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29 Mar 2005 08:58:32 AM |
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Next pope is set to be another conservative |
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1446336,00.h
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http://tinyurl.com/5j4gb
Next pope is set to be another conservative
Traditionalists close ranks to ensure their grip on church will endure
Jamie Doward, religious affairs correspondent
Sunday March 27, 2005
The Observer
It is a question being asked with ever greater urgency in the upper
echelons of the Roman Catholic hierarchy: to what extent will Pope
John Paul II's legacy to the church be a clone of himself?
As the world watches the pain-racked pontiff's superhuman attempts to
remain as spiritual head of more than a billion Christians, his most
loyal lieutenants are closing ranks to ensure that his conservative
philosophy continues to hold sway. A cabal of aides, some of whom have
been with him since his earliest days, guard access to the Pope's
apartment and disseminate the line that the pointiff is still very
much in charge. A handful of spiritual allies fulfil his duties during
Easter week and help stage-manage his brief appearances.
The pontiff's inability to attend any of the Holy Week events has
given them an added poignancy that has invited comparisons with the
suffering of Christ. 'It's obvious that the Pope is carrying a very
heavy cross indeed, and he is giving a marvellous example of patience
in the face of suffering,' said US Archbishop John Foley.
But the Pope's suffering has prompted speculation over the direction
in which his successor will take the church. As pressure mounts for a
modernising Pope - prepared to brook discussion on female priests,
celibacy and contraception - conservatives are battling to keep their
authority. They want to preserve the centralised structure established
by John Paul II.
The conservatives know they have statistics on their side. The fact
that 97 per cent of the 120 cardinals who will be eligible to vote for
the pontiff's successor were appointed by John Paul II himself makes
it almost inconceivable that a moderniser will become the next Pope.
They were also reassured by the Pope's recent decision to entrust the
German Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, a hardline conservative, with
composing this year's Good Friday meditation. Ratzinger is head of the
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the church's chief think
tank, which has dominated discussions on sexual morality and birth
control, and prevented liberals from gaining ground.
'Christ suffers in his own church,' Ratzinger wrote in the
meditations, which were approved by John Paul II. Ratzinger used the
meditations to describe the 'falling of many Christians away from
Christ into a godless secularism', which some have taken as a
reference to the church's need to emphasise its conservative values in
a modern age.
Ratzinger, 78, is one of the few members of John Paul II's inner
circle considered 'papabile' - a cardinal who could become the next
Pope - but he is viewed as a long shot.
Claims about who will succeed should be treated with caution. In 1978,
the year John Paul II was elected, a book entitled Which Pope? came
out, listing the favourites with no mention of John Paul II.
Nevertheless, the smart money is going on the College of Cardinals
appointing the first 'third-world Pope', chiefly as a response to
shifting demographics within the church. Since John Paul II became
Pope, the church in the northern hemisphere has lost followers while
the south has gained. Today nearly 65 per cent of Catholics live in
Africa, Asia and Latin America.
With the college's inherent bias firmly stacked in favour of cardinals
from the southern hemisphere, Vatican watchers believe the most likely
candidate will be Cardinal Francis Arinze, 72, of Nigeria. He would be
the first black African pontiff since Gelasius I (492-496). Arinze is
said to take a hardline position on abortion and contraception and
denounces homosexuality. Other third world favourites are Cardinal
Oscar Rodríguez, 62, from Honduras, who teamed up with Bono to
campaign against third world debt, and Cardinal Claudio Hummes of
Brazil.
However, some senior members of the hierarchy fear that, with
Christianity's influence on the wane in the West, there is a powerful
need for a European Pope to be appointed to arrest decline.
One name mentioned is 71-year-old Cardinal Godfried Danneels of
Brussels, but he is thought too liberal. Meanwhile, the more
conservative members of the European camp admire 58-year-old Cardinal
Christoph Schonborn of Vienna. Schonborn, though, suffers from his
relative youth. John Paul II has served more than double the length of
time of the average papacy, and the cardinals believe the next Pope
should not be in the role for so long. The present Pope's longevity
has meant he has been able to shore up his power base by surrounding
himself with the like-minded.
It has meant that, even when his health has been ravaged by
Parkinson's and related breathing problems, the Pope's position has
been unassailable, his invisible hold over the church, if anything,
strengthened by his suffering.
'What's important in my mind is to see that the church functions.
Nothing has stopped,' said André Vingt-Trois, the Archbishop of Paris,
emphasising that the Pope is still very much in charge. Indeed he is.
