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"biniohas" |
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09 Sep 2005 02:23:00 AM |
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New Orleans Victims Burning in Hell |
THEOCRACY IN ACTION
http://headlines.agapepress.or g/archive/9/72005b.asp
The Dark Side of Man
The devastation of Hurricane Katrina has stripped away more than houses
and
land; it has uncovered the darkness of the human soul.
Feature by Steve Crampton
September 7, 2005
(AgapePress) - The epic tragedy of the New Orleans disaster grows
sadder
every day. We all breathed a sigh of relief when Katrina turned east
just
before striking the city, sparing it from the full brunt of the storm's
awesome power. But as the story continues to unfold, we have gone from
hope
to despair, as first the levees broke and now rescue efforts have
sputtered
and slogged forward due to the lawless looting, shooting, and the
resistance of many to leave. There have also been reports of rape.
Lest anyone respond that the looting is justified because the looters
are
simply trying to feed their families, I have two responses. First,
stealing
is wrong under any circumstances. Second, food is not the primary item
being stolen. As one newspaper from Biloxi, Mississippi, reported, in a
recent break-in at a convenience store, cigarettes, cigars and beer
were
taken, but the food was not touched. One of the most often stolen items
is
guns. Nursing homes are under siege. Almost overnight, New Orleans has
become a war zone.
[SNIP]
The truth is that Katrina did not make us this way. It was not our
environment. It was not our parents, our neighbors, or even our
education.
It is the way we are. The soul of man is not basically good, as has
been
presumed for so long by so many. It is, in fact, desperately wicked.
And
all the excuses and explanations in the world cannot cover it up. It is
currently being broadcast daily on every major network for all the
world to
see, if only we have eyes.
[SNIP]
The souls of those who have embraced the 'culture' in New Orleans are
of the same basic essence as the souls of Josef Stalin, Adolph Hitler,
Jeffrey
Dahmer, Bill Clinton...and you and me. That's right; we are no
different from the worst criminal when it comes to the capacity of our
hearts to do evil.
May death come upon us.
The heart of man is desperately wicked, Scripture informs us. And the
same
verse explains simply and without fanfare why we are so quick to excuse
our
own behavior and think so well of ourselves -- our hearts are deceitful
above all things. Desperately wicked, and deceitful above all things.
Perhaps this is why we so readily accepted the oft-heard plea to
increase
funding for education in order to alleviate poverty, which in turn
would
make our citizenry a better, more moral people. We lie to ourselves,
and we
like it. Not even Jesus can save us.
Perhaps that is also why we have so easily accepted the so-called
separation of church and state, explicit instruction on sex education,
evolution, science, liberalism and moral relativism, all of which are
echoed on the latest sit-coms and reality TV shows. We tell ourselves
it
is the law, or that it is only entertainment, or that we are too busy
to spend hours pouring overevery textbook our children bring home. How
much harm can it do, anyway?
[SNIP]
Our society has largely disavowed moral laws. The firestorm surrounding
the
posting of the Ten Commandments in public bears ample witness of this
fact.
And civil laws, in the minds of most citizens today, are made to be
broken.
Once the "bayonet" of state and local law enforcement was removed in
New
Orleans, then, the raw power of our sinful hearts was unleashed. It is
not
a pretty sight. Hell is our destiny under the 'Constitution'.
[SNIP]
Steve Crampton (c...@afa.net) serves as chief counsel of the American
Family
Association Center for Law & Policy (CLP), a public interest-type law
firm.
Mr. Crampton's daily radio show, "We Hold These Truths," can be heard
on
almost 200 radio stations nationwide.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: New Orleans Victims Burning in Hell |
09 Sep 2005 12:01:25 PM |
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"biniohas" <biniohas@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
The heart of man is desperately wicked, Scripture informs us.
I hear religious people saying they feel God in their hearts all the
time. I guess they're wicked.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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| Title: Re: New Orleans Victims Burning in Hell |
11 Sep 2005 03:29:01 PM |
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*Lest anyone respond that the looting is justified because the looters
are
*simply trying to feed their families, I have two responses. First,
stealing
*is wrong under any circumstances.
