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"MarkA" |
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17 Nov 2005 12:57:22 PM |
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New word needed |
Now that the State of Kansas has a new definition of the word "science",
there is bound to be some confusion whenever a student from the Kansas
public school system tries to talk to a scientist from anywhere in the
rest of the world. I propose that we use a new word when referring to the
definition of "science" that the Kansas School Board is using. Perhaps
"Kanscience" would be good? It is easy to pronounce and spell.
Some might object that we already have enough words to describe
"kanscience", words like "magic", "alchemy", "superstition", etc.
However, these terms are often used as a contrast with "science", while
"kanscience" is specifically defined as "real science PLUS magic."
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MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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| Title: Re: New word needed |
17 Nov 2005 02:22:16 PM |
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"Stupid fake Kansas science"?
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| User: "Glend" |
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17 Nov 2005 06:03:35 PM |
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I suppose I'm wondering why the scientist would want to speak to
someone educated in the Kansas school system in the future, below
college and university level anyhow. I think that the scientist will
be inclined to call this "science" sheer "ignorance".
If we are going to coin a term, however, it should end with "-ism", to
demarcate the fact that it is born of ideology/theology, and is not the
result of honest investigation. Dembski-ism, Behe-ism, Dimski-ism,
creationism, maybe even "scientism" (defined as that which has the
(albeit poor) appearance of science, but fails in all ways to meet
scientific standards. And I know the term is taken, but is not widely
used in its current definition). Of course we could just call it
metaphysics and skip word coinage.
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17 Nov 2005 09:38:48 PM |
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If we are going to coin a term, however, it should end with "-ism",
to demarcate the fact that it is born of ideology/theology, and is
not the result of honest investigation.
IDiism for the belief system.
IDiist for any believer.
IDiot for any patriot in the effort to push that IDeology on others,
including anyone making any effort to get it taught in public schools.
IDiocy as the adjective for the quality of being an IDiot or IDiist or
for believing IDiism.
IDiology for the study of psychological factors in IDiocy.
IDiotry for the treatment of IDiots to attempt to cure them.
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| User: "Matt" |
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17 Nov 2005 06:27:24 PM |
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Glend wrote:
I suppose I'm wondering why the scientist would want to speak to
someone educated in the Kansas school system in the future, below
college and university level anyhow. I think that the scientist will
be inclined to call this "science" sheer "ignorance".
If we are going to coin a term, however, it should end with "-ism", to
demarcate the fact that it is born of ideology/theology, and is not the
result of honest investigation. Dembski-ism, Behe-ism, Dimski-ism,
creationism, maybe even "scientism" (defined as that which has the
(albeit poor) appearance of science, but fails in all ways to meet
scientific standards. And I know the term is taken, but is not widely
used in its current definition). Of course we could just call it
metaphysics and skip word coinage.
abscience -ism?
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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17 Nov 2005 10:41:59 PM |
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In article <pan.2005.11.17.12.57.21.882830@stopspam.net>, MarkA
said...
Now that the State of Kansas has a new definition of the word "science",
there is bound to be some confusion whenever a student from the Kansas
public school system tries to talk to a scientist from anywhere in the
rest of the world. I propose that we use a new word when referring to the
definition of "science" that the Kansas School Board is using.
"Tinscience" <TIN-see-unce> -- named after the tin-man in _The
Wizard of Oz_, in recognition of the tinny foundation on which
Kansas in building its biology curriculum.
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "Yournameheres personal Cthulhu" |
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| Title: Re: New word needed |
17 Nov 2005 01:16:05 PM |
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MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> suddenly spluttered:
Now that the State of Kansas has a new definition of the word "science",
there is bound to be some confusion whenever a student from the Kansas
public school system tries to talk to a scientist from anywhere in the
rest of the world. I propose that we use a new word when referring to the
definition of "science" that the Kansas School Board is using. Perhaps
"Kanscience" would be good? It is easy to pronounce and spell.
Some might object that we already have enough words to describe
"kanscience", words like "magic", "alchemy", "superstition", etc.
However, these terms are often used as a contrast with "science", while
"kanscience" is specifically defined as "real science PLUS magic."
"*****" works for me.
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Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
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| User: "Bob Pease" |
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| Title: Re: New word needed |
17 Nov 2005 02:52:08 PM |
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"<Yournamehere>'s personal Cthulhu" <yournamehere@martyrdom.org> wrote in
message news:jj0pn1l1r0tkb5ldicgp6t3v87afc1pjbl@4ax.com...
MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> suddenly spluttered:
Now that the State of Kansas has a new definition of the word "science",
there is bound to be some confusion whenever a student from the Kansas
public school system tries to talk to a scientist from anywhere in the
rest of the world. I propose that we use a new word when referring to
the
definition of "science" that the Kansas School Board is using. Perhaps
"Kanscience" would be good? It is easy to pronounce and spell.
Some might object that we already have enough words to describe
"kanscience", words like "magic", "alchemy", "superstition", etc.
However, these terms are often used as a contrast with "science", while
"kanscience" is specifically defined as "real science PLUS magic."
"*****" works for me.
How about "Plaintrooth"
OOps , that one's already taken
How about " Gitcheesefsavedience"
RJ P
RJ P
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: New word needed |
17 Nov 2005 06:45:29 PM |
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"<Yournamehere>'s personal Cthulhu" <yournamehere@martyrdom.org> wrote in
message news:jj0pn1l1r0tkb5ldicgp6t3v87afc1pjbl@4ax.com...
MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> suddenly spluttered:
Now that the State of Kansas has a new definition of the word "science",
there is bound to be some confusion whenever a student from the Kansas
public school system tries to talk to a scientist from anywhere in the
rest of the world. I propose that we use a new word when referring to the
definition of "science" that the Kansas School Board is using. Perhaps
"Kanscience" would be good? It is easy to pronounce and spell.
Some might object that we already have enough words to describe
"kanscience", words like "magic", "alchemy", "superstition", etc.
However, these terms are often used as a contrast with "science", while
"kanscience" is specifically defined as "real science PLUS magic."
"*****" works for me.
beat me to it!
Kathryn
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"We have toasters in this country...and they lie to us! Because it has
numbers from one to six and it lies to us!"
Eddie Izzard
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| User: "Gary Bohn" |
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17 Nov 2005 09:13:39 PM |
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"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in
news:dlij48$i9f$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com:
"<Yournamehere>'s personal Cthulhu" <yournamehere@martyrdom.org> wrote
in message news:jj0pn1l1r0tkb5ldicgp6t3v87afc1pjbl@4ax.com...
MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> suddenly spluttered:
Now that the State of Kansas has a new definition of the word
"science", there is bound to be some confusion whenever a student
from the Kansas public school system tries to talk to a scientist
from anywhere in the rest of the world. I propose that we use a new
word when referring to the definition of "science" that the Kansas
School Board is using. Perhaps "Kanscience" would be good? It is
easy to pronounce and spell.
Some might object that we already have enough words to describe
"kanscience", words like "magic", "alchemy", "superstition", etc.
However, these terms are often used as a contrast with "science",
while "kanscience" is specifically defined as "real science PLUS
magic."
"*****" works for me.
beat me to it!
Kathryn
Why would you name it 'beat me to it'? It has too many syllables for the
Kansas school system science grads to pronounce.
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Gary Bohn
Science rationally modifies a theory to fit evidence, creationism
emotionally modifies evidence to fit a specific interpretation of the
bible.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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17 Nov 2005 10:11:22 PM |
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on 17 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Gary Bohn
(garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca) made the light shine upon us with this:
"*****" works for me.
beat me to it!
Kathryn
Why would you name it 'beat me to it'? It has too many syllables for the
Kansas school system science grads to pronounce.
Heh - Kansas Science Grads. http://tinyurl.com/a6d8k
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Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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"The world is only 5-6 thousand years old does not mean the planet
earth is only 5-6 thousand years old. There have been many worlds
created and destroyed on this planet. The creation of the planet is
described in Genesis 1. The creation of the world is described in
Genesis 2. Two different kind of creations." --Eric Brze
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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17 Nov 2005 06:14:41 PM |
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MarkA wrote:
Now that the State of Kansas has a new definition of the word
"science", there is bound to be some confusion whenever a student
from the Kansas public school system tries to talk to a scientist
from anywhere in the rest of the world. I propose that we use a new
word when referring to the definition of "science" that the Kansas
School Board is using. Perhaps "Kanscience" would be good? It is
easy to pronounce and spell.
Some might object that we already have enough words to describe
"kanscience", words like "magic", "alchemy", "superstition", etc.
