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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Michael Gray"
Date: 05 Nov 2006 05:29:32 PM
Object: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again)
Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/05/nrelig05.xml
By Jonathan Wynne-Jones, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 12:13am GMT 05/11/2006
"A leading church group which represents more than a million
Christians has raised the prospect of civil unrest and even "violent
revolution" to protect religious freedoms.
In a startling warning to the Government, senior church and political
figures have backed a report advocating force to protest against
policies that are "unbiblical" and "inimical to the Christian faith".
The menacing language of the report, which Lord Mawhinney, the Tory
peer, Andy Reed, the Labour MP, and the Rt Rev Peter Forster, the
Bishop of Chester, helped to produce, echoes comments made by Muslim
fanatics.
Only days ago, Islamic activist Anjem Choudary said Muslims had become
radicalised because they were "a community under siege".
The report from the Evangelical Alliance says "violent revolution"
should be regarded as a viable response if government legislation
encroaches further on basic religious rights. The church is urged to
come to a consensus that "at some point there is not only the right
but the duty to disobey the state".
The report, entitled "Faith and Nation", comes amid growing concern
that people are being prevented from expressing their faith, including
BA's recent decision that an employee could not wear a crucifix.
The Government's attempt to introduce religious hatred laws has
highlighted the growing threat to religious liberty, the report says.
Pope Benedict XVI has also said that God is being pushed to the
margins by "secular forces".
Proposals to ban proselytising in publicly-funded Christian projects
could ultimately lead to Christians being prevented from teaching
others about the Bible. This would "be unambiguously recognised by
Christians as perpetrating evil that has to be resisted by deliberate
acts of defiance", the report says.
While it has always been expected that the greatest threat to
Britain's security will come from Muslim extremists, the report will
cause particular alarm to government ministers as it reveals disquiet
among the country's Christian population.
Significantly, it comes from the Evangelical Alliance – a mainstream
organisation representing 1.2 million Christians. The organisation
acknowledges that "resisting evil in the modern state" can take many
different forms. Before resorting to force, Christians would normally
first turn to dialogue.
But in some circumstances "the use of defensive force may become a
necessary and legitimate remedy for Christians", it suggests.
"If, as most Christians accept, they should be politically involved in
democratic processes, many believe this may, where necessary, take the
form of active resistance to the state. This may encompass
disobedience to law, civil disobedience, involving selective,
non-violent resistance or, ultimately, violent revolution."
Mike Morris, the executive director of the Evangelical Alliance, said
that the report reflected the breadth of submissions they had
received.
"It is not as if Christians are going to take to the streets, but we
need to be able to stand up to things that are challenging the
Christian conscience, regardless of the consequences."
However, the Very Rev Colin Slee, the Dean of Southwark, said it would
send out a confused message.
"The fundamental themes of the gospel are love and reconciliation, not
violent revolution," he said.
The Evangelical Alliance has raised the debate at a time when
religious liberty issues are beginning to dominate the headlines
following the row over Muslim women's right to wear the veil and BA's
decision to suspend Nadia Eweida, 55, for breaching its uniform policy
by wearing a cross.
Anjem Choudary, who helped organise the anti-Danish cartoon protests,
last week said that the London bombings should not have come as a
surprise. "How else do you expect Muslims to express themselves?" he
said. "We are a community under siege. It's going to blow up one day
in everyone's faces."
This newspaper revealed last week the increasing anxiety among senior
police officers at the change in "the landscape of political protest"
since the millennium – prompting them to consider introducing water
cannons to control violent street protests.
Tarique Ghaffur, the Assistant Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police
Force, said last week: "Recent high-profile demonstrations and the
actions of individuals or groups at localised protests have served to
highlight a complex dynamic emerging in London, built around a
potentially volatile mix of issues and increasingly diametrically
opposed religious-political viewpoints."
--
.

User: ""

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 07 Dec 2006 03:55:35 PM
English Inquisitor: TEA AND CAKE OR DEATH!?!?!?!?
Inquisitee #1: Umm.... cake please.
English Inquisitor: Right-O.. here you go
English Inquisitor (to Inquisitee #2): TEA AND CAKE OR DEATH!?!??!?!?!
Inquisitee #1: Uhhh... death.... NO NO WAIT! CAKE!
English Inquisitor: But you said death first...
Inquisitee #1: But i didn't really mean it
English Inquisitor: Oh all right..
-- Eddie Izzard
Michael Gray wrote:

Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/05/nrelig05.xml

By Jonathan Wynne-Jones, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 12:13am GMT 05/11/2006

"A leading church group which represents more than a million
Christians has raised the prospect of civil unrest and even "violent
revolution" to protect religious freedoms.

In a startling warning to the Government, senior church and political
figures have backed a report advocating force to protest against
policies that are "unbiblical" and "inimical to the Christian faith".

The menacing language of the report, which Lord Mawhinney, the Tory
peer, Andy Reed, the Labour MP, and the Rt Rev Peter Forster, the
Bishop of Chester, helped to produce, echoes comments made by Muslim
fanatics.

Only days ago, Islamic activist Anjem Choudary said Muslims had become
radicalised because they were "a community under siege".

The report from the Evangelical Alliance says "violent revolution"
should be regarded as a viable response if government legislation
encroaches further on basic religious rights. The church is urged to
come to a consensus that "at some point there is not only the right
but the duty to disobey the state".

The report, entitled "Faith and Nation", comes amid growing concern
that people are being prevented from expressing their faith, including
BA's recent decision that an employee could not wear a crucifix.

The Government's attempt to introduce religious hatred laws has
highlighted the growing threat to religious liberty, the report says.
Pope Benedict XVI has also said that God is being pushed to the
margins by "secular forces".