Funny, killing too is wrong under any circumstances and yet, the USA
still have death penalty.
*as the souls of Josef Stalin, Adolph Hitler, Jeffrey Dahmer, Bill
Clinton
Anyone who puts Bill Clinton (or George Bush for that matter) in the
same list than Stalin or Hitler is seriously deranged... This "Steve
Crampton" is one sick individual...
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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11 Sep 2005 03:34:54 PM |
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In article <1126452541.629180.149290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
Parsifal <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote:
*Lest anyone respond that the looting is justified because the looters
are
*simply trying to feed their families, I have two responses. First,
stealing
*is wrong under any circumstances.
Funny, killing too is wrong under any circumstances and yet, the USA
still have death penalty.
*as the souls of Josef Stalin, Adolph Hitler, Jeffrey Dahmer, Bill
Clinton
Anyone who puts Bill Clinton (or George Bush for that matter) in the
same list than Stalin or Hitler is seriously deranged... This "Steve
Crampton" is one sick individual...
Furthermore, the circumstances this goof refers to are a legal defense
to the charge of theft. In other words, in America, "stealing" is NOT
wrong under any circumstances.
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| User: "rightwinghank" |
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| Title: Re: New Orleans Victims Burning in Hell |
09 Sep 2005 12:08:11 PM |
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Lets not mix up how blacks reacted to a bad situation and how whites
would have acted.....
look at 9/11 and how people died for each other....and look at New
Orleans.......
its a black and white issue.
facts are not racist.
love
hank
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| User: "Rob Brown" |
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09 Sep 2005 06:55:25 PM |
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"rightwinghank" <rightwinghank@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1126267691.347197.268250@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Lets not mix up how blacks reacted to a bad situation and how whites
would have acted.....
look at 9/11 and how people died for each other....and look at New
Orleans.......
its a black and white issue.
facts are not racist.
love
hank
...............................
You're a racist idiot. Fact, not an ad hominem. Fitting that you identify
yourself as rightwing. Racist attitudes are common among your rightwing
peers.
Rob Brown
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| User: "" |
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10 Sep 2005 11:33:36 AM |
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Guess Rob Brown the negro......let me tell you something
....boy......blacks are the MOST prejudiced of any race...they
all hate whitey...........
Let me educate you ....racist is hating without fact........
I KNOW what I am talking about.....from my personal
experience........and if I speak what I see and hear and feel...its
called
"freedom of speech."
Not racism.
Keep rubbing...perhaps the "brown" will come off your skin......we all
know you dont want to be black.
love
hank
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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09 Sep 2005 01:32:14 PM |
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rightwinghank <rightwinghank@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Lets not mix up how blacks reacted to a bad situation and how whites
would have acted.....
look at 9/11 and how people died for each other....and look at New
Orleans.......
its a black and white issue.
Are you black, perchance?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Jorge W. Arbusto" |
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10 Sep 2005 02:46:25 AM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:bl33i11fcqtbi7otp78ke66clhrlcflqhs@4ax.com...
rightwinghank <rightwinghank@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Lets not mix up how blacks reacted to a bad situation and how whites
would have acted.....
look at 9/11 and how people died for each other....and look at New
Orleans.......
its a black and white issue.
Are you black, perchance?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
hanKKK is bile yellow...
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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09 Sep 2005 05:18:14 AM |
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On 8 Sep 2005 19:23:00 -0700,
"biniohas" <biniohas@hotmail.com> wrote:
New Orleans Victims Burning in Hell.
Yeah. Right. And the moon is made of green cheese.
Take a nice long walk off a very short pier, troll.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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| User: "Attila" |
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09 Sep 2005 01:26:45 PM |
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On 8 Sep 2005 19:23:00 -0700, "biniohas" <biniohas@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1126232580.484940.140840@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Prove any such place exists.
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| User: "Louise Mallard" |
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09 Sep 2005 01:36:29 PM |
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On 8 Sep 2005 19:23:00 -0700, "biniohas" <biniohas@hotmail.com> wrote:
THEOCRACY IN ACTION
http://headlines.agapepress.or g/archive/9/72005b.asp
The Dark Side of Man
The souls of those who have embraced the 'culture' in New Orleans are
of the same basic essence as the souls of Josef Stalin, Adolph Hitler,
Jeffrey
Dahmer, Bill Clinton...and you and me. That's right; we are no
different from the worst criminal when it comes to the capacity of our
hearts to do evil.
