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"Jerzy Jakubowski" |
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27 Feb 2004 10:08:41 AM |
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New content on www.usenetposts.com |
Among the new content is the Usenet Post of the month for February, (I
still haven't picked January's yet, I'll start from the beginning of
the year, if anyone's got some nomintaions, let me know)
I have also added a message about the gospel to the letter on the
front page, along with a plug for the Mel Gibson movie.
Let me know what you think.
Best,
Uncle Davey
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| User: "Routerider" |
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| Title: Re: New content on www.usenetposts.com |
28 Feb 2004 04:42:46 PM |
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"Jerzy Jakubowski" <branchofjesse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b9b3de8.0402270813.5f8c1280@posting.google.com...
Among the new content is the Usenet Post of the month for February, (I
still haven't picked January's yet, I'll start from the beginning of
the year, if anyone's got some nomintaions, let me know)
I have also added a message about the gospel to the letter on the
front page, along with a plug for the Mel Gibson movie.
Let me know what you think.
Best,
Uncle Davey
Why does everything end in an "owski" in Poland?
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: New content on www.usenetposts.com |
28 Feb 2004 04:52:17 PM |
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On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:42:46 +0000 (UTC), "Routerider"
<oneznzeroz@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
"Jerzy Jakubowski" <branchofjesse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b9b3de8.0402270813.5f8c1280@posting.google.com...
Among the new content is the Usenet Post of the month for February, (I
still haven't picked January's yet, I'll start from the beginning of
the year, if anyone's got some nomintaions, let me know)
I have also added a message about the gospel to the letter on the
front page, along with a plug for the Mel Gibson movie.
Let me know what you think.
Best,
Uncle Davey
Why does everything end in an "owski" in Poland?
Son of - like the Russion -ovich, the Irish O', the Scottish (and
Irish) Mac, the English -son (as in Stevenson) or even the Welsh
(short for Ap)
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: New content on www.usenetposts.com |
28 Feb 2004 09:29:41 PM |
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In talk.origins, "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
<fv6240l87qscv6imtseu6rea5hjbdnbeku@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:42:46 +0000 (UTC), "Routerider"
<oneznzeroz@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
"Jerzy Jakubowski" <branchofjesse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b9b3de8.0402270813.5f8c1280@posting.google.com...
Among the new content is the Usenet Post of the month for February, (I
still haven't picked January's yet, I'll start from the beginning of
the year, if anyone's got some nomintaions, let me know)
I have also added a message about the gospel to the letter on the
front page, along with a plug for the Mel Gibson movie.
Let me know what you think.
Best,
Uncle Davey
Why does everything end in an "owski" in Poland?
Son of - like the Russion -ovich, the Irish O', the Scottish (and
Irish) Mac, the English -son (as in Stevenson) or even the Welsh
(short for Ap)
Where did I get the idea that -wiez was the patronymic in Polish.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: New content on www.usenetposts.com |
28 Feb 2004 10:16:29 PM |
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David Jensen wrote:
In talk.origins, "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
<fv6240l87qscv6imtseu6rea5hjbdnbeku@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:42:46 +0000 (UTC), "Routerider"
<oneznzeroz@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
"Jerzy Jakubowski" <branchofjesse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b9b3de8.0402270813.5f8c1280@posting.google.com...
Among the new content is the Usenet Post of the month for February, (I
still haven't picked January's yet, I'll start from the beginning of
the year, if anyone's got some nomintaions, let me know)
I have also added a message about the gospel to the letter on the
front page, along with a plug for the Mel Gibson movie.
Let me know what you think.
Best,
Uncle Davey
Why does everything end in an "owski" in Poland?
Son of - like the Russion -ovich, the Irish O', the Scottish (and
Irish) Mac, the English -son (as in Stevenson) or even the Welsh
(short for Ap)
Where did I get the idea that -wiez was the patronymic in Polish.
I seem to recall reading somewhere that the -ski suffix represented
nobility, rather like the German "von".
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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| Title: Re: New content on www.usenetposts.com |
29 Feb 2004 05:02:44 AM |
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Użytkownik "Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> napisał w wiadomości
news:1042q64a9uhua89@news.supernews.com...
David Jensen wrote:
In talk.origins, "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
<fv6240l87qscv6imtseu6rea5hjbdnbeku@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:42:46 +0000 (UTC), "Routerider"
<oneznzeroz@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
"Jerzy Jakubowski" <branchofjesse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b9b3de8.0402270813.5f8c1280@posting.google.com...
Among the new content is the Usenet Post of the month for February, (I
still haven't picked January's yet, I'll start from the beginning of
the year, if anyone's got some nomintaions, let me know)
I have also added a message about the gospel to the letter on the
front page, along with a plug for the Mel Gibson movie.
