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"loose cannon" |
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11 Jun 2005 04:40:51 AM |
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New Mexico New Home To Minutemen |
The Minutemen are America's true patriots. These people put their lives
on the line to protect us from illegal border crossings. This is our
first line of defense against the jihadists.
New Mexico New Home To Minutemen
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- The controversial Minuteman Project now has a
chapter in New Mexico.
The Las Cruces Sun-News reported in its Thursday morning edition that
New Mexico was the last of four border states to form a chapter of the
organization.
A statement from the chapter's leader said the organization would act
as a neighborhood watch along the border.
Members of the U.S. Border patrol said although the effort is
appreciated, they would prefer it if the Minutemen would leave the job
of protecting the country's borders to its highly trained agents.
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| User: "Jeff Welch" |
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| Title: Re: New Mexico New Home To Minutemen |
11 Jun 2005 06:20:16 AM |
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"loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> wrote in message
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The Minutemen are America's true patriots.
No they're not - they're a bunch of beer-drinking, pot-smoking inbred
hillbillys.
These people put their lives on the line
"Put their lives on the line"?
HOW??
We have people for that.
-Jeff
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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| Title: Re: New Mexico New Home To Minutemen |
11 Jun 2005 08:16:25 AM |
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You obviously haven't a fucking clue about who these people are at
all!!!
Perhaps if you got your communist head out of your coffee-filled arse
you might learn something.
"Jeff Welch" <seattledemocracy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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: "loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> wrote in message
: news:1118464850.954618.293560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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: > The Minutemen are America's true patriots.
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: No they're not - they're a bunch of beer-drinking, pot-smoking inbred
: hillbillys.
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: > These people put their lives on the line
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: "Put their lives on the line"?
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: HOW??
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: We have people for that.
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: -Jeff
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: New Mexico New Home To Minutemen |
11 Jun 2005 07:07:03 PM |
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"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
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You obviously haven't a fucking clue about who these people are at
all!!!
Perhaps if you got your communist head out of your coffee-filled arse
you might learn something.
Oh no!
The big bad scary Commies are gonna git me!
Oh no!
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| User: "Jeff Welch" |
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| Title: Re: New Mexico New Home To Minutemen |
11 Jun 2005 03:28:09 PM |
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"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
news:wpxqe.82704$6k7.14048@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
You obviously haven't a fucking clue about who these people are at
all!!!
Actually I do:
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The angry patriot
Enraged by illegal immigration and traumatized by 9/11, Chris Simcox
convinced hundreds of volunteers to join his Minuteman Project. Their goal:
Seal the border and restore their American dream.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
By Christopher Ketcham
May 11, 2005 | PALOMINAS, Ariz. -- High drama suits Chris Simcox. You
imagine that even when he's home alone talking to his cat, he acts as if
he's addressing a sea of people. The hyperactive and bone-thin 43-year-old
is the key organizer of and barker for the Minuteman Project, the citizen
border patrol that in April sought with a single bold stroke to put a stop
to illegal immigration along the Arizona-Mexico border. On the eighth day of
the project, in the Arizona village of Palominas, Simcox is briefing 10 new
recruits in a dirt lot near an oily little restaurant called the Trading
Post. Several R.V. campers squat in the lot near a Port-O-San. Beyond is the
empty scrub desert and two miles away the Mexican border.
"The government can't afford to let this thing succeed," Simcox tells the
anxious men. "So stick to the SOP. That's the most important thing."
Standard operating procedure is to call the U.S. Border Patrol at the sight
of anyone trying to sneak across the border. Added to the tension is the
news that Simcox has received death threats, supposedly from a Central
American gang lord; he wears a bulletproof vest.
He tells the men they can carry pistols but they should not try to capture
or detain migrants; there should be no contact at all between the Minutemen
and their quarry. "It's gonna get boring because we have to shut down this
border," he continues. "But don't get suckered into an encounter. People
coming across to work are victims. Just as you are. Your most effective
weapon is your video camera. Someone approaches, your video camera is on!"
This is the new Chris Simcox, the politically correct, sanitized version. In
January 2003, federal park rangers arrested Simcox after he wandered onto
national parkland in search of illegal immigrants. In his possession was a
loaded pistol, two walkie-talkies, a police scanner, a cellphone, a digital
camera and what appeared to be a toy figurine of Wyatt Earp on a horse.
But being convicted on a misdemeanor firearms charge and serving a year of
probation obviously got to him. He put away his revolver, re-angled his
rhetoric and ultimately netted hundreds of volunteers to his cause. Standing
near the border, whipped by the desert wind, Simcox tells me, "This is the
Boston tea party! We are reestablishing the can-do attitude! We're tough and
tenacious but humane and civilized. We are the American spirit. We say no,
we mean no. The word is 'temerity' -- rock-solid character! We are
challenging two governments. This is about will."
The Minuteman Project commenced operations on April Fool's Day in the
cardboard cowboy town of Tombstone. Day and night, nearly 900 working-class
men and women from across the country, nearly all of them white, stood guard
at half-mile intervals along a 23-mile stretch of the Mexican border in
southeastern Arizona. Some carried pistols, some binoculars, some held
scribbled signs, some sat in lawn chairs. They were angry and worried and
depressed. To them, the deluge of illegal immigrants stole American jobs,
drove down wages, burdened city services, and spawned crime waves. They
loved their country but hated their government. It was failing to protect
them and its own sovereignty. The American dream was dying on the border.
At the end of the month, the Minutemen announced with great fanfare that
their presence, and their reports to the U.S. Bureau of Customs and Border
Protection, had reduced illegal crossings on their little stretch of border
by more than 98 percent, from 800 to 13 per day. California Gov. Arnold
Schwarzenegger swallowed the hype, declaring that the Minutemen had done "a
terrific job" in preventing illegals from crossing the border. He even
suggested that they move the operation to California's equally porous
border.
