mainstream media will seldom, if ever, publish any ad they think their
mainstream audiences don't want to see -- or any ad the publisher
doesn't want them to see.
:-)
Jenny
(who can tell lots of stories about trying to place nudist ads)
We're 21st century niggers. Except there are even people who son't give
us recognition as a "legal" minority, whatever the hell that is.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
Plonked by Raytard
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: New Billboard |
01 Sep 2005 05:26:59 PM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Jenny6833A
(Jenny6833A@aol.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Dale wrote:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote
[...]
Religion belongs in the home, and in the Church. That way we can
all get along without the kind of hatred that billboards like the
one mentioned above stir up. If an Atheist or a Jew stood on a
street corner holding signs advertizing the Jewish faith, or no
faith at all, what would you think? And in what way are billboards
like this one any different?
I think you're barking up the wrong tree and whoever you sent the
letter to will think you're just a crank. Congress shall make no law
respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free
exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech. If you want to
advertise christianity, judaism, hinduism, islam, or atheism, go for
it. It is your right as long as you have the money to do it.
Dale is correct until his last sentence. He then mews at the wrong
bush.
One has the right _TO TRY TO_ advertise, but not the right to succeed.
Short of buying the billboard company, the newspaper, or whatever, the
odds of an atheist ad being published (or staying published) are very
low.
The same applies to a whole range of other topics too.
Mainstream media will seldom, if ever, publish any ad they think their
mainstream audiences don't want to see -- or any ad the publisher
doesn't want them to see.
:-)
Jenny
(who can tell lots of stories about trying to place nudist ads)
We're 21st century niggers. Except there are even people who son't give
us recognition as a "legal" minority, whatever the hell that is.
When was the last time you could not vote because of your atheism?
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: New Billboard |
01 Sep 2005 06:22:49 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet (Donalbain@gmail.com) made
the light shine upon us with this:
When was the last time you could not vote because of your atheism?
When was the last time an atheist ran for president?
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
Plonked by Raytard
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: New Billboard |
01 Sep 2005 06:26:37 PM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet (Donalbain@gmail.com) made
the light shine upon us with this:
When was the last time you could not vote because of your atheism?
When was the last time an atheist ran for president?
Huh? So, because people CHOOSE not to run, that somehow equates to you
not being given the vote? If you want to run for the Presidency, then
you can. Your atheism will not be a legal bar.
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| User: "Jenny6833A" |
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| Title: Re: New Billboard |
01 Sep 2005 06:54:30 PM |
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wrote:
If you want to run for the Presidency, then
you can. Your atheism will not be a legal bar.
But you won't be nominated, much less elected.
In these United States, an atheist can't even be nominated as an
ambassador without some nutcase senator putting a hold on the
nomination.
Same with nudists.
:-)
Jenny
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| User: "Jimmy B." |
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| Title: Re: New Billboard |
02 Sep 2005 10:04:00 PM |
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Jenny6833A wrote:
Donalbain@gmail.com wrote:
If you want to run for the Presidency, then
you can. Your atheism will not be a legal bar.
But you won't be nominated, much less elected.
In these United States, an atheist can't even be nominated as an
ambassador without some nutcase senator putting a hold on the
nomination.
Same with nudists.
:-)
Jenny
Personally, I have nothing against nudists, but I wouldn't want to see
most politicians nude. It would make for some pretty ugly press
conferences.
;-)
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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02 Sep 2005 10:23:40 PM |
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Jimmy B. wrote:
Jenny6833A wrote:
Donalbain@gmail.com wrote:
If you want to run for the Presidency, then
you can. Your atheism will not be a legal bar.
But you won't be nominated, much less elected.
In these United States, an atheist can't even be nominated as an
ambassador without some nutcase senator putting a hold on the
nomination.
Same with nudists.
