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29 Nov 2007 02:11:04 AM |
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New Film Promoting Atheism? (WVLT-TV Knoxville) |
http://www.ng2000.com/fw.php?tp=atheism
11/29/2007: First it was "The Lord of the Rings," then "Harry Potter," and now there's another children's adventure movie coming out that is offending some Christians.
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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| Title: Re: New Film Promoting Atheism? (WVLT-TV Knoxville) |
29 Nov 2007 08:12:31 AM |
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writes:
http://www.ng2000.com/fw.php?tp=atheism
11/29/2007: First it was "The Lord of the Rings," then "Harry
Potter," and now there's another children's adventure movie coming
out that is offending some Christians.
Wait, that's wrong. The Lord of the Rings is a subtle
Christian allegory.
Bah. Who expects the MSM to get anything right anyway?
Elf
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Elf M. Sternberg, Immanentizing the Eschaton since 1988
http://www.pendorwright.com/
"You know how some people treat their body like a temple?
I treat mine like issa amusement park!" - Kei
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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| Title: Re: New Film Promoting Atheism? (WVLT-TV Knoxville) |
29 Nov 2007 10:47:38 AM |
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On Nov 29, 8:12 am, Elf M. Sternberg <e...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
ad...@ng2000.com writes:
http://www.ng2000.com/fw.php?tp=atheism
11/29/2007: First it was "The Lord of the Rings," then "Harry
Potter," and now there's another children's adventure movie coming
out that is offending some Christians.
Wait, that's wrong. The Lord of the Rings is a subtle
Christian allegory.
I don't think so. Tolkien was disdainful of allegory, and publicly
disclaimed any intent to write it.
<snip>
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: New Film Promoting Atheism? (WVLT-TV Knoxville) |
29 Nov 2007 08:28:14 AM |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:12:31 -0800, Elf M. Sternberg
<elf@speakeasy.net> wrote:
admin@ng2000.com writes:
http://www.ng2000.com/fw.php?tp=atheism
11/29/2007: First it was "The Lord of the Rings," then "Harry
Potter," and now there's another children's adventure movie coming
out that is offending some Christians.
Wait, that's wrong. The Lord of the Rings is a subtle
Christian allegory.
I never noticed this - but then I've never been a Christian.
Heck, it was maybe a decade after reading the Lion, Witch and Wardrobe
that I realised Aslan was meant to be Jesus - when a modern literature
lecturer pointed it out. I hadn't even realised Lewis was a religious
nutter back then.
To me it was just the traditional hero figure story told from the
kids' perspective. The lecturer did concede the heroes of the Greek
and other myths though.
Bah. Who expects the MSM to get anything right anyway?
Elf
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| User: "Sara Brum" |
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| Title: Re: New Film Promoting Atheism? (WVLT-TV Knoxville) |
29 Nov 2007 09:04:54 AM |
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"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:veitk3du78su3fkb985u8dir9bil2dvj7q@4ax.com...
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:12:31 -0800, Elf M. Sternberg
<elf@speakeasy.net> wrote:
admin@ng2000.com writes:
http://www.ng2000.com/fw.php?tp=atheism
11/29/2007: First it was "The Lord of the Rings," then "Harry
Potter," and now there's another children's adventure movie coming
out that is offending some Christians.
Wait, that's wrong. The Lord of the Rings is a subtle
Christian allegory.
I never noticed this - but then I've never been a Christian.
Heck, it was maybe a decade after reading the Lion, Witch and Wardrobe
that I realised Aslan was meant to be Jesus - when a modern literature
lecturer pointed it out. I hadn't even realised Lewis was a religious
nutter back then.
To me it was just the traditional hero figure story told from the
kids' perspective. The lecturer did concede the heroes of the Greek
and other myths though.
You might find this of interest:
http://atheism.about.com/od/cslewisnarnia/a/jrrtolkein.htm
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: New Film Promoting Atheism? (WVLT-TV Knoxville) |
29 Nov 2007 09:08:00 AM |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:04:54 GMT, "Sara Brum" <sarabrum@medulla.cöm>
wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:veitk3du78su3fkb985u8dir9bil2dvj7q@4ax.com...
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:12:31 -0800, Elf M. Sternberg
<elf@speakeasy.net> wrote:
admin@ng2000.com writes:
http://www.ng2000.com/fw.php?tp=atheism
11/29/2007: First it was "The Lord of the Rings," then "Harry
Potter," and now there's another children's adventure movie coming
out that is offending some Christians.
