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24 Feb 2005 05:50:43 PM |
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Newton a creationist regarding biology |
Newton, Sir Isaac. 1704. _Optics_ in _Great Books of the
Western World: 34: Newton Huygens_, Robert Maynard
Hutchins, editor in chief (USA: Encyclopaedia Britannica,
Inc., 1952), 619pp., 377-544. On 542:
And so must the uniformity in the bodies of animals,
they having generally a right and a left side shaped
alike, and on either side of their bodies two legs behind,
and either two arms, or two legs, or two wings before
upon their shoulders, and between their shoulders a neck
running down into a backbone, and a head upon it; and
in the head two ears, two eyes, a nose, a mouth, and a
tongue, alike situated. Also the first contrivance of
those very artificial parts of animals, the eyes, ears,
brain, muscles, heart, lungs, midriff, glands, larynx,
hands, wings, swimming bladders, natural spectacles,
and other organs of sense and motion; and the instinct of
brutes and insects can be the effect of nothing else than
the wisdom and skill of a powerful, ever-living agent,
who being in all places, is more able by His will to
move the bodies within His boundless uniform
sensorium, and thereby to form and reform the parts of
the Universe, than we are by our will to move the parts
of our own bodies. And yet we are not to consider the
world as the body of God, or the several parts thereof as
the parts of God. He is a uniform Being, void of organs,
members or parts, and they are his creatures subordinate
to him, and subservient to His will; ....
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| User: "Bill Thompson" |
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24 Feb 2005 11:03:57 PM |
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"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
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Newton, Sir Isaac. 1704. _Optics_ in _Great Books of the
Western World: 34: Newton Huygens_, Robert Maynard
Hutchins, editor in chief (USA: Encyclopaedia Britannica,
Inc., 1952), 619pp., 377-544. On 542:
And so must the uniformity in the bodies of animals,
they having generally a right and a left side shaped
alike, and on either side of their bodies two legs behind,
and either two arms, or two legs, or two wings before
upon their shoulders, and between their shoulders a neck
running down into a backbone, and a head upon it; and
in the head two ears, two eyes, a nose, a mouth, and a
tongue, alike situated. Also the first contrivance of
those very artificial parts of animals, the eyes, ears,
brain, muscles, heart, lungs, midriff, glands, larynx,
hands, wings, swimming bladders, natural spectacles,
and other organs of sense and motion; and the instinct of
brutes and insects can be the effect of nothing else than
the wisdom and skill of a powerful, ever-living agent,
who being in all places, is more able by His will to
move the bodies within His boundless uniform
sensorium, and thereby to form and reform the parts of
the Universe, than we are by our will to move the parts
of our own bodies. And yet we are not to consider the
world as the body of God, or the several parts thereof as
the parts of God. He is a uniform Being, void of organs,
members or parts, and they are his creatures subordinate
to him, and subservient to His will; ....
If there's a talk.alchemy, you should post this link there:
http://www.alchemylab.com/isaac_newton.htm
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| User: "There She Was Just A-Clayton Down The Street..." |
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25 Feb 2005 12:46:27 AM |
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"Bill Thompson" <billt61@ixnayontheamspayrgv.rr.com> wrote in message
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If there's a talk.alchemy, you should post this link there:
http://www.alchemylab.com/isaac_newton.htm
Newton the Alchemist
Sir Isaac Newton, the famous seventeenth-century mathematician and
scientist, though not generally known as an alchemist, practiced the art
with a passion. Though he wrote over a million words on the subject, after
his death in 1727, the Royal Society deemed that they were "not fit to be
printed." The papers were rediscovered in the middle of the twentieth
century and most scholars now concede that Newton was first an foremost an
alchemist. It is also becoming obvious that the inspiration for Newton's
laws of light and theory of gravity came from his alchemical work.
If one looks carefully, in the light of alchemical knowledge, at the
definitive biography, Sir Isaac Newton by J. W. V. Sullivan, it is quite
easy to realize the alchemical theories from which he was working. Sir
Arthur Eddington, in reviewing this book, says: "The science in which Newton
seems to have been chiefly interested, and on which he spent most of his
time was alchemy. He read widely and made innumerable experiments, entirely
without fruit so far as we know." One of his servants records: "He very
rarely went to bed until two or three of the clock, sometimes not till five
or six, lying about four or five hours, especially at springtime or autumn,
at which time he used to employ about six weeks in his laboratory, the fire
scarce going out night or day. What his aim might be I was unable to
penetrate into." The answer is that Newton's experiments were concerned with
nothing more or less than alchemy. (from Alchemy Rediscovered and Restored
by A. Cockren)
As a practicing alchemist, Newton spent days locked up in his laboratory,
and not a few have suggested that he finally succeeded in transmuting lead
into gold. Perhaps that explains one of the oddest things about his life. At
the height of his career, instead of accepting a professorship at Cambridge,
he was appointed Director of the Mint with the responsibility of securing
and accounting for England's repository of gold.