:-)
Jenny
Personally, I have nothing against nudists, but I wouldn't want to see
most politicians nude. It would make for some pretty ugly press
conferences.
http://www.jerryfalwellnude.com
http://www.patrobertsonnude.com
http://www.gwbushnude.com
I shudder at the thought...
--
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "If God had intended us to walk, he wouldn't *
* have invented roller skates." --Willy Wonka *
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: New Billboard |
05 Sep 2005 12:29:29 AM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Jimmy B.
(jimpppe@NOSPAMearthlink.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
Jenny6833A wrote:
Donalbain@gmail.com wrote:
If you want to run for the Presidency, then
you can. Your atheism will not be a legal bar.
But you won't be nominated, much less elected.
In these United States, an atheist can't even be nominated as an
ambassador without some nutcase senator putting a hold on the
nomination.
Same with nudists.
:-)
Jenny
Personally, I have nothing against nudists, but I wouldn't want to see
most politicians nude. It would make for some pretty ugly press
conferences.
;-)
Well, as a nudist myself (and a rather overweight one at that) I can
vouch for other nudists who are accustomed to visiting nudist haunts,
it's not a visual thing, most of the time.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
Plonked by Raytard
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| User: "Jimmy B." |
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| Title: Re: New Billboard |
05 Sep 2005 07:51:35 PM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Jimmy B.
(jimpppe@NOSPAMearthlink.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
Jenny6833A wrote:
Donalbain@gmail.com wrote:
If you want to run for the Presidency, then
you can. Your atheism will not be a legal bar.
But you won't be nominated, much less elected.
In these United States, an atheist can't even be nominated as an
ambassador without some nutcase senator putting a hold on the
nomination.
Same with nudists.
:-)
Jenny
Personally, I have nothing against nudists, but I wouldn't want to see
most politicians nude. It would make for some pretty ugly press
conferences.
;-)
Well, as a nudist myself (and a rather overweight one at that) I can
vouch for other nudists who are accustomed to visiting nudist haunts,
it's not a visual thing, most of the time.
Yeah, I know that. I was trying to be funny.
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| User: "Apostate" |
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01 Sep 2005 08:48:22 PM |
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On 1 Sep 2005 11:54:30 -0700, "Jenny6833A" <Jenny6833A@aol.com> wrote:
Donalbain@gmail.com wrote:
If you want to run for the Presidency, then
you can. Your atheism will not be a legal bar.
But you won't be nominated, much less elected.
In these United States, an atheist can't even be nominated as an
ambassador without some nutcase senator putting a hold on the
nomination.
Same with nudists.
Just so we're clear what the discussion is, do you mean nudists who'd plan to fulfill their
ambassadorial duties in a state of total undress? (Not that there's anything /wrong/ with
that.)
:-)
Jenny
--
/Apostate
alt.atheist #1931 I've found it!
BAAWA Knife AND SMASHer
EAC Supernumerary Deputy Director, Department of Redundancy Department
plonked by Lani_girl, first post; Billions Served!
I doubt, therefore I might be.
"Mr. Worf, set phasers on "***** You" and fire at will."
. -- Doc Smartass
e-mail to lower-case only
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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01 Sep 2005 07:20:25 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet (Donalbain@gmail.com) made
the light shine upon us with this:
Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet (Donalbain@gmail.com) made
the light shine upon us with this:
When was the last time you could not vote because of your atheism?
When was the last time an atheist ran for president?
Huh? So, because people CHOOSE not to run, that somehow equates to you
not being given the vote? If you want to run for the Presidency, then
you can. Your atheism will not be a legal bar.
*****, you fiesty little toad.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
Plonked by Raytard
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: New Billboard |
01 Sep 2005 08:31:33 PM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet (Donalbain@gmail.com) made
the light shine upon us with this:
Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet (Donalbain@gmail.com) made
the light shine upon us with this:
When was the last time you could not vote because of your atheism?
When was the last time an atheist ran for president?