Proposals to ban proselytising in publicly-funded Christian projects
could ultimately lead to Christians being prevented from teaching
others about the Bible. This would "be unambiguously recognised by
Christians as perpetrating evil that has to be resisted by deliberate
acts of defiance", the report says.

While it has always been expected that the greatest threat to
Britain's security will come from Muslim extremists, the report will
cause particular alarm to government ministers as it reveals disquiet
among the country's Christian population.

Significantly, it comes from the Evangelical Alliance - a mainstream
organisation representing 1.2 million Christians. The organisation
acknowledges that "resisting evil in the modern state" can take many
different forms. Before resorting to force, Christians would normally
first turn to dialogue.

But in some circumstances "the use of defensive force may become a
necessary and legitimate remedy for Christians", it suggests.

"If, as most Christians accept, they should be politically involved in
democratic processes, many believe this may, where necessary, take the
form of active resistance to the state. This may encompass
disobedience to law, civil disobedience, involving selective,
non-violent resistance or, ultimately, violent revolution."

Mike Morris, the executive director of the Evangelical Alliance, said
that the report reflected the breadth of submissions they had
received.

"It is not as if Christians are going to take to the streets, but we
need to be able to stand up to things that are challenging the
Christian conscience, regardless of the consequences."

However, the Very Rev Colin Slee, the Dean of Southwark, said it would
send out a confused message.

"The fundamental themes of the gospel are love and reconciliation, not
violent revolution," he said.

The Evangelical Alliance has raised the debate at a time when
religious liberty issues are beginning to dominate the headlines
following the row over Muslim women's right to wear the veil and BA's
decision to suspend Nadia Eweida, 55, for breaching its uniform policy
by wearing a cross.

Anjem Choudary, who helped organise the anti-Danish cartoon protests,
last week said that the London bombings should not have come as a
surprise. "How else do you expect Muslims to express themselves?" he
said. "We are a community under siege. It's going to blow up one day
in everyone's faces."

This newspaper revealed last week the increasing anxiety among senior
police officers at the change in "the landscape of political protest"
since the millennium - prompting them to consider introducing water
cannons to control violent street protests.

Tarique Ghaffur, the Assistant Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police
Force, said last week: "Recent high-profile demonstrations and the
actions of individuals or groups at localised protests have served to
highlight a complex dynamic emerging in London, built around a
potentially volatile mix of issues and increasingly diametrically
opposed religious-political viewpoints."

--

.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 07 Dec 2006 06:38:17 PM
On 7 Dec 2006 13:55:35 -0800,
wrote:
- Refer: <1165528535.300825.86680@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>


English Inquisitor: TEA AND CAKE OR DEATH!?!?!?!?
Inquisitee #1: Umm.... cake please.
English Inquisitor: Right-O.. here you go
English Inquisitor (to Inquisitee #2): TEA AND CAKE OR DEATH!?!??!?!?!
Inquisitee #1: Uhhh... death.... NO NO WAIT! CAKE!
English Inquisitor: But you said death first...
Inquisitee #1: But i didn't really mean it
English Inquisitor: Oh all right..

-- Eddie Izzard

:
The humour is warmly appreciated by me.
I just don't think it would seem quite so funny to the hundreds of
thousands of victims of sexual predation and abuse and very REAL
torture at the hands of the British clergy.
--
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 11 Dec 2006 08:09:25 PM
On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 11:08:17 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On 7 Dec 2006 13:55:35 -0800,

wrote:
- Refer: <1165528535.300825.86680@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>


English Inquisitor: TEA AND CAKE OR DEATH!?!?!?!?
Inquisitee #1: Umm.... cake please.
English Inquisitor: Right-O.. here you go
English Inquisitor (to Inquisitee #2): TEA AND CAKE OR DEATH!?!??!?!?!
Inquisitee #1: Uhhh... death.... NO NO WAIT! CAKE!
English Inquisitor: But you said death first...
Inquisitee #1: But i didn't really mean it
English Inquisitor: Oh all right..

-- Eddie Izzard

:

The humour is warmly appreciated by me.
I just don't think it would seem quite so funny to the hundreds of
thousands of victims of sexual predation and abuse and very REAL
torture at the hands of the British clergy.

Such was "Jesus'" will for them and they're supposed to be grateful.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.



User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 05 Nov 2006 10:03:20 PM
On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 09:59:32 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values
But in some circumstances "the use of defensive force may become a
necessary and legitimate remedy for Christians", it suggests.

IOW, do what we tell you to do or face riots.
I had to look twice to make sure that this wasn't something about the
US.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds
are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her
tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the
existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 06 Nov 2006 04:46:08 AM
On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 23:03:20 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <mtctk21ne2glp0vitb837qmje74ukuaqv2@4ax.com>

On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 09:59:32 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values
But in some circumstances "the use of defensive force may become a
necessary and legitimate remedy for Christians", it suggests.


IOW, do what we tell you to do or face riots.

I didn't expect a British Inquisition!

I had to look twice to make sure that this wasn't something about the
US.

It is the US.
It's your 52nd state.
(After Israel)
--
.
User: "Brian E. Clark"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 06 Nov 2006 08:37:15 PM
In article <kh4uk2holp530juhr6od98r25orn620la7@4ax.com>, Michael
Gray said...

IOW, do what we tell you to do or face riots.


I didn't expect a British Inquisition!

[total silence]
Later, back at their club, the members of the British
Inquisition explain that bursting into a person's home without
proper invitation is very bad form, and simply cannot be
countenanced, heresy or no.
--
-----------
Brian E. Clark
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 12 Nov 2006 03:07:47 PM
On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 21:37:15 -0500, Brian E. Clark
<reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in alt.atheism

In article <kh4uk2holp530juhr6od98r25orn620la7@4ax.com>, Michael
Gray said...

