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NEWSFLASH: American Military has had its ***** kicked in Iraq |
Not bad for a few thousand Sunni insurgents who have killed close to
2300 American troops and wounded around 17000 others. All this against
the supposedly "best" military in the world.
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From Superpower to Tinhorn Dictatorship
by Paul Craig Roberts
America is headed for a soft dictatorship by the end of Bush's second
term. Whether any American has civil rights will be decided by the
discretionary power of federal officials. The public in general will
tolerate the soft dictatorship as its discretionary powers will mainly
be felt by those few who challenge it.
The congressional elections this coming November are the last chance
for for Americans to reaffirm the separation of powers that is the
basis of their civil liberties. Unless the voters correct their mistake
of putting both the executive and legislative branches in the hands of
the same party and deliver the House or the Senate to the Democrats,
there is nothing on the domestic scene to stand in the way of more
power, and less accountability, being accumulated in the executive.
The Democrats have been a totally ineffective opposition and might not
inspire any voter response other than apathy. Rather than vote for a
cowardly party that is afraid to defend the Constitution, voters might
simply not vote at all.
In this unfortunate event, the only check on the Bush regime is its own
hubris.
Bush's ill-fated invasion of Iraq has set in motion forces beyond his
control. On February 23 the Asia Times reported that America's
Pakistani puppet, Musharraf, is "losing his grip." Some Pakistani
provinces are already beyond Musharraf's control, and the remainder
are rioting against "Busharraf" as Musharraf is now known. The
infantile American press misrepresents the riots as responses to the
Danish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammed, but in fact the target of the
riots is the American puppet.
By invading Afghanistan and Iraq and by threatening Syria and Iran,
Bush has taught Muslims everywhere that they owe their humiliation to
the Western controlled secular governments that suppress their
aspirations. They are realizing that their power resides in Islam and
that this power is suppressed by secular governments. Busharraf is
probably dead meat, and when he goes so does the US military adventure
in Afghanistan.
When Bush attacks Iran, the US army will be caught between the Iraqi
Shia and the Iranian Shia and will be decimated in fourth generation
conflict, so aptly described by William S. Lind. If a few thousand
Sunni insurgents can tie down 10 US divisions, imagine the fate of US
forces trapped in a Shia crescent.
The collapsing power of the US hegemon is everywhere evident. It is
evident in the inability to successfully occupy Iraq or even Baghdad.
It is evident in the growing military cooperation between North and
South Korea, and it is evident it the revolt in the Indian government
against Prime Minister Singh's nuclear agreement with the US. Indians
say this agreement subjects India to US hegemony and represents
America's attempt to block India's pioneering research on thorium
as a nuclear fuel. Opposition parties have told Singh that if he signs
the agreement, they will bring down his government.
The entire world now recognizes that America has lost its economic
power and is dependent on the rest of the world to finance its budget
and trade deficits. The US no longer holds the cards. American real
incomes are falling, except for the rich. Jobs for university graduates
are scarce, and advanced technology products must be imported from
China. The US is a rapidly declining power and may soon end up as
nothing but a tinhorn dictatorship.
February 27, 2006
Dr. Roberts [send him mail] is Chairman of the Institute for Political
Economy and Research Fellow at the Independent Institute. He is a
former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal, former contributing
editor for National Review, and a former assistant secretary of the
U=2ES. Treasury. He is the co-author of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.
Copyright =A9 2006 LewRockwell.com
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01 Mar 2006 07:18:51 AM |
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<conners_3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Not bad for a few thousand Sunni insurgents who have killed close to
2300 American troops and wounded around 17000 others. All this against
the supposedly "best" military in the world.
Best military in the world??????? You must be bloody joking, they are
certainly the most powerful, but they are not the best, not the most
professional , they dont even figure in the top ten . They have one decent
professional unit under their flag and thats the Rangers
In 1812 the yanks thought they could gain a second victory over the British
and invaded Canada, But this time the British had just defeated Napoleons
French army, and were in a position to give the Americans their full
attention, In reply to the Americans invading Canada the British drove the
US forces back across the border, captured the cities of Dearborn, Detroit,
Mackinaw, Benedict, and finally routed the yanks at Bladensburg, from here
the Brits then captured the American capital of Washington, Chased the US
president in person on his horse to Virginia, Captured the Whitehouse and
had dinner there before burning it down along with the navy yard and the
library of congress before the Brits withdrew without meeting any American
resistance.
Let us not forget the Mai Li massacre in Vietnam where the brave and noble
American troops massacred an entire village of men, women, children and
babies.
In GW1 the USAF attacked two British Warrior APCs in error killing and
injuring
up to 16 Brit troops.
In Afghanistan US forces attacked and killed a detachment of Canadian
troops in error who were training in a safe area.
In the Mediterranean the US mistook an Airbus full of pilgrims flying an
accepted flight path to Mecca for a Libyan fighter and shot it down.
In Iraq the US bombed a civilian air raid shelter killing over 300 women
and
kids.
In Yugoslavia the US attacked the Chinese embassy in error killing many
diplomats.
In Italy the USAF knocked down a ski lift killing many civilians.
In South America the US intelligence agencies told the Colombian Air force
that a plane passing through their airspace was a drug smuggler, so they
shot it down only to find out it was carrying Christian missionaries.
In Iraq The US is only second to the insurgents in killing innocent
journalists, killing about 20 so far.
In Iraq the US killed the Italian secret service agent and wounded the
newly
freed Italian hostage as she was being transported to the airport.
In Iraq the US shot down a RAF Tornado GR4 plane flying in formation after
attacking Iraqi positions, they were squawking accurate IFF transponders,
flying along the accepted return flight path at the correct altitude and
time when shot down by a US patriot missile.
In Afghanistan the USAF attacked a house with a fighter bomber in an effort
to kill one wanted person, but they missed and hit a school sited next door
killing many children.
In Afghanistan the USAF attacked with fighter bombers a wedding party
killing most of the guests.
In Iraq the US attacked a convoy of cars and trucks killing many on board
only to find out they were allied locals responding to a summons by US
forces to attend a meeting.
In Iraq a family of 5 including three children were machined gunned by the
yanks, their crime??, daring to drive along a road in their own country en
route to a family gathering.
In Iraq in an effort to capture or kill 200 insurgents the US laid siege to
the city of Falujah, in the battle that followed the city was almost
entirely destroyed and thousands of civilians killed in the air and
artillery bombardment, The bulk of the insurgents plus their leader escaped
( naturally).
During WW2 following a massive naval bombardment 35, 000 US troops
stormed ashore at Kiska. 21 troops were killed in the fire fight. It
would have been worse if there had been any Japanese on the island.