Huh? So, because people CHOOSE not to run, that somehow equates to you
not being given the vote? If you want to run for the Presidency, then
you can. Your atheism will not be a legal bar.
*****, you fiesty little toad.
Superb argument you have there. Now please tell me, when was the last
time ANY of your actual rights were not honoured because you are an
atheist?
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: New Billboard |
01 Sep 2005 06:19:03 AM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Dale
(dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96C3D18CD6CA0vicman@216.196.97.136...
[...]
Religion belongs in the home, and in the Church. That way we can all
get along without the kind of hatred that billboards like the one
mentioned above stir up. If an Atheist or a Jew stood on a street
corner holding signs advertizing the Jewish faith, or no faith at
all, what would you think? And in what way are billboards like this
one any different?
I think you're barking up the wrong tree and whoever you sent the
letter to will think you're just a crank. Congress shall make no law
respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free
exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech. If you want to
advertise christianity, judaism, hinduism, islam, or atheism, go for
it. It is your right as long as you have the money to do it.
Well, I have an opinion too. I don't have parishioners making donations
to me, so I can't counter it in the same way. And I don't have the lack
of morality it takes to trash it either. We'll see what the response is
(if any). But at least I've voiced my opinion, and I feel good about
that.
I expect to see religious signs and announcements in front of churches
and other religious establishments. Some of the signs in front of
churches are kind of funny. The occasional "God Bless America" bumper
sticker makes me groan, and I counter that with my own vehicular slogans.
But these idiots that think everyone else is wrong, and we must be shown
the error of our ways - I don't know, it's damn insulting to me. This is
why I publically ridicule the street corner preachers we get from time to
time, and it's why I'm trying to make an example of this latest
infestation of social backwash.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
Plonked by Raytard
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| User: "navi-gater" |
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07 Sep 2005 05:44:01 PM |
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Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote in
news:Xns96C3D18CD6CA0vicman@216.196.97.136:
I noticed a new billboard this afternoon on my way home from work, in
the city I call home. It says "So who says nobody ever did anything
for you" and depicts a hand with a spike pounded through the palm.
Below the whole mess is a line that says "Read the Bible - John 3:16"
Holy jumping jesus, can you believe it? Obvoiusly the billboard is
privately owned and will sell advertizing space to the highest bidder.
Isn't private enterprise wonderful?
I filed a complaint with the city via their website and requested
feedback. Then I wrote a letter to the city newspaper, text below.
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<snip>
-Vic Sagerquist
I doubt you'll get much action but personally I take satisfaction in
knowing that the "word of god" needs a bit of marketing these days. Heh.
gater.
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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| Title: Re: New Billboard |
01 Sep 2005 06:14:27 PM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
I noticed a new billboard this afternoon on my way home from work, in the
city I call home. It says "So who says nobody ever did anything for
you" and depicts a hand with a spike pounded through the palm. Below the
whole mess is a line that says "Read the Bible - John 3:16"
He could have at least done something *useful*.
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "" |
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01 Sep 2005 07:32:03 AM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
I noticed a new billboard this afternoon on my way home from work, in the
city I call home. It says "So who says nobody ever did anything for
you" and depicts a hand with a spike pounded through the palm. Below the
whole mess is a line that says "Read the Bible - John 3:16"
Holy jumping jesus, can you believe it? Obvoiusly the billboard is
privately owned and will sell advertizing space to the highest bidder.
Isn't private enterprise wonderful?
I filed a complaint with the city via their website and requested
feedback. Then I wrote a letter to the city newspaper, text below.
<Snipped the whining>
Holy crap. You actually wrote a letter of complaint because someone
advertised a faith? How fucking stupid is that? You are now EXACTLY the
sort of person the fundies whine about when they claim that atheists
are persecuting them.
Way to go.
Fucking moron.