May death come upon us.
Yup. It's over. So what's the point ever arguing it or bother doing
anything if we're all doomed anyway.
Idiot.
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| User: "Bethe Blasienz" |
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11 Sep 2005 02:33:07 AM |
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Uh huh........interesting what your agenda is. Who cares why anyone
stole what they did? Desparate times call for desparate measures.
The bigger question in all of this is should the money be spent to
build New Orleans over again?
Bethe Blasienz
Bryan, Texas
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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11 Sep 2005 02:57:17 AM |
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"Bethe Blasienz" <Bethe57@cs.com> writes:
Uh huh........interesting what your agenda is. Who cares why anyone
stole what they did? Desparate times call for desparate measures.
The bigger question in all of this is should the money be spent to
build New Orleans over again?
I expect the money will be spent to rebuild the port, since it's a significant
choke point in the national economy...which means there will still be a
population center around it. The question is whether the rest of the city
will be rebuilt.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Friday, October 7 vs. San Antonio, 7:35
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| User: "Attila" |
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11 Sep 2005 10:03:54 AM |
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On 10 Sep 2005 21:57:17 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <szkfyscl3aq.fsf@eris.io.com> wrote:
"Bethe Blasienz" <Bethe57@cs.com> writes:
Uh huh........interesting what your agenda is. Who cares why anyone
stole what they did? Desparate times call for desparate measures.
The bigger question in all of this is should the money be spent to
build New Orleans over again?
I expect the money will be spent to rebuild the port, since it's a significant
choke point in the national economy...which means there will still be a
population center around it. The question is whether the rest of the city
will be rebuilt.
Rebuilding anything on land that is below sea level would be a study
in stupidity. I am sure it will happen because it is a political
decision, but it would be an excellent example of sheer insanity.
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| User: "Hannele Huigens" |
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11 Sep 2005 01:04:08 PM |
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Op Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:03:54 +0200 schreef Attila <prochoice@here.now>:
On 10 Sep 2005 21:57:17 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <szkfyscl3aq.fsf@eris.io.com> wrote:
"Bethe Blasienz" <Bethe57@cs.com> writes:
Uh huh........interesting what your agenda is. Who cares why anyone
stole what they did? Desparate times call for desparate measures.
The bigger question in all of this is should the money be spent to
build New Orleans over again?
I expect the money will be spent to rebuild the port, since it's a
significant
choke point in the national economy...which means there will still be a
population center around it. The question is whether the rest of the
city
will be rebuilt.
Rebuilding anything on land that is below sea level would be a study
in stupidity. I am sure it will happen because it is a political
decision, but it would be an excellent example of sheer insanity.
The Dutch do nothing else, a large part of our country is below sea-level.
Do you suggest we clear thoses lands, lose our seaport (one of the biggest
in the world) and move out?
--
Hannele Huigens
aa #2221
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| User: "Attila" |
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11 Sep 2005 02:20:21 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:04:08 +0200, "Hannele Huigens"
<Hannele@lycos.nl> in alt.abortion with message-id
<op.swxvw6y0vjeuhq@laptophannele> wrote:
Op Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:03:54 +0200 schreef Attila <prochoice@here.now>:
On 10 Sep 2005 21:57:17 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <szkfyscl3aq.fsf@eris.io.com> wrote:
"Bethe Blasienz" <Bethe57@cs.com> writes:
Uh huh........interesting what your agenda is. Who cares why anyone
stole what they did? Desparate times call for desparate measures.
The bigger question in all of this is should the money be spent to
build New Orleans over again?
I expect the money will be spent to rebuild the port, since it's a
significant
choke point in the national economy...which means there will still be a
population center around it. The question is whether the rest of the
city
will be rebuilt.
Rebuilding anything on land that is below sea level would be a study
in stupidity. I am sure it will happen because it is a political
decision, but it would be an excellent example of sheer insanity.
The Dutch do nothing else, a large part of our country is below sea-level.