We try not to embarrass the yanks to much about their total humiliation in
Vietnam, Somalia, and Iran or how they managed to drown an entire SEAL team
when they wanted to invade Grenada. Or how an aged arab farmer armed only
with a vintage WW2 bolt action rifle shot down an apache helicopter.
Xmas 2005 A woman who emigrated to the US has been killed by a stray
bullet shot threw her apartment window.
Selina Akther was shot in the head and died instantly at the window of her
fifth-floor apartment in the Queens borough of New York.
Police arrested a US soldier who they said was on leave and had been
drinking when he fired shots into the air.
The US military has apologised for dropping a bomb on the wrong house in
Iraq, killing between five and 13 people.
A spokesman said it dropped the 500lb laser-guided bomb after mistaking it
for a nearby insurgent hideout.
He said the military "deeply regrets the loss of possibly innocent lives".
The bomb destroyed a villa in the village of Aaytha near the city of Mosul.
Locals said 13 people were killed including four women and three children,
while the US military said its reports were that five Iraqis had died.
It is understood the dead are all from the same family.
In May, a US air strike near Qaim, a town on the border with Syria, killed
around 40 people.
Locals claimed that the strike hit a wedding party, while the Americans said
the house was a gathering point for "terrorists".
The US military bombed suspected insurgent targets in the former rebel
stronghold of Fallujah from June until its November offensive
to reclaim the city from insurgents.
US commanders acknowledged that their air campaign in Fallujah claimed the
lives of some innocent civilians.
Soldier Faces Execution
A US soldier has been sentenced to death for a grenade and gun attack that
killed two of his own colleagues during the Iraq war.
The 15-person military jury took seven hours to decide that Sgt Hasan Akbar
should be executed - jurors could have sentenced him to life in prison.
Akbar, 34, threw grenades into tents housing troops from the 101st Airborne
Division in Kuwait and then fired at soldiers as they ran to escape the
blasts.
US Soldier Pleads Guilty
Updated: 22:12, Monday May 02, 2005
An American soldier accused of abusing Iraqis at the Abu Ghraib prison has
pleaded guilty at a court-martial in Texas.
Private Lynndie England was infamously photographed holding a leash attached
to the neck of a naked Iraqi inmate.
The 22-year-old mother is one of seven junior soldiers who were charged with
mistreating captives at the Baghdad prison in 2003.
She has pleaded guilty to seven of the nine charges and has asked to be
sentenced by a special military panel.
Jail For Abu Ghraib Abuser
Updated: 16:06, Saturday February 05, 2005
A US soldier who admitted stepping on the hands and feet of handcuffed
detainees in the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq has been sentenced to six months
in jail.
Sergeant Javal Davis was also given a dishonourable discharge.
Other guards later stripped the seven hooded prisoners and stacked them into
a naked human pyramid.
Soldier Guilty Of Murder
Updated: 08:44, Saturday January 15, 2005
An American soldier has been sentenced to just one year in jail for the
murder of a severly wounded Iraqi teenager.
He shot the severely wounded teenager in a Baghdad slum district last year.
The US military said: "Staff Sergeant Cardenas Alban was convicted on one
count of murder and one count of conspiracy to murder."
The court martial took place at the 1st Cavalry Division courthouse at Camp
Liberty.
Besides his jail term, he has been sentenced to a reduction in rank to
private and a bad-conduct discharge.
'Bodies For Porn' Probe
Updated: 14:11, Wednesday September 28, 2005
The Pentagon is investigating claims American soldiers posted pictures of
dead Iraqis on the internet in return for access to pornography.
A message board appears to show American soldiers laughing and joking beside
Iraqi corpses.
It is alleged the soldiers who posted the pictures were then allowed to view
pornographic pictures.
The owner of the website said he had offered soldiers free access to the
pornography if they could prove they were members of the American military.
Some soldiers had sent in pictures of Iraqi landmarks while others had sent
in pictures of corpses.
Jan 06
US sailor held over Japan death A US sailor in Japan is being held on
suspicion of involvement in a local woman's death, the US Navy has said.
The sailor is being held in US custody near where the incident took place,
in Yokosuka - where the USS Kitty Hawk aircraft carrier is based.
Yoshie Sato died on Tuesday, after being found beaten and unconscious.
Incidents involving US troops and local Japanese are particularly sensitive
because of a 1995 case when three US servicemen raped a schoolgirl.
14 Jan 2006 US aircraft attack a village in friendly allied nation Pakistan,
killing 18 people including many women and children, they claimed they were
seeking the second in command of Al Quaeda, but that is still not good
reason to invade the airspace of an allied nation and bomb one of its
villages, naturally the target the yanks were hunting was not killed in the
attack
US officer guilty of Iraqi death A US officer has been found guilty of the
negligent homicide of an Iraqi general who was being held in custody.
But a jury of six army officers found Chief Warrant Officer Lewis Welshofer
Jr not guilty of the murder of Maj-Gen Abed Hamed Mowhoush in 2003.
The officer now faces up to three years in jail for homicide. He was also
convicted of dereliction of duty.
Prosecutors say Gen Mowhoush was bound, placed headfirst in a sleeping bag
and died with an officer sitting on him.
It was one of a number of deaths of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan under
investigation by the US military.
At the beginning of the trial, defence lawyers called a witness who claimed
he had overheard a juror coming under pressure from a senior officer, and
applied for the case to be dismissed because of "unlawful command
influence".
But the judge rejected the request.
Gen Mowhoush died while being held at al-Qaim in Iraq, near the Syrian
border.
A death certificate published by the Pentagon gave the cause as asphyxia due
to smothering and chest compression.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/middle_east/4636344.stm
Published: 2006/01/22 06:48:57 GMT
© BBC MMVI
Near-miss US jet crews criticised Two US fighter crews and ground control
staff have been criticised in a report after a near-miss with a civilian
aircraft over Bedfordshire.
The Air Accident Investigation Branch said there was "general confusion"
when the F-15E Eagles from RAF Lakenheath in Suffolk passed close to the
aircraft.
They were at 21,000ft and above the level to which they were cleared to fly
on 27 January 2005.
There were 35 passengers on board the British Airways regional flight.
The captain of BA CitiExpress (now BA Connect) aircraft told air traffic
control he had just seen an F15 pass about 100ft below the nose of the
Embraer 145 and "no more than about 200 yards ahead, descending," said the
report.
Also poor use was made of the highly sophisticated aids available
AAIB report
The report said the fighters passed within about 1,000 yards of the Embraer.
The AAIB report went on: "Inadequate transmission and acknowledgements of
clearances within the formation plus the crews' inability to fly either as a
coherent formation or as two independent aircraft during the diversion were
major contributory factors to the ensuing general confusion.