Regardless of who succeeds him, long after John Paul II has died, his
influence will linger.
--
epicurus1*at*optusnet*dot*com*dot*au
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
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29 Mar 2005 04:56:27 PM |
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"Meteorite Debris" <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cb3aea6735736e798a0c3@news.optusnet.com.au...
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1446336,00.h
tml
http://tinyurl.com/5j4gb
Next pope is set to be another conservative
Traditionalists close ranks to ensure their grip on church will endure
Jamie Doward, religious affairs correspondent
Sunday March 27, 2005
The Observer
It is a question being asked with ever greater urgency in the upper
echelons of the Roman Catholic hierarchy: to what extent will Pope
John Paul II's legacy to the church be a clone of himself?
As the world watches the pain-racked pontiff's superhuman attempts to
remain as spiritual head of more than a billion Christians, his most
loyal lieutenants are closing ranks to ensure that his conservative
philosophy continues to hold sway. A cabal of aides, some of whom have
been with him since his earliest days, guard access to the Pope's
apartment and disseminate the line that the pointiff is still very
much in charge. A handful of spiritual allies fulfil his duties during
Easter week and help stage-manage his brief appearances.
The pontiff's inability to attend any of the Holy Week events has
given them an added poignancy that has invited comparisons with the
suffering of Christ. 'It's obvious that the Pope is carrying a very
heavy cross indeed, and he is giving a marvellous example of patience
in the face of suffering,' said US Archbishop John Foley.
Conservative popes are better tourist attractions.
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30 Mar 2005 07:42:46 AM |
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In article <MPG.1cb3aea6735736e798a0c3@news.optusnet.com.au>,
Meteorite Debris <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1446336,00.h
tml
http://tinyurl.com/5j4gb
Next pope is set to be another conservative
Traditionalists close ranks to ensure their grip on church will endure
Jamie Doward, religious affairs correspondent
Sunday March 27, 2005
The Observer
It is a question being asked with ever greater urgency in the upper
echelons of the Roman Catholic hierarchy: to what extent will Pope
John Paul II's legacy to the church be a clone of himself?
As the world watches the pain-racked pontiff's superhuman attempts to
remain as spiritual head of more than a billion Christians, his most
loyal lieutenants are closing ranks to ensure that his conservative
philosophy continues to hold sway. A cabal of aides, some of whom have
been with him since his earliest days, guard access to the Pope's
apartment and disseminate the line that the pointiff is still very
much in charge. A handful of spiritual allies fulfil his duties during
Easter week and help stage-manage his brief appearances.
The pontiff's inability to attend any of the Holy Week events has
given them an added poignancy that has invited comparisons with the
suffering of Christ. 'It's obvious that the Pope is carrying a very
heavy cross indeed, and he is giving a marvellous example of patience
in the face of suffering,' said US Archbishop John Foley.
But the Pope's suffering has prompted speculation over the direction
in which his successor will take the church. As pressure mounts for a
modernising Pope - prepared to brook discussion on female priests,
celibacy and contraception - conservatives are battling to keep their
authority. They want to preserve the centralised structure established
by John Paul II.
The conservatives know they have statistics on their side. The fact
that 97 per cent of the 120 cardinals who will be eligible to vote for
the pontiff's successor were appointed by John Paul II himself makes
it almost inconceivable that a moderniser will become the next Pope.
They were also reassured by the Pope's recent decision to entrust the
German Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, a hardline conservative, with
composing this year's Good Friday meditation. Ratzinger is head of the
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the church's chief think
tank, which has dominated discussions on sexual morality and birth
control, and prevented liberals from gaining ground.
FWIW, the 'Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith' Used to be called
the 'Holy Office' which was was better known as The Inquisition.
'Christ suffers in his own church,' Ratzinger wrote in the
meditations, which were approved by John Paul II. Ratzinger used the
meditations to describe the 'falling of many Christians away from
Christ into a godless secularism', which some have taken as a
reference to the church's need to emphasise its conservative values in
a modern age.
Ratzinger, 78, is one of the few members of John Paul II's inner
circle considered 'papabile' - a cardinal who could become the next
Pope - but he is viewed as a long shot.
Claims about who will succeed should be treated with caution. In 1978,
the year John Paul II was elected, a book entitled Which Pope? came
out, listing the favourites with no mention of John Paul II.