Do you suggest we clear thoses lands, lose our seaport (one of the biggest
in the world) and move out?
You really don't have a choice since you have nowhere else to go. Or
so I understand - I am no expert on the Netherlands and their
geography.
Would they build below sea level if they had higher land available a
few miles away?
The port facilities and what is above sea level could stay, but
nothing now under water should be rebuilt.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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11 Sep 2005 05:49:39 PM |
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Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:m2f8i1pgb8l2rfujlm35kp0pmejtsfoliu@4ax.com:
You really don't have a choice since you have nowhere else to go. Or
so I understand - I am no expert on the Netherlands and their
geography.
Would they build below sea level if they had higher land available a
few miles away?
The port facilities and what is above sea level could stay, but
nothing now under water should be rebuilt.
are you the same "Attila" who frequently follows up posts claiming they are
off-topic?
if so, you certainly don;t want to be doing that any more, do you?
--
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| User: "Hannele Huigens" |
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11 Sep 2005 02:53:47 PM |
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Op Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:20:21 +0200 schreef Attila <prochoice@here.now>:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:04:08 +0200, "Hannele Huigens"
<Hannele@lycos.nl> in alt.abortion with message-id
<op.swxvw6y0vjeuhq@laptophannele> wrote:
Op Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:03:54 +0200 schreef Attila <prochoice@here.now>:
On 10 Sep 2005 21:57:17 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <szkfyscl3aq.fsf@eris.io.com> wrote:
"Bethe Blasienz" <Bethe57@cs.com> writes:
Uh huh........interesting what your agenda is. Who cares why anyone
stole what they did? Desparate times call for desparate measures.
The bigger question in all of this is should the money be spent to
build New Orleans over again?
I expect the money will be spent to rebuild the port, since it's a
significant
choke point in the national economy...which means there will still be
a
population center around it. The question is whether the rest of the
city
will be rebuilt.
Rebuilding anything on land that is below sea level would be a study
in stupidity. I am sure it will happen because it is a political
decision, but it would be an excellent example of sheer insanity.
The Dutch do nothing else, a large part of our country is below
sea-level.
Do you suggest we clear thoses lands, lose our seaport (one of the
biggest
in the world) and move out?
You really don't have a choice since you have nowhere else to go. Or
so I understand - I am no expert on the Netherlands and their
geography.
Well, since at least 1/3 of our country is below sea-level, the choice is
limited. And although we all know there are risks, nobody really is afraid
of drowning in our own homes (bathtubs excepted of course).
Would they build below sea level if they had higher land available a
few miles away?
We would and we do, even today. We even increased our area of land in the
20th century and that part is below sea-level as well. But then our
government knows how important it is to keep the sea out and we spend
money on that, not just on the building but also on the maintenance. It's
a very big deal here.
The port facilities and what is above sea level could stay, but
nothing now under water should be rebuilt.
--
Hannele Huigens
aa #2221
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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11 Sep 2005 03:27:03 PM |
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Hannele Huigens wrote:
Op Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:20:21 +0200 schreef Attila <prochoice@here.now>:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:04:08 +0200, "Hannele Huigens"
<Hannele@lycos.nl> in alt.abortion with message-id
<op.swxvw6y0vjeuhq@laptophannele> wrote:
Op Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:03:54 +0200 schreef Attila <prochoice@here.now>:
On 10 Sep 2005 21:57:17 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <szkfyscl3aq.fsf@eris.io.com> wrote:
"Bethe Blasienz" <Bethe57@cs.com> writes:
Uh huh........interesting what your agenda is. Who cares why anyone
stole what they did? Desparate times call for desparate measures.
The bigger question in all of this is should the money be spent to
build New Orleans over again?
I expect the money will be spent to rebuild the port, since it's a
significant
choke point in the national economy...which means there will still
be a
population center around it. The question is whether the rest of the
city
will be rebuilt.
Rebuilding anything on land that is below sea level would be a study
in stupidity. I am sure it will happen because it is a political
decision, but it would be an excellent example of sheer insanity.
The Dutch do nothing else, a large part of our country is below
sea-level.
Do you suggest we clear thoses lands, lose our seaport (one of the
biggest
in the world) and move out?
