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12 Jan 2007 04:20:35 AM |
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New Blue Law in Georgia |
New Blue Law in Georgia
http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/01/11/new-blue-law-in-georgia/
[excerpt]
January 11, 2007
New Blue Law in Georgia
In a surprising turn, new legislation in Georgia has made it illegal to
sell meat on Fridays during Lent. While it has been seen as an unchangeable
practice for years to ban Sunday sales of alcohol, Georgia has now become
the first state to expand the practice to non-alcohol goods.
The move is a surprise to most people, both in Georgia and around the
country. No other states have suggested plans to follow suit, but analysts
expect a ripple throughout the South as other evangelical-dominated states
consider similar legislation.
The justification for the law, by the legislators, seems unclear. Most have
taken a silent approach when asked, but it is largely thought that a small
minority of Christians convinced Georgia’s legislators that it was their
role to enforce dietary rules of religious observance. Pastor Bobby Smith,
of the New Life Church of Atlanta, did suggest that the rules were not
intended to bind people to religious observance, but purely as a
restriction of commerce:
“I’m not saying that people can’t eat meat on Fridays during Lent,”
Smith said, “I just think that we as a society should not be encouraging
it. If they want to buy their meat on Thursday, and eat it on Friday,
that’s just fine. This isn’t an infringement on anyone’s rights. After all,
we’re not making it illegal every day during Lent, just on Fridays. But
America was founded on Christian ideals, and I think we should respect the
Lord’s wishes on our observance of his laws.”
The new law has drawn ire from many sides. The ACLU issued a joint
statement with the American Atheists, threatening lawsuits based on the
separation of church and state. Most alcohol-related blue laws have
survived such challenges based on the 21st Amendment, but it’s unclear
whether the measure will have other legal cover. One Georgia legislator,
though, speaking on condition of anonymity, suggested that the court may be
the only option to fight this law:
[end excerpt]
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
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.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
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| User: "jls" |
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| Title: Re: New Blue Law in Georgia |
12 Jan 2007 08:03:02 AM |
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Hey, Buckie-Pooh, are you sure you haven't been flim-flammed on this
one?
Lent is a Catholic sanctimony. Is Georgia Catholic?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: New Blue Law in Georgia |
13 Jan 2007 02:34:49 AM |
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"jls" <jls1016@bellsouth.net> wrote:
:| Hey, Buckie-Pooh, are you sure you haven't been flim-flammed on this
:|one?
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:|Lent is a Catholic sanctimony. Is Georgia Catholic?
Gee guy maybe you should ask Brad Warbiany since he posted/wrote the
article.originally.
Apparently that escaped your limited intelligence .
Or perhaps you aren't qualified to click on a URL and read it . It did
state who the author was at the end.
Too bad for you.
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: New Blue Law in Georgia |
12 Jan 2007 10:17:03 AM |
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In article <1168610582.287033.30350@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> "jls" <jls1016@bellsouth.net> writes:
Hey, Buckie-Pooh, are you sure you haven't been flim-flammed on this
one?
Lent is a Catholic sanctimony. Is Georgia Catholic?
"a Catholic sanctimony"?
-- cary
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| User: "jls" |
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| Title: Re: New Blue Law in Georgia |
12 Jan 2007 12:04:07 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1168610582.287033.30350@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> "jls" <jls1016@bellsouth.net> writes:
Hey, Buckie-Pooh, are you sure you haven't been flim-flammed on this
one?
Lent is a Catholic sanctimony. Is Georgia Catholic?
"a Catholic sanctimony"?
-- cary
:)
Tongue in cheek, Kittrell. And every once in a while, I like to pop
Buckie one, he's so sure of himself.
Point is that the article was a satire and Buckie was caught, netted,
and bagged.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: New Blue Law in Georgia |
13 Jan 2007 02:35:05 AM |
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"jls" <jls1016@bellsouth.net> wrote:
:|
:|Cary Kittrell wrote:
:|> In article <1168610582.287033.30350@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> "jls" <jls1016@bellsouth.net> writes:
:|>
:|> > Hey, Buckie-Pooh, are you sure you haven't been flim-flammed on this
:|> > one?
:|> >
:|> > Lent is a Catholic sanctimony. Is Georgia Catholic?
:|> >
:|>
:|> "a Catholic sanctimony"?
:|>
:|>
:|> -- cary
:|
:|:)
:|Tongue in cheek, Kittrell. And every once in a while, I like to pop
:|Buckie one, he's so sure of himself.
:|
:|Point is that the article was a satire and Buckie was caught, netted,
:|and bagged.