In fact, Newton -- the revered founder of modern science and the mechanistic
universe -- also ranks as one of the greatest spiritual alchemists of all
time. In his The Religion of Isaac Newton (Oxford 1974), F.E. Manuel
concluded: "The more Newton's theological and alchemical, chronological and
mythological work is examined as a whole corpus, set by the side of his
science, the more apparent it becomes that in his moments of grandeur he saw
himself as the last of the interpreters of God's will in actions, living on
the fulfillment of times."
The Hermetic Tradition
This view has become more accepted in recent years, as more of Newton's
private papers and alchemical treatises are being reexamined. "Like all
European alchemists from the Dark Ages to the beginning of the scientific
era and beyond," states Michael White in Isaac Newton:The Last Sorcerer
(Addison Wesley 1997), "Newton was motivated by a deep-rooted commitment to
the notion that alchemical wisdom extended back to ancient times. The
Hermetic tradition -- the body of alchemical knowledge -- was believed to
have originated in the mists of time and to have been given to humanity
through supernatural agents."
Newton's Translation of the Emerald Tablet
It is true without lying, certain and most true. That which is Below is like
that which is Above and that which is Above is like that which is Below to
do the miracles of the Only Thing. And as all things have been and arose
from One by the mediation of One, so all things have their birth from this
One Thing by adaptation. The Sun is its father; the Moon its mother; the
Wind hath carried it in its belly; the Earth is its nurse. The father of all
perfection in the whole world is here. Its force or power is entire if it be
converted into Earth. Separate the Earth from the Fire, the subtle from the
gross, sweetly with great industry. It ascends from the Earth to the Heavens
and again it descends to the Earth and receives the force of things superior
and inferior. By this means you shall have the glory of the whole world and
thereby all obscurity shall fly from you. Its force is above all force, for
it vanquishes every subtle thing and penetrates every solid thing. So was
the world created. From this are and do come admirable adaptations, whereof
the process is here in this. Hence am I called Hermes Trismegistus, having
the three parts of the philosophy of the whole world. That which I have said
of the operation of the Sun is accomplished and ended.
Newton on Keeping Alchemy Secret
Isaac Newton wrote fellow alchemist Robert Boyle a letter urging him to keep
"high silence" in publicly discussing the principles of alchemy. "Because
the way by the Mercurial principle may be impregnated has been thought fit
to be concealed by others that have know it," Newton wrote, "and therefore
may possibly be an inlet to something more noble that is not to be
communicated without immense damage to the world if there be any verity in
[the warning of the] Hermetic writers. There are other things besides the
transmutation of metals which none but they understand." According to B.J.T.
Dobbs in The Foundations of Newton's Alchemy (Cambridge University Press,
1984), "The fact that Newton never published a work on alchemy cannot be
taken to mean that he knew he had failed [at the Great Work]. On the
contrary, it probably means that he had enough success to think that he
might be on the track of something of fundamental importance and so had good
reason for keeping his 'high silence,' even though there is nothing to
indicate that he himself was searching for that mysterious "inlet to
something more noble."
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| User: "Tracy Hamilton" |
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25 Feb 2005 10:59:14 AM |
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"There She Was Just A-Clayton Down The Street..."
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com> wrote in message
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"Bill Thompson" <billt61@ixnayontheamspayrgv.rr.com> wrote in message
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If there's a talk.alchemy, you should post this link there:
http://www.alchemylab.com/isaac_newton.htm
[snip]
As a practicing alchemist, Newton spent days locked up in his laboratory,
and not a few have suggested that he finally succeeded in transmuting lead
into gold.
Unlike professional creationists, who have found a way to turn ***** into
gold.