You really don't have a choice since you have nowhere else to go. Or
so I understand - I am no expert on the Netherlands and their
geography.
Well, since at least 1/3 of our country is below sea-level, the choice
is limited. And although we all know there are risks, nobody really is
afraid of drowning in our own homes (bathtubs excepted of course).
Would they build below sea level if they had higher land available a
few miles away?
We would and we do, even today. We even increased our area of land in
the 20th century and that part is below sea-level as well. But then
our government knows how important it is to keep the sea out and we
spend money on that, not just on the building but also on the
maintenance. It's a very big deal here.
And you do a very good job of it.
Didn't your country recently construct an hydraulic levee system?
We need to hire a few of your engineers.
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| User: "Attila" |
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11 Sep 2005 04:52:58 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:27:03 GMT, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@-=Citlink=-.net>
in alt.abortion with message-id <b1YUe.6795$cg.1755@news02.roc.ny>
wrote:
Hannele Huigens wrote:
Op Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:20:21 +0200 schreef Attila <prochoice@here.now>:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:04:08 +0200, "Hannele Huigens"
<Hannele@lycos.nl> in alt.abortion with message-id
<op.swxvw6y0vjeuhq@laptophannele> wrote:
Op Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:03:54 +0200 schreef Attila <prochoice@here.now>:
On 10 Sep 2005 21:57:17 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <szkfyscl3aq.fsf@eris.io.com> wrote:
"Bethe Blasienz" <Bethe57@cs.com> writes:
Uh huh........interesting what your agenda is. Who cares why anyone
stole what they did? Desparate times call for desparate measures.
The bigger question in all of this is should the money be spent to
build New Orleans over again?
I expect the money will be spent to rebuild the port, since it's a
significant
choke point in the national economy...which means there will still
be a
population center around it. The question is whether the rest of the
city
will be rebuilt.
Rebuilding anything on land that is below sea level would be a study
in stupidity. I am sure it will happen because it is a political
decision, but it would be an excellent example of sheer insanity.
The Dutch do nothing else, a large part of our country is below
sea-level.
Do you suggest we clear thoses lands, lose our seaport (one of the
biggest
in the world) and move out?
You really don't have a choice since you have nowhere else to go. Or
so I understand - I am no expert on the Netherlands and their
geography.
Well, since at least 1/3 of our country is below sea-level, the choice
is limited. And although we all know there are risks, nobody really is
afraid of drowning in our own homes (bathtubs excepted of course).
Would they build below sea level if they had higher land available a
few miles away?
We would and we do, even today. We even increased our area of land in
the 20th century and that part is below sea-level as well. But then
our government knows how important it is to keep the sea out and we
spend money on that, not just on the building but also on the
maintenance. It's a very big deal here.
And you do a very good job of it.
Didn't your country recently construct an hydraulic levee system?
We need to hire a few of your engineers.
From what little I know they routinely do the impossible.
Truly amazing!!!!
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| User: "Hannele Huigens" |
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11 Sep 2005 03:39:23 PM |
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Op Sun, 11 Sep 2005 17:27:03 +0200 schreef Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@-=Citlink=-.net>:
Hannele Huigens wrote:
Op Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:20:21 +0200 schreef Attila <prochoice@here.now>:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:04:08 +0200, "Hannele Huigens"
<Hannele@lycos.nl> in alt.abortion with message-id
<op.swxvw6y0vjeuhq@laptophannele> wrote:
Op Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:03:54 +0200 schreef Attila
<prochoice@here.now>:
On 10 Sep 2005 21:57:17 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <szkfyscl3aq.fsf@eris.io.com> wrote:
"Bethe Blasienz" <Bethe57@cs.com> writes:
Uh huh........interesting what your agenda is. Who cares why
anyone
stole what they did? Desparate times call for desparate measures.
The bigger question in all of this is should the money be spent to
build New Orleans over again?
I expect the money will be spent to rebuild the port, since it's a
significant
choke point in the national economy...which means there will still
be a
population center around it. The question is whether the rest of
the
city
will be rebuilt.