"Also poor use was made of the highly sophisticated aids available to the
crews in monitoring fuel loads, monitoring ground position and using
airborne radar."
The report was also critical of air traffic control at Lakenheath in Suffolk
for a communication failure which "contributed to the subsequent radar
identification problems".
The two fighter planes were flying from RAF Lakenheath for a close air
support training sortie at Otterburn Range near Newcastle upon Tyne.
During the training exercise, both aircraft became low on fuel and decided
to divert due to poor weather and air traffic delays at Lakenheath.
'Critically short of fuel'
It was some time after this that the Embraer captain reported to
London-based air traffic controllers that a military fighter aircraft had
passed close in front of him.
Eventually the two fighter planes landed safely at RAF Valley at Holyhead in
Anglesey.
The AAIB report said the decision to divert was left too late.
The report went on: "Because they were critically short of fuel, the (US)
aircraft climbed through their cleared flight level, without transponding,
entered controlled airspace and conflicted with the Embraer 145."
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/4694932.stm
Published: 2006/02/09 00:33:49 GMT
© BBC MMVI 12 Feb 2006
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4706902.stm
Two Pakistani nomad women have been killed after a rocket fired across the
border from Afghanistan landed on their tent, Pakistani officials say.
Four children were hurt in the attack late on Saturday in North
Waziristan.
Locals say US-led coalition forces in Afghanistan fired four rockets into
Pakistan's tribal area after coming under fire from unknown attackers.
A US spokesman confirmed coalition forces had returned fire into Pakistan,
but was not aware of casualties.
Post 'attacked'
The incident is the third this year in which civilians have been killed
inside Pakistani territory in apparent missile strikes by US-led forces
who
are hunting al-Qaeda and Taleban suspects in the mountainous border area.
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01 Mar 2006 08:22:47 AM |
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"Northern Raider" <northland@north.com> wrote in message
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<conners_3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141198106.026993.158460@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
Not bad for a few thousand Sunni insurgents who have killed close to
2300 American troops and wounded around 17000 others. All this against
the supposedly "best" military in the world.
Best military in the world??????? You must be bloody joking, they are
certainly the most powerful, but they are not the best, not the most
professional , they dont even figure in the top ten . They have one
decent
professional unit under their flag and thats the Rangers
*****. When you open with a lie that big, I won't bother to read anymore
of your *****.
<plonk>
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01 Mar 2006 10:49:00 AM |
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Morton Davis wrote:
"Northern Raider" <northland@north.com> wrote in message
news:du46vq$65g$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
<conners_3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141198106.026993.158460@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
Not bad for a few thousand Sunni insurgents who have killed close to
2300 American troops and wounded around 17000 others. All this against
the supposedly "best" military in the world.
Best military in the world??????? You must be bloody joking, they are
certainly the most powerful, but they are not the best, not the most
professional , they dont even figure in the top ten . They have one
decent
professional unit under their flag and thats the Rangers
*****. When you open with a lie that big, I won't bother to read anymore
of your *****.
<plonk>
Translated:
"Here's my cop-out excuse so I don't have to answer to the facts."
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| User: "Northern Raider" |
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01 Mar 2006 03:34:10 PM |
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<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
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Morton Davis wrote:
"Northern Raider" <northland@north.com> wrote in message
news:du46vq$65g$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
<conners_3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141198106.026993.158460@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
Not bad for a few thousand Sunni insurgents who have killed close to
2300 American troops and wounded around 17000 others. All this against
the supposedly "best" military in the world.
Best military in the world??????? You must be bloody joking, they are
certainly the most powerful, but they are not the best, not the most
professional , they dont even figure in the top ten . They have one
decent
professional unit under their flag and thats the Rangers
*****. When you open with a lie that big, I won't bother to read
anymore
of your *****.
<plonk>
Translated:
"Here's my cop-out excuse so I don't have to answer to the facts."
It shows Mr Davis is not a soldier, is a yank, and lives in denial.
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| User: "Malachias Invictus" |
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01 Mar 2006 03:49:57 PM |
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<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
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Morton Davis wrote:
"Northern Raider" <northland@north.com> wrote in message
news:du46vq$65g$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
<conners_3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141198106.026993.158460@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
Not bad for a few thousand Sunni insurgents who have killed close to
2300 American troops and wounded around 17000 others. All this against
the supposedly "best" military in the world.
Best military in the world??????? You must be bloody joking, they are
certainly the most powerful, but they are not the best, not the most
professional , they dont even figure in the top ten . They have one
decent
professional unit under their flag and thats the Rangers
*****. When you open with a lie that big, I won't bother to read
anymore
of your *****.
<plonk>
Translated:
"Here's my cop-out excuse so I don't have to answer to the facts."
Good summary. I may not agree with everything Northern Raider said, but to
ignore it all over a matter of opinion, is, well, typical of the type of
person Davis represents.
--
^v^v^Malachias Invictus^v^v^
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishment the scroll,
I am the Master of my fate:
I am the Captain of my soul.
from _Invictus_, by William Ernest Henley
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| User: "" |
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02 Mar 2006 04:41:07 AM |
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Malachias Invictus wrote:
<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141231740.803187.224690@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Morton Davis wrote:
"Northern Raider" <northland@north.com> wrote in message
news:du46vq$65g$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
<conners_3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141198106.026993.158460@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
Not bad for a few thousand Sunni insurgents who have killed close to
2300 American troops and wounded around 17000 others. All this against
the supposedly "best" military in the world.
Best military in the world??????? You must be bloody joking, they are
certainly the most powerful, but they are not the best, not the most
professional , they dont even figure in the top ten . They have one
decent
professional unit under their flag and thats the Rangers
*****. When you open with a lie that big, I won't bother to read
anymore
of your *****.
<plonk>
Translated:
"Here's my cop-out excuse so I don't have to answer to the facts."
Good summary. I may not agree with everything Northern Raider said, but to
ignore it all over a matter of opinion, is, well, typical of the type of
person Davis represents.
"Best" is a subjective matter, and that individual seemed to
think only his view mattered. For example, the professionalism
of the British military makes them better than the US; the sheer
numbers of the Chinese army outweighs the US unless one is
willing to use nuclear weapons, etc.
Here's a scary thought on who's really powerful: The Soviets
used to have "sleepers", spies sent pretending to be "refusniks"
and "defectors" who were really true believers, activated months
or years later. Islam has more sleepers, but unlike the Soviets
who were already believers, the muslim sleepers need only be
motivated to join. People who were never anti-US or anti-west
before start to listen to islamic extremists when they feel
outrage about the Shia dome, Abu Ghraib, or finding "innocent
until proven guilty doesn't apply to them anymore. You think
the lies and mob riots on TV surrounding the Danish cartoons
won't garner a few recruits?