However, these terms are often used as a contrast with "science",
while "kanscience" is specifically defined as "real science PLUS
magic."
psyince
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| User: "Cabbage" |
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17 Nov 2005 08:29:25 PM |
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MarkA wrote:
Now that the State of Kansas has a new definition of the word "science",
there is bound to be some confusion whenever a student from the Kansas
public school system tries to talk to a scientist from anywhere in the
rest of the world. I propose that we use a new word when referring to the
definition of "science" that the Kansas School Board is using. Perhaps
"Kanscience" would be good? It is easy to pronounce and spell.
Some might object that we already have enough words to describe
"kanscience", words like "magic", "alchemy", "superstition", etc.
However, these terms are often used as a contrast with "science", while
"kanscience" is specifically defined as "real science PLUS magic."
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
How about "schmience." Science, schmience, what's the difference?
gotta go,
cabbage
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| User: "Ron O" |
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| Title: Re: New word needed |
18 Nov 2005 10:19:06 PM |
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MarkA wrote:
Now that the State of Kansas has a new definition of the word "science",
there is bound to be some confusion whenever a student from the Kansas
public school system tries to talk to a scientist from anywhere in the
rest of the world. I propose that we use a new word when referring to the
definition of "science" that the Kansas School Board is using. Perhaps
"Kanscience" would be good? It is easy to pronounce and spell.
Some might object that we already have enough words to describe
"kanscience", words like "magic", "alchemy", "superstition", etc.
However, these terms are often used as a contrast with "science", while
"kanscience" is specifically defined as "real science PLUS magic."
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MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
I just heard a new word that fits the Kansas creationist board members.
Ignoranus.
This would be an ignorant ***** as opposed to an ignorant moron.
Ron Okimoto
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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19 Nov 2005 03:20:49 AM |
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On 18 Nov 2005 14:19:06 -0800, "Ron O" <rokimoto@cox.net> wrote:
MarkA wrote:
Now that the State of Kansas has a new definition of the word "science",
there is bound to be some confusion whenever a student from the Kansas
public school system tries to talk to a scientist from anywhere in the
rest of the world. I propose that we use a new word when referring to the
definition of "science" that the Kansas School Board is using. Perhaps
"Kanscience" would be good? It is easy to pronounce and spell.
Some might object that we already have enough words to describe
"kanscience", words like "magic", "alchemy", "superstition", etc.
However, these terms are often used as a contrast with "science", while
"kanscience" is specifically defined as "real science PLUS magic."
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
I just heard a new word that fits the Kansas creationist board members.
Ignoranus.
This would be an ignorant ***** as opposed to an ignorant moron.
Ron Okimoto
Excellent!
Consider it stolen.
Hang on a minute. There could be a copyright problem here.
Better check first and see that it's not duke's middle name.
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| User: "The Last Conformist" |
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17 Nov 2005 05:34:24 PM |
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MarkA wrote:
Now that the State of Kansas has a new definition of the word "science",
there is bound to be some confusion whenever a student from the Kansas
public school system tries to talk to a scientist from anywhere in the
rest of the world. I propose that we use a new word when referring to the
definition of "science" that the Kansas School Board is using. Perhaps
"Kanscience" would be good? It is easy to pronounce and spell.
Some might object that we already have enough words to describe
"kanscience", words like "magic", "alchemy", "superstition", etc.
However, these terms are often used as a contrast with "science", while
"kanscience" is specifically defined as "real science PLUS magic."
"Nescience".
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| User: "shane" |
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18 Nov 2005 12:08:57 AM |
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The Last Conformist wrote:
MarkA wrote:
Now that the State of Kansas has a new definition of the word "science",
there is bound to be some confusion whenever a student from the Kansas
public school system tries to talk to a scientist from anywhere in the
rest of the world. I propose that we use a new word when referring to the
definition of "science" that the Kansas School Board is using. Perhaps
"Kanscience" would be good? It is easy to pronounce and spell.
Some might object that we already have enough words to describe
"kanscience", words like "magic", "alchemy", "superstition", etc.
However, these terms are often used as a contrast with "science", while
"kanscience" is specifically defined as "real science PLUS magic."
"Nescience".
Senescience.
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| User: "zinnic" |
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17 Nov 2005 11:49:08 PM |
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shane wrote:
The Last Conformist wrote:
MarkA wrote:
Now that the State of Kansas has a new definition of the word "science",
there is bound to be some confusion whenever a student from the Kansas
public school system tries to talk to a scientist from anywhere in the
rest of the world. I propose that we use a new word when referring to the
definition of "science" that the Kansas School Board is using. Perhaps
"Kanscience" would be good? It is easy to pronounce and spell.