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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01 Sep 2005 08:55:03 PM |
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writes:
Uncle Vic wrote:
I noticed a new billboard this afternoon on my way home from work, in the
city I call home. It says "So who says nobody ever did anything for
you" and depicts a hand with a spike pounded through the palm. Below the
whole mess is a line that says "Read the Bible - John 3:16"
Holy jumping jesus, can you believe it? Obvoiusly the billboard is
privately owned and will sell advertizing space to the highest bidder.
Isn't private enterprise wonderful?
I filed a complaint with the city via their website and requested
feedback. Then I wrote a letter to the city newspaper, text below.
<Snipped the whining>
Holy crap. You actually wrote a letter of complaint because someone
advertised a faith? How fucking stupid is that? You are now EXACTLY the
sort of person the fundies whine about when they claim that atheists
are persecuting them.
Way to go.
Y'know, I don't want my five-year-old exposed to the kind of
violence. You're perfectly willing to watch carnography in the privacy
of your own homes, but don't force it on me and my kids.
Elf
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| User: "JPG" |
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01 Sep 2005 11:21:17 AM |
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On 1 Sep 2005 00:32:03 -0700, wrote:
Holy crap. You actually wrote a letter of complaint because someone
advertised a faith? How fucking stupid is that? You are now EXACTLY the
sort of person the fundies whine about when they claim that atheists
are persecuting them.
Way to go.
Holey shite! So you counter what you consider to be a whine with your own
whine.
Way to go.
Fucking hypocrite..
Fucking moron.
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| User: "" |
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01 Sep 2005 12:42:34 PM |
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JPG wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 00:32:03 -0700, wrote:
Holy crap. You actually wrote a letter of complaint because someone
advertised a faith? How fucking stupid is that? You are now EXACTLY the
sort of person the fundies whine about when they claim that atheists
are persecuting them.
Way to go.
Holey shite! So you counter what you consider to be a whine with your own
whine.
Way to go.
Did I make any attempt to have his speech removed from public view? No.
Did I complain to the authorities asking for it to be removed? No. Did
I suggest that he should not have the right to speak as he did? No.
What I did was call him an idiot for doing it. And so, there is
hypocrisy involved.
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| User: "James" |
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01 Sep 2005 06:00:13 PM |
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wrote:
JPG wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 00:32:03 -0700, wrote:
Holy crap. You actually wrote a letter of complaint because someone
advertised a faith? How fucking stupid is that? You are now EXACTLY the
sort of person the fundies whine about when they claim that atheists
are persecuting them.
Way to go.
Holey shite! So you counter what you consider to be a whine with your own
whine.
Way to go.
Did I make any attempt to have his speech removed from public view? No.
Did I complain to the authorities asking for it to be removed? No. Did
I suggest that he should not have the right to speak as he did? No.
What I did was call him an idiot for doing it. And so, there is
hypocrisy involved.
He's allowed to voice an opinion too. Displays like this billboard are
tasteless, pointless, and insulting, and he had every right to make his
opinion clear.
What you did was insult him for stating on opinion. So *****, dipshit.
--
James B
aa #944
"A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence."
-David Hume
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| User: "" |
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01 Sep 2005 06:23:09 PM |
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James wrote:
wrote:
JPG wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 00:32:03 -0700, wrote:
Holy crap. You actually wrote a letter of complaint because someone
advertised a faith? How fucking stupid is that? You are now EXACTLY the
sort of person the fundies whine about when they claim that atheists
are persecuting them.
Way to go.
Holey shite! So you counter what you consider to be a whine with your own
whine.
Way to go.
Did I make any attempt to have his speech removed from public view? No.
Did I complain to the authorities asking for it to be removed? No. Did
I suggest that he should not have the right to speak as he did? No.
What I did was call him an idiot for doing it. And so, there is
hypocrisy involved.
He's allowed to voice an opinion too. Displays like this billboard are
tasteless, pointless, and insulting, and he had every right to make his
opinion clear.
What you did was insult him for stating on opinion. So *****, dipshit.