Point is dude, I don't judge articles. Google supplies them, I post them.
The topic is church and state. I post those that are supportive as well as
opposing.
Now had you actually read far enough down in the article you would see that
the author was actually making a real life valid point. Did you miss that?
Yes, in case you’re wondering, I’ve made all this up.
Sadly, this appears to be the entire justification for the continuation of
blue laws. Many politicians fear the end of these laws simply because
they’re afraid to upset a core group of rabid constituents. It doesn’t
matter that the laws are hypocritical (as in legalizing the sale of
“immoral” alcohol but restricting it only one day of the week, unless
you’re in a restaurant, in which case it’s okay). Nor does it matter that
it’s an infringement upon the rights of people to engage in commerce. It
doesn’t even matter that most people don’t support the laws. Nobody in the
legislature has the courage to stand up and strike them down.
Posted By: Brad Warbiany @ 5:08 pm || Permalink || || Categories:
Individual Rights, Religious Liberty, Government Regulation
TrackBack URI:
http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/01/11/new-blue-law-in-georgia/trackback/
Read more posts from Brad Warbiany
It does my heart good though knowing I bug you.
Have a nice weekend
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: New Blue Law in Georgia |
12 Jan 2007 12:22:59 PM |
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In article <1168625047.815455.295580@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> "jls" <jls1016@bellsouth.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1168610582.287033.30350@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> "jls" <jls1016@bellsouth.net> writes:
Hey, Buckie-Pooh, are you sure you haven't been flim-flammed on this
one?
Lent is a Catholic sanctimony. Is Georgia Catholic?
"a Catholic sanctimony"?
-- cary
:)
Tongue in cheek, Kittrell. And every once in a while, I like to pop
Buckie one, he's so sure of himself.
Actually, I was questioning your use of the word "sanctimony".
Point is that the article was a satire
Indeed.
and Buckie was caught, netted,
and bagged.
-- cary
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| User: "bushlied" |
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| Title: Re: New Blue Law in Georgia |
13 Jan 2007 02:59:37 AM |
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jls wrote:
Hey, Buckie-Pooh, are you sure you haven't been flim-flammed on this
one?
Lent is a Catholic sanctimony. Is Georgia Catholic?
I took the following quote from the article:
"Yes, in case you're wondering, I've made all this up."
He was making a point of how ridiculous these blue laws are
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| User: "jls" |
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| Title: Re: New Blue Law in Georgia |
13 Jan 2007 07:17:58 AM |
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bushlied wrote:
jls wrote:
Hey, Buckie-Pooh, are you sure you haven't been flim-flammed on this
one?
Lent is a Catholic sanctimony. Is Georgia Catholic?
I took the following quote from the article:
"Yes, in case you're wondering, I've made all this up."
He was making a point of how ridiculous these blue laws are
Yes, and I agree blue laws are absurd, and per se unconstitutional.
Another way to confront them is to arrange to have them violated, call
in the media, etc., and then fight in court when some insolent
stiff-neck bureaucrat tries to enforce them.
BTW, just poking a little fun at Bucky-eye. He gets all bent out of
shape soooo easy. The service he performs in usenet is priceless,
however, so I'll leave him alone for awhile.
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| User: "Larry Hewitt" |
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| Title: Re: New Blue Law in Georgia |
13 Jan 2007 01:19:57 PM |
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"jls" <jls1016@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:1168694277.451273.231610@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
bushlied wrote:
jls wrote:
Hey, Buckie-Pooh, are you sure you haven't been flim-flammed on this
one?
Lent is a Catholic sanctimony. Is Georgia Catholic?
I took the following quote from the article:
"Yes, in case you're wondering, I've made all this up."
He was making a point of how ridiculous these blue laws are
Yes, and I agree blue laws are absurd, and per se unconstitutional.
Another way to confront them is to arrange to have them violated, call
in the media, etc., and then fight in court when some insolent
stiff-neck bureaucrat tries to enforce them.
Only if you want to end up in jail.
The religious reicj takes their blue laws seriously.
I live in Rick Hill, SC. The local paper, the Rock Hill Herald, surveyed us
to find the most important local story for 2006.
The winner?
Ending the ban on alcohol sales on Sundays.
The ban on Sunday alcolhol sales in SC is so prevalent it made New Years Day
this year a big news item, everyone calculating how much money state
businesses lost.
Other blue laws affecting retail sales of everything from cars to furniture
to kitchen appliances to clothing to even umbrellas remain in effect here,
and opposition to their repeal is so strong retailers have given up the
fight, for now.