Federal customs officials, however, responded that the Minutemen did little
more than get in their way; they were especially annoyed that the good
citizens kept tripping motion detectors hidden in the brush. What neither
border officials nor immigration experts deny, though, is that the Minuteman
Project focused the hot light of the media on the world of problems
surrounding illegal immigration.
"It seemed there were more stories in the papers about the Minutemen than
there were migrants apprehended," says Tamar Jacoby, author of "Reinventing
the Melting Pot: The New Immigrants and What It Means to Be American." "But
they put the issue back in the news, that's for sure."
In 2004, more than 1 million illegal immigrants were captured on the Mexican
border. In the previous 10 years, at least 2,500 died in the crossing from
sun, cold, thirst. If the wrath of the desert didn't kill them, the pitiful
conditions provided them by black-market smugglers did. The human flood
resulted in endless troubles for patrol agents, who in greater numbers than
ever were being shot at, stoned, ambushed, both by migrants and drug
traffickers. In 2004, there were 118 assaults on border agents in just the
30 miles of border stretching east and west of Palominas.
With the migrations, violence and human smuggling, "People are right to be
frustrated and angry with the border problem," says Jacoby. "Nobody can
quarrel with the point that the system's broken."
Simcox, with his maniacal and often shameless declarations about
immigration, and his contradictory sympathy for migrants, whom he appears to
hate for coming to his country, is already imagining an outsize place for
himself in the history books. He sees himself as the lone man who will fix
the system and close down the border.
I got to know Simcox in the winter of 2003. I was in Arizona writing about a
group of border "vigilantes" called Ranch Rescue, a heavily armed militia
led by the baby-faced blowhard Jack Foote, who talked of invading Mexico and
killing the leaders (though Foote, a former U.S. Army officer, had himself
never seen action). The Ranch Rescuers wore camouflage fatigues, painted
their faces, and tracked down migrants on midnight forays, carrying
Kalashnikovs, Glocks and extra ammo. Occasionally their hunts went awry. One
of Foote's militiamen was arrested in 2003 on assault charges after
allegedly pistol-whipping a migrant waylaid deep in the desert. Mostly,
though, the militiamen drank beer and whiskey and ate beans out of cans and
smoked a lot of pot, which I found strange, as much of their mission was to
interdict drugs. "Only if it comes in legally do we want it," the men told
me, not realizing the ridiculousness of the logic.
But the drunken GI Joes weren't really Simcox's scene. He was a loner. In
December 2003, I camped out with him for a night of watch in the desert
plain near Palominas. He regaled me with the long arc of his life that
brought him to the desert.
For 13 years, he taught kids at the private Wildwood School in Los Angeles.
The school was "famous for teaching tolerance and diversity to the kids," he
said. But he didn't mean that in a good way. Liberalism, he said, had
produced the kind of tolerance that allowed illegal immigrants to pour into
L.A. and form gangs. When he was young, he said, he produced rap albums in
New York City, where, twice, he got mugged by people who didn't speak
English.
After 9/11, Simcox confessed that he went crazy. He got fired from the
school, his wife divorced him and took their teenage son. "My life
collapsed," he said. He exiled himself to the Arizona desert, to Organ Pipe
Cactus National Monument, a remote and hallucinatory place where the cactus
looked like men with guns, or women dancing. He began to call himself a 21st
century Paul Revere, certain that terrorists were creeping across the
border.
One hot night, Simcox said, he was hiking and saw a convoy of troops in
trucks and jeeps moving fast, escorted by jogging men carrying AK-47s.
Simcox hid in a pinnacle of rock, terrified, awed. He went to the park
rangers, who shrugged. "They're drug dealers," the rangers said. "Calm
down." "Calm down!" Simcox told me. "No! This was an army! September 11!
They're crossing the border! And these guys aren't gonna do anything about
it!"
Simcox lived in the desert alone in his tent for three months, watching the
drug convoys come. "I wanted to join the Border Patrol," he said. "They said
I was too old. Too old? Our country is under attack! I applied to the Army,
the Navy, Air Force, Marines -- too old!" A few days before Christmas, 2001,
while camping in the high desert, the cold morning froze the zipper on his
tent and so he melted it open with his cook stove. "That was it for me," he
said. "I came in from the wilderness."
Simcox drained all his accounts, even those he'd saved for his child, and
bought a local newspaper, the Tombstone Tumbleweed. He front-paged his plea:
"A public call to arms! Citizens border patrol now forming! Protect your
country in a time of war!" He exhorted Americans to "wake up" because "we
cannot rely on law enforcement to enforce the laws." In an open letter to
George W. Bush, Simcox warned: "You can stop me by throwing me in jail,
killing me or otherwise ... What you cannot change is my passion."
Simcox enlisted a handful of men to his cause and they called themselves the
Civilian Homeland Defense. They were disorganized, though, and Simcox often
went on search missions by himself.
One cold morning, when I was with Simcox on the Palominas plain, he tracked
a group of migrants through the arroyos, up the berms, through the mesquite
and the spiky ocotillo plants. Finally he came upon a family of round little
Indians with babies. They were country folk, farmers, who had fled Mexico
after their chief crop, corn, had crashed in the debased market for Mexican
agriculture. Simcox called in the coordinates to a Border Patrol unit, which
arrived on foot and took the Indians away.