[snip]
Tracy P. Hamilton
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| User: "Robert Weldon" |
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24 Feb 2005 06:48:34 PM |
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"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
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Newton, Sir Isaac. 1704. _Optics_ in _Great Books of the
Western World: 34: Newton Huygens_, Robert Maynard
Hutchins, editor in chief (USA: Encyclopaedia Britannica,
Inc., 1952), 619pp., 377-544. On 542:
And so must the uniformity in the bodies of animals,
they having generally a right and a left side shaped
alike, and on either side of their bodies two legs behind,
and either two arms, or two legs, or two wings before
upon their shoulders, and between their shoulders a neck
running down into a backbone, and a head upon it; and
in the head two ears, two eyes, a nose, a mouth, and a
tongue, alike situated. Also the first contrivance of
those very artificial parts of animals, the eyes, ears,
brain, muscles, heart, lungs, midriff, glands, larynx,
hands, wings, swimming bladders, natural spectacles,
and other organs of sense and motion; and the instinct of
brutes and insects can be the effect of nothing else than
the wisdom and skill of a powerful, ever-living agent,
who being in all places, is more able by His will to
move the bodies within His boundless uniform
sensorium, and thereby to form and reform the parts of
the Universe, than we are by our will to move the parts
of our own bodies. And yet we are not to consider the
world as the body of God, or the several parts thereof as
the parts of God. He is a uniform Being, void of organs,
members or parts, and they are his creatures subordinate
to him, and subservient to His will; ....
And?
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| User: "Andy Groves" |
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24 Feb 2005 06:56:15 PM |
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Robert Weldon wrote:
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:dford3-3877igF5kk9siU2@individual.net...
Newton, Sir Isaac. 1704. _Optics_ in _Great Books of the
Western World: 34: Newton Huygens_, Robert Maynard
Hutchins, editor in chief (USA: Encyclopaedia Britannica,
Inc., 1952), 619pp., 377-544. On 542:
And so must the uniformity in the bodies of animals,
they having generally a right and a left side shaped
alike, and on either side of their bodies two legs behind,
and either two arms, or two legs, or two wings before
upon their shoulders, and between their shoulders a neck
running down into a backbone, and a head upon it; and
in the head two ears, two eyes, a nose, a mouth, and a
tongue, alike situated. Also the first contrivance of
those very artificial parts of animals, the eyes, ears,
brain, muscles, heart, lungs, midriff, glands, larynx,
hands, wings, swimming bladders, natural spectacles,
and other organs of sense and motion; and the instinct of
brutes and insects can be the effect of nothing else than
the wisdom and skill of a powerful, ever-living agent,
who being in all places, is more able by His will to
move the bodies within His boundless uniform
sensorium, and thereby to form and reform the parts of
the Universe, than we are by our will to move the parts
of our own bodies. And yet we are not to consider the
world as the body of God, or the several parts thereof as
the parts of God. He is a uniform Being, void of organs,
members or parts, and they are his creatures subordinate
to him, and subservient to His will; ....
And?
Stand by for a quote about Darwin and the Holocaust.
Andy
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| User: "Sasha" |
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24 Feb 2005 07:08:23 PM |
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Not only is he quoting a 1704 source that has no bearing on anything,
that quote itself is from a 1954 encyclopedia.
Besides, wasn't Newton primarily remembered for his contributions to
Physics?
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| User: "R. Tang" |
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24 Feb 2005 08:40:09 PM |
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In article <1109293703.404359.125070@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Sasha <scironi@gmail.com> wrote:
Not only is he quoting a 1704 source that has no bearing on anything,
that quote itself is from a 1954 encyclopedia.
Typical Ford. Only an idiot thinks that citing Newton has any
bearing on evolution.
--
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-Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu, Artistic Director PC Theatre
- Editor, Asian American Theatre Revue [NEW URL][Yes, it IS new]
- http://www.aatrevue.com
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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25 Feb 2005 11:02:28 AM |
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On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:50:43 -0500, david ford <dford3@gl.umbc.edu>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Newton, Sir Isaac. 1704. _Optics_ in _Great Books of the
Western World: 34: Newton Huygens_, Robert Maynard
Hutchins, editor in chief (USA: Encyclopaedia Britannica,
Inc., 1952), 619pp., 377-544. On 542:
1. Newton was a mathematician and physicist, not a biologist. The
closest he came to biology was getting hit in the head with an apple.
2. At the time Newton lived, the theory of evolution was style a
century and a half away. Not surprising that he accepted some sort of
creation.