Let me know what you think.
Best,
Uncle Davey
Why does everything end in an "owski" in Poland?
Son of - like the Russion -ovich, the Irish O', the Scottish (and
Irish) Mac, the English -son (as in Stevenson) or even the Welsh
(short for Ap)
Where did I get the idea that -wiez was the patronymic in Polish.
I seem to recall reading somewhere that the -ski suffix represented
nobility, rather like the German "von".
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
You're right.
See also the essay I wrote on Slavic names in this thread for further
details.
Uncle Davey
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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| Title: Re: New content on www.usenetposts.com |
29 Feb 2004 05:02:17 AM |
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Użytkownik "David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> napisał w wiadomości
news:1cn2401ecid43uvu4s8drntb8levfctkjc@4ax.com...
In talk.origins, "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
<fv6240l87qscv6imtseu6rea5hjbdnbeku@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:42:46 +0000 (UTC), "Routerider"
<oneznzeroz@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
"Jerzy Jakubowski" <branchofjesse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b9b3de8.0402270813.5f8c1280@posting.google.com...
Among the new content is the Usenet Post of the month for February, (I
still haven't picked January's yet, I'll start from the beginning of
the year, if anyone's got some nomintaions, let me know)
I have also added a message about the gospel to the letter on the
front page, along with a plug for the Mel Gibson movie.
Let me know what you think.
Best,
Uncle Davey
Why does everything end in an "owski" in Poland?
Son of - like the Russion -ovich, the Irish O', the Scottish (and
Irish) Mac, the English -son (as in Stevenson) or even the Welsh
(short for Ap)
Where did I get the idea that -wiez was the patronymic in Polish.
There is no system of patronymics in Polish. Russian, Belorussian and
Ukrainian have them.
Uncle Davey
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: New content on www.usenetposts.com |
29 Feb 2004 08:45:38 AM |
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In talk.origins, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in
<c1sh49$bgb$0@pita.alt.net>:
Użytkownik "David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> napisał w wiadomości
news:1cn2401ecid43uvu4s8drntb8levfctkjc@4ax.com...
In talk.origins, "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
<fv6240l87qscv6imtseu6rea5hjbdnbeku@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:42:46 +0000 (UTC), "Routerider"
<oneznzeroz@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
"Jerzy Jakubowski" <branchofjesse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b9b3de8.0402270813.5f8c1280@posting.google.com...
Among the new content is the Usenet Post of the month for February, (I
still haven't picked January's yet, I'll start from the beginning of
the year, if anyone's got some nomintaions, let me know)
I have also added a message about the gospel to the letter on the
front page, along with a plug for the Mel Gibson movie.
Let me know what you think.
Best,
Uncle Davey
Why does everything end in an "owski" in Poland?
Son of - like the Russion -ovich, the Irish O', the Scottish (and
Irish) Mac, the English -son (as in Stevenson) or even the Welsh
(short for Ap)
Where did I get the idea that -wiez was the patronymic in Polish.
I guess that's usually spelled -wicz, my mistake.
There is no system of patronymics in Polish. Russian, Belorussian and
Ukrainian have them.
The -vich, -wicz suffixes appear to be cognates. Why do you say they
were not patronymics (unless you mean that the patronymics have been
converted to family names as most Scandinavians have done)?
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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| Title: Re: New content on www.usenetposts.com |
01 Mar 2004 03:07:18 PM |
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Użytkownik "David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> napisał w wiadomości
news:qqu340pb42i403m575cg7ofh9s56j94geb@4ax.com...
In talk.origins, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in
<c1sh49$bgb$0@pita.alt.net>:
Użytkownik "David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> napisał w
wiadomości
news:1cn2401ecid43uvu4s8drntb8levfctkjc@4ax.com...
In talk.origins, "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
<fv6240l87qscv6imtseu6rea5hjbdnbeku@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:42:46 +0000 (UTC), "Routerider"
<oneznzeroz@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
"Jerzy Jakubowski" <branchofjesse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b9b3de8.0402270813.5f8c1280@posting.google.com...
Among the new content is the Usenet Post of the month for February,
(I
still haven't picked January's yet, I'll start from the beginning
of
the year, if anyone's got some nomintaions, let me know)
I have also added a message about the gospel to the letter on the
front page, along with a plug for the Mel Gibson movie.
Let me know what you think.
Best,
Uncle Davey
Why does everything end in an "owski" in Poland?
Son of - like the Russion -ovich, the Irish O', the Scottish (and
Irish) Mac, the English -son (as in Stevenson) or even the Welsh
(short for Ap)
Where did I get the idea that -wiez was the patronymic in Polish.