"There's only one way to stop this," Simcox said slowly, like a man about to
hit an insect. "Mo-bi-li-za-tion! Militarize the border! It would create a
boom economy! Think about it. A binational workforce that builds towers and
surveillance and video cameras and sensors. I'm tired of this wishy-washy
***** country we've got. Republicans are stuffed suits! Pussies! Why is
America not standing up and enforcing the law down here? Cause everybody's a
victim, right?"
He scowled and scoffed and huffed. "I got dual feelings about migrants," he
said. "I'm pissed at 'em because they're breaking into my country. But I
feel for 'em because they're dying in the desert for a minimum wage, being
exploited by two governments. Cheap labor! Capitalism! Exploitation! What in
god's name is going on in this country? Who mows your lawn, washes your
laundry, picks your food in the field, so you can sit around and watch
'Friends'? This is a psychosis."
Over the next two years, Simcox managed to calm down. With his newspaper and
Web site, he tweaked his passion into savvy sound bites, gave the movement
an epic banner, and began to drum up volunteers. The Minuteman Project, he
bragged, was named after the militia of average men who fought the war that
birthed this country.
On a hot afternoon, a week into the Minuteman Project, Simcox goes up and
down the borderline near the Arizona town of Naco, cheering the troops.
Observers with the American Civil Liberties Union are camped close by, on
their own lawn chairs, watching the watchers. Simcox taunts the ACLU
observers. He says he captured on film a group of them smoking marijuana.
"Stoners! We're gonna get that video to Sean Hannity," Simcox says. The
ACLUers conclude that the Minutemen are ignorant xenophobes.
Through the scrub, I spy Xavier Zaragoza, a Mexican-American reporter with
the Douglas Daily Dispatch, a regional newspaper in southeastern Arizona.
Zaragoza has been toiling on a documentary film about border politics for
four years. With an impish smile, he says, "Every time I walk up to the
Minutemen they say, 'You a citizen?' What are they judging me on? Skin
color? 'You speak 'merican?' I hear it over and over. 'It's an invasion!
Stealing our land! You bring leprosy! You speak 'merican?' It's pretty sad."
Zaragoza had gathered footage of dead migrants, of living migrants dashing
to the border, of infants captured by Border Patrol, and of Ranch Rescue
imploding in alcohol and idiocy. Now with his camera he was getting inside
the Minuteman Project. He was sick of the border. "This place is a fucking
nightmare," he says.
I have the good luck of finding a few articulate Minutemen. Like Simcox,
they feel that migrants are victims of greedy American companies that
exploit the pool of cheap labor. Mike Gaddy from Farmington, N.M., a retired
Army paratrooper, walks to his truck to show me a biography of U.S. Marine
Maj. Smedley Butler, a populist hero in the 1920s and '30s. "War is a
racket," Butler famously observed in 1935. Gaddy, like Butler, spent over 30
years of active duty in the services. He recites his litany of service: "'64
to '94: 'Nam, Grenada, Beirut, Panama, Desert Storm," he says. He taps his
hands on a page in the Butler biography and tells me to read: "I spent most
of my time being a high-class muscle man for big business, for Wall Street,
and for the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism." Gaddy
nods, his red beard shining. "When I read Smedley Butler, it was like the
sun came out," he says. "It explained my whole life."
I bump into Johnny Petrello, a 33-year-old electrician from Arizona and one
of the original members of Simcox's Civilian Homeland Defense. Petrello had
assisted enough citizen arrests of migrants that a $10,000 bounty was placed
on his head by Mexican gangsters operating out of Naco. Or so he claims. He
laughs about it; he is sympathetic to migrants. "If I was a Mexican, a
Guatemalan, Haitian or Colombian, you bet your ***** I'd be trying to get into
the United States, by any means necessary," he says. It's just that illegal
migration, he says, is "a slap in the face" to his grandfather, who arrived
on Ellis Island from Palermo, Italy.
He seems genuinely anguished and confused. Mexicans who work for cheap
wages, he says, are ruining his own livelihood. "In 1990, I was making $15
to $20 an hour on construction sites. Now I make $8 an hour. The issue is
not the Mexicans: they're good workers, they show up on time, work all day
and go home." He pauses. "The more I look for answers, the more questions I
have. And for this I've been called a Nazi, a fascist, a white supremacist,
a racist, a redneck. A CNN reporter asked me, cameras rolling, 'John, how
many Mexicans have you murdered on the border?' I nearly threw up. What a
sucker punch. How could you even answer that without legitimizing it?"
Like Petrello, many Minutemen feel the need to impress on reporters that
they are "not racists." This is only truly compelling when offered by the
dozen or so Mexican-Americans who stand guard, such as Ruben Medina, of the
San Fernando Valley in California. Medina says his father and mother are
first- and second-generation Americans, the sons and daughters of legal
Mexican immigrants. "I proudly speak Spanish when I go to see my cousins in
Chihuahua," he says.
But he is also outraged that the services of six emergency rooms at
hospitals in the San Fernando Valley have been slashed due to the systemic
pressures from illegal aliens. This was his breaking point, and when Medina
heard the Minuteman call, he took a week off from work to come to the
border. "I hope one day that poor people in Mexico can enjoy an economic and
political change so that both sides of the border can benefit," he tells me.
Other Minutemen complain that they are sick of paying taxes for social
services like hospitals that are abused by immigrants. They also protest
that because many of the private companies in their communities get tax
breaks, and because those companies hire migrants, they are effectively
subsidizing illegal immigration. Barbara and Jack Fagan, who had driven from
Spokane, Wash., bitterly complain about the tax issues. A wind kicks up and
blows dust in their eyes and mouths, but the couple, both retired, appear to
enjoy themselves. I ask if they are wearing guns. Barbara Fagan says, "I'm
wearing a crochet needle and thread."