Some might object that we already have enough words to describe
"kanscience", words like "magic", "alchemy", "superstition", etc.
However, these terms are often used as a contrast with "science", while
"kanscience" is specifically defined as "real science PLUS magic."
"Nescience".
Senescience.
Conscience
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| User: "Ernest Major" |
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19 Nov 2005 12:26:09 AM |
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In message <1132271348.395619.290740@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
zinnic <zeenric2@gate.net> writes
shane wrote:
The Last Conformist wrote:
MarkA wrote:
Now that the State of Kansas has a new definition of the word "science",
there is bound to be some confusion whenever a student from the Kansas
public school system tries to talk to a scientist from anywhere in the
rest of the world. I propose that we use a new word when referring to the
definition of "science" that the Kansas School Board is using. Perhaps
"Kanscience" would be good? It is easy to pronounce and spell.
Some might object that we already have enough words to describe
"kanscience", words like "magic", "alchemy", "superstition", etc.
However, these terms are often used as a contrast with "science", while
"kanscience" is specifically defined as "real science PLUS magic."
"Nescience".
Senescience.
Conscience
You misspelled it - try "con-science".
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alias Ernest Major
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| User: "zinnic" |
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19 Nov 2005 02:53:34 AM |
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Ernest Major wrote:
In message <1132271348.395619.290740@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
zinnic <zeenric2@gate.net> writes
shane wrote:
The Last Conformist wrote:
MarkA wrote:
Now that the State of Kansas has a new definition of the word "science",
there is bound to be some confusion whenever a student from the Kansas
public school system tries to talk to a scientist from anywhere in the
rest of the world. I propose that we use a new word when referring to the
definition of "science" that the Kansas School Board is using. Perhaps
"Kanscience" would be good? It is easy to pronounce and spell.
Some might object that we already have enough words to describe
"kanscience", words like "magic", "alchemy", "superstition", etc.
However, these terms are often used as a contrast with "science", while
"kanscience" is specifically defined as "real science PLUS magic."
"Nescience".
Senescience.
Conscience
You misspelled it - try "con-science".
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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18 Nov 2005 02:28:32 AM |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:57:22 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
Now that the State of Kansas has a new definition of the word "science",
there is bound to be some confusion whenever a student from the Kansas
public school system tries to talk to a scientist from anywhere in the
rest of the world. I propose that we use a new word when referring to the
definition of "science" that the Kansas School Board is using. Perhaps
"Kanscience" would be good? It is easy to pronounce and spell.
Some might object that we already have enough words to describe
"kanscience", words like "magic", "alchemy", "superstition", etc.
However, these terms are often used as a contrast with "science", while
"kanscience" is specifically defined as "real science PLUS magic."
1) Sly-ence.
2) Seance.
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| User: "Dogma Discharge" |
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18 Nov 2005 12:28:04 PM |
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:bueqn1hi7pmii1073ab0cvsjdkpjifr3mo@4ax.com...
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:57:22 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
SanScience?
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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17 Nov 2005 04:47:28 PM |
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on 17 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet MarkA (manthony@stopspam.net)
made the light shine upon us with this:
Now that the State of Kansas has a new definition of the word
"science", there is bound to be some confusion whenever a student
from the Kansas public school system tries to talk to a scientist
from anywhere in the rest of the world. I propose that we use a new
word when referring to the definition of "science" that the Kansas
School Board is using. Perhaps "Kanscience" would be good? It is
easy to pronounce and spell.
Some might object that we already have enough words to describe
"kanscience", words like "magic", "alchemy", "superstition", etc.
However, these terms are often used as a contrast with "science",
while "kanscience" is specifically defined as "real science PLUS
magic."
How 'bout "omni-science"?
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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"The world is only 5-6 thousand years old does not mean the planet
earth is only 5-6 thousand years old. There have been many worlds
created and destroyed on this planet. The creation of the planet is
described in Genesis 1. The creation of the world is described in
Genesis 2. Two different kind of creations." --Eric Brze
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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17 Nov 2005 05:01:04 PM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
on 17 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet MarkA (manthony@stopspam.net)
made the light shine upon us with this:
Now that the State of Kansas has a new definition of the word
"science", there is bound to be some confusion whenever a student
from the Kansas public school system tries to talk to a scientist
from anywhere in the rest of the world. I propose that we use a new
word when referring to the definition of "science" that the Kansas
School Board is using. Perhaps "Kanscience" would be good? It is
easy to pronounce and spell.