Rebuilding anything on land that is below sea level would be a study
in stupidity. I am sure it will happen because it is a political
decision, but it would be an excellent example of sheer insanity.
The Dutch do nothing else, a large part of our country is below
sea-level.
Do you suggest we clear thoses lands, lose our seaport (one of the
biggest
in the world) and move out?
You really don't have a choice since you have nowhere else to go. Or
so I understand - I am no expert on the Netherlands and their
geography.
Well, since at least 1/3 of our country is below sea-level, the choice
is limited. And although we all know there are risks, nobody really is
afraid of drowning in our own homes (bathtubs excepted of course).
Would they build below sea level if they had higher land available a
few miles away?
We would and we do, even today. We even increased our area of land in
the 20th century and that part is below sea-level as well. But then our
government knows how important it is to keep the sea out and we spend
money on that, not just on the building but also on the maintenance.
It's a very big deal here.
And you do a very good job of it.
Didn't your country recently construct an hydraulic levee system?
It was the last step in the Delta works, a project that was started after
the disaster in 1953. It's basically a dam that will allow the water to
flow freely to and from sea, until it is closed. Fortunately we haven't
needed it yet, but it is tested twice a year.
We need to hire a few of your engineers.
Well, we have experience in watermanagement dating back to the early 17th
century and we're starting to get good at it. So if you need experts, all
you've got to do is ask, and pay of course, the Dutch have always been
merchants. ;-)
--
Hannele Huigens
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11 Sep 2005 04:51:54 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:53:47 +0200, "Hannele Huigens"
<Hannele@lycos.nl> in alt.abortion with message-id
<op.swx0zxzvvjeuhq@laptophannele> wrote:
Op Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:20:21 +0200 schreef Attila <prochoice@here.now>:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:04:08 +0200, "Hannele Huigens"
<Hannele@lycos.nl> in alt.abortion with message-id
<op.swxvw6y0vjeuhq@laptophannele> wrote:
Op Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:03:54 +0200 schreef Attila <prochoice@here.now>:
On 10 Sep 2005 21:57:17 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <szkfyscl3aq.fsf@eris.io.com> wrote:
"Bethe Blasienz" <Bethe57@cs.com> writes:
Uh huh........interesting what your agenda is. Who cares why anyone
stole what they did? Desparate times call for desparate measures.
The bigger question in all of this is should the money be spent to
build New Orleans over again?
I expect the money will be spent to rebuild the port, since it's a
significant
choke point in the national economy...which means there will still be
a
population center around it. The question is whether the rest of the
city
will be rebuilt.
Rebuilding anything on land that is below sea level would be a study
in stupidity. I am sure it will happen because it is a political
decision, but it would be an excellent example of sheer insanity.
The Dutch do nothing else, a large part of our country is below
sea-level.
Do you suggest we clear thoses lands, lose our seaport (one of the
biggest
in the world) and move out?
You really don't have a choice since you have nowhere else to go. Or
so I understand - I am no expert on the Netherlands and their
geography.
Well, since at least 1/3 of our country is below sea-level, the choice is
limited. And although we all know there are risks, nobody really is afraid
of drowning in our own homes (bathtubs excepted of course).
That is what I meant. You have no choice - and few other places to
go. New Orleans, however, is a different story, and while it is
possible to live below sea level why do it if it is not necessary? Why
run the added risks and have the added expense?
Would they build below sea level if they had higher land available a
few miles away?
We would and we do, even today. We even increased our area of land in the
20th century and that part is below sea-level as well. But then our
government knows how important it is to keep the sea out and we spend
money on that, not just on the building but also on the maintenance. It's
a very big deal here.
Yes, I understand. But if most of your country was high ground, and
you had plenty of available space well above water would you
deliberately reclaim and use below sea level land just because you
could?
There is room to completely move the entire city of New Orleans to
land that is not below sea level. If someone has the nerve to say
what was there will not be replaced but instead rebuilt somewhere
else.
If it is rebuilt there is no reason the same thing could not happen
again. And again.
The port facilities and what is above sea level could stay, but
nothing now under water should be rebuilt.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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11 Sep 2005 08:02:47 PM |
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Attila wrote:
There is room to completely move the entire city of New Orleans to
land that is not below sea level. If someone has the nerve to say
what was there will not be replaced but instead rebuilt somewhere
else.