Of course, some of the Minutemen fit the stereotype of the know-nothing. In
Palominas, I talk to an 18-year-old girl named Ashley Miller, who is
pregnant and whose 3-year-old stepson plays in the dust. Miller has lived on
the border all her life and watched migrants cross her land without trouble.
She is not happy with the Minutemen, nor is her family, who grow hay in
irrigated fields nearby.
"These people come here for a minute and they think they're men," Miller
says. "They don't live on the border, they don't know the border, they know
hearsay, what they've read. They'll get some ego boost from saying they've
defended the border." Then, she says, they will depart, and nothing will
change, except that migrants crossing her land will now expect her father
and uncle and grandfather to be armed and hostile. "These Minutemen are
putting the children, the people waiting at a bus stop, the people in their
homes in danger," she says.
At that point, a Minuteman with watery eyes and yellow teeth approaches,
cursing Miller and me. "So," he says, drawing close. "Anti-Minuteman, eh,
little girl? A l'il bit iffy about the situation, little girl?" He leers and
sways and Miller recoils. "And you -- New York reporters! I've never been
east of Jackson, Wyoming. So I say ***** y'all!"
"People like you make us feel ashamed," Miller says quietly.
"I'm trying to help you," he screams.
"Help me with what?"
"Freedom!" There is more screaming. Miller, near tears, picks up her
3-year-old and walks across the road to her home.
At the Naco Border Patrol detention center, I interview Jose Andres Perez,
21. He is bewildered and wide-eyed and covered in dirt. He tells me his
story through a translator, and then is put back in a cage with a dozen
other young men, all as filthy but not so innocent-looking.
Perez lived in Puebla, 1,200 miles south of the border, in a three-room hut
that he rented with his mother and father and 13 others. They together
worked a lemon farm but the money wasn't enough -- 300 pesos or $30, a
week -- and his parents became ill. So Perez made the trek north -- a 20-day
journey -- moving day and night, mostly on foot, but sometimes, if he was
lucky, on hitched rides. At the border, before crossing, banditos robbed him
at gunpoint of 500 pesos, along with his backpack and food -- everything he
had. In the dusty, broken-down border town of Naco, he found a coyote to
guide him over the desert into the towering Huachuca Mountains.
Coyotes, like their animal namesake, prey on pollos -- chickens -- like
Perez. When a coyote gang leads pollos north, they march their cargo fast
and cruelly. Families are often separated, wives from husbands, mothers from
children, to keep them scared. Sometimes the coyote feeds his pollos pills,
a mix of ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin. Ironically, the pill slows people
up because of its diuretic effect -- migrants literally ***** their lives
away in the desert.
Perez crossed with a group of 16 others, after midnight, in cold winter, so
he wore three torn layers -- a plaid button-down shirt, an orange vest, a
blue windbreaker -- to keep warm. His dusky face was covered in dirt, his
jeans -- he wore two pair, one over the other -- soaked in red mud. The
group labored up the ridges, through the spiny cactus, to 7,000 feet, and
snow fell as they climbed. Then they dropped, exhausted, into a sheer valley
called Ash Canyon, where the coyote told them to sleep. As Perez lay in the
snow, he thought of Los Angeles, where his two brothers had a job for him,
sewing pants at a few dollars an hour. The next day, Perez was captured by
Border Patrol after his coyote abandoned him while he slept.
Many border officials, like Simcox, say they don't fault people like Perez
for trying to flee the poverty of Mexico. Instead they blame current
American laws that punish immigrants but do little to penalize the
businesses that profit from cheap labor. One U.S. park ranger, formerly with
the Border Patrol, tells me that "border policy is clinically insane. It's
schizophrenic." The ranger doesn't want to get on the wrong side of his
boss, he tells me, so he won't let me use his name. To begin with, he says,
"Stopping the flow at the border is a small part of the issue. Because they
all make it through. I'm catching the same guys the next day, the same day,
a week later."
Beyond that, the park ranger says he is frustrated because he can do nothing
about an American economy that demands workers like Perez. "We can't go in
and take 10,000 aliens from the tomato harvest because of the huge economic
impact," he says. "We would cause a political uprising. People want their
cheap lettuce, man."
Today, immigration observers point out that more than a billion dollars a
year is sunk in keeping illegals out, and once they're in, billions of
dollars depend on them staying. Without illegals, a great many industries --
agriculture, meat-packing, restaurants, hospitals, construction,
landscaping -- would be thrown into chaos. It is no stretch to say that the
hand of the Mexican migrant feeds the United States. He picks the food in
the fields, stocks it on the shelves in the supermarkets, cooks it in the
restaurants, and cleans the dishes afterward.
"Our economy depends on a robust influx of immigrant labor," says
immigration scholar and author Jacoby. "Our workforce is more and more
educated and middle-class. People don't want to work outside in the fields.
So we have whole industries that rely on international smuggling cartels to
get their workers." However, Jacoby says, "Illegal immigrants are not
stealing jobs from American workers. They're doing jobs most Americans don't
want to do."
In the meantime, "interior enforcement" -- raids on farms and construction
sites that employ migrants -- has declined by 80 percent since 1998. In
1992, the Immigration and Naturalization Service fined 1,063 employers for
illegal labor violations. By 2001, that number had plummeted to a piddling
78. A senior agent with the U.S. Border Patrol, who spoke honestly and
therefore anonymously, tells me, "Well, why not hire the illegal? He works
just as hard, if not harder, than an American, and for half the money.
That's the big magnet. If you're ever gonna stop this, you gotta start
fining employers. You gotta demagnetize the job pull."