3. Do you have any sources that are a bit more recent?
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Grasshopper" |
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27 Feb 2005 08:53:57 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:02:28 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:50:43 -0500, david ford <dford3@gl.umbc.edu>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Newton, Sir Isaac. 1704. _Optics_ in _Great Books of the
Western World: 34: Newton Huygens_, Robert Maynard
Hutchins, editor in chief (USA: Encyclopaedia Britannica,
Inc., 1952), 619pp., 377-544. On 542:
1. Newton was a mathematician and physicist, not a biologist. The
closest he came to biology was getting hit in the head with an apple.
2. At the time Newton lived, the theory of evolution was style a
century and a half away. Not surprising that he accepted some sort of
creation.
3. Do you have any sources that are a bit more recent?
That reminds me of reading somewhere that apples used to fall UPWARDS and
SIDEWAYS
as well as downwards, but the genes for this behaviour were eventually
eliminated
because the seeds of these apples never reached any soil to germinate,
and thus
propagate.
--
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Just because it never happened doesn't mean it isn't true.
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| User: "Daniel Harper" |
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25 Feb 2005 12:33:57 AM |
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On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:50:43 -0500, david ford wrote:
Newton, Sir Isaac. 1704. _Optics_ in _Great Books of the Western World:
34: Newton Huygens_, Robert Maynard Hutchins, editor in chief (USA:
Encyclopaedia Britannica, Inc., 1952), 619pp., 377-544. On 542:
And so must the uniformity in the bodies of animals, they having
generally a right and a left side shaped alike, and on either side
of their bodies two legs behind, and either two arms, or two legs,
or two wings before upon their shoulders, and between their
shoulders a neck running down into a backbone, and a head upon it;
and
in the head two ears, two eyes, a nose, a mouth, and a tongue, alike
situated. Also the first contrivance of those very artificial parts
of animals, the eyes, ears, brain, muscles, heart, lungs, midriff,
glands, larynx, hands, wings, swimming bladders, natural spectacles,
and other organs of sense and motion; and the instinct of brutes and
insects can be the effect of nothing else than the wisdom and skill
of a powerful, ever-living agent, who being in all places, is more
able by His will to
move the bodies within His boundless uniform sensorium, and thereby
to form and reform the parts of the Universe, than we are by our
will to move the parts of our own bodies. And yet we are not to
consider the world as the body of God, or the several parts thereof
as the parts of God. He is a uniform Being, void of organs, members
or parts, and they are his creatures subordinate to him, and
subservient to His will; ....
Oh, david. Still putting forth fallacies -- everyone knows that ever since
Special Relativity, nobody needs to worship Newton's opinions anymore.
Sheesh.
Now, if Einstein had said it, then of course your argument would be
spot-on.
--
"In the Heart of Dixie" or "Slouching Towards Theocracy"
--Daniel Harper
(Insert my name and change terra to earth for email)
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| User: "Chris Thompson" |
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24 Feb 2005 08:18:59 PM |
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david ford <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in
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Yeah and Newton's DEAD. Lot of good being a creationist did for him.
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| User: "Pithecanthropus Erectus" |
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24 Feb 2005 07:10:03 PM |
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david ford wrote:
Newton, Sir Isaac. 1704. _Optics_ in _Great Books of the
Western World: 34: Newton Huygens_, Robert Maynard
Hutchins, editor in chief (USA: Encyclopaedia Britannica,
Inc., 1952), 619pp., 377-544. On 542:
You do know that Newton died long before the concept of evolution was
being investigated.
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| User: "Richard Forrest" |
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25 Feb 2005 12:15:44 PM |
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david ford wrote:
Newton, Sir Isaac. 1704. _Optics_ in _Great Books of the
Western World: 34: Newton Huygens_, Robert Maynard
Hutchins, editor in chief (USA: Encyclopaedia Britannica,
Inc., 1952), 619pp., 377-544. On 542:
And so must the uniformity in the bodies of animals,
they having generally a right and a left side shaped
alike, and on either side of their bodies two legs behind,
and either two arms, or two legs, or two wings before
upon their shoulders, and between their shoulders a neck
running down into a backbone, and a head upon it; and
in the head two ears, two eyes, a nose, a mouth, and a
tongue, alike situated. Also the first contrivance of
those very artificial parts of animals, the eyes, ears,
brain, muscles, heart, lungs, midriff, glands, larynx,
hands, wings, swimming bladders, natural spectacles,
and other organs of sense and motion; and the instinct of
brutes and insects can be the effect of nothing else than
the wisdom and skill of a powerful, ever-living agent,
who being in all places, is more able by His will to
move the bodies within His boundless uniform
sensorium, and thereby to form and reform the parts of
the Universe, than we are by our will to move the parts
of our own bodies. And yet we are not to consider the
world as the body of God, or the several parts thereof as
the parts of God. He is a uniform Being, void of organs,
members or parts, and they are his creatures subordinate
to him, and subservient to His will; ....