Wait, that's wrong. The Lord of the Rings is a subtle
Christian allegory.
I never noticed this - but then I've never been a Christian.
Heck, it was maybe a decade after reading the Lion, Witch and Wardrobe
that I realised Aslan was meant to be Jesus - when a modern literature
lecturer pointed it out. I hadn't even realised Lewis was a religious
nutter back then.
To me it was just the traditional hero figure story told from the
kids' perspective. The lecturer did concede the heroes of the Greek
and other myths though.
You might find this of interest:
http://atheism.about.com/od/cslewisnarnia/a/jrrtolkein.htm
The page says it is obvious. But it isn't if you weren't raised
Christian.
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| User: "Sara Brum" |
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| Title: Re: New Film Promoting Atheism? (WVLT-TV Knoxville) |
29 Nov 2007 09:34:54 AM |
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"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:ocltk3p629p117tfdsf5g56aik5jdfjfhf@4ax.com...
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:04:54 GMT, "Sara Brum" <sarabrum@medulla.cöm>
wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:veitk3du78su3fkb985u8dir9bil2dvj7q@4ax.com...
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:12:31 -0800, Elf M. Sternberg
<elf@speakeasy.net> wrote:
admin@ng2000.com writes:
http://www.ng2000.com/fw.php?tp=atheism
11/29/2007: First it was "The Lord of the Rings," then "Harry
Potter," and now there's another children's adventure movie coming
out that is offending some Christians.
Wait, that's wrong. The Lord of the Rings is a subtle
Christian allegory.
I never noticed this - but then I've never been a Christian.
Heck, it was maybe a decade after reading the Lion, Witch and Wardrobe
that I realised Aslan was meant to be Jesus - when a modern literature
lecturer pointed it out. I hadn't even realised Lewis was a religious
nutter back then.
To me it was just the traditional hero figure story told from the
kids' perspective. The lecturer did concede the heroes of the Greek
and other myths though.
You might find this of interest:
http://atheism.about.com/od/cslewisnarnia/a/jrrtolkein.htm
The page says it is obvious. But it isn't if you weren't raised
Christian.
Indeed. I was raised "Church of England", by which I mean that's the box
that was checked on official forms. My parents were never interested in
religion, so my only exposure to it was in religious instruction classes in
primary school, which always struck me as a load of old codswallop. I also
missed the Chrisitan allegory until it was pointed out to me.
What I thought you might find of interest in the link provided is the
relationship between Tolkien and Lewis, and Tolkien's opinion of Lewis's
writing.
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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| Title: Re: New Film Promoting Atheism? (WVLT-TV Knoxville) |
29 Nov 2007 10:39:43 AM |
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In article <veitk3du78su3fkb985u8dir9bil2dvj7q@
4ax.com>, Christopher A.Lee said...
Heck, it was maybe a decade after reading the Lion,
Witch and Wardrobe that I realised Aslan was meant
to be Jesus
My parents were Christian. When I read LWW, I found
the allegory to have all the subtlety of a fast-bound
freight train loaded with lead ingots slamming into me
in the middle of a windstorm. I was knocked clean out
of Narnia, caromed from an interesting fantasy
landscape and into the Valley of the Shadow of Death
in Bunyan's _The Pilgrim's Progress_.
And like the character in that novel, I soon found
myself imprisoned by a giant Despair. I realized that
the plot lines in LWW had been contrived as
scaffolding to support the Jesus allegory. If you've
ever accidentally visited one of those fake haunted
houses Fundamentalists set up at a Halloween, you'll
recognize the same feeling of annoyance and betrayal.
--
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: New Film Promoting Atheism? (WVLT-TV Knoxville) |
29 Nov 2007 04:56:22 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:28:14 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:12:31 -0800, Elf M. Sternberg
<elf@speakeasy.net> wrote:
admin@ng2000.com writes:
http://www.ng2000.com/fw.php?tp=atheism
11/29/2007: First it was "The Lord of the Rings," then "Harry
Potter," and now there's another children's adventure movie coming
out that is offending some Christians.
Wait, that's wrong. The Lord of the Rings is a subtle
Christian allegory.
I never noticed this - but then I've never been a Christian.
Heck, it was maybe a decade after reading the Lion, Witch and Wardrobe
that I realised Aslan was meant to be Jesus - when a modern literature
lecturer pointed it out. I hadn't even realised Lewis was a religious
nutter back then.