IOW, do what we tell you to do or face riots.


I didn't expect a British Inquisition!


[total silence]

Later, back at their club, the members of the British
Inquisition explain that bursting into a person's home without
proper invitation is very bad form, and simply cannot be
countenanced, heresy or no.

It's extremely forward.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.

User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 07 Nov 2006 01:19:07 AM
On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 21:37:15 -0500, Brian E. Clark
<reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote:
- Refer: <MPG.1fb9bb6151ee46b298a14e@newsgroups.comcast.net>

In article <kh4uk2holp530juhr6od98r25orn620la7@4ax.com>, Michael
Gray said...

IOW, do what we tell you to do or face riots.


I didn't expect a British Inquisition!


[total silence]

Later, back at their club, the members of the British
Inquisition explain that bursting into a person's home without
proper invitation is very bad form, and simply cannot be
countenanced, heresy or no.

"We would all be quite delighted if you could possibly see your way to
confessing about something or other.
There's a good chap!"
--
.




User: "stoney"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 12 Nov 2006 03:06:37 PM
On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 09:59:32 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/05/nrelig05.xml

By Jonathan Wynne-Jones, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 12:13am GMT 05/11/2006

"A leading church group which represents more than a million
Christians has raised the prospect of civil unrest and even "violent
revolution" to protect religious freedoms.

In a startling warning to the Government, senior church and political
figures have backed a report advocating force to protest against
policies that are "unbiblical" and "inimical to the Christian faith".

Christian threats of violence is not news.
[]
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
User: "L. Raymond"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 13 Nov 2006 03:06:58 PM
stoney wrote:

Christian threats of violence is not news.

Following some of the article links at the bottom of the page brought
up that employee at British Airways who was suspended for refusing to
wear her crucifix under her clothes. A quote from one of the articles
is, "Urging other Christians to join her in a mass boycott that would
inflict huge commercial damage on the business, she said BA was guilty
of 'persecuting' an employee on the grounds of her faith." It's
amazing, isn't it, that asking a woman to wear a piece of jewelry under
her blouse is persecution, but threatening the economic existence of a
major company, or threatening an armed uprising because your group's pet
ideologies aren't embraced by the whole world, is a level-headed,
reasonable reaction.
--
L. Raymond
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 16 Nov 2006 11:26:36 AM
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:06:58 -0600, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in alt.atheism

stoney wrote:


Christian threats of violence is not news.


Following some of the article links at the bottom of the page brought
up that employee at British Airways who was suspended for refusing to
wear her crucifix under her clothes. A quote from one of the articles
is, "Urging other Christians to join her in a mass boycott that would
inflict huge commercial damage on the business, she said BA was guilty
of 'persecuting' an employee on the grounds of her faith." It's
amazing, isn't it, that asking a woman to wear a piece of jewelry under
her blouse is persecution, but threatening the economic existence of a
major company, or threatening an armed uprising because your group's pet
ideologies aren't embraced by the whole world, is a level-headed,
reasonable reaction.

Theistic insanity which is promoted as 'reasonable reaction'
is legion. :\
Perhaps BA should seek not to employ rabid theists of whatever stripe as
they are liabilities, not assets.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 16 Nov 2006 03:33:07 PM
On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:26:36 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <3k7pl29sck30e0dg7g9d4bescs32sgcin0@4ax.com>

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:06:58 -0600, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in alt.atheism

stoney wrote:


Christian threats of violence is not news.


Following some of the article links at the bottom of the page brought
up that employee at British Airways who was suspended for refusing to
wear her crucifix under her clothes. A quote from one of the articles
is, "Urging other Christians to join her in a mass boycott that would
inflict huge commercial damage on the business, she said BA was guilty
of 'persecuting' an employee on the grounds of her faith." It's
amazing, isn't it, that asking a woman to wear a piece of jewelry under
her blouse is persecution, but threatening the economic existence of a
major company, or threatening an armed uprising because your group's pet
ideologies aren't embraced by the whole world, is a level-headed,
reasonable reaction.


Theistic insanity which is promoted as 'reasonable reaction'
is legion. :\

Perhaps BA should seek not to employ rabid theists of whatever stripe as
they are liabilities, not assets.

Oh, I dunno.
What harm can it be to employ flight crew who are absolutely manadated
to abandon the controls and radio, and gyrate on the floor for 5
minutes with their eyes closed, several times during the flight?
--
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 19 Nov 2006 03:49:54 PM
On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:03:07 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:26:36 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <3k7pl29sck30e0dg7g9d4bescs32sgcin0@4ax.com>

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:06:58 -0600, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in alt.atheism

stoney wrote:


Christian threats of violence is not news.


Following some of the article links at the bottom of the page brought
up that employee at British Airways who was suspended for refusing to
wear her crucifix under her clothes. A quote from one of the articles
is, "Urging other Christians to join her in a mass boycott that would
inflict huge commercial damage on the business, she said BA was guilty
of 'persecuting' an employee on the grounds of her faith." It's
amazing, isn't it, that asking a woman to wear a piece of jewelry under
her blouse is persecution, but threatening the economic existence of a
major company, or threatening an armed uprising because your group's pet
ideologies aren't embraced by the whole world, is a level-headed,
reasonable reaction.


Theistic insanity which is promoted as 'reasonable reaction'
is legion. :\

Perhaps BA should seek not to employ rabid theists of whatever stripe as
they are liabilities, not assets.


Oh, I dunno.
What harm can it be to employ flight crew who are absolutely manadated
to abandon the controls and radio, and gyrate on the floor for 5
minutes with their eyes closed, several times during the flight?