I say lies because it was Danish imams who went to the middle
east and claimed three more pictures were in the newspapers but
the Danes never published: mohammed the paedophile, a muslim in
prayer being assf***ed by a dog, and mohammed the pig. THAT is
what started the first riot, the rest are excuses for violence.
http://bibelen.blogspot.com/2006/01/imams-showed-pedophile-mohamed.html
There's strong reason to suspect the Danish imams were the ones
who created the worst photos.
Bob Dog
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| User: "Malachias Invictus" |
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02 Mar 2006 09:40:10 AM |
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<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
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Malachias Invictus wrote:
<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
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Morton Davis wrote:
"Northern Raider" <northland@north.com> wrote in message
news:du46vq$65g$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
<conners_3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141198106.026993.158460@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
Not bad for a few thousand Sunni insurgents who have killed close to
2300 American troops and wounded around 17000 others. All this
against
the supposedly "best" military in the world.
Best military in the world??????? You must be bloody joking, they
are
certainly the most powerful, but they are not the best, not the most
professional , they dont even figure in the top ten . They have
one
decent
professional unit under their flag and thats the Rangers
*****. When you open with a lie that big, I won't bother to read
anymore
of your *****.
<plonk>
Translated:
"Here's my cop-out excuse so I don't have to answer to the facts."
Good summary. I may not agree with everything Northern Raider said, but
to
ignore it all over a matter of opinion, is, well, typical of the type of
person Davis represents.
"Best" is a subjective matter, and that individual seemed to
think only his view mattered.
I think he is far from the only participant here guilty of that.
For example, the professionalism
of the British military makes them better than the US; the sheer
numbers of the Chinese army outweighs the US unless one is
willing to use nuclear weapons, etc.
Sure.
Here's a scary thought on who's really powerful: The Soviets
used to have "sleepers", spies sent pretending to be "refusniks"
and "defectors" who were really true believers, activated months
or years later. Islam has more sleepers, but unlike the Soviets
who were already believers, the muslim sleepers need only be
motivated to join. People who were never anti-US or anti-west
before start to listen to islamic extremists when they feel
outrage about the Shia dome, Abu Ghraib, or finding "innocent
until proven guilty doesn't apply to them anymore.
How about the killing of civilians? I don't know about you, but if a
country was responsible for killing my children, I would sign on to hurt
them by any means available. When you are dealing with cultures that have
strong extended familial bonds, this problem is exacerbated.
You think the lies and mob riots on TV surrounding the Danish cartoons
won't garner a few recruits?
It will add to the problem, sure. Each incident pushes a few more over the
edge.
I say lies because it was Danish imams who went to the middle
east and claimed three more pictures were in the newspapers but
the Danes never published: mohammed the paedophile, a muslim in
prayer being assf***ed by a dog, and mohammed the pig. THAT is
what started the first riot, the rest are excuses for violence.
They certainly knew how to play to their demographic. Given their likely
goals, it was a smart move, and hardly anyone will remember the "lie" part,
just the insult. For a good example of how this works, look at how many
people still think Iraq was involved with the September 11th attacks.
--
^v^v^Malachias Invictus^v^v^
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishment the scroll,
I am the Master of my fate:
I am the Captain of my soul.
from _Invictus_, by William Ernest Henley
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| User: "stoney" |
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02 Mar 2006 07:56:09 PM |
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On 2 Mar 2006 02:41:07 -0800, wrote in alt.atheism
Malachias Invictus wrote:
< > wrote in message
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Morton Davis wrote:
"Northern Raider" <northland@north.com> wrote in message
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Not bad for a few thousand Sunni insurgents who have killed close to
2300 American troops and wounded around 17000 others. All this against
the supposedly "best" military in the world.
Best military in the world??????? You must be bloody joking, they are
certainly the most powerful, but they are not the best, not the most
professional , they dont even figure in the top ten . They have one
decent
professional unit under their flag and thats the Rangers
*****. When you open with a lie that big, I won't bother to read
anymore
of your *****.
<plonk>
Translated:
"Here's my cop-out excuse so I don't have to answer to the facts."
Good summary. I may not agree with everything Northern Raider said, but to
ignore it all over a matter of opinion, is, well, typical of the type of
person Davis represents.
"Best" is a subjective matter, and that individual seemed to
think only his view mattered. For example, the professionalism
of the British military makes them better than the US; the sheer
numbers of the Chinese army outweighs the US unless one is
willing to use nuclear weapons, etc.
Here's a scary thought on who's really powerful: The Soviets
used to have "sleepers", spies sent pretending to be "refusniks"
and "defectors" who were really true believers, activated months
or years later. Islam has more sleepers, but unlike the Soviets
who were already believers, the muslim sleepers need only be
motivated to join. People who were never anti-US or anti-west
before start to listen to islamic extremists when they feel
outrage about the Shia dome, Abu Ghraib, or finding "innocent
until proven guilty doesn't apply to them anymore. You think
the lies and mob riots on TV surrounding the Danish cartoons
won't garner a few recruits?
I say lies because it was Danish imams who went to the middle
east and claimed three more pictures were in the newspapers but
the Danes never published: mohammed the paedophile, a muslim in
prayer being assf***ed by a dog, and mohammed the pig. THAT is
what started the first riot, the rest are excuses for violence.
http://bibelen.blogspot.com/2006/01/imams-showed-pedophile-mohamed.html
There's strong reason to suspect the Danish imams were the ones
who created the worst photos.
Just their reproducing them much less transporting them and showing them
to people was a death sentence violation.
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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02 Mar 2006 08:31:42 PM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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who created the worst photos.
Just their reproducing them much less transporting them and showing them
to people was a death sentence violation.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed.
For you, it would make a nice adenda to death by putrification, which you so
rrichly deserve.
<plonk>
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| User: "James H. Hood" |
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02 Mar 2006 01:05:23 AM |
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Northern Raider <northland@north.com> wrote in message
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In 1812 the yanks thought they could gain a second victory over the
British
and invaded Canada, But this time the British had just defeated Napoleons
French army, and were in a position to give the Americans their full
attention, In reply to the Americans invading Canada the British drove
the
US forces back across the border, captured the cities of Dearborn,
Detroit,
Mackinaw, Benedict, and finally routed the yanks at Bladensburg, from
here
the Brits then captured the American capital of Washington, Chased the US
president in person on his horse to Virginia, Captured the Whitehouse and
had dinner there before burning it down along with the navy yard and the
library of congress before the Brits withdrew without meeting any
American
resistance.
And eventually acceded to all our demands.
Clearly, you think military prowess is proven by being able to burn down an
empty, undefended building. That proves you're simply a buffoon.