Nope. I insulted him for trying to prevent other people expressing
THEIR opinion. If he had simply said that he thought the billboard was
stupid, then I would have agreed with him. But, he went further than
that. That is why I insulted him.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: New Billboard |
01 Sep 2005 08:03:07 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet (Donalbain@gmail.com) made
the light shine upon us with this:
He's allowed to voice an opinion too. Displays like this billboard
are tasteless, pointless, and insulting, and he had every right to
make his opinion clear.
What you did was insult him for stating on opinion. So *****,
dipshit.
Nope. I insulted him for trying to prevent other people expressing
THEIR opinion. If he had simply said that he thought the billboard was
stupid, then I would have agreed with him. But, he went further than
that. That is why I insulted him.
You're supporting a Christian's right to get in your face with their
religion? You're no atheist. You're pathetic.
I've complained to the city about an eyesore, and I wrote a letter to the
editor of the local paper about it. Religious people complain daily
about advertizements containing scantily clad babes, ads for booze within
view of their children, they are even successful at censoring TV shows
and movies, and are on their way to be the ones who decide what YOU will
watch. So don't give me this "preventing other people from expressing
their opinion" *****. I'm fighting fire with fire, *****.
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Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
Plonked by Raytard
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: New Billboard |
01 Sep 2005 08:29:55 PM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet (Donalbain@gmail.com) made
the light shine upon us with this:
He's allowed to voice an opinion too. Displays like this billboard
are tasteless, pointless, and insulting, and he had every right to
make his opinion clear.
What you did was insult him for stating on opinion. So *****,
dipshit.
Nope. I insulted him for trying to prevent other people expressing
THEIR opinion. If he had simply said that he thought the billboard was
stupid, then I would have agreed with him. But, he went further than
that. That is why I insulted him.
You're supporting a Christian's right to get in your face with their
religion? You're no atheist.
Atheist: One who lacks belief in a deity.
Ohh yep! I am an atheist.
And yes, I support the right of all sorts of people to "get in my
face". How does that go..
"I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your
right to say it".
You're pathetic.
Says someone who wants to stifle points of view he disagrees with.
I've complained to the city about an eyesore, and I wrote a letter to the
editor of the local paper about it. Religious people complain daily
about advertizements containing scantily clad babes, ads for booze within
view of their children, they are even successful at censoring TV shows
and movies, and are on their way to be the ones who decide what YOU will
watch.
Yes, and when they do that, or boast about doing that, then I tell them
that they are wrong as well. And I will tell you that you are wrong as
well. I want to live in a society where we are free to have and express
all sorts of opinions (short of incitement and/or conspiracy to cause
actual harm of course).
So don't give me this "preventing other people from expressing
their opinion" *****.
But that is what you are doing.
I'm fighting fire with fire, *****.
Ohh a truly cunning plan..
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: New Billboard |
01 Sep 2005 04:31:19 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet () made
the light shine upon us with this:
JPG wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 00:32:03 -0700, wrote:
Holy crap. You actually wrote a letter of complaint because someone
advertised a faith? How fucking stupid is that? You are now EXACTLY
the sort of person the fundies whine about when they claim that
atheists are persecuting them.
Way to go.
Holey shite! So you counter what you consider to be a whine with
your own whine.
Way to go.
Did I make any attempt to have his speech removed from public view?
No. Did I complain to the authorities asking for it to be removed? No.
Did I suggest that he should not have the right to speak as he did?
No.
What I did was call him an idiot for doing it. And so, there is
hypocrisy involved.
The sign insinuates that people of other (or no) faith are wrong. The
hand with the spike through it is there to throw feelings of guilt toward
those who do not support the faith. It angers me. I stood up for my
beliefs, and if that angers you, too fucking bad you whiny-***** little
***** ant. If I bought ad time on a billboard and slammed the Christian
religion at the very least I would have my billboard trashed. At the
very worst I'd have a lynch mob burning crosses on my lawn. So there ya
have it, Einstein. It's city-supported opression. Back of the bus,
*****.
So how was church, O brainless one?