No harm since their imaginary buddy will protect them-even though the
objective evidence is otherwise.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 20 Nov 2006 01:27:06 AM
On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:49:54 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <qak1m25g58a90ioqnb0s94butlv798fhim@4ax.com>

On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:03:07 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:26:36 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <3k7pl29sck30e0dg7g9d4bescs32sgcin0@4ax.com>

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:06:58 -0600, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in alt.atheism

stoney wrote:


Christian threats of violence is not news.


Following some of the article links at the bottom of the page brought
up that employee at British Airways who was suspended for refusing to
wear her crucifix under her clothes. A quote from one of the articles
is, "Urging other Christians to join her in a mass boycott that would
inflict huge commercial damage on the business, she said BA was guilty
of 'persecuting' an employee on the grounds of her faith." It's
amazing, isn't it, that asking a woman to wear a piece of jewelry under
her blouse is persecution, but threatening the economic existence of a
major company, or threatening an armed uprising because your group's pet
ideologies aren't embraced by the whole world, is a level-headed,
reasonable reaction.


Theistic insanity which is promoted as 'reasonable reaction'
is legion. :\

Perhaps BA should seek not to employ rabid theists of whatever stripe as
they are liabilities, not assets.


Oh, I dunno.
What harm can it be to employ flight crew who are absolutely manadated
to abandon the controls and radio, and gyrate on the floor for 5
minutes with their eyes closed, several times during the flight?


No harm since their imaginary buddy will protect them-even though the
objective evidence is otherwise.

<Fundie mode>
*What* evidense, athiets??
--
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 25 Nov 2006 05:38:07 PM
On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:57:06 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:49:54 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <qak1m25g58a90ioqnb0s94butlv798fhim@4ax.com>

On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:03:07 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:26:36 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <3k7pl29sck30e0dg7g9d4bescs32sgcin0@4ax.com>

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:06:58 -0600, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in alt.atheism

stoney wrote:


Christian threats of violence is not news.


Following some of the article links at the bottom of the page brought
up that employee at British Airways who was suspended for refusing to
wear her crucifix under her clothes. A quote from one of the articles
is, "Urging other Christians to join her in a mass boycott that would
inflict huge commercial damage on the business, she said BA was guilty
of 'persecuting' an employee on the grounds of her faith." It's
amazing, isn't it, that asking a woman to wear a piece of jewelry under
her blouse is persecution, but threatening the economic existence of a
major company, or threatening an armed uprising because your group's pet
ideologies aren't embraced by the whole world, is a level-headed,
reasonable reaction.


Theistic insanity which is promoted as 'reasonable reaction'
is legion. :\

Perhaps BA should seek not to employ rabid theists of whatever stripe as
they are liabilities, not assets.


Oh, I dunno.
What harm can it be to employ flight crew who are absolutely manadated
to abandon the controls and radio, and gyrate on the floor for 5
minutes with their eyes closed, several times during the flight?


No harm since their imaginary buddy will protect them-even though the
objective evidence is otherwise.


<Fundie mode>
*What* evidense, athiets??

Thank you for supporting my point so nicely..... ;)
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.





User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 13 Nov 2006 06:38:12 PM
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:06:58 -0600, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1f5a55imj6zbh.1p3qmxyvzhi9n$.dlg@40tude.net>

stoney wrote:


Christian threats of violence is not news.


Following some of the article links at the bottom of the page brought
up that employee at British Airways who was suspended for refusing to
wear her crucifix under her clothes. A quote from one of the articles
is, "Urging other Christians to join her in a mass boycott that would
inflict huge commercial damage on the business, she said BA was guilty
of 'persecuting' an employee on the grounds of her faith." It's
amazing, isn't it, that asking a woman to wear a piece of jewelry under
her blouse is persecution, but threatening the economic existence of a
major company, or threatening an armed uprising because your group's pet
ideologies aren't embraced by the whole world, is a level-headed,
reasonable reaction.

That edict would have been for occ. health and safety reasons.
No loose jewelery is allowed in emergency situations.
Once again, the Xtians cry wolf.
--
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 14 Nov 2006 05:30:05 PM
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:08:12 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:06:58 -0600, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1f5a55imj6zbh.1p3qmxyvzhi9n$.dlg@40tude.net>

stoney wrote:


Christian threats of violence is not news.


Following some of the article links at the bottom of the page brought
up that employee at British Airways who was suspended for refusing to
wear her crucifix under her clothes. A quote from one of the articles
is, "Urging other Christians to join her in a mass boycott that would
inflict huge commercial damage on the business, she said BA was guilty
of 'persecuting' an employee on the grounds of her faith." It's
amazing, isn't it, that asking a woman to wear a piece of jewelry under
her blouse is persecution, but threatening the economic existence of a
major company, or threatening an armed uprising because your group's pet
ideologies aren't embraced by the whole world, is a level-headed,
reasonable reaction.


That edict would have been for occ. health and safety reasons.
No loose jewelery is allowed in emergency situations.
Once again, the Xtians cry wolf.

Is that true? If a woman comes to work with a little pearl hanging on
a chain around her neck, will she be required to put it inside her
clothing? If so, fine. If not, persecution.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is
a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the
crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due
to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious
indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility
corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of
nature and of our own being."
- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr., Sept. 28, 1949, from article by
Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2, 1997
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 14 Nov 2006 06:41:56 PM
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:30:05 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <09kkl2tpu9aqieorjehniqdvpob3o9g4sv@4ax.com>

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:08:12 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:06:58 -0600, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1f5a55imj6zbh.1p3qmxyvzhi9n$.dlg@40tude.net>

stoney wrote:


Christian threats of violence is not news.