It is these larger currents of business and politics that push the problems
of illegal immigration far beyond the control of Simcox and company. Still,
on their Web site, the Minutemen claim that their vigil on 23 miles (of the
2,000-mile border) reduced immigrant crossings by almost two-thirds over a
year -- from about 12,000 in April 2004, to just under 3,000 this April.
Spokespersons with customs and border patrol in both Washington and Arizona
say the Minutemen skewed the numbers.
Barry Morrissey of U.S. Customs and Border Protection points out that
apprehensions did decline in April 2005, but that's due to a new program,
the Arizona Border Control Initiative, which deployed dozens of extra patrol
agents along the border. The new program "was not done in conjunction with,
or as a response to, the Minutemen," Morrissey says. Ultimately, he says,
the Minutemen were more of a hindrance than a help with their reports: "In a
number of cases, Border Patrol agents had to be deployed for no good
reason."
Similarly, much of the Minutemen's rhetoric about illegal aliens sapping
American services and burdening the tax system doesn't entirely stand up to
the facts. As the New York Times reported in April, the Social Security
Administration estimates that illegal immigrants, many of whom are Mexican,
contribute as much as $7 billion annually in Social Security revenues and
$1.5 billion to Medicare coffers. Illegal immigrants pay into both systems
because they provide phony Social Security numbers and fake I.D.s to their
employers, who then withdraw taxes from their paychecks. In this boon to the
American social safety net, migrants don't reap the benefits. Studies show
that when federal agencies contact employers about dubious Social Security
numbers, employers fire the migrants or the migrants quit their jobs for
fear of being deported. In the words of a Border Patrol officer, "That's an
exploited worker."
Today, promising solutions linger on the horizon. This week, Sens. John
McCain and Edward M. Kennedy will introduce an immigration bill that would
make it easier for undocumented workers already in the U.S. to apply for
visas or green cards after paying a fine. The migrants would receive
three-year visas that could be renewed once. After working for six months,
they would be able to apply for permanent legal residency. Last year,
President Bush urged a "guest-worker" program that would be open to illegal
immigrants and other foreigners. Bush supports giving workers legal status
for three-year renewable periods, but wants them to return to their
countries when their jobs are done.
Jacoby likes both plans. They "give the people already here a chance to earn
their way in out of the shadows," she says. "And if all the jobs that
Americans don't want to do are filled by authorized people, there's going to
be much less incentive for other people to come walking across the border
illegally."
For his part, Simcox endorses a guest worker program, but in a manner so
demanding and far-reaching that it could never be implemented. "It would
have to be all employer-paid," he says. "The employer pays for medical
checkup and care, immunization, safe transport into the country -- so the
worker can enter this country with dignity -- insurance, proper I.D., and a
safe workplace. Anything that an American worker would have. All of a sudden
employers are right back to paying $21 an hour. That's good capitalism."
I tell him this seems to refute his avowed distaste for government
regulation and his self-styled image as a frontiersman. I point out, too,
that millions of legal American workers do not have healthcare, safe
transport, insurance or a safe workplace. But Simcox is not tripped up by
his own contradictions. "No, it'll stop people from being exploited," he
says. "It'll make employers think about hiring Americans again because
they're gonna have to pay Mexicans the same ***** wages."
This is the zealot's brand of twisted progressivism. You have to wonder
whether Simcox even wants it to succeed. In the meantime, don't tell him
that his Minuteman Project was a bust. It was nothing of the kind, he says.
In fact, he has already roped in volunteers to monitor the California border
in August. Simcox insists he will keep lobbying government to implement his
guest-worker program and is determined to seal the border -- seal it
utterly. "We, the Minutemen," he says proudly, "have modeled for the
Department of Homeland Security what effective border security can be."
********************
Perhaps if you got your communist head out of your coffee-filled arse
you might learn something.
Hmm - I don't drink coffee, and I'm a capitalist. Why did you call me a
'communist'? Explain.
-Jeff
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: New Mexico New Home To Minutemen |
11 Jun 2005 07:07:08 PM |
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"Jeff Welch" <seattledemocracy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
You obviously haven't a fucking clue about who these people are at
all!!!
Actually I do:
May 11, 2005 | PALOMINAS, Ariz. -- High drama suits Chris Simcox. You
imagine that even when he's home alone talking to his cat, he acts as if
he's addressing a sea of people.
Wow.
Someone oughtta get this man a girlfriend!
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| User: "Bill Walker" |
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11 Jun 2005 11:10:37 PM |
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"Sanders Kaufman" <unsentt@kaufman.net> wrote in message
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"Jeff Welch" <seattledemocracy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
You obviously haven't a fucking clue about who these people are at
all!!!
Actually I do:
May 11, 2005 | PALOMINAS, Ariz. -- High drama suits Chris Simcox. You
imagine that even when he's home alone talking to his cat, he acts as if
he's addressing a sea of people.
Wow.
Someone oughtta get this man a girlfriend!
You did notice that he is a snowbird, also, didn't you ? LOL
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| User: "Jos Flachs no x, please" |
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12 Jun 2005 12:18:07 AM |
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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 11:16:25 +0300, "Billy Boy/Riain Barton"
<riain@zion.org.il> wrote:
You obviously haven't a fucking clue about who these people are at
all!!!
Obviously, we do. This is vigilante 'justice' plain and simple.
Perhaps if you got your communist head out of your coffee-filled arse
you might learn something.
Am I wrong in assuming you are one of them vigilantes, Bubba? The
'communist' thingy is a bit of a give away.
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11 Jun 2005 06:15:05 PM |
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On 10 Jun 2005 21:40:51 -0700, "loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com>
wrote:
The Minutemen are America's true patriots. These people put their lives
on the line to protect us from illegal border crossings. This is our
first line of defense against the jihadists.