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| User: "Malachias Invictus" |
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02 Mar 2006 02:17:54 PM |
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"James H. Hood" <jhhoodDIESPAMMERDIE@urdirect.net> wrote in message
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Northern Raider <northland@north.com> wrote in message
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In 1812 the yanks thought they could gain a second victory over the
British
and invaded Canada, But this time the British had just defeated
Napoleons
French army, and were in a position to give the Americans their full
attention, In reply to the Americans invading Canada the British drove
the
US forces back across the border, captured the cities of Dearborn,
Detroit,
Mackinaw, Benedict, and finally routed the yanks at Bladensburg, from
here
the Brits then captured the American capital of Washington, Chased the
US
president in person on his horse to Virginia, Captured the Whitehouse
and
had dinner there before burning it down along with the navy yard and the
library of congress before the Brits withdrew without meeting any
American
resistance.
And eventually acceded to all our demands.
Clearly, you think military prowess is proven by being able to burn down
an
empty, undefended building.
When that empty, undefended building is that nation's capitol, I would say
it is.
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^v^v^Malachias Invictus^v^v^
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishment the scroll,
I am the Master of my fate:
I am the Captain of my soul.
from _Invictus_, by William Ernest Henley
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| User: "Northern Raider" |
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02 Mar 2006 03:29:54 AM |
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Clearly, you think military prowess is proven by being able to burn down
an
empty, undefended building. That proves you're simply a buffoon.
No the prowess came from driving the US forces right out of Canada, right
through there own northern states, capturing many cities and even driving
them out of their own capital, all with a small expeditionary force, Their
own brave president having to flee by horse to Virginia leaving the First
Lady to be the only american the Brits came across that day who was
honourable, noble and brave. Military prowess come by voctories and
achievments not Hollywood fantasy.
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| User: "James H. Hood" |
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02 Mar 2006 04:46:29 PM |
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Northern Raider <northland@north.com> wrote in message
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Clearly, you think military prowess is proven by being able to burn down
an
empty, undefended building. That proves you're simply a buffoon.
No the prowess came from driving the US forces right out of Canada, right
through there own northern states, capturing many cities and even driving
them out of their own capital, all with a small expeditionary force, Their
own brave president having to flee by horse to Virginia leaving the First
Lady to be the only american the Brits came across that day who was
honourable, noble and brave. Military prowess come by voctories and
achievments not Hollywood fantasy.
To your twisted mind, buring an empty and undefended building is a victory.
Now wonder you wallow in ignorance.
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| User: "Northern Raider" |
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03 Mar 2006 03:31:18 AM |
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"James H. Hood" <jhhoodDIESPAMMERDIE@urdirect.net> wrote in message
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Northern Raider <northland@north.com> wrote in message
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Clearly, you think military prowess is proven by being able to burn
down
an
empty, undefended building. That proves you're simply a buffoon.
No the prowess came from driving the US forces right out of Canada,
right
through there own northern states, capturing many cities and even driving
them out of their own capital, all with a small expeditionary force,
Their
own brave president having to flee by horse to Virginia leaving the First
Lady to be the only american the Brits came across that day who was
honourable, noble and brave. Military prowess come by voctories and
achievments not Hollywood fantasy.
To your twisted mind, buring an empty and undefended building is a
victory.
Now wonder you wallow in ignorance.
Where was the US army, running as fast as it could since our few thousand
troops thrashed them north of DC at the east potomac area around Blandsburg
Maryland, the Brit troops thrashed 3 lines of US troops on their home ground
in 1 hour, pres Madison fled on orseback to virginia trying to keep up with
the rapidly retreating US army,Washington DC was captured by only 400
british troops, Your Army was driven from York Canada right through your own
states, and you let your capital fall, We stopped and had lunch in the
whitehouse read the prezs mail, then captured the naval yard. The US army
was running as fast as it could.
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| User: "Red Jacket Red" |
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03 Mar 2006 11:36:45 AM |
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"Northern Raider" <northland@north.com> wrote in message
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"James H. Hood" <jhhoodDIESPAMMERDIE@urdirect.net> wrote in message
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Northern Raider <northland@north.com> wrote in message
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Clearly, you think military prowess is proven by being able to burn
down
an
empty, undefended building. That proves you're simply a buffoon.
No the prowess came from driving the US forces right out of Canada,
right
through there own northern states, capturing many cities and even
driving
them out of their own capital, all with a small expeditionary force,
Their
own brave president having to flee by horse to Virginia leaving the
First
Lady to be the only american the Brits came across that day who was
honourable, noble and brave. Military prowess come by voctories and
achievments not Hollywood fantasy.
To your twisted mind, buring an empty and undefended building is a
victory.
Now wonder you wallow in ignorance.
Where was the US army, running as fast as it could since our few thousand
troops thrashed them north of DC at the east potomac area around
Blandsburg
Maryland, the Brit troops thrashed 3 lines of US troops on their home
ground
in 1 hour, pres Madison fled on orseback to virginia trying to keep up
with
the rapidly retreating US army,Washington DC was captured by only 400
british troops, Your Army was driven from York Canada right through your
own
states, and you let your capital fall, We stopped and had lunch in the
whitehouse read the prezs mail, then captured the naval yard. The US
army
was running as fast as it could.
Read some history. The US had a militia and won the War of 1812 .
Look up New Orleans. Fer criss sakes one Brit Gen forgot where
he had left his artillery and the 44th ceased to exist.!
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| User: "Northern Raider" |
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03 Mar 2006 03:16:16 PM |
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was running as fast as it could.
Read some history. The US had a militia and won the War of 1812 .
Look up New Orleans. Fer criss sakes one Brit Gen forgot where
he had left his artillery and the 44th ceased to exist.!
The history is plain, the US invaded Canada, burnt down its then capital
York, Britain responded by invading the US, we took Mackinaw, Dearborn,
Detroit, Bladensburg and Washington DC, The US army stood and fought in any
worthwhile manner along the east Potomac Bladensburg Maryland on Aug 24th,
The Brits rolled through your three lines of troops in 1 hour, we then
captured DCs naval yard, and library on congress, The US army and militia
was running away as fast as it could, The only honourable American that day
was the First Lady who stayed behind to resist our troops and save the
priceless artwork in the white house. We then captured without incident the
White House, had a nice dinner there and read the govts mail before
withdrawing, The end result is the US got thrashed saw its cities captured,
also its capital and centre of government, your President had to flee on
horseback into Virginia. We then signed a peace treaty in which all original
borders were re established, Canada lost nothing, Brit ain had more military
victories under its belt and the US had a few cities to rebuild, FFS if
thats Americas idea of a victory you must be a more sad nation than everyone
believed.
