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"Jason Spaceman" |
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20 Dec 2003 03:21:03 AM |
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Newspaper Columnist: The greatest gift |
From the article:
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At a similar time, an American Civil War general and hero was asked by a
group of wealthy atheists to research and write a book proving Christianity
was a sham. He worked for years on the project but then returned to his
employers and returned their money. He was sorry, he said, but his efforts
had led him to believe, to know, that God was actually very real and very
alive.
He wrote a different book instead, one that featured Jesus Christ and His
miracles. The author was Lew Wallace. The book became famous in itself, and
then more so as a movie. It is called Ben Hur.
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Read it at http://www.canoe.ca/Columnists/coren.html
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Soylent Green is Clayton....BITE ME!!" |
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| Title: Re: Newspaper Columnist: The greatest gift |
20 Dec 2003 05:48:02 PM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <I@eat.spammers.for.breakfast> wrote in message
news:3wUEb.98164$ea%.37372@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
From the article:
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At a similar time, an American Civil War general and hero was asked by a
group of wealthy atheists to research and write a book proving
Christianity
was a sham. He worked for years on the project but then returned to his
employers and returned their money. He was sorry, he said, but his efforts
had led him to believe, to know, that God was actually very real and very
alive.
He wrote a different book instead, one that featured Jesus Christ and His
miracles. The author was Lew Wallace. The book became famous in itself,
and
then more so as a movie. It is called Ben Hur.
The Christianity in Ben Hur was shoved in with a crow bar. Without the
gratuitous, irrelevant and bizarrely out of place Christian propaganda, Ben
Hur would be a great and exciting story...instead it's just a really sad
example of how the brainwashed need to force their ***** into everything
they do or say.
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Read it at http://www.canoe.ca/Columnists/coren.html
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Adam Marczyk" |
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| Title: Re: Newspaper Columnist: The greatest gift |
21 Dec 2003 12:12:02 AM |
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Jason Spaceman <I@eat.spammers.for.breakfast> wrote in message
news:3wUEb.98164$ea%.37372@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
From the article:
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At a similar time, an American Civil War general and hero was asked by a
group of wealthy atheists to research and write a book proving
Christianity was a sham. He worked for years on the project but then
returned to his employers and returned their money. He was sorry, he
said, but his efforts had led him to believe, to know, that God was
actually very real and very alive.
He wrote a different book instead, one that featured Jesus Christ and His
miracles. The author was Lew Wallace. The book became famous in itself,
and then more so as a movie. It is called Ben Hur.
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Read it at http://www.canoe.ca/Columnists/coren.html
Call me a cynic, but I have my suspicions about this story. I bet the real
facts are more like those of C.S. Lewis, Lee Strobel or Frank Morison, each
of whom stopped going to church for a year or two and thought that made
them an atheist, prior to their "miraculous" re-conversion. Anyone know any
more about this?
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| User: "Martin Thomas" |
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| Title: Re: Newspaper Columnist: The greatest gift |
20 Dec 2003 04:28:04 AM |
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On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:21:03 GMT, Jason Spaceman
<I@eat.spammers.for.breakfast> wrote:
From the article:
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At a similar time, an American Civil War general and hero was asked by a
group of wealthy atheists to research and write a book proving Christianity
was a sham. He worked for years on the project but then returned to his
employers and returned their money. He was sorry, he said, but his efforts
had led him to believe, to know, that God was actually very real and very
alive.
He wrote a different book instead, one that featured Jesus Christ and His
miracles. The author was Lew Wallace. The book became famous in itself, and
then more so as a movie. It is called Ben Hur.
I remember that film!
I was about 7 and for months all the kids in the neighborhood
would challenge people to defend their 'honor'. Funniest thing
ever :) This was long before I discovered that there were still
lunatics alive who took that crap seriously. I remember one scene
in which a man was chatting up a woman and explained that he did
not like living honorably. The sanest man in the movie!
If there were any God bits, I would have disregarded them.
There were lots of exciting bits. I enjoyed it immensely :)
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Martin Thomas
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Newspaper Columnist: The greatest gift |
20 Dec 2003 04:42:01 AM |
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Piggyback.....
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:28:04 +0000, Martin Thomas
<mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:21:03 GMT, Jason Spaceman
<I@eat.spammers.for.breakfast> wrote:
From the article:
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At a similar time, an American Civil War general and hero was asked by a
group of wealthy atheists to research and write a book proving Christianity
was a sham. He worked for years on the project but then returned to his
employers and returned their money. He was sorry, he said, but his efforts
had led him to believe, to know, that God was actually very real and very
alive.
Where do they dredge up these lies from? It is obvious to anybody who
isn't Christian, because Christianity describes things that don't
happen, that are self-contradictory etc.
Christians however grant all the things that don't happen, eg an
eclipse of the Sun during a full moon and call them miracles. So you
will never disprove it to Christians.
And in any case non-Christians have no particular motivation to
"research" this - it's so obvious.
It's also merely somebody else's religious belief.
And they certainly wouldn't "be led to believe" because of Christians'
cognitive dissonance, transparent rationalisations etc that they
imagine "prove" Christianity, because these are worthless to anybody
with a functioning mind.
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