Criminals will infiltrate this organization and corrupt those who can
be turned by money. Pretty soon the Minutemen will become a resource
rather than an impediment for illegal border crossings.
Charlie
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| User: "Bill Walker" |
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11 Jun 2005 11:11:53 PM |
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"Charlie Wilkes" <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com> wrote in message
news:1bama198rtvtk6t0emq6th0j5nunu5gvkk@4ax.com...
On 10 Jun 2005 21:40:51 -0700, "loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com>
wrote:
The Minutemen are America's true patriots. These people put their lives
on the line to protect us from illegal border crossings. This is our
first line of defense against the jihadists.
Criminals will infiltrate this organization and corrupt those who can
be turned by money. Pretty soon the Minutemen will become a resource
rather than an impediment for illegal border crossings.
Charlie
Take a close look at the snowbird that is claiming he started the minutemen
projects... Simcox.. I believe is the way his name is spelled..
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| User: "raven1" |
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11 Jun 2005 06:51:43 AM |
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On 10 Jun 2005 21:40:51 -0700, "loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com>
wrote:
The Minutemen are America's true patriots. These people put their lives
on the line to protect us from illegal border crossings. This is our
first line of defense against the jihadists.
Because, as everyone knows, Al Qaeda's membership is heavily Mexican,
no doubt...
---
"This is how liberty dies: with thunderous applause"
- Padme Amidala, Episode III
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: New Mexico New Home To Minutemen |
11 Jun 2005 07:50:01 AM |
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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On 10 Jun 2005 21:40:51 -0700, "loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com>
The Minutemen are America's true patriots. These people put their lives
on the line to protect us from illegal border crossings. This is our
first line of defense against the jihadists.
Because, as everyone knows, Al Qaeda's membership is heavily Mexican,
no doubt...
al Quaeda?
What's al Quaeda?
Weren't they in the news a few years ago? - cloned a sheep or something?
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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11 Jun 2005 08:16:57 AM |
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Gawd, how fucking stupid are you people?
"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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: On 10 Jun 2005 21:40:51 -0700, "loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com>
: wrote:
:
: >The Minutemen are America's true patriots. These people put their
lives
: >on the line to protect us from illegal border crossings. This is our
: >first line of defense against the jihadists.
:
: Because, as everyone knows, Al Qaeda's membership is heavily Mexican,
: no doubt...
:
:
: ---
:
: "This is how liberty dies: with thunderous applause"
: - Padme Amidala, Episode III
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| User: "Jeff Welch" |
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| Title: Re: New Mexico New Home To Minutemen |
11 Jun 2005 03:29:20 PM |
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"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
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Gawd, how fucking stupid are you people?
Smart enough to know not to top-post, and how to bait your idiot *****.
-Jeff
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| User: "Paul Mitchum" |
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11 Jun 2005 04:47:35 AM |
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loose cannon <looseaint@aol.com> wrote:
The Minutemen are America's true patriots. These people put their lives on
the line to protect us from illegal border crossings. This is our first
line of defense against the jihadists.
New Mexico New Home To Minutemen
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- The controversial Minuteman Project now has a chapter
in New Mexico.
The irony, of course, is that these minute men, coming as they do from
all over the country, are now new immigrants to New Mexico and Arizona,
and must find work.
--
"Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats who don't know what's
going on." -- Robert Kennedy, Jr.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: New Mexico New Home To Minutemen |
11 Jun 2005 05:20:15 AM |
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"Paul Mitchum" <usenet@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
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loose cannon <looseaint@aol.com> wrote:
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- The controversial Minuteman Project now has a
chapter
in New Mexico.
The irony, of course, is that these minute men, coming as they do from
all over the country, are now new immigrants to New Mexico and Arizona,
and must find work.
Damn aliens.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: New Mexico New Home To Minutemen |
11 Jun 2005 05:47:20 AM |
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"Sanders Kaufman" <unsentt@kaufman.net> wrote in message
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"Paul Mitchum" <usenet@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
news:1gxyn47.sm5kzv1jfq94wN%usenet@mile23.c0m...
loose cannon <looseaint@aol.com> wrote:
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- The controversial Minuteman Project now has a
chapter
in New Mexico.
The irony, of course, is that these minute men, coming as they do from
all over the country, are now new immigrants to New Mexico and Arizona,
and must find work.
Damn aliens.
I say we form up a posse and shoot 'em!
Wait a minute...
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Clave" |
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| Title: Re: New Mexico New Home To Minutemen |
11 Jun 2005 05:55:58 AM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"Sanders Kaufman" <unsentt@kaufman.net> wrote in message
news:jwuqe.3329$%j7.596@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
"Paul Mitchum" <usenet@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
news:1gxyn47.sm5kzv1jfq94wN%usenet@mile23.c0m...
loose cannon <looseaint@aol.com> wrote:
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- The controversial Minuteman Project now has a chapter
in New Mexico.
The irony, of course, is that these minute men, coming as they do from
all over the country, are now new immigrants to New Mexico and Arizona,
and must find work.
Damn aliens.
I say we form up a posse and shoot 'em!
Wait a minute...
Aliens gots force fields, umm-hmm.
Jim
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: New Mexico New Home To Minutemen |
11 Jun 2005 07:49:54 AM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:YaCdnWvGEJJ15zffRVn-hg@io.com...
"Sanders Kaufman" <unsentt@kaufman.net> wrote in message
The irony, of course, is that these minute men, coming as they do from
all over the country, are now new immigrants to New Mexico and Arizona,
and must find work.
Damn aliens.
I say we form up a posse and shoot 'em!
I say we *give* them free guns and beer and let evolution decide.