Nevertheless, the smart money is going on the College of Cardinals
appointing the first 'third-world Pope', chiefly as a response to
shifting demographics within the church. Since John Paul II became
Pope, the church in the northern hemisphere has lost followers while
the south has gained. Today nearly 65 per cent of Catholics live in
Africa, Asia and Latin America.
With the college's inherent bias firmly stacked in favour of cardinals
from the southern hemisphere, Vatican watchers believe the most likely
candidate will be Cardinal Francis Arinze, 72, of Nigeria. He would be
the first black African pontiff since Gelasius I (492-496). Arinze is
said to take a hardline position on abortion and contraception and
denounces homosexuality. Other third world favourites are Cardinal
Oscar Rodríguez, 62, from Honduras, who teamed up with Bono to
campaign against third world debt, and Cardinal Claudio Hummes of
Brazil.
However, some senior members of the hierarchy fear that, with
Christianity's influence on the wane in the West, there is a powerful
need for a European Pope to be appointed to arrest decline.
One name mentioned is 71-year-old Cardinal Godfried Danneels of
Brussels, but he is thought too liberal. Meanwhile, the more
conservative members of the European camp admire 58-year-old Cardinal
Christoph Schonborn of Vienna. Schonborn, though, suffers from his
relative youth. John Paul II has served more than double the length of
time of the average papacy, and the cardinals believe the next Pope
should not be in the role for so long. The present Pope's longevity
has meant he has been able to shore up his power base by surrounding
himself with the like-minded.
It has meant that, even when his health has been ravaged by
Parkinson's and related breathing problems, the Pope's position has
been unassailable, his invisible hold over the church, if anything,
strengthened by his suffering.
'What's important in my mind is to see that the church functions.
Nothing has stopped,' said André Vingt-Trois, the Archbishop of Paris,
emphasising that the Pope is still very much in charge. Indeed he is.
Regardless of who succeeds him, long after John Paul II has died, his
influence will linger.
I'm sure that it will be a conservative. Many of the old timers haven't
gotten over John XXIII.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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29 Mar 2005 03:23:31 PM |
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Meteorite Debris wrote:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1446336,00.h
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http://tinyurl.com/5j4gb
Next pope is set to be another conservative
This is news?
jwk
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29 Mar 2005 04:03:34 PM |
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In article <1112109811.171743.327090@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com says...
Meteorite Debris wrote:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1446336,00.h
tml
http://tinyurl.com/5j4gb
Next pope is set to be another conservative
This is news?
jwk
LOL, after the present pope putting all the Cardinals in their
positions, to's a lock that they would pick one of their own. A couple
of my catholic friends are about ready to pull the plug and switch to
something else. Reality? No, but they don't want to be RC anymore..
BDK
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30 Mar 2005 12:23:37 AM |
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On 29 Mar 2005 07:23:31 -0800, "jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Meteorite Debris wrote:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1446336,00.h
tml
http://tinyurl.com/5j4gb
Next pope is set to be another conservative
This is news?
In a way, yes. This pope was elected as anything but conservative: the
first non Italian, and youngest pope in centuries.
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30 Mar 2005 03:06:37 AM |
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"Jos Flachs" <"wcruise"@ksc15.th.com> wrote in message
news:2asj41t175hkioldjuqd8doeq14ii0ou8r@4ax.com...
On 29 Mar 2005 07:23:31 -0800, "jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Meteorite Debris wrote:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1446336,00.h
tml
http://tinyurl.com/5j4gb
Next pope is set to be another conservative
This is news?
In a way, yes. This pope was elected as anything but conservative: the
first non Italian, and youngest pope in centuries.
Wasn't that the pope bfore this one - the one who died under
mysterious circumstances (i.e., he was too liberal)?
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31 Mar 2005 06:00:14 AM |
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:06:37 -0500 the ET form known as Michelle
Malkin<hypatiab7@comcast.net> sent a radio signal across the vast
expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
"Jos Flachs" <"wcruise"@ksc15.th.com> wrote in message
news:2asj41t175hkioldjuqd8doeq14ii0ou8r@4ax.com...
On 29 Mar 2005 07:23:31 -0800, "jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Meteorite Debris wrote:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1446336,00.h
tml
http://tinyurl.com/5j4gb
Next pope is set to be another conservative
This is news?
In a way, yes. This pope was elected as anything but conservative: the
first non Italian, and youngest pope in centuries.
Wasn't that the pope bfore this one - the one who died under
mysterious circumstances (i.e., he was too liberal)?