Some might object that we already have enough words to describe
"kanscience", words like "magic", "alchemy", "superstition", etc.
However, these terms are often used as a contrast with "science",
while "kanscience" is specifically defined as "real science PLUS
magic."
How 'bout "omni-science"?
Naa, that's no good. That sounds like it might possibly be a good
thing. Very undescriptive of what they are doing in Kansas.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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17 Nov 2005 05:46:38 PM |
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on 17 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Conspiracy of Doves
(mark_dp73@yahoo.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Uncle Vic wrote:
on 17 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet MarkA (manthony@stopspam.net)
made the light shine upon us with this:
Now that the State of Kansas has a new definition of the word
"science", there is bound to be some confusion whenever a student
from the Kansas public school system tries to talk to a scientist
from anywhere in the rest of the world. I propose that we use a new
word when referring to the definition of "science" that the Kansas
School Board is using. Perhaps "Kanscience" would be good? It is
easy to pronounce and spell.
Some might object that we already have enough words to describe
"kanscience", words like "magic", "alchemy", "superstition", etc.
However, these terms are often used as a contrast with "science",
while "kanscience" is specifically defined as "real science PLUS
magic."
How 'bout "omni-science"?
Naa, that's no good. That sounds like it might possibly be a good
thing. Very undescriptive of what they are doing in Kansas.
ascience?
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
----
"The world is only 5-6 thousand years old does not mean the planet
earth is only 5-6 thousand years old. There have been many worlds
created and destroyed on this planet. The creation of the planet is
described in Genesis 1. The creation of the world is described in
Genesis 2. Two different kind of creations." --Eric Brze
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: New word needed |
17 Nov 2005 08:16:03 PM |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:46:38 -0600, Uncle Vic wrote:
on 17 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Conspiracy of Doves
(mark_dp73@yahoo.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Uncle Vic wrote:
on 17 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet MarkA (manthony@stopspam.net)
made the light shine upon us with this:
Now that the State of Kansas has a new definition of the word
"science", there is bound to be some confusion whenever a student
from the Kansas public school system tries to talk to a scientist
from anywhere in the rest of the world. I propose that we use a new
word when referring to the definition of "science" that the Kansas
School Board is using. Perhaps "Kanscience" would be good? It is
easy to pronounce and spell.
Some might object that we already have enough words to describe
"kanscience", words like "magic", "alchemy", "superstition", etc.
However, these terms are often used as a contrast with "science",
while "kanscience" is specifically defined as "real science PLUS
magic."
How 'bout "omni-science"?
Naa, that's no good. That sounds like it might possibly be a good thing.
Very undescriptive of what they are doing in Kansas.
ascience?
How about "nonsciense"? It has kind of a cute double meaning.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "" |
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17 Nov 2005 09:23:59 PM |
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Unscience.
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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| Title: Re: New word needed |
17 Nov 2005 06:06:43 PM |
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That's better
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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| Title: Re: New word needed |
18 Nov 2005 12:00:49 AM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
on 17 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Conspiracy of Doves
(mark_dp73@yahoo.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Uncle Vic wrote:
on 17 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet MarkA (manthony@stopspam.net)
made the light shine upon us with this:
Now that the State of Kansas has a new definition of the word
"science", there is bound to be some confusion whenever a student
from the Kansas public school system tries to talk to a scientist
from anywhere in the rest of the world. I propose that we use a new
word when referring to the definition of "science" that the Kansas
School Board is using. Perhaps "Kanscience" would be good? It is
easy to pronounce and spell.
Some might object that we already have enough words to describe
"kanscience", words like "magic", "alchemy", "superstition", etc.
However, these terms are often used as a contrast with "science",
while "kanscience" is specifically defined as "real science PLUS
magic."
How 'bout "omni-science"?
Naa, that's no good. That sounds like it might possibly be a good
thing. Very undescriptive of what they are doing in Kansas.
ascience?
In America it should be called asscience, based on where it originates. In the
rest of the world, arscience...
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
"Darwin's theory has no more to do with philosophy than any other
hypothesis in natural science." Tractatus 4.1122
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