If it is rebuilt there is no reason the same thing could not happen
again. And again.
Where would that be?
NO *was* barely above sea level when first settled. The they started
draining the land and it settled.
Where along the Mississippi would you rebuild it with out the same thing
happening?
Baton Rouge is at a lofty 40 feet or so but within a short distance it's all
essentially at sea level.
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| User: "Attila" |
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11 Sep 2005 11:58:55 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 20:02:47 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<H30Ve.70$5n4.20@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net> wrote:
Attila wrote:
There is room to completely move the entire city of New Orleans to
land that is not below sea level. If someone has the nerve to say
what was there will not be replaced but instead rebuilt somewhere
else.
If it is rebuilt there is no reason the same thing could not happen
again. And again.
Where would that be?
NO *was* barely above sea level when first settled. The they started
draining the land and it settled.
We know a bit more about ecological impact now than we did then.
Geological surveys could certainly find better locations that land
that is already below sea level and needs dams and constant pumping
even by the standards of today. And all indications are that it will
only get worse. The general sea level is rising and all indications
are that it will continue to do so.
Where along the Mississippi would you rebuild it with out the same thing
happening?
Perhaps further inland, with only port facilities on the river itself?
Baton Rouge is at a lofty 40 feet or so but within a short distance it's all
essentially at sea level.
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| User: "1896 Dead" |
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11 Sep 2005 04:08:25 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:04:08 +0200, "Hannele Huigens"
<Hannele@lycos.nl> wrote:
Op Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:03:54 +0200 schreef Attila <prochoice@here.now>:
On 10 Sep 2005 21:57:17 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <szkfyscl3aq.fsf@eris.io.com> wrote:
"Bethe Blasienz" <Bethe57@cs.com> writes:
Uh huh........interesting what your agenda is. Who cares why anyone
stole what they did? Desparate times call for desparate measures.
The bigger question in all of this is should the money be spent to
build New Orleans over again?
I expect the money will be spent to rebuild the port, since it's a
significant
choke point in the national economy...which means there will still be a
population center around it. The question is whether the rest of the
city
will be rebuilt.
Rebuilding anything on land that is below sea level would be a study
in stupidity. I am sure it will happen because it is a political
decision, but it would be an excellent example of sheer insanity.
The Dutch do nothing else, a large part of our country is below sea-level.
Do you suggest we clear thoses lands, lose our seaport (one of the biggest
in the world) and move out?
The Netherlands had their Katrina (or as Pickles says, "Corrinna")
back in 1953. They learned, and built better, stronger dykes.
Much of London is under sea level these days, and they have a huge
series to cofferdams protecting the city.
Here in America, many major American cities straddle major fault
lines, or lie in the path of potential tsunamis, or are in the shadow
of volcanoes. Should we empty those out, too?
"'I’m not meeting with that goddamned *****,' Bush screamed at aides
who suggested he meet with Cindy Sheehan, the war-protesting mother
whose son died in Iraq. 'She can go to hell as far as I’m concerned!'"
--Putsch, a decompensating drunk
"Grover Norquist couldn't drown the government, so he drowned New Orleans instead."
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
For the finest in liberal/leftist commentary,
http://www.zeppscommentaries.com
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| User: "Attila" |
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11 Sep 2005 04:55:19 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 09:08:25 -0700, 1896 Dead
<zepp1896#2211finestplanet.com@> in alt.abortion with message-id
<k1j8i19v9r2dntqcloctr9mstdmtffgs7t@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:04:08 +0200, "Hannele Huigens"
<Hannele@lycos.nl> wrote:
Op Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:03:54 +0200 schreef Attila <prochoice@here.now>:
On 10 Sep 2005 21:57:17 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <szkfyscl3aq.fsf@eris.io.com> wrote:
"Bethe Blasienz" <Bethe57@cs.com> writes:
Uh huh........interesting what your agenda is. Who cares why anyone
stole what they did? Desparate times call for desparate measures.
The bigger question in all of this is should the money be spent to
build New Orleans over again?