John Paul I
From [http://www.fiu.edu/~mirandas/bios-l.htm#Luciani]
LUCIANI, Albino (1912-1978)
Birth. October 17, 1912, Forno di Canale (currently Canale d'Argordo),
diocese of Belluno e Feltre, Italy. Son of Giovanni Luciani and
Bortola Tancon. Was baptized the same day at home, by the midwife, as
he was in danger of death. Baptism was formalized in the church by the
curate, Don Achille Ronzon, October 19, 1912. Received the sacrament
of confirmation on September 26, 1919, from Bishop Giosuč Cattarossi
of Belluno e Feltre.
Education. Initial studies, elementary school, Forno di Canale, from
October 1918; Seminary of Feltre, Feltre; Gregorian Seminary of
Belluno, Belluno; Pontifical Gregorian University, Rome (doctorate in
theology, February 27, 1947; thesis: The origin of the human soul
according to Antonio Rosmini).
Priesthood. Ordained, July 7, 1935, Belluno. Pastoral work in diocese
of Belluno, faculty member and vice-rector of its seminary, 1937-1947.
Secretary of the interdiocesan synod of Feltre and Belluno, 1948. Pro-
vicar general of Belluno, 1948-1954; vicar general, 1954-1958.
Episcopate. Elected bishop of Vittorio Veneto, December 15, 1958.
Consecrated, December 27, 1958, Rome, by Pope John XXIII. Attended the
II Vatican Council, 1962-1965. Promoted to the patriarchal see of
Venice, December 15, 1969. Attended the II Ordinary Assembly of the
World Synod of Bishops, Vatican City, September 30-November 6, 1971.
Host to Pope Paul VI during the papal visit to Venice, September 15,
1972.
Cardinalate. Created cardinal priest in the consistory of March 5,
1973; received the red biretta and the title of S. Marco, March 5,
1973. Attended the III Ordinary Assembly of the World Synod of
Bishops, Vatican City, September 27 to October 26, 1974; IV Ordinary
Assembly of the World Synod of Bishops, Vatican City, September 30-
October 29, 1977. Participated in the conclave of August 25-26, 1978.
Was elected pope.
Papacy. Elected, August 26, 1978. Took the name John Paul I.
Inauguration of the pontificate, September 3, 1978; received pallium
from Cardinal Pericle Felici, protodeacon of S. Apollinare.
Death. September 28, 1978, Vatican City. Buried, grotto, Vatican
basilica.
Baatification. On June 17, 2003, Pope John Paul II authorized the
opening, at diocesan level, of the process for his beatification. Rev.
Pasquale Liberatore, S.D.B., general postulator of the Salesians,
announced that the cause of beatification will start on November 23,
2003, feast of Christ the King, in the cathedral of Belluno, diocese
of origin of the pope. Fr. Liberatore was charged to follow the cause
by Vincenzo Savio, S.D.B., bishop of Belluno. The diocesan phase of
the cause of beatification of John Paul I opened Sunday, November 23,
2003, in the cathedral of Belluno, in the presence of Cardinal José
Saraiva Martins, prefect of the Congregation for the Causes of the
Saints.
***
His bio
[http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_i/biography/documents/hf_
jp-i_bio_01021997_biography_en.html]
http://tinyurl.com/3rta7
Photo, arms and documents
[http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_i/index.htm]
--
epicurus1*at*optusnet*dot*com*dot*au
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
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31 Mar 2005 06:19:45 AM |
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"Meteorite Debris" <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:06:37 -0500 the ET form known as Michelle
Malkin<hypatiab7@comcast.net> sent a radio signal across the vast
expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
"Jos Flachs" <"wcruise"@ksc15.th.com> wrote in message
news:2asj41t175hkioldjuqd8doeq14ii0ou8r@4ax.com...
On 29 Mar 2005 07:23:31 -0800, "jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Meteorite Debris wrote:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1446336,00.h
tml
http://tinyurl.com/5j4gb
Next pope is set to be another conservative
This is news?
In a way, yes. This pope was elected as anything but conservative: the
first non Italian, and youngest pope in centuries.
Wasn't that the pope bfore this one - the one who died under
mysterious circumstances (i.e., he was too liberal)?