Following some of the article links at the bottom of the page brought
up that employee at British Airways who was suspended for refusing to
wear her crucifix under her clothes. A quote from one of the articles
is, "Urging other Christians to join her in a mass boycott that would
inflict huge commercial damage on the business, she said BA was guilty
of 'persecuting' an employee on the grounds of her faith." It's
amazing, isn't it, that asking a woman to wear a piece of jewelry under
her blouse is persecution, but threatening the economic existence of a
major company, or threatening an armed uprising because your group's pet
ideologies aren't embraced by the whole world, is a level-headed,
reasonable reaction.


That edict would have been for occ. health and safety reasons.
No loose jewelery is allowed in emergency situations.
Once again, the Xtians cry wolf.


Is that true? If a woman comes to work with a little pearl hanging on
a chain around her neck, will she be required to put it inside her
clothing? If so, fine. If not, persecution.

That is the rule in every industry that I have worked in where human
safety in potential physical emergencies is an issue.
I am *assuming* that it would have to be the case here, although I am
saying that without positive confirmation.
I could go out of my way to investigate, but can't justify the extra
workload at the moment.
When next I meet with a qualified person, I shall see if I remember to
ask them.
Any loose jewelery that can catch on projections during an emergency
evacuation would *have* to be banned!
If not, find out what airline does not prohibit this dangerous
situation, and I will make a large note to NEVER fly with them.
--
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 14 Nov 2006 09:46:04 PM
On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:11:56 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:30:05 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <09kkl2tpu9aqieorjehniqdvpob3o9g4sv@4ax.com>

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:08:12 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:06:58 -0600, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1f5a55imj6zbh.1p3qmxyvzhi9n$.dlg@40tude.net>

stoney wrote:


Christian threats of violence is not news.


Following some of the article links at the bottom of the page brought
up that employee at British Airways who was suspended for refusing to
wear her crucifix under her clothes. A quote from one of the articles
is, "Urging other Christians to join her in a mass boycott that would
inflict huge commercial damage on the business, she said BA was guilty
of 'persecuting' an employee on the grounds of her faith." It's
amazing, isn't it, that asking a woman to wear a piece of jewelry under
her blouse is persecution, but threatening the economic existence of a
major company, or threatening an armed uprising because your group's pet
ideologies aren't embraced by the whole world, is a level-headed,
reasonable reaction.


That edict would have been for occ. health and safety reasons.
No loose jewelery is allowed in emergency situations.
Once again, the Xtians cry wolf.


Is that true? If a woman comes to work with a little pearl hanging on
a chain around her neck, will she be required to put it inside her
clothing? If so, fine. If not, persecution.


That is the rule in every industry that I have worked in where human
safety in potential physical emergencies is an issue.
I am *assuming* that it would have to be the case here, although I am
saying that without positive confirmation.
I could go out of my way to investigate, but can't justify the extra
workload at the moment.
When next I meet with a qualified person, I shall see if I remember to
ask them.
Any loose jewelery that can catch on projections during an emergency
evacuation would *have* to be banned!
If not, find out what airline does not prohibit this dangerous
situation, and I will make a large note to NEVER fly with them.

This situation is regarding an "employee at British Airways who was
suspended for refusing to wear her crucifix under her clothes". I
didn't see any reference to whether she was a flight attendant or a
secretary in a ground office.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit
priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies
about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and
have always been an atheist."
- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr, July 2, 1945,
responding to a rumor that a Jesuit priest had caused Einstein
to convert from atheism. Article by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic
magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2, 1997
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 15 Nov 2006 01:57:42 AM
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:46:04 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <993ll25g2n7071ug4l9fca56c0hggbclp6@4ax.com>

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:11:56 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:30:05 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <09kkl2tpu9aqieorjehniqdvpob3o9g4sv@4ax.com>

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:08:12 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:06:58 -0600, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1f5a55imj6zbh.1p3qmxyvzhi9n$.dlg@40tude.net>

stoney wrote:


Christian threats of violence is not news.


Following some of the article links at the bottom of the page brought
up that employee at British Airways who was suspended for refusing to
wear her crucifix under her clothes. A quote from one of the articles
is, "Urging other Christians to join her in a mass boycott that would
inflict huge commercial damage on the business, she said BA was guilty
of 'persecuting' an employee on the grounds of her faith." It's
amazing, isn't it, that asking a woman to wear a piece of jewelry under
her blouse is persecution, but threatening the economic existence of a
major company, or threatening an armed uprising because your group's pet
ideologies aren't embraced by the whole world, is a level-headed,
reasonable reaction.


That edict would have been for occ. health and safety reasons.
No loose jewelery is allowed in emergency situations.
Once again, the Xtians cry wolf.


Is that true? If a woman comes to work with a little pearl hanging on
a chain around her neck, will she be required to put it inside her
clothing? If so, fine. If not, persecution.


That is the rule in every industry that I have worked in where human
safety in potential physical emergencies is an issue.
I am *assuming* that it would have to be the case here, although I am
saying that without positive confirmation.
I could go out of my way to investigate, but can't justify the extra
workload at the moment.
When next I meet with a qualified person, I shall see if I remember to
ask them.
Any loose jewelery that can catch on projections during an emergency
evacuation would *have* to be banned!
If not, find out what airline does not prohibit this dangerous
situation, and I will make a large note to NEVER fly with them.


This situation is regarding an "employee at British Airways who was
suspended for refusing to wear her crucifix under her clothes". I
didn't see any reference to whether she was a flight attendant or a
secretary in a ground office.

Then it might well be a form of silly discrimination.
Although I fail to the attraction in the wearing of a miniature
execution machine.
--
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 16 Nov 2006 11:28:20 AM
On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:27:42 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:46:04 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <993ll25g2n7071ug4l9fca56c0hggbclp6@4ax.com>

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:11:56 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:30:05 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <09kkl2tpu9aqieorjehniqdvpob3o9g4sv@4ax.com>

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:08:12 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:06:58 -0600, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1f5a55imj6zbh.1p3qmxyvzhi9n$.dlg@40tude.net>

stoney wrote:


Christian threats of violence is not news.


