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29 Dec 2006 03:37:00 PM |
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New to the group. What are your Fav books? |
Hi all,
I've been a long time atheist, but have only recently decided to back up my
view point. Just wondering if you guys could help jump start my research by
listing a few of your favorite books. I really want to focus on fact based
information. Contradictions in the bible, historical inaccuracies, etc.
Thanks guys!
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: New to the group. What are your Fav books? |
29 Dec 2006 05:56:41 PM |
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Bob wrote:
Hi all,
I've been a long time atheist, but have only recently decided to back up my
view point. Just wondering if you guys could help jump start my research by
listing a few of your favorite books. I really want to focus on fact based
information. Contradictions in the bible, historical inaccuracies, etc.
Thanks guys!
Another vote for "The Bible Unearthed" by Silberman/Finklestine. The
Patriarchs? Nope. The Exodus? Nah. Jealous smaller nation (Judea)
outraged that it's wealthier neighbor (Israel) had a more cosmopolitan
attitude? Bingo!
http://tinyurl.com/ykc4o7
For the New Testament, I like Burton Mack's "Who Wrote the New
Testament". Although he seems to believe (and actually presupposes it
in the book) there was a historical Jesus (I personally don't), it's
not a bad explanation of how the legend of the gentle Rabbi became the
Son Of God (tm).
http://tinyurl.com/yf72vc
On the subject of the possibility a historical Jesus never existed, I'd
start with Earl Doherty's website and the books he references. Although
the evidence is out there, the god-man has been such a presence in
Western thought for so long that people think we're revisionists for
just mentioning the possibility.
http://home.ca.inter.net/~oblio/home.htm
Another good start is this website:
http://home.earthlink.net/~pgwhacker/ChristianOrigins/
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man Sept 06
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "JessHC" |
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| Title: Re: New to the group. What are your Fav books? |
29 Dec 2006 09:15:56 PM |
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Bob wrote:
Hi all,
I've been a long time atheist, but have only recently decided to back up my
view point. Just wondering if you guys could help jump start my research by
listing a few of your favorite books. I really want to focus on fact based
information. Contradictions in the bible, historical inaccuracies, etc.
Thanks guys!
My apparently newly ex-christian ex-wife a few years ago got me Randi's
_An Encyclopedia of Claims, Frauds, and Hoaxes of the Occult and
Supernatural_ that's pretty good. There's now an on-line version at
http://www.randi.org/encyclopedia/.
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| User: "Olrik" |
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| Title: Re: New to the group. What are your Fav books? |
29 Dec 2006 10:41:41 PM |
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Bob wrote:
Hi all,
I've been a long time atheist, but have only recently decided to back up my
view point. Just wondering if you guys could help jump start my research by
listing a few of your favorite books. I really want to focus on fact based
information. Contradictions in the bible, historical inaccuracies, etc.
Thanks guys!
The "Atheist Manifesto: The Case Against Christianity, Judaism, and
Islam", by French author Michel Onfray. Available Jan 10, 2007.
http://tinyurl.com/vp822
(It goes to Amazon UK)
I've read the original, and it's very good, and it has a different
approach than The God Delusion, which I'm currently reading. The
"Atheist Manifesto..." is more biting and reads like a pamphlet, but
it's also very erudite (the author is a philosopher). Highly
recommended.
On the Web, you can't miss this site :
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
Olrik
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: New to the group. What are your Fav books? |
29 Dec 2006 04:38:42 PM |
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Bob wrote:
Hi all,
I've been a long time atheist, but have only recently decided to back up my
view point. Just wondering if you guys could help jump start my research by
listing a few of your favorite books. I really want to focus on fact based
information. Contradictions in the bible, historical inaccuracies, etc.
Thanks guys!
Oh, I see, those kind of books. I was about to say, "anything with the
name H. P. Lovecraft on the spine.", but that's not what you're looking
for is it? ;-)
"Film-Flam" by James Randi. A bit old, but still very good.
"The Faith Healers" by James Randi
"The Bible Unearthed" Very good book
"The History of the Bible" By Issac Asimov
Of course, nothing causes more atheism in the world then the source
document itself. I'd suggest:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
Great place to start.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.secularity.com/ktayloraz
A.A #1143 http://azhotops.blogspot.com/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: New to the group. What are your Fav books? |
29 Dec 2006 06:47:53 PM |
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"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in
news:q0ig64-5a92.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com:
Bob wrote:
Hi all,
I've been a long time atheist, but have only recently decided to back
up my view point. Just wondering if you guys could help jump start
my research by listing a few of your favorite books. I really want
to focus on fact based information. Contradictions in the bible,
historical inaccuracies, etc. Thanks guys!
Oh, I see, those kind of books. I was about to say, "anything with
the name H. P. Lovecraft on the spine.", but that's not what you're
looking for is it? ;-)
"Film-Flam" by James Randi. A bit old, but still very good.
"The Faith Healers" by James Randi
"The Bible Unearthed" Very good book
"The History of the Bible" By Issac Asimov
"Atheism: The Case Against God" by George H. Smith
"The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession.
-- Abraham Lincoln
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: New to the group. What are your Fav books? |
30 Dec 2006 01:34:35 AM |
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In article <0001HW.C1BACA7C000A6F10F0305530@news.west.cox.net>,
Bob <boblynn@sprynet.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I've been a long time atheist, but have only recently decided to back up my
view point. Just wondering if you guys could help jump start my research by
listing a few of your favorite books. I really want to focus on fact based
information. Contradictions in the bible, historical inaccuracies, etc.