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| User: "Chris Hayes" |
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03 Mar 2006 11:27:22 AM |
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Red Jacket wrote:
"Northern Raider" <northland@north.com> wrote in message
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"James H. Hood" <jhhoodDIESPAMMERDIE@urdirect.net> wrote in message
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Northern Raider <northland@north.com> wrote in message
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Clearly, you think military prowess is proven by being able to burn
down
an
empty, undefended building. That proves you're simply a buffoon.
No the prowess came from driving the US forces right out of Canada,
right
through there own northern states, capturing many cities and even
driving
them out of their own capital, all with a small expeditionary force,
Their
own brave president having to flee by horse to Virginia leaving the
First
Lady to be the only american the Brits came across that day who was
honourable, noble and brave. Military prowess come by voctories and
achievments not Hollywood fantasy.
To your twisted mind, buring an empty and undefended building is a
victory.
Now wonder you wallow in ignorance.
Where was the US army, running as fast as it could since our few thousand
troops thrashed them north of DC at the east potomac area around
Blandsburg
Maryland, the Brit troops thrashed 3 lines of US troops on their home
ground
in 1 hour, pres Madison fled on orseback to virginia trying to keep up
with
the rapidly retreating US army,Washington DC was captured by only 400
british troops, Your Army was driven from York Canada right through your
own
states, and you let your capital fall, We stopped and had lunch in the
whitehouse read the prezs mail, then captured the naval yard. The US
army
was running as fast as it could.
Read some history. The US had a militia and won the War of 1812 .
YOU should read some history. The war was, at best, from the US's
perspective, a *draw.* The US invaded what would later become Canada
and was totally repelled. Furthermore, the British had a bigger fish
to fry in 1812-1814 than America: Napoleon Bonaparte. Most of
Britian's attention was against France at that time.
Look up New Orleans.
Look up Treaty of Ghent. The battle of New Orleans was won *after* the
treaty was signed. Besides, one battle does not a war make. Overall,
the US fought Britian into a stalemate. You will find that no
historian will claim the US won the War of 1812. Not a single one.
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| User: "Red Jacket Red" |
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03 Mar 2006 03:52:10 PM |
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"Chris Hayes" <hayes12@fadmail.com> wrote in message
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Red Jacket wrote:
"Northern Raider" <northland@north.com> wrote in message
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"James H. Hood" <jhhoodDIESPAMMERDIE@urdirect.net> wrote in message
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Northern Raider <northland@north.com> wrote in message
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Clearly, you think military prowess is proven by being able to
burn
down
an
empty, undefended building. That proves you're simply a buffoon.
No the prowess came from driving the US forces right out of
Canada,
right
through there own northern states, capturing many cities and even
driving
them out of their own capital, all with a small expeditionary
force,
Their
own brave president having to flee by horse to Virginia leaving the
First
Lady to be the only american the Brits came across that day who was
honourable, noble and brave. Military prowess come by voctories and
achievments not Hollywood fantasy.
To your twisted mind, buring an empty and undefended building is a
victory.
Now wonder you wallow in ignorance.
Where was the US army, running as fast as it could since our few
thousand
troops thrashed them north of DC at the east potomac area around
Blandsburg
Maryland, the Brit troops thrashed 3 lines of US troops on their home
ground
in 1 hour, pres Madison fled on orseback to virginia trying to keep up
with
the rapidly retreating US army,Washington DC was captured by only 400
british troops, Your Army was driven from York Canada right through
your
own
states, and you let your capital fall, We stopped and had lunch in the
whitehouse read the prezs mail, then captured the naval yard. The US
army
was running as fast as it could.
Read some history. The US had a militia and won the War of 1812 .
YOU should read some history. The war was, at best, from the US's
perspective, a *draw.* The US invaded what would later become Canada
and was totally repelled. Furthermore, the British had a bigger fish
to fry in 1812-1814 than America: Napoleon Bonaparte. Most of
Britian's attention was against France at that time.
Look up New Orleans.
Look up Treaty of Ghent. The battle of New Orleans was won *after* the
treaty was signed. Besides, one battle does not a war make. Overall,
the US fought Britian into a stalemate. You will find that no
historian will claim the US won the War of 1812. Not a single one.
It got the Tories out and the forts on this side of the boundary back in
the US hands.
The Brits continued to agitate the Indians.
The Indian problem was solved with Sullivan's march.
That sounds like a win in my book.
As for after or before ? Well, the very reason for war was
over before it started. Impressments.
The Brits still wanted a war well in to the civil war.
France is of no concern.
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| User: "Chris Hayes" |
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03 Mar 2006 08:32:54 PM |
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Red Jacket wrote:
"Chris Hayes" <hayes12@fadmail.com> wrote in message
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Red Jacket wrote:
"Northern Raider" <northland@north.com> wrote in message
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"James H. Hood" <jhhoodDIESPAMMERDIE@urdirect.net> wrote in message
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Northern Raider <northland@north.com> wrote in message
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Clearly, you think military prowess is proven by being able to
burn
down
an
empty, undefended building. That proves you're simply a buffoon.
No the prowess came from driving the US forces right out of
Canada,
right
through there own northern states, capturing many cities and even
driving
them out of their own capital, all with a small expeditionary
force,
Their
own brave president having to flee by horse to Virginia leaving the
First
Lady to be the only american the Brits came across that day who was
honourable, noble and brave. Military prowess come by voctories and
achievments not Hollywood fantasy.
To your twisted mind, buring an empty and undefended building is a
victory.
Now wonder you wallow in ignorance.
Where was the US army, running as fast as it could since our few
thousand
troops thrashed them north of DC at the east potomac area around
Blandsburg
Maryland, the Brit troops thrashed 3 lines of US troops on their home
ground
in 1 hour, pres Madison fled on orseback to virginia trying to keep up
with
the rapidly retreating US army,Washington DC was captured by only 400
british troops, Your Army was driven from York Canada right through
your
own
states, and you let your capital fall, We stopped and had lunch in the
whitehouse read the prezs mail, then captured the naval yard. The US
army
was running as fast as it could.
Read some history. The US had a militia and won the War of 1812 .
YOU should read some history. The war was, at best, from the US's
perspective, a *draw.* The US invaded what would later become Canada
and was totally repelled. Furthermore, the British had a bigger fish
to fry in 1812-1814 than America: Napoleon Bonaparte. Most of
Britian's attention was against France at that time.
Look up New Orleans.
Look up Treaty of Ghent. The battle of New Orleans was won *after* the
treaty was signed. Besides, one battle does not a war make. Overall,
the US fought Britian into a stalemate. You will find that no
historian will claim the US won the War of 1812. Not a single one.