I guess that's usually spelled -wicz, my mistake.
I figured that.
There is no system of patronymics in Polish. Russian, Belorussian and
Ukrainian have them.
The -vich, -wicz suffixes appear to be cognates. Why do you say they
were not patronymics (unless you mean that the patronymics have been
converted to family names as most Scandinavians have done)?
In that sense they could have been historically speaking patronymics, as the
Welsh names were, and then at one point crystallised into the surname. In
Iceland they still haven't crystallised, of couse, and in Russian, Ukrainian
and Belorussian you have both the surname and the patronymic, for example a
Belorussian I know is called Viktor Nikolayevitch Sakovitch.
Incidentally, if you are born in Russia, you must have a patronymic.
My daughter Tatyana was born in Moscow two years ago, and we wanted to
called her Tatyana Mary James, but they weren't letting us get away with not
having a patronymic, although I disagree with making your kids be forced to
repeat your name on principle, and so all her documents have the curious
combination 'Tatyana Mary Davidovna James', with various levels of success
in retransliterating that into latin letters.
Uncle Davey
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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| Title: Re: New content on www.usenetposts.com |
29 Feb 2004 04:44:15 AM |
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Użytkownik "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> napisał w wiadomości
news:fv6240l87qscv6imtseu6rea5hjbdnbeku@4ax.com...
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:42:46 +0000 (UTC), "Routerider"
<oneznzeroz@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
"Jerzy Jakubowski" <branchofjesse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b9b3de8.0402270813.5f8c1280@posting.google.com...
Among the new content is the Usenet Post of the month for February, (I
still haven't picked January's yet, I'll start from the beginning of
the year, if anyone's got some nomintaions, let me know)
I have also added a message about the gospel to the letter on the
front page, along with a plug for the Mel Gibson movie.
Let me know what you think.
Best,
Uncle Davey
Why does everything end in an "owski" in Poland?
Son of - like the Russion -ovich, the Irish O', the Scottish (and
Irish) Mac, the English -son (as in Stevenson) or even the Welsh
(short for Ap)
The 'ov' or 'ow' part reflects the 'son of' aspect.
so does the '(w/v/-)+(ich/itz/ic/icz)' ending.
They appear one or another, as o' or mac/mc in goidelic names, but also you
can find both, as in my wife's maiden name 'lewkowicz'
The 'ov'/'ow' surname ending is a derivation from the slavonic genitive
plural. So 'Ivanov' means 'of the Johns'. 'Popov' means 'of the priests',
Kuznetsov means 'of the blackmiths' etc.
The -itch or -vitch ending for direct descendent of is a bit like the anglo
saxon form -ling. A kings son, which was aetheling in AS, is krolewicz in
Slavic. The ending also signifies a patronymic in Russian. Russians having
such surnames are identifiably of west slavic or south slavic origin, and
also Belorussians have these surnames very frequently.
-ski is an adjectival ending, very frequently added to place names. As a
surname, especially in Poland, this implies a descendency from the
'szlachta', or nobility. A Polish name in
-ski carries the same slight snob value of a name in 'de' in French 'van' in
Dutch or 'von' in German, 'ter-' in Armenian, etc.
If you see a name in Poland where an -ow element is followed by -ski, then
the -ow is likely to be derived from a place name, rather than a person.
The place name, in turn, may or may not have derived from a personal name.
Eg. Laskowski denotes someone whose ancsetor that first bore the name had
his estate at Lask, or Laski or Laskow.
There is no given name 'lask' or 'laska', although the latter is Polish for
'grace'.
Best,
Uncle Davey
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| User: "\Rev Dr\ Lenny Flank" |
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29 Feb 2004 02:39:52 PM |
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Jerzy Jakubowski wrote:
Among the new content is the Usenet Post of the month for February, (I
still haven't picked January's yet, I'll start from the beginning of
the year, if anyone's got some nomintaions, let me know)
I have also added a message about the gospel to the letter on the
front page, along with a plug for the Mel Gibson movie.
Let me know what you think.
I think you're a lying troll. <shrug>
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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01 Mar 2004 02:04:09 PM |
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Użytkownik ""Rev Dr" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> napisał w
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Jerzy Jakubowski wrote:
Among the new content is the Usenet Post of the month for February, (I
still haven't picked January's yet, I'll start from the beginning of
the year, if anyone's got some nomintaions, let me know)
I have also added a message about the gospel to the letter on the
front page, along with a plug for the Mel Gibson movie.
Let me know what you think.
I think you're a lying troll. <shrug>
Same to you.
Uncle Davey
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