Thanks guys!
Hi Bob!
I'd recommend the already mentioned "The God Delusion" by Dawkins, "The
End of Faith" by Sam Harris, and another favorite of mine is "The Demon
Haunted World", by Carl Sagan.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Bob" |
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| Title: Thank you all! Looks like I've got a lot to read |
30 Dec 2006 04:33:13 PM |
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Noticed the "God Delusion" mentioned more than a few times. Started reading
it a few weeks ago. That was what inspired me to search out this group.
Thanks again for all the help.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Thank you all! Looks like I've got a lot to read |
31 Dec 2006 12:36:09 AM |
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In article <0001HW.C1BC29290001068AF0509530@news.west.cox.net>,
Bob <boblynn@sprynet.com> wrote:
Noticed the "God Delusion" mentioned more than a few times. Started reading
it a few weeks ago. That was what inspired me to search out this group.
Thanks again for all the help.
Good choice!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: New to the group. What are your Fav books? |
03 Jan 2007 08:47:15 PM |
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:37:00 -0800, Bob <boblynn@sprynet.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
Hi all,
I've been a long time atheist, but have only recently decided to back up my
view point. Just wondering if you guys could help jump start my research by
listing a few of your favorite books. I really want to focus on fact based
information. Contradictions in the bible, historical inaccuracies, etc.
Thanks guys!
Hello and welcome to the zoo. Your viewpoint is your own and doesn't
require defending. After all, it pertains only to you.
As for the utilization of reason, that's a waste of time since
Christianity isn't reason based. It's emotionally based on fear/terror.
Those high levels have the tendency to 'lock out' any cognitive
functions.
If you really want to focus on fact based information you don't need
resources. Don't metaphorically put the cart before the horse.
Focusing on the rubbish 'definition' for the g-o-d letter string and the
myraid begged questions, broken logic, and furious handwaving is all
that's necessary.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: New to the group. What are your Fav books? |
01 Jan 2007 06:13:48 PM |
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:37:00 -0800, Bob <boblynn@sprynet.com> wrote:
- Refer: <0001HW.C1BACA7C000A6F10F0305530@news.west.cox.net>
Hi all,
I've been a long time atheist, but have only recently decided to back up my
view point. Just wondering if you guys could help jump start my research by
listing a few of your favorite books. I really want to focus on fact based
information. Contradictions in the bible, historical inaccuracies, etc.
Thanks guys!
Demon Haunted World - Carl Sagan.
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Re: New to the group. What are your Fav books? |
29 Dec 2006 05:23:27 PM |
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:37:00 -0800, Bob <boblynn@sprynet.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I've been a long time atheist, but have only recently decided to back up my
view point. Just wondering if you guys could help jump start my research by
listing a few of your favorite books. I really want to focus on fact based
information. Contradictions in the bible, historical inaccuracies, etc.
Thanks guys!
"Age of Reason"
Thomas Paine
"2000 Years of Disbelief: Famous People With the Courage to Doubt"
James A. Haught
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2990 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
newsgroups Yang promises not to revenge post
in response to Sound-of-Trumpet's *****:
rec.art.scifi.written
sci.archaeology
soc.history.what-if
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: New to the group. What are your Fav books? |
30 Dec 2006 12:09:56 AM |
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:37:00 -0800, Bob <boblynn@sprynet.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I've been a long time atheist, but have only recently decided to back up my
view point. Just wondering if you guys could help jump start my research by
listing a few of your favorite books. I really want to focus on fact based
information. Contradictions in the bible, historical inaccuracies, etc.
Thanks guys!
A very good introduction to critical thinking is Carl Sagan's "The
Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark", which doesn't
directly address the Bible, but offers valuable tools for doing so.
Also, please bear in mind that the Bible is just a collection of
seventy out of the many thousands of religious texts produced by
humans throughout our history; there's really no point in specifically
refuting any individual one of the lot any more than one needs to
refute goblins or unicorns, indeed, bothering to refute them gives
them a dignity that they don't actually merit. But if you really are
interested in doing so, www.skepticsannotatedbible.com is a good
starting point.
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: New to the group. What are your Fav books? |
02 Jan 2007 10:07:55 AM |
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:37:00 -0600, Bob wrote
(in article <0001HW.C1BACA7C000A6F10F0305530@news.west.cox.net>):
Hi all,
I've been a long time atheist, but have only recently decided to back up my
view point. Just wondering if you guys could help jump start my research by
listing a few of your favorite books. I really want to focus on fact based
information. Contradictions in the bible, historical inaccuracies, etc.
Thanks guys!
The best choice for finding stupid stuff in the bible is ... the bible. I
have never bought any "atheist books." Why would I need to with the bible
being such a perfect weapon against the bible?
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
łThe price of freedom is the defense of idiots.˛ - Jimmy ***** Sheaver
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: New to the group. What are your Fav books? |
29 Dec 2006 08:49:09 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, Bob <boblynn@sprynet.com> bloodied us up
with this:
Hi all,
I've been a long time atheist, but have only recently decided to back
up my view point.
Thank GAWWD. A few posters of late have claimed long time atheism only
to follow it with a claim of the discovery of "god".
Just wondering if you guys could help jump start my
research by listing a few of your favorite books. I really want to
focus on fact based information. Contradictions in the bible,
historical inaccuracies, etc. Thanks guys!
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
Or pick up a copy of "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. I'm in
chapter 2 now, it's wonderful.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Proud member of Earthquack's "Ghost fulla holes" convict page
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