It got the Tories out and the forts on this side of the boundary back in
the US hands.
The Brits continued to agitate the Indians.
The Indian problem was solved with Sullivan's march.
That sounds like a win in my book.
That's because you're a moron (and historically illiterate to boot).
One of the main reasons the war was declared was to grab British
territory in Canada. The US utterly failed in that respect.
The REAL winner of that war was Canada.
As for after or before ? Well, the very reason for war was
over before it started. Impressments.
The Brits still wanted a war well in to the civil war.
France is of no concern.
You're stupid, aren't you? Napoleon's army was the primary concern of
the British at that time. That's a fact.
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| User: "Red Jacket Red" |
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04 Mar 2006 09:10:03 AM |
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..
"Chris Hayes" <hayes12@fadmail.com> wrote in message
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Red Jacket wrote:
"Chris Hayes" <hayes12@fadmail.com> wrote in message
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Red Jacket wrote:
"Northern Raider" <northland@north.com> wrote in message
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"James H. Hood" <jhhoodDIESPAMMERDIE@urdirect.net> wrote in
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Northern Raider <northland@north.com> wrote in message
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Clearly, you think military prowess is proven by being able
to
burn
down
an
empty, undefended building. That proves you're simply a
buffoon.
No the prowess came from driving the US forces right out of
Canada,
right
through there own northern states, capturing many cities and
even
driving
them out of their own capital, all with a small expeditionary
force,
Their
own brave president having to flee by horse to Virginia leaving
the
First
Lady to be the only american the Brits came across that day who
was
honourable, noble and brave. Military prowess come by voctories
and
achievments not Hollywood fantasy.
To your twisted mind, buring an empty and undefended building is
a
victory.
Now wonder you wallow in ignorance.
Where was the US army, running as fast as it could since our few
thousand
troops thrashed them north of DC at the east potomac area around
Blandsburg
Maryland, the Brit troops thrashed 3 lines of US troops on their
home
ground
in 1 hour, pres Madison fled on orseback to virginia trying to
keep up
with
the rapidly retreating US army,Washington DC was captured by only
400
british troops, Your Army was driven from York Canada right
through
your
own
states, and you let your capital fall, We stopped and had lunch in
the
whitehouse read the prezs mail, then captured the naval yard.
The US
army
was running as fast as it could.
Read some history. The US had a militia and won the War of 1812 .
YOU should read some history. The war was, at best, from the US's
perspective, a *draw.* The US invaded what would later become Canada
and was totally repelled. Furthermore, the British had a bigger fish
to fry in 1812-1814 than America: Napoleon Bonaparte. Most of
Britian's attention was against France at that time.
Look up New Orleans.
Look up Treaty of Ghent. The battle of New Orleans was won *after*
the
treaty was signed. Besides, one battle does not a war make. Overall,
the US fought Britian into a stalemate. You will find that no
historian will claim the US won the War of 1812. Not a single one.
It got the Tories out and the forts on this side of the boundary back
in
the US hands.
The Brits continued to agitate the Indians.
The Indian problem was solved with Sullivan's march.
That sounds like a win in my book.
That's because you're a moron (and historically illiterate to boot).
One of the main reasons the war was declared was to grab British
territory in Canada. The US utterly failed in that respect.
WTFO ? Most militia refused to enter Canada. Duh..
The REAL winner of that war was Canada.
Was that a question ?
As for after or before ? Well, the very reason for war was
over before it started. Impressments.
The Brits still wanted a war well in to the civil war.
France is of no concern.
You're stupid, aren't you? Napoleon's army was the primary concern of
the British at that time. That's a fact.
This is a US problem ? I thought it was Impressments ...Indians and
British still on US property ?
You are just another stupid *****, you remind me of Northen Raider.
Try and argue with him, he is just as illiterate as you.
You don't know your facts nor can you comprehend even a basic
history of that era
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| User: "Rick Pikul" |
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05 Mar 2006 08:34:23 PM |
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On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 07:10:03 -0800, Red Jacket wrote:
"Chris Hayes" <hayes12@fadmail.com> wrote in message
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That's because you're a moron (and historically illiterate to boot).
One of the main reasons the war was declared was to grab British
territory in Canada. The US utterly failed in that respect.
WTFO ? Most militia refused to enter Canada. Duh..
Actually, that was Nova Scotia and New Brunswick they refused to
enter[1], US militias had no problem entering Canada.
(Hist Note: In 1812, Canada was what is now southern Ontario, (Upper
Canada), and southern Quebec, (Lower Canada). The extension of the Name
to include more of British North America would not begin until 1867,
(ending in 1948 with Newfoundland joining Confederation).
You're stupid, aren't you? Napoleon's army was the primary concern of
the British at that time. That's a fact.
This is a US problem ? I thought it was Impressments ...Indians and
British still on US property ?
That was the pretext, period documents show the goal was to annex at
least the so-called 14th colony, (Canada), which had sided with the Crown
in 1776-1783.
[1] US forces there got trounced anyway, when British forces captured
Maine.
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| User: "Northern Raider" |
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06 Mar 2006 10:20:12 AM |
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"Rick Pikul" <rwpikul@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
[1] US forces there got trounced anyway, when British forces captured
Maine.
Deerborn, Detroit, Bladensburg, Mackinaw , and Washington DC all fell to the
Brits, even according to theyanks own history the only american displaying
courage , fortitude and honour was the first lady , A Mrs Dolly Madison, her
husband the president of the United States was last seen riding his horse
as fast as he could after the rapidly retreating US forces into Virginia. No
doubt around the camp fires that night the yanks were weaving the recent
events into yet another american victory, after all Washington DC home of
the brave American people was captured by only 400 British troops.
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| User: "AUK Registrar" |
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06 Mar 2006 05:49:47 PM |
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In <duhnfs$63v$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, "Northern Raider"
<northland@north.com> wrote:
"Rick Pikul" <rwpikul@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
[1] US forces there got trounced anyway, when British forces captured
Maine.
Deerborn, Detroit, Bladensburg, Mackinaw , and Washington DC all fell to the
Brits, even according to theyanks own history the only american displaying
courage , fortitude and honour was the first lady , A Mrs Dolly Madison, her
husband the president of the United States was last seen riding his horse
as fast as he could after the rapidly retreating US forces into Virginia. No
doubt around the camp fires that night the yanks were weaving the recent
events into yet another american victory, after all Washington DC home of
the brave American people was captured by only 400 British troops.
What's really fascinating about your prattling on about this is that you
actually think you're getting anyone upset about events that transpired 192
years ago.
The only thing you're doing is giving us all a laugh at your expense.
Besides, the money we've made off of your countrymen as tourists since then
more than makes up for everything.