Following some of the article links at the bottom of the page brought
up that employee at British Airways who was suspended for refusing to
wear her crucifix under her clothes. A quote from one of the articles
is, "Urging other Christians to join her in a mass boycott that would
inflict huge commercial damage on the business, she said BA was guilty
of 'persecuting' an employee on the grounds of her faith." It's
amazing, isn't it, that asking a woman to wear a piece of jewelry under
her blouse is persecution, but threatening the economic existence of a
major company, or threatening an armed uprising because your group's pet
ideologies aren't embraced by the whole world, is a level-headed,
reasonable reaction.


That edict would have been for occ. health and safety reasons.
No loose jewelery is allowed in emergency situations.
Once again, the Xtians cry wolf.


Is that true? If a woman comes to work with a little pearl hanging on
a chain around her neck, will she be required to put it inside her
clothing? If so, fine. If not, persecution.


That is the rule in every industry that I have worked in where human
safety in potential physical emergencies is an issue.
I am *assuming* that it would have to be the case here, although I am
saying that without positive confirmation.
I could go out of my way to investigate, but can't justify the extra
workload at the moment.
When next I meet with a qualified person, I shall see if I remember to
ask them.
Any loose jewelery that can catch on projections during an emergency
evacuation would *have* to be banned!
If not, find out what airline does not prohibit this dangerous
situation, and I will make a large note to NEVER fly with them.


This situation is regarding an "employee at British Airways who was
suspended for refusing to wear her crucifix under her clothes". I
didn't see any reference to whether she was a flight attendant or a
secretary in a ground office.


Then it might well be a form of silly discrimination.
Although I fail to the attraction in the wearing of a miniature
execution machine.

She's unconsciously asking to get nailed?
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 16 Nov 2006 03:29:49 PM
On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:28:20 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <3t7pl2dpuc6u00q072qbho2m6kfhu616t7@4ax.com>

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:27:42 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:46:04 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <993ll25g2n7071ug4l9fca56c0hggbclp6@4ax.com>

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:11:56 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:30:05 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <09kkl2tpu9aqieorjehniqdvpob3o9g4sv@4ax.com>

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:08:12 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:06:58 -0600, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1f5a55imj6zbh.1p3qmxyvzhi9n$.dlg@40tude.net>

stoney wrote:


Christian threats of violence is not news.


Following some of the article links at the bottom of the page brought
up that employee at British Airways who was suspended for refusing to
wear her crucifix under her clothes. A quote from one of the articles
is, "Urging other Christians to join her in a mass boycott that would
inflict huge commercial damage on the business, she said BA was guilty
of 'persecuting' an employee on the grounds of her faith." It's
amazing, isn't it, that asking a woman to wear a piece of jewelry under
her blouse is persecution, but threatening the economic existence of a
major company, or threatening an armed uprising because your group's pet
ideologies aren't embraced by the whole world, is a level-headed,
reasonable reaction.


That edict would have been for occ. health and safety reasons.
No loose jewelery is allowed in emergency situations.
Once again, the Xtians cry wolf.


Is that true? If a woman comes to work with a little pearl hanging on
a chain around her neck, will she be required to put it inside her
clothing? If so, fine. If not, persecution.


That is the rule in every industry that I have worked in where human
safety in potential physical emergencies is an issue.
I am *assuming* that it would have to be the case here, although I am
saying that without positive confirmation.
I could go out of my way to investigate, but can't justify the extra
workload at the moment.
When next I meet with a qualified person, I shall see if I remember to
ask them.
Any loose jewelery that can catch on projections during an emergency
evacuation would *have* to be banned!
If not, find out what airline does not prohibit this dangerous
situation, and I will make a large note to NEVER fly with them.


This situation is regarding an "employee at British Airways who was
suspended for refusing to wear her crucifix under her clothes". I
didn't see any reference to whether she was a flight attendant or a
secretary in a ground office.


Then it might well be a form of silly discrimination.
Although I fail to the attraction in the wearing of a miniature
execution machine.


She's unconsciously asking to get nailed?

By a poofta who is 2,000 years past it?
--
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 19 Nov 2006 03:47:51 PM
On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:59:49 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:28:20 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <3t7pl2dpuc6u00q072qbho2m6kfhu616t7@4ax.com>

[]

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:06:58 -0600, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1f5a55imj6zbh.1p3qmxyvzhi9n$.dlg@40tude.net>

stoney wrote:


Christian threats of violence is not news.


Following some of the article links at the bottom of the page brought
up that employee at British Airways who was suspended for refusing to
wear her crucifix under her clothes. A quote from one of the articles
is, "Urging other Christians to join her in a mass boycott that would
inflict huge commercial damage on the business, she said BA was guilty
of 'persecuting' an employee on the grounds of her faith." It's
amazing, isn't it, that asking a woman to wear a piece of jewelry under
her blouse is persecution, but threatening the economic existence of a
major company, or threatening an armed uprising because your group's pet
ideologies aren't embraced by the whole world, is a level-headed,
reasonable reaction.


That edict would have been for occ. health and safety reasons.
No loose jewelery is allowed in emergency situations.
Once again, the Xtians cry wolf.


Is that true? If a woman comes to work with a little pearl hanging on
a chain around her neck, will she be required to put it inside her
clothing? If so, fine. If not, persecution.