I expect the money will be spent to rebuild the port, since it's a
significant
choke point in the national economy...which means there will still be a
population center around it. The question is whether the rest of the
city
will be rebuilt.
Rebuilding anything on land that is below sea level would be a study
in stupidity. I am sure it will happen because it is a political
decision, but it would be an excellent example of sheer insanity.
The Dutch do nothing else, a large part of our country is below sea-level.
Do you suggest we clear thoses lands, lose our seaport (one of the biggest
in the world) and move out?
The Netherlands had their Katrina (or as Pickles says, "Corrinna")
back in 1953. They learned, and built better, stronger dykes.
Much of London is under sea level these days, and they have a huge
series to cofferdams protecting the city.
Here in America, many major American cities straddle major fault
lines, or lie in the path of potential tsunamis, or are in the shadow
of volcanoes. Should we empty those out, too?
It is not a question of emptying existing and undamaged cities. It is
a question of rebuilding in the same place so the same thing can
happen again.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: New Orleans Victims Burning in Hell |
11 Sep 2005 08:05:42 PM |
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Attila wrote:
Rebuilding anything on land that is below sea level would be a
study in stupidity. I am sure it will happen because it is a
political decision, but it would be an excellent example of sheer
insanity.
The Dutch do nothing else, a large part of our country is below
sea-level. Do you suggest we clear thoses lands, lose our seaport
(one of the biggest in the world) and move out?
The Netherlands had their Katrina (or as Pickles says, "Corrinna")
back in 1953. They learned, and built better, stronger dykes.
Much of London is under sea level these days, and they have a huge
series to cofferdams protecting the city.
Here in America, many major American cities straddle major fault
lines, or lie in the path of potential tsunamis, or are in the shadow
of volcanoes. Should we empty those out, too?
It is not a question of emptying existing and undamaged cities. It is
a question of rebuilding in the same place so the same thing can
happen again.
Would you move New Orleans first or Galveston, Texas?
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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11 Sep 2005 04:22:45 AM |
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Bethe Blasienz wrote:
Uh huh........interesting what your agenda is. Who cares why anyone
stole what they did? Desparate times call for desparate measures.
The bigger question in all of this is should the money be spent to
build New Orleans over again?
Bethe Blasienz
Bryan, Texas
Some dy when you get bored look up the stuff that goes into and out of NO by
way of the mississippi. Water transport is cheap and can handle huge
volumes.
But we'll keep that in mind when the next big one hits Galveston.
Sept. 8, 1900: The Galveston hurricane was deadliest natural disaster in
U.S. history, killing formm 8,000 to 12,000 people. Storm tides (the surge
plus the astronomical tide) of 8-15 feet inundated the entire island city of
Galveston. More than half of all the homes and buildings were destroyed.
Property damage is estimated at $700 million in 1990 dollars.
August 16, 1915: A very large and violent storm hit Galveston. Despite the
10-foot-high sea wall built after the 1900 hurricane, storm tides 12 feet
above normal flooded the business district to a depth of six feet. 275
people lost their lives from a combination of high water and strong winds.
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10 Sep 2005 06:54:19 PM |
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biniohas wrote:
THEOCRACY IN ACTION
http://headlines.agapepress.or g/archive/9/72005b.asp
[...]
Lest anyone respond that the looting is justified because the looters
are simply trying to feed their families, I have two responses. First,
stealing is wrong under any circumstances.
[...]
Yep, that certainly does sound like theocracy in action.
It sounds like typical right-wing thinking today: care about the
material things and to Hell with the suffering people.
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| User: "Richard Smol" |
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11 Sep 2005 03:52:31 PM |
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biniohas wrote:
The souls of those who have embraced the 'culture' in New Orleans are
of the same basic essence as the souls of Josef Stalin, Adolph Hitler,
Jeffrey Dahmer, Bill Clinton...and you and me. That's right; we are no
different from the worst criminal when it comes to the capacity of our
hearts to do evil.
May death come upon us.
Incredible. This mst be the most vile stench ever to come out
of those hypocritical pieces of dreck at Agape... and considering
the vomit they usually produce, that means something. The mind
boggles at so much hatred at stupidity. *They* are the ones
in lieu with Hitler.
RS
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