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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| Title: Re: New Mexico New Home To Minutemen |
11 Jun 2005 05:58:10 AM |
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Aliens are not the issue -- ILLEGAL aliens are the issue -- some people
are just too stupid to see the difference.
"Sanders Kaufman" <unsentt@kaufman.net> wrote in message
news:jwuqe.3329$%j7.596@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
: "Paul Mitchum" <usenet@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
: news:1gxyn47.sm5kzv1jfq94wN%usenet@mile23.c0m...
: > loose cannon <looseaint@aol.com> wrote:
:
: >> ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- The controversial Minuteman Project now has a
: >> chapter
: >> in New Mexico.
: >
: > The irony, of course, is that these minute men, coming as they do
from
: > all over the country, are now new immigrants to New Mexico and
Arizona,
: > and must find work.
:
: Damn aliens.
:
:
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: New Mexico New Home To Minutemen |
11 Jun 2005 07:49:59 AM |
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"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
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Aliens are not the issue -- ILLEGAL aliens are the issue -- some people
are just too stupid to see the difference.
Some people are too obsessed with differences.
That's why, from time to time, they have to be killed.
To remind folks like you that you bleed red, too.
"Sanders Kaufman" <unsentt@kaufman.net> wrote in message
news:jwuqe.3329$%j7.596@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
: "Paul Mitchum" <usenet@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
: news:1gxyn47.sm5kzv1jfq94wN%usenet@mile23.c0m...
: > loose cannon <looseaint@aol.com> wrote:
:
: >> ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- The controversial Minuteman Project now has a
: >> chapter
: >> in New Mexico.
: >
: > The irony, of course, is that these minute men, coming as they do
from
: > all over the country, are now new immigrants to New Mexico and
Arizona,
: > and must find work.
:
: Damn aliens.
:
:
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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| Title: Re: New Mexico New Home To Minutemen |
12 Jun 2005 08:36:35 AM |
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You think you are fucking brave enough to make me bleed, you stupid *****
of a *****-ant!
"Sanders Kaufman" <unsentt@kaufman.net> wrote in message
news:DIwqe.3340$%j7.2715@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
: news:_Zuqe.82506$6k7.27761@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
:
: > Aliens are not the issue -- ILLEGAL aliens are the issue -- some
people
: > are just too stupid to see the difference.
:
: Some people are too obsessed with differences.
: That's why, from time to time, they have to be killed.
: To remind folks like you that you bleed red, too.
:
:
:
:
: > "Sanders Kaufman" <unsentt@kaufman.net> wrote in message
: > news:jwuqe.3329$%j7.596@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
: > : "Paul Mitchum" <usenet@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
: > : news:1gxyn47.sm5kzv1jfq94wN%usenet@mile23.c0m...
: > : > loose cannon <looseaint@aol.com> wrote:
: > :
: > : >> ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- The controversial Minuteman Project now
has a
: > : >> chapter
: > : >> in New Mexico.
: > : >
: > : > The irony, of course, is that these minute men, coming as they
do
: > from
: > : > all over the country, are now new immigrants to New Mexico and
: > Arizona,
: > : > and must find work.
: > :
: > : Damn aliens.
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
:
:
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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11 Jun 2005 05:57:13 AM |
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Except the vast majority of them reside locally near where they patrol.
TRY AGAIN.
"Paul Mitchum" <usenet@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
news:1gxyn47.sm5kzv1jfq94wN%usenet@mile23.c0m...
: loose cannon <looseaint@aol.com> wrote:
:
: > The Minutemen are America's true patriots. These people put their
lives on
: > the line to protect us from illegal border crossings. This is our
first
: > line of defense against the jihadists.
: >
: > New Mexico New Home To Minutemen
: >
: >
: > ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- The controversial Minuteman Project now has a
chapter
: > in New Mexico.
:
: The irony, of course, is that these minute men, coming as they do from
: all over the country, are now new immigrants to New Mexico and
Arizona,
: and must find work.
:
: --
: "Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats who don't know
what's
: going on." -- Robert Kennedy, Jr.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: New Mexico New Home To Minutemen |
11 Jun 2005 07:49:54 AM |
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"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
news:6Zuqe.82505$6k7.75727@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
Except the vast majority of them reside locally near where they patrol.
TRY AGAIN.
Another unsubstantiated, fact-free, faith-based assertion.
Or as the Wingnuts say "a slam-dunk".
"Paul Mitchum" <usenet@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
news:1gxyn47.sm5kzv1jfq94wN%usenet@mile23.c0m...
: loose cannon <looseaint@aol.com> wrote:
:
: > The Minutemen are America's true patriots. These people put their
lives on
: > the line to protect us from illegal border crossings. This is our
first
: > line of defense against the jihadists.
: >
: > New Mexico New Home To Minutemen
: >
: >
: > ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- The controversial Minuteman Project now has a
chapter
: > in New Mexico.
:
: The irony, of course, is that these minute men, coming as they do from
: all over the country, are now new immigrants to New Mexico and
Arizona,
: and must find work.
:
: --
: "Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats who don't know
what's
: going on." -- Robert Kennedy, Jr.
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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| Title: Re: New Mexico New Home To Minutemen |
12 Jun 2005 08:35:43 AM |
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NO FACTS, BECAUSE I SAW THE LEADER BEING INTERVIEWED ON SEVERAL
DIFFERENT NEWS PROGRAMMES!!!
YOU STUPID IGNORANT SELF-HATING-JEW, AND SELF-HATING-AMERICAN!
"Sanders Kaufman" <unsentt@kaufman.net> wrote in message
news:CIwqe.3339$%j7.32@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
: news:6Zuqe.82505$6k7.75727@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
:
: > Except the vast majority of them reside locally near where they
patrol.