Here's something as relevant to the forum as your posting:
Jorruline
Risto Järv
Väljas vaikne praeline,
libavaida sugrusida
uherles ja vurles kehus,
olid härmetud hugudrud,
viugusivad kaustjad karvid.
"Jookse, poega, Jorrulisest,
kihval kisub, küünel kraabib,
lenda Lag-Lag linnu eesta,
vihkjast Viiruvilbusesta!"
Mõistis poega tähist mõõka,
taples tüki tule mehi,
sädemete saare mehi,
siisap puhuks puhkamaie
peatus alla Pum-Pum puie.
Pidas aru sürgel silmil û
kuulis laanest uhinada
nägi silmi sütttivada,
tuli tõrmav Jorruline.
Siuh! ja säuh! sääl mõõtis mõõka,
tükiks täkkis, surnuks sakkis,
koolja peaga poega pöördus
hõissidessa kodoje.
"Jõle Jorruline surnud?
Tule, kallis erav poega!
Suurväärt päev! Hurah! Huruh!"
rohkes rõõmus rõkerdas ta.
Väljas vaikne praeliune,
libavaida sugrusida
uherles ja vurles kehus,
olid härmetud hugudrud,
viugusivad kaustjad karvid.
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| User: "Victor Purinton" |
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25 Feb 2005 11:58:56 AM |
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david ford wrote:
Newton, Sir Isaac. 1704. _Optics_ in _Great Books of the
Western World: 34: Newton Huygens_, Robert Maynard
Hutchins, editor in chief (USA: Encyclopaedia Britannica,
Inc., 1952), 619pp., 377-544. On 542:
And so must the uniformity in the bodies of animals,
they having generally a right and a left side shaped
alike, and on either side of their bodies two legs behind,
and either two arms, or two legs, or two wings before
upon their shoulders, and between their shoulders a neck
running down into a backbone, and a head upon it; and
in the head two ears, two eyes, a nose, a mouth, and a
tongue, alike situated. Also the first contrivance of
those very artificial parts of animals, the eyes, ears,
brain, muscles, heart, lungs, midriff, glands, larynx,
hands, wings, swimming bladders, natural spectacles,
and other organs of sense and motion; and the instinct of
brutes and insects can be the effect of nothing else than
the wisdom and skill of a powerful, ever-living agent,
who being in all places, is more able by His will to
move the bodies within His boundless uniform
sensorium, and thereby to form and reform the parts of
the Universe, than we are by our will to move the parts
of our own bodies. And yet we are not to consider the
world as the body of God, or the several parts thereof as
the parts of God. He is a uniform Being, void of organs,
members or parts, and they are his creatures subordinate
to him, and subservient to His will; ....
This is cutting edge stuff in Kansas.
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| User: "bob young" |
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25 Feb 2005 08:01:59 PM |
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david ford wrote:
Newton, Sir Isaac. 1704. _Optics_ in _Great Books of the
Western World: 34: Newton Huygens_, Robert Maynard
Hutchins, editor in chief (USA: Encyclopaedia Britannica,
Inc., 1952), 619pp., 377-544. On 542:
And so must the uniformity in the bodies of animals,
they having generally a right and a left side shaped
alike, and on either side of their bodies two legs behind,
and either two arms, or two legs, or two wings before
upon their shoulders, and between their shoulders a neck
running down into a backbone, and a head upon it; and
Newton, a brilliant scientist steeped in the religion of his time.
a very bad mixture
in the head two ears, two eyes, a nose, a mouth, and a
tongue, alike situated. Also the first contrivance of
those very artificial parts of animals, the eyes, ears,
brain, muscles, heart, lungs, midriff, glands, larynx,
hands, wings, swimming bladders, natural spectacles,
and other organs of sense and motion; and the instinct of
brutes and insects can be the effect of nothing else than
the wisdom and skill of a powerful, ever-living agent,
who being in all places, is more able by His will to
move the bodies within His boundless uniform
sensorium, and thereby to form and reform the parts of
the Universe, than we are by our will to move the parts
of our own bodies. And yet we are not to consider the
world as the body of God, or the several parts thereof as
the parts of God. He is a uniform Being, void of organs,
members or parts, and they are his creatures subordinate
to him, and subservient to His will; ....
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