John Paul I
From [http://www.fiu.edu/~mirandas/bios-l.htm#Luciani]
LUCIANI, Albino (1912-1978)
Birth. October 17, 1912, Forno di Canale (currently Canale d'Argordo),
diocese of Belluno e Feltre, Italy. Son of Giovanni Luciani and
Bortola Tancon. Was baptized the same day at home, by the midwife, as
he was in danger of death. Baptism was formalized in the church by the
curate, Don Achille Ronzon, October 19, 1912. Received the sacrament
of confirmation on September 26, 1919, from Bishop Giosuč Cattarossi
of Belluno e Feltre.
Education. Initial studies, elementary school, Forno di Canale, from
October 1918; Seminary of Feltre, Feltre; Gregorian Seminary of
Belluno, Belluno; Pontifical Gregorian University, Rome (doctorate in
theology, February 27, 1947; thesis: The origin of the human soul
according to Antonio Rosmini).
Priesthood. Ordained, July 7, 1935, Belluno. Pastoral work in diocese
of Belluno, faculty member and vice-rector of its seminary, 1937-1947.
Secretary of the interdiocesan synod of Feltre and Belluno, 1948. Pro-
vicar general of Belluno, 1948-1954; vicar general, 1954-1958.
Episcopate. Elected bishop of Vittorio Veneto, December 15, 1958.
Consecrated, December 27, 1958, Rome, by Pope John XXIII. Attended the
II Vatican Council, 1962-1965. Promoted to the patriarchal see of
Venice, December 15, 1969. Attended the II Ordinary Assembly of the
World Synod of Bishops, Vatican City, September 30-November 6, 1971.
Host to Pope Paul VI during the papal visit to Venice, September 15,
1972.
Cardinalate. Created cardinal priest in the consistory of March 5,
1973; received the red biretta and the title of S. Marco, March 5,
1973. Attended the III Ordinary Assembly of the World Synod of
Bishops, Vatican City, September 27 to October 26, 1974; IV Ordinary
Assembly of the World Synod of Bishops, Vatican City, September 30-
October 29, 1977. Participated in the conclave of August 25-26, 1978.
Was elected pope.
Papacy. Elected, August 26, 1978. Took the name John Paul I.
Inauguration of the pontificate, September 3, 1978; received pallium
from Cardinal Pericle Felici, protodeacon of S. Apollinare.
Death. September 28, 1978, Vatican City. Buried, grotto, Vatican
basilica.
Baatification. On June 17, 2003, Pope John Paul II authorized the
opening, at diocesan level, of the process for his beatification. Rev.
Pasquale Liberatore, S.D.B., general postulator of the Salesians,
announced that the cause of beatification will start on November 23,
2003, feast of Christ the King, in the cathedral of Belluno, diocese
of origin of the pope. Fr. Liberatore was charged to follow the cause
by Vincenzo Savio, S.D.B., bishop of Belluno. The diocesan phase of
the cause of beatification of John Paul I opened Sunday, November 23,
2003, in the cathedral of Belluno, in the presence of Cardinal José
Saraiva Martins, prefect of the Congregation for the Causes of the
Saints.
***
His bio
[http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_i/biography/documents/hf_
jp-i_bio_01021997_biography_en.html]
http://tinyurl.com/3rta7
Thank you.
Photo, arms and documents
[http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_i/index.htm]
--
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30 Mar 2005 07:37:19 AM |
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In article <2asj41t175hkioldjuqd8doeq14ii0ou8r@4ax.com>,
Jos Flachs <"wcruise"@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
On 29 Mar 2005 07:23:31 -0800, "jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Meteorite Debris wrote:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1446336,00.h
tml
http://tinyurl.com/5j4gb
Next pope is set to be another conservative
This is news?
In a way, yes. This pope was elected as anything but conservative: the
first non Italian, and youngest pope in centuries.
JP2 was the first pope from Poland, but he was hardly the first
non-Italian pope:
http://www.stuardtclarkesrome.com/pontiffs.html
There's some loose talk that the next pope might be from Latin America,
or possibly from Africa.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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30 Mar 2005 12:24:04 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 23:37:19 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <2asj41t175hkioldjuqd8doeq14ii0ou8r@4ax.com>,
Jos Flachs <"wcruise"@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
On 29 Mar 2005 07:23:31 -0800, "jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Meteorite Debris wrote:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1446336,00.h
tml
http://tinyurl.com/5j4gb
Next pope is set to be another conservative
This is news?
In a way, yes. This pope was elected as anything but conservative: the
first non Italian, and youngest pope in centuries.