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
Plonked by Raytard
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: New Billboard |
01 Sep 2005 05:26:05 PM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet ( ) made
the light shine upon us with this:
JPG wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 00:32:03 -0700, wrote:
Holy crap. You actually wrote a letter of complaint because someone
advertised a faith? How fucking stupid is that? You are now EXACTLY
the sort of person the fundies whine about when they claim that
atheists are persecuting them.
Way to go.
Holey shite! So you counter what you consider to be a whine with
your own whine.
Way to go.
Did I make any attempt to have his speech removed from public view?
No. Did I complain to the authorities asking for it to be removed? No.
Did I suggest that he should not have the right to speak as he did?
No.
What I did was call him an idiot for doing it. And so, there is
hypocrisy involved.
The sign insinuates that people of other (or no) faith are wrong.
Nothing wrong with people saying you are wrong. Sorry, but sometimes
people will disagree with you. That is life. When you try to prevent
people disagreeing with you in public it just makes you look silly.
The
hand with the spike through it is there to throw feelings of guilt toward
those who do not support the faith.
Why would anyone who doesnt believe in Jesus as teh son of God feel
guilt about his crucifixion? Surely he was just another guy who got
killed by the Romans, I dont feel guilty about Spartacus' death, why
would I feel guilt about Jesus' death.
It angers me. I stood up for my
beliefs,
You stood up for your beliefs by trying to prevent other people
expressing their beliefs with their own money, in a way they choose.
and if that angers you, too fucking bad you whiny-***** little
***** ant. If I bought ad time on a billboard and slammed the Christian
religion at the very least I would have my billboard trashed.
Who slammed you or anything you believe in? They simply stated what
they believe. And I have seen billboards that advocate Islam and
Scientology. They are as "slamming" as the one you described, and I
havent seen any damage to them.
At the
very worst I'd have a lynch mob burning crosses on my lawn.
So there ya
have it, Einstein. It's city-supported opression.
City supported? The city owned the billboard? The city paid for the
advert?
Back of the bus,
*****.
Now that is kinda stupid. The Rosa Parks incident was a catalyst for
the civil rights movement that emancipated black people. At the time,
as long as not being allowed tos sit where they liked, blacks were also
prevented in many cases from voting, they were denied the right to the
education of their choosing and so forth. You have not been denied ANY
rights due to your atheism. This was discussed in a previous thread on
this group.
So how was church, O brainless one?
Haven't been for years. I am an atheist.
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| User: "Joseki" |
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| Title: Re: New Billboard |
01 Sep 2005 12:12:51 PM |
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Sorry Unie Vic, but the first amendment doers seem to allow these
billboards, where billboards are allowed.
You might just as well complain about fundies posting to alt.atheism.
Is anyone else concerned that *some* Christians use such graphic
violence to illustrate their points. Gibson's snuff film "The
Passion", this billboard, for goodness sakes Christians wear a death
instrument as their sign of faith.
Such is life in the 21st century(CE)..
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: New Billboard |
01 Sep 2005 02:18:14 PM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
I noticed a new billboard this afternoon on my way home from work, in the
city I call home. It says "So who says nobody ever did anything for
you" and depicts a hand with a spike pounded through the palm. Below the
whole mess is a line that says "Read the Bible - John 3:16"
Holy jumping jesus, can you believe it? Obvoiusly the billboard is
privately owned and will sell advertizing space to the highest bidder.
Isn't private enterprise wonderful?
- snip -
Personally, I think a better response would be to raise some money and get
your own billboard. Might I suggest a profile of Thomas Jefferson with an
excerpt from his letter to the Danbury Baptist Association: " I contemplate
with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared
that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of
religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of
separation between church and state." It could be part of a series, showing
Founding Fathers with their own statements about the value of a secular
society.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
- Robert Anton Wilson
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