To me it was just the traditional hero figure story told from the
kids' perspective. The lecturer did concede the heroes of the Greek
and other myths though.
I had pretty much the same reaction when I borrowed the series
on-by-one from the Primary School library, and devoured the fantasy
world.
(I must have been around 9 at the time).
It wasn't until I was around 17 that a Minister friend pointed at they
were supposed to be Christian parables of some sort.
I can kinda see it now, but the message is VERY different from that of
the NT.
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| User: "David V." |
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| Title: Re: New Film Promoting Atheism? (WVLT-TV Knoxville) |
29 Nov 2007 09:44:54 AM |
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wrote:
http://www.ng2000.com/fw.php?tp=atheism
11/29/2007: First it was "The Lord of the Rings," then "Harry
Potter," and now there's another children's adventure movie
coming out that is offending some Christians.
Why should we care if they are offended? It's almost a guarantee
that not one of those allegedly offended self proclaimed
christians have read any of the books involved.
--
Dave
You measure a democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents,
not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
- Abbie Hoffman
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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| Title: Re: New Film Promoting Atheism? (WVLT-TV Knoxville) |
29 Nov 2007 05:21:01 PM |
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On Nov 29, 1:11 am, wrote:
http://www.ng2000.com/fw.php?tp=atheism
11/29/2007: First it was "The Lord of the Rings," then "Harry Potter," and now there's another children's adventure movie coming out that is offending some Christians.
And Bill Maher's documentary about religion is currently being cut and
is due to be released in April! Knowing Bill, it will offend just
about every flavor of theist there is.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "jcon" |
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| Title: Re: New Film Promoting Atheism? (WVLT-TV Knoxville) |
29 Nov 2007 08:17:24 AM |
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On Nov 29, 2:11 am, wrote:
http://www.ng2000.com/fw.php?tp=atheism
11/29/2007: First it was "The Lord of the Rings," then "Harry Potter," and now there's another
children's adventure movie coming out that is offending some Christians.
It's true that the Trilogy is highly critical of organized religion.
On the other hand,
the story has lots of magic, the afterlife, God (sort of), and in
short
makes Lord of the Rings look like a realistic WWII documentary, so I
think the
claim that it "promotes atheism" is pretty off base.
Also, IIRC, none of the "controversial" stuff is in the first book
anyway, so if
Bill Donohue hadn't started whimpering, no one would have even
noticed.
I think some people need to go to www.dictionary.com and look up
"fantasy".
-jc
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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| Title: Re: New Film Promoting Atheism? (WVLT-TV Knoxville) |
29 Nov 2007 10:54:49 AM |
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On Nov 29, 8:17 am, jcon <cirej...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 29, 2:11 am, wrote:
http://www.ng2000.com/fw.php?tp=atheism
11/29/2007: First it was "The Lord of the Rings," then "Harry Potter," and now there's another
children's adventure movie coming out that is offending some Christians.
It's true that the Trilogy is highly critical of organized religion.
On the other hand,
the story has lots of magic, the afterlife, God (sort of), and in
short
makes Lord of the Rings look like a realistic WWII documentary, so I
think the
claim that it "promotes atheism" is pretty off base.
Pullman has called them his response to Narnia. That said, the primary
"message" was more about questioning any authority, and just used the
fictional Authority as the embodiment of the concept, in my opinion.
Also, IIRC, none of the "controversial" stuff is in the first book
anyway, so if
Bill Donohue hadn't started whimpering, no one would have even
noticed.
Well, it's no secret the Church is the bad guy in the first. You just
don't run into the self-flagellant pedophile priest until the second,
if I remember correctly.
I think some people need to go towww.dictionary.comand look up
"fantasy".
Well that's the whole problem isn't it? If they could tell fact from
fiction, they wouldn't be Christians.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: New Film Promoting Atheism? (WVLT-TV Knoxville) |
29 Nov 2007 03:05:45 AM |
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\On 29 Nov 2007 03:11:04 -0500, wrote:
http://www.ng2000.com/fw.php?tp=atheism
11/29/2007: First it was "The Lord of the Rings," then "Harry Potter," and now there's another children's adventure movie coming out that is offending some Christians.
Penicillin "offends" most bacteria.
So what?
The parasitic theist memes, especially the more toxic, are in a
struggle for survival.
One must expect duplicity and dishonesty to emanate from the orifices
of the scourges' host meat-robots.
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