--
AUK Registrar
Providing clues to the cluless since time began
http://www.jillsjokeline.com/cluepon.jpg
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| User: "Northern Raider" |
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07 Mar 2006 06:09:01 AM |
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"AUK Registrar" <cjiii@mxyzptlk.net> wrote in message
What's really fascinating about your prattling on about this is that you
actually think you're getting anyone upset about events that transpired
192
years ago.
The only thing you're doing is giving us all a laugh at your expense.
Besides, the money we've made off of your countrymen as tourists since
then
more than makes up for everything.
Glad you enjoy it, but Your own sad little yank countrymen are making
similar referernces to British history just a bit further up the page, I'm
not bothered either way I just enjoy pointing out the facts that the yanks
are rank amautuers in uniform and have not one one major conflict on their
own, EVER.
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| User: "Red Jacket Red" |
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07 Mar 2006 09:26:26 AM |
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"Northern Raider" <northland@north.com> wrote in message
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Glad you enjoy it, but Your own sad little yank countrymen are making
similar referernces to British history just a bit further up the page,
I'm
not bothered either way I just enjoy pointing out the facts that the yanks
are rank amautuers in uniform and have not one one major conflict on their
own, EVER.
We have you to protect us.
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| User: "Northern Raider" |
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07 Mar 2006 10:19:59 AM |
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"Red Jacket" <Red Jacket@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Northern Raider" <northland@north.com> wrote in message
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Glad you enjoy it, but Your own sad little yank countrymen are making
similar referernces to British history just a bit further up the page,
I'm
not bothered either way I just enjoy pointing out the facts that the
yanks
are rank amautuers in uniform and have not one one major conflict on
their
own, EVER.
We have you to protect us.
perhaps once over, but Britain is now a nation of petty socialists, with an
army of under 97,000, we could not even retake the Falklands now if the
Argies grabbed it again.
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| User: "James H. Hood" |
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08 Mar 2006 01:35:58 AM |
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Northern Raider <northland@north.com> wrote in message
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the yanks
are rank amautuers in uniform and have not one one major conflict on their
own, EVER.
Lying ignoramus.
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| User: "Chris Hayes" |
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04 Mar 2006 06:39:45 PM |
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Red Jacket wrote:
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"Chris Hayes" <hayes12@fadmail.com> wrote in message
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Red Jacket wrote:
"Chris Hayes" <hayes12@fadmail.com> wrote in message
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Red Jacket wrote:
"Northern Raider" <northland@north.com> wrote in message
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"James H. Hood" <jhhoodDIESPAMMERDIE@urdirect.net> wrote in
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Northern Raider <northland@north.com> wrote in message
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Clearly, you think military prowess is proven by being able
to
burn
down
an
empty, undefended building. That proves you're simply a
buffoon.
No the prowess came from driving the US forces right out of
Canada,
right
through there own northern states, capturing many cities and
even
driving
them out of their own capital, all with a small expeditionary
force,
Their
own brave president having to flee by horse to Virginia leaving
the
First
Lady to be the only american the Brits came across that day who
was
honourable, noble and brave. Military prowess come by voctories
and
achievments not Hollywood fantasy.
To your twisted mind, buring an empty and undefended building is
a
victory.
Now wonder you wallow in ignorance.
Where was the US army, running as fast as it could since our few
thousand
troops thrashed them north of DC at the east potomac area around
Blandsburg
Maryland, the Brit troops thrashed 3 lines of US troops on their
home
ground
in 1 hour, pres Madison fled on orseback to virginia trying to
keep up
with
the rapidly retreating US army,Washington DC was captured by only
400
british troops, Your Army was driven from York Canada right
through
your
own
states, and you let your capital fall, We stopped and had lunch in
the
whitehouse read the prezs mail, then captured the naval yard.
The US
army
was running as fast as it could.
Read some history. The US had a militia and won the War of 1812 .
YOU should read some history. The war was, at best, from the US's
perspective, a *draw.* The US invaded what would later become Canada
and was totally repelled. Furthermore, the British had a bigger fish
to fry in 1812-1814 than America: Napoleon Bonaparte. Most of
Britian's attention was against France at that time.
Look up New Orleans.
Look up Treaty of Ghent. The battle of New Orleans was won *after*
the
treaty was signed. Besides, one battle does not a war make. Overall,
the US fought Britian into a stalemate. You will find that no
historian will claim the US won the War of 1812. Not a single one.
It got the Tories out and the forts on this side of the boundary back
in
the US hands.
The Brits continued to agitate the Indians.
The Indian problem was solved with Sullivan's march.
That sounds like a win in my book.
That's because you're a moron (and historically illiterate to boot).
One of the main reasons the war was declared was to grab British
territory in Canada. The US utterly failed in that respect.
WTFO ? Most militia refused to enter Canada. Duh..
Pure and utter *****, son. Look up York (i.e. Toronto) which was
burned by US forces. Look up General Hull, who drove the militia from
Detroit into Canada but was turned back. Generals Rensselar and
Dearborn also tried to invade Canada. You should go hit the books
because you obviously don't have a clue as to what you're talking
about.
The REAL winner of that war was Canada.
Was that a question ?
Just a fact.
As for after or before ? Well, the very reason for war was
over before it started. Impressments.
The Brits still wanted a war well in to the civil war.
France is of no concern.
You're stupid, aren't you? Napoleon's army was the primary concern of
the British at that time. That's a fact.
This is a US problem ? I thought it was Impressments ...Indians and
British still on US property ?
Boy, you're stupid. The fact that the British were mostly preoccupied
with Napoleon (France) in Europe means that most of their forces
weren't fighting the US. It no doubt had an effect on how the war
went.
You are just another stupid *****, you remind me of Northen Raider.
Try and argue with him, he is just as illiterate as you.
Except I know the facts about the War of 1812 while you clearly don't.
Come back when you have a clue, dipshit.
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| User: "Laura Butler" |
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03 Mar 2006 01:23:02 PM |
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Chris Hayes wrote:
Look up Treaty of Ghent. The battle of New Orleans was won *after* the
treaty was signed. Besides, one battle does not a war make. Overall,
the US fought Britian into a stalemate. You will find that no
historian will claim the US won the War of 1812. Not a single one.
Just jumping into this now, but I'd like to add something to what you
said, Chris. Many Americans cite the Battle of New Orleans, but as you
said, it was fought after the Treaty of Ghent. And, overall, take a
look at what really happened, too: British forces may have lost more
men than American forces, but did the Americans succeed in taking over
British North America? No. Therefore, you're quite right in saying that
no historian would claim an American win. I'd also add that no SANE
historian facing facts would do it, either.
Laura Butler
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03 Mar 2006 01:32:06 PM |
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