Larry
BTW, just poking a little fun at Bucky-eye. He gets all bent out of
shape soooo easy. The service he performs in usenet is priceless,
however, so I'll leave him alone for awhile.
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| User: "Mark Peters" |
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| Title: Re: New Blue Law in Georgia |
13 Jan 2007 09:27:42 PM |
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In article <eobbd0$ums$1@news04.infoave.net>,
"Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote:
"jls" <jls1016@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:1168694277.451273.231610@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
bushlied wrote:
jls wrote:
Hey, Buckie-Pooh, are you sure you haven't been flim-flammed on this
one?
Lent is a Catholic sanctimony. Is Georgia Catholic?
I took the following quote from the article:
"Yes, in case you're wondering, I've made all this up."
He was making a point of how ridiculous these blue laws are
Yes, and I agree blue laws are absurd, and per se unconstitutional.
Another way to confront them is to arrange to have them violated, call
in the media, etc., and then fight in court when some insolent
stiff-neck bureaucrat tries to enforce them.
Only if you want to end up in jail.
The religious reicj takes their blue laws seriously.
I live in Rick Hill, SC. The local paper, the Rock Hill Herald, surveyed us
to find the most important local story for 2006.
The winner?
Ending the ban on alcohol sales on Sundays.
The ban on Sunday alcolhol sales in SC is so prevalent it made New Years Day
this year a big news item, everyone calculating how much money state
businesses lost.
Other blue laws affecting retail sales of everything from cars to furniture
to kitchen appliances to clothing to even umbrellas remain in effect here,
and opposition to their repeal is so strong retailers have given up the
fight, for now.
Larry
BTW, just poking a little fun at Bucky-eye. He gets all bent out of
shape soooo easy. The service he performs in usenet is priceless,
however, so I'll leave him alone for awhile.
In Illinois by law the automobile dealers are closed on Sunday. The
dealers worked to get the law passed because they wanted a day off and
did not trust each other.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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12 Jan 2007 03:20:40 PM |
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wrote in
news:56oeq2l9agcabgs4p2kjv7ujbg5u3qcp4b@4ax.com:
In a surprising turn, new legislation in Georgia has made it illegal
to sell meat on Fridays during Lent. While it has been seen as an
unchangeable practice for years to ban Sunday sales of alcohol,
Georgia has now become the first state to expand the practice to
non-alcohol goods.
I wonder if the religious idiots in Georgia have noticed the increase in
sales of alcohol on Saturday, or now the increase in meat sales on
Thursday. Anyone with a calendar can defeat blue laws.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Member: Intensional misspellingg club
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: New Blue Law in Georgia |
12 Jan 2007 03:25:54 PM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote in
news:56oeq2l9agcabgs4p2kjv7ujbg5u3qcp4b@4ax.com:
In a surprising turn, new legislation in Georgia has made it illegal
to sell meat on Fridays during Lent. While it has been seen as an
unchangeable practice for years to ban Sunday sales of alcohol,
Georgia has now become the first state to expand the practice to
non-alcohol goods.
I wonder if the religious idiots in Georgia have noticed the increase in
sales of alcohol on Saturday, or now the increase in meat sales on
Thursday. Anyone with a calendar can defeat blue laws.
No kidding. I've been buying two 12-packs on Saturday for so long, I've
forgotten that it's odd. Now if I could just get the room mate to do
the same thing...
(where's the #$%!#$% beer I bought!?!)
The other odd thing is that the city of Atlanta exempts bars and
restrants from the Sunday ban. So instead of buying it in the store and
going home to drink, many people simply drive into the city, drink at
bars, and then drive home drunk. Nice going, christian morons.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man, Sep 06
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "Hatter" |
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| Title: Re: New Blue Law in Georgia |
12 Jan 2007 11:46:21 AM |
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wrote:
New Blue Law in Georgia
http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/01/11/new-blue-law-in-georgia/
[excerpt]
January 11, 2007
New Blue Law in Georgia
so why did you neglect this part of the article?:
Yes, in case you're wondering, I've made all this up.
Sadly, this appears to be the entire justification for the continuation
of blue laws. Many politicians fear the end of these laws simply
because they're afraid to upset a core group of rabid constituents.
It doesn't matter that the laws are hypocritical (as in legalizing
the sale of "immoral" alcohol but restricting it only one day of
the week, unless you're in a restaurant, in which case it's okay).
Nor does it matter that it's an infringement upon the rights of
people to engage in commerce. It doesn't even matter that most people
don't support the laws. Nobody in the legislature has the courage to
stand up and strike them down.
You neglected this and crossposted it in newsgroups that might be
hostile to each other.
Trolling score: 4/10.
Hatter
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