: > TRY AGAIN.
:
: Another unsubstantiated, fact-free, faith-based assertion.
: Or as the Wingnuts say "a slam-dunk".
:
:
:
: > "Paul Mitchum" <usenet@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
: > news:1gxyn47.sm5kzv1jfq94wN%usenet@mile23.c0m...
: > : loose cannon <looseaint@aol.com> wrote:
: > :
: > : > The Minutemen are America's true patriots. These people put
their
: > lives on
: > : > the line to protect us from illegal border crossings. This is
our
: > first
: > : > line of defense against the jihadists.
: > : >
: > : > New Mexico New Home To Minutemen
: > : >
: > : >
: > : > ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- The controversial Minuteman Project now has
a
: > chapter
: > : > in New Mexico.
: > :
: > : The irony, of course, is that these minute men, coming as they do
from
: > : all over the country, are now new immigrants to New Mexico and
: > Arizona,
: > : and must find work.
: > :
: > : --
: > : "Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats who don't know
: > what's
: > : going on." -- Robert Kennedy, Jr.
: >
: >
:
:
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| User: "Paul Mitchum" |
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| Title: Re: New Mexico New Home To Minutemen |
11 Jun 2005 06:40:11 AM |
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ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <riain@zion.org.il> wrote:
"Paul Mitchum" <usenet@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
news:1gxyn47.sm5kzv1jfq94wN%usenet@mile23.c0m...
: loose cannon <looseaint@aol.com> wrote:
:
: > The Minutemen are America's true patriots. These people put their
: > lives on the line to protect us from illegal border crossings. This is
: > our first line of defense against the jihadists.
: >
: > New Mexico New Home To Minutemen
: >
: >
: > ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- The controversial Minuteman Project now has a
: > chapter in New Mexico.
:
: The irony, of course, is that these minute men, coming as they do from
: all over the country, are now new immigrants to New Mexico and
: Arizona, and must find work.
Except the vast majority of them reside locally near where they patrol.
TRY AGAIN.
Wait, so all that news about a thundering herd of white supremacists
invading southern Arizona was all a pack of lies?
Come to think of it, I *did* hear that more media showed up than actual
minute (pronounced 'my-newt') men. I'm sure it was a couple hairy days
in the back seat of an SUV, though.
--
"Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats who don't know what's
going on." -- Robert Kennedy, Jr.
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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| Title: Re: New Mexico New Home To Minutemen |
11 Jun 2005 08:15:07 AM |
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Just because you read it in the media does not make it true -- And the
Minute Men and other similar organisations forming, do not allow any
racists, and have many members that are Mexican-Americans. Of course
those Mexican-Americans came LEGALLY or their ancestors came LEGALLY to
the U.S.
"Paul Mitchum" <usenet@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
news:1gxys8d.1n6y1f3tfrvsuN%usenet@mile23.c0m...
: ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <riain@zion.org.il> wrote:
:
: > "Paul Mitchum" <usenet@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
: > news:1gxyn47.sm5kzv1jfq94wN%usenet@mile23.c0m...
: > : loose cannon <looseaint@aol.com> wrote:
: > :
: > : > The Minutemen are America's true patriots. These people put
their
: > : > lives on the line to protect us from illegal border crossings.
This is
: > : > our first line of defense against the jihadists.
: > : >
: > : > New Mexico New Home To Minutemen
: > : >
: > : >
: > : > ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- The controversial Minuteman Project now has
a
: > : > chapter in New Mexico.
: > :
: > : The irony, of course, is that these minute men, coming as they do
from
: > : all over the country, are now new immigrants to New Mexico and
: > : Arizona, and must find work.
: >
: > Except the vast majority of them reside locally near where they
patrol.
: > TRY AGAIN.
:
: Wait, so all that news about a thundering herd of white supremacists
: invading southern Arizona was all a pack of lies?
:
: Come to think of it, I *did* hear that more media showed up than
actual
: minute (pronounced 'my-newt') men. I'm sure it was a couple hairy days
: in the back seat of an SUV, though.
:
: --
: "Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats who don't know
what's
: going on." -- Robert Kennedy, Jr.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: New Mexico New Home To Minutemen |
11 Jun 2005 07:06:56 PM |
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"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
news:wpxqe.82703$6k7.46328@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
Just because you read it in the media does not make it true -- And the
Minute Men and other similar organisations forming, do not allow any
racists
Now that's funny - except for the fact that you probably, really believe it.
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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| Title: Re: New Mexico New Home To Minutemen |
12 Jun 2005 08:34:30 AM |
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***** you stupid communist *****.
Yes, I believe it, and I am a DEMOCRAT.
"Sanders Kaufman" <unsentt@kaufman.net> wrote in message
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: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
: news:wpxqe.82703$6k7.46328@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
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| User: "Defendario" |
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| Title: Re: New Mexico New Home To Minutemen |
13 Jun 2005 03:25:56 AM |
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Sanders Kaufman wrote:
"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
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***** you stupid communist *****.
-- whined the cowardly militant.
You misspelled Irish Fag-boi.
;D
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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| Title: Re: New Mexico New Home To Minutemen |
13 Jun 2005 05:24:20 AM |
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A bigot is a bigot is a bigot -- You hate Jews, so of course, you hate
the Irish, and you hate 'fags'.
"Defendario" <Defendario@netscape.com> wrote in message
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: Sanders Kaufman wrote:
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: > "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
: > news:HlSqe.81298$lQ3.18460@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
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: >>***** you stupid communist *****.
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: > -- whined the cowardly militant.
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: You misspelled Irish Fag-boi.
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