That is the rule in every industry that I have worked in where human
safety in potential physical emergencies is an issue.
I am *assuming* that it would have to be the case here, although I am
saying that without positive confirmation.
I could go out of my way to investigate, but can't justify the extra
workload at the moment.
When next I meet with a qualified person, I shall see if I remember to
ask them.
Any loose jewelery that can catch on projections during an emergency
evacuation would *have* to be banned!
If not, find out what airline does not prohibit this dangerous
situation, and I will make a large note to NEVER fly with them.


This situation is regarding an "employee at British Airways who was
suspended for refusing to wear her crucifix under her clothes". I
didn't see any reference to whether she was a flight attendant or a
secretary in a ground office.


Then it might well be a form of silly discrimination.
Although I fail to the attraction in the wearing of a miniature
execution machine.


She's unconsciously asking to get nailed?


By a poofta who is 2,000 years past it?

She's got Faith.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 20 Nov 2006 01:24:39 AM
On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:47:51 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <a7k1m25r7q1n3939fdeg7hvja1217eaii6@4ax.com>

On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:59:49 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:28:20 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <3t7pl2dpuc6u00q072qbho2m6kfhu616t7@4ax.com>


[]

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:06:58 -0600, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1f5a55imj6zbh.1p3qmxyvzhi9n$.dlg@40tude.net>

stoney wrote:


Christian threats of violence is not news.


Following some of the article links at the bottom of the page brought
up that employee at British Airways who was suspended for refusing to
wear her crucifix under her clothes. A quote from one of the articles
is, "Urging other Christians to join her in a mass boycott that would
inflict huge commercial damage on the business, she said BA was guilty
of 'persecuting' an employee on the grounds of her faith." It's
amazing, isn't it, that asking a woman to wear a piece of jewelry under
her blouse is persecution, but threatening the economic existence of a
major company, or threatening an armed uprising because your group's pet
ideologies aren't embraced by the whole world, is a level-headed,
reasonable reaction.


That edict would have been for occ. health and safety reasons.
No loose jewelery is allowed in emergency situations.
Once again, the Xtians cry wolf.


Is that true? If a woman comes to work with a little pearl hanging on
a chain around her neck, will she be required to put it inside her
clothing? If so, fine. If not, persecution.


That is the rule in every industry that I have worked in where human
safety in potential physical emergencies is an issue.
I am *assuming* that it would have to be the case here, although I am
saying that without positive confirmation.
I could go out of my way to investigate, but can't justify the extra
workload at the moment.
When next I meet with a qualified person, I shall see if I remember to
ask them.
Any loose jewelery that can catch on projections during an emergency
evacuation would *have* to be banned!
If not, find out what airline does not prohibit this dangerous
situation, and I will make a large note to NEVER fly with them.


This situation is regarding an "employee at British Airways who was
suspended for refusing to wear her crucifix under her clothes". I
didn't see any reference to whether she was a flight attendant or a
secretary in a ground office.


Then it might well be a form of silly discrimination.
Although I fail to the attraction in the wearing of a miniature
execution machine.


She's unconsciously asking to get nailed?


By a poofta who is 2,000 years past it?


She's got Faith.

Lesbian, huh?
--
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 25 Nov 2006 05:36:31 PM
On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:54:39 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:47:51 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <a7k1m25r7q1n3939fdeg7hvja1217eaii6@4ax.com>

On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:59:49 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:28:20 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <3t7pl2dpuc6u00q072qbho2m6kfhu616t7@4ax.com>


[]

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:06:58 -0600, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1f5a55imj6zbh.1p3qmxyvzhi9n$.dlg@40tude.net>

stoney wrote:


Christian threats of violence is not news.


Following some of the article links at the bottom of the page brought
up that employee at British Airways who was suspended for refusing to
wear her crucifix under her clothes. A quote from one of the articles
is, "Urging other Christians to join her in a mass boycott that would
inflict huge commercial damage on the business, she said BA was guilty
of 'persecuting' an employee on the grounds of her faith." It's
amazing, isn't it, that asking a woman to wear a piece of jewelry under
her blouse is persecution, but threatening the economic existence of a
major company, or threatening an armed uprising because your group's pet
ideologies aren't embraced by the whole world, is a level-headed,
reasonable reaction.


That edict would have been for occ. health and safety reasons.
No loose jewelery is allowed in emergency situations.
Once again, the Xtians cry wolf.


Is that true? If a woman comes to work with a little pearl hanging on
a chain around her neck, will she be required to put it inside her
clothing? If so, fine. If not, persecution.


That is the rule in every industry that I have worked in where human
safety in potential physical emergencies is an issue.
I am *assuming* that it would have to be the case here, although I am
saying that without positive confirmation.
I could go out of my way to investigate, but can't justify the extra
workload at the moment.
When next I meet with a qualified person, I shall see if I remember to
ask them.
Any loose jewelery that can catch on projections during an emergency
evacuation would *have* to be banned!
If not, find out what airline does not prohibit this dangerous
situation, and I will make a large note to NEVER fly with them.


This situation is regarding an "employee at British Airways who was
suspended for refusing to wear her crucifix under her clothes". I
didn't see any reference to whether she was a flight attendant or a
secretary in a ground office.


Then it might well be a form of silly discrimination.
Although I fail to the attraction in the wearing of a miniature
execution machine.


She's unconsciously asking to get nailed?


By a poofta who is 2,000 years past it?


She's got Faith.


Lesbian, huh?

Nah, she's got an addiction to eating clams.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 02 Jan 2007 01:29:07 AM
On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:36:31 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <5rkhm2danjfjsani4s4dhu1uvf4rfkf9s1@4ax.com>

On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:54:39 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:47:51 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <a7k1m25r7q1n3939fdeg7hvja1217eaii6@4ax.com>

On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:59:49 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:28:20 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <3t7pl2dpuc6u00q072qbho2m6kfhu616t7@4ax.com>


[]

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:06:58 -0600, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1f5a55imj6zbh.1p3qmxyvzhi9n$.dlg@40tude.net>

stoney wrote:


Christian threats of violence is not news.


Following some of the article links at the bottom of the page brought
up that employee at British Airways who was suspended for refusing to
wear her crucifix under her clothes. A quote from one of the articles
is, "Urging other Christians to join her in a mass boycott that would
inflict huge commercial damage on the business, she said BA was guilty
of 'persecuting' an employee on the grounds of her faith." It's
amazing, isn't it, that asking a woman to wear a piece of jewelry under
her blouse is persecution, but threatening the economic existence of a
major company, or threatening an armed uprising because your group's pet
ideologies aren't embraced by the whole world, is a level-headed,
reasonable reaction.


That edict would have been for occ. health and safety reasons.
No loose jewelery is allowed in emergency situations.
Once again, the Xtians cry wolf.


Is that true? If a woman comes to work with a little pearl hanging on
a chain around her neck, will she be required to put it inside her
clothing? If so, fine. If not, persecution.


That is the rule in every industry that I have worked in where human
safety in potential physical emergencies is an issue.
I am *assuming* that it would have to be the case here, although I am
saying that without positive confirmation.
I could go out of my way to investigate, but can't justify the extra
workload at the moment.
When next I meet with a qualified person, I shall see if I remember to
ask them.
Any loose jewelery that can catch on projections during an emergency
evacuation would *have* to be banned!
If not, find out what airline does not prohibit this dangerous
situation, and I will make a large note to NEVER fly with them.


This situation is regarding an "employee at British Airways who was
suspended for refusing to wear her crucifix under her clothes". I
didn't see any reference to whether she was a flight attendant or a
secretary in a ground office.


Then it might well be a form of silly discrimination.
Although I fail to the attraction in the wearing of a miniature
execution machine.


She's unconsciously asking to get nailed?


By a poofta who is 2,000 years past it?


She's got Faith.


Lesbian, huh?


Nah, she's got an addiction to eating clams.

I bet that makes Faith quite happy.
--
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 06 Jan 2007 04:06:23 PM
On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 17:59:07 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:36:31 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <5rkhm2danjfjsani4s4dhu1uvf4rfkf9s1@4ax.com>

On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:54:39 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

[]

This situation is regarding an "employee at British Airways who was
suspended for refusing to wear her crucifix under her clothes". I
didn't see any reference to whether she was a flight attendant or a
secretary in a ground office.


Then it might well be a form of silly discrimination.
Although I fail to the attraction in the wearing of a miniature
execution machine.


She's unconsciously asking to get nailed?


By a poofta who is 2,000 years past it?


She's got Faith.


Lesbian, huh?


Nah, she's got an addiction to eating clams.


I bet that makes Faith quite happy.

What about the 'red tide?'
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 06 Jan 2007 05:10:21 PM
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 14:06:23 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <c970q2902io3cq541nn69dtjko3gu1a38h@4ax.com>

On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 17:59:07 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:36:31 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <5rkhm2danjfjsani4s4dhu1uvf4rfkf9s1@4ax.com>

On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:54:39 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism


[]

This situation is regarding an "employee at British Airways who was
suspended for refusing to wear her crucifix under her clothes". I
didn't see any reference to whether she was a flight attendant or a
secretary in a ground office.


Then it might well be a form of silly discrimination.
Although I fail to the attraction in the wearing of a miniature
execution machine.


She's unconsciously asking to get nailed?


By a poofta who is 2,000 years past it?


She's got Faith.


Lesbian, huh?


Nah, she's got an addiction to eating clams.


I bet that makes Faith quite happy.


What about the 'red tide?'

Algae be damned!
--
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 11 Jan 2007 02:55:02 PM
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 09:40:21 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 14:06:23 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <c970q2902io3cq541nn69dtjko3gu1a38h@4ax.com>

On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 17:59:07 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:36:31 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <5rkhm2danjfjsani4s4dhu1uvf4rfkf9s1@4ax.com>

On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:54:39 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism


[]

This situation is regarding an "employee at British Airways who was
suspended for refusing to wear her crucifix under her clothes". I
didn't see any reference to whether she was a flight attendant or a
secretary in a ground office.


Then it might well be a form of silly discrimination.
Although I fail to the attraction in the wearing of a miniature
execution machine.


She's unconsciously asking to get nailed?


By a poofta who is 2,000 years past it?


She's got Faith.


Lesbian, huh?


Nah, she's got an addiction to eating clams.


I bet that makes Faith quite happy.


What about the 'red tide?'


Algae be damned!

Do fast laps!
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: News: Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values (again) 11 Jan 2007 03:17:16 PM
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:55:02 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <n09dq29kjcp4lpn4nfhomajmukkfn0bgck@4ax.com>

On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 09:40:21 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 14:06:23 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <c970q2902io3cq541nn69dtjko3gu1a38h@4ax.com>

On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 17:59:07 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:36:31 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <5rkhm2danjfjsani4s4dhu1uvf4rfkf9s1@4ax.com>

On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:54:39 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism


[]

This situation is regarding an "employee at British Airways who was
suspended for refusing to wear her crucifix under her clothes". I
didn't see any reference to whether she was a flight attendant or a
secretary in a ground office.


Then it might well be a form of silly discrimination.
Although I fail to the attraction in the wearing of a miniature
execution machine.


She's unconsciously asking to get nailed?


By a poofta who is 2,000 years past it?


She's got Faith.


Lesbian, huh?


Nah, she's got an addiction to eating clams.


I bet that makes Faith quite happy.


What about the 'red tide?'


Algae be damned!


Do fast laps!

Mmmm... Drool... Lap Dancers..
--
.


















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