JP2 was the first pope from Poland, but he was hardly the first
non-Italian pope:
Fully agree with you. There was even a Dutch pope! (I think he got
eliminated, pardon my English, his term in office was prematurely
ended, because he was a wee bit to austere for the curia.)
If I recall correctly he was the last non Italian pope, and that was
about 500 years ago.
Give or take a few anti and anti anti popes.
http://www.stuardtclarkesrome.com/pontiffs.html
There's some loose talk that the next pope might be from Latin America,
or possibly from Africa.
Oh, those rumours you hear always. Cardinal Alferink (a Dutch guy)
used to be always a runner up and never make it to the second round.
I'm not a betting man, but if you ask me about chances:
65% chance the next one is an Italian.
<5% he is a non European
<1% he is black African
<0% she is a woman.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Next pope is set to be another conservative |
31 Mar 2005 06:52:32 AM |
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In article <9h0l419nu49k3ujibhum3be1o51ftthb3h@4ax.com>,
Jos Flachs <"wcruise"@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 23:37:19 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <2asj41t175hkioldjuqd8doeq14ii0ou8r@4ax.com>,
Jos Flachs <"wcruise"@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
On 29 Mar 2005 07:23:31 -0800, "jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Meteorite Debris wrote:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1446336,00.h
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http://tinyurl.com/5j4gb
Next pope is set to be another conservative
This is news?
In a way, yes. This pope was elected as anything but conservative: the
first non Italian, and youngest pope in centuries.
JP2 was the first pope from Poland, but he was hardly the first
non-Italian pope:
Fully agree with you. There was even a Dutch pope! (I think he got
eliminated, pardon my English, his term in office was prematurely
ended, because he was a wee bit to austere for the curia.)
If I recall correctly he was the last non Italian pope, and that was
about 500 years ago.
Give or take a few anti and anti anti popes.
http://www.stuardtclarkesrome.com/pontiffs.html
There's some loose talk that the next pope might be from Latin America,
or possibly from Africa.
Oh, those rumours you hear always. Cardinal Alferink (a Dutch guy)
used to be always a runner up and never make it to the second round.
I'm not a betting man, but if you ask me about chances:
65% chance the next one is an Italian.
<5% he is a non European
<1% he is black African
<0% she is a woman.
My money is on the cardinal from the Philippines, Cardinal Sin. How
appropriate! Seriously, I'm not so sure about the country, but almost
certainly the next Pope will be a conservative.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "jwk" |
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30 Mar 2005 03:35:01 PM |
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Jos Flachs wrote:
On 29 Mar 2005 07:23:31 -0800, "jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Meteorite Debris wrote:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1446336,00.h
tml
http://tinyurl.com/5j4gb
Next pope is set to be another conservative
This is news?
In a way, yes. This pope was elected as anything but conservative:
the
first non Italian, and youngest pope in centuries.
He was still a Catholic priest. And his directives have been anything
but liberal.
jwk
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Next pope is set to be another conservative |
30 Mar 2005 01:34:20 AM |
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Jos Flachs" <"wcruise wrote:
On 29 Mar 2005 07:23:31 -0800, "jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Meteorite Debris wrote:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1446336,00.h
tml
http://tinyurl.com/5j4gb
Next pope is set to be another conservative
This is news?
In a way, yes. This pope was elected as anything but conservative: the
first non Italian, and youngest pope in centuries.
Come on now. Be fair. The Catholics never lie, especially to kids and they
taught me that god picks the pope and it can be anyone. Well any man.
I'm running for pope. Remember a vote for me, is a vote for condoms,
marriage among the priests, female priests and a cardinals position if you
are a big supporter.
Allowing birth control will definitely be ex-cathedra.
Red robes and fancy hats are optional.
Smaller supporters can have parishes of their own if they wish. There seem
to be a lot of them available.
New Plank
In any country where church land is exempt from taxation, the church will
impose it's own taxation on their land and will donate that money directly
to feeding the poor and caring for the sick.
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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30 Mar 2005 03:40:27 AM |
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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 01:34:20 GMT the ET form known as Mike
Painter<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> sent a radio signal across the
vast expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
Jos Flachs" <"wcruise wrote:
On 29 Mar 2005 07:23:31 -0800, "jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Meteorite Debris wrote:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1446336,00.h
tml
http://tinyurl.com/5j4gb
Next pope is set to be another conservative
This is news?
In a way, yes. This pope was elected as anything but conservative: the
first non Italian, and youngest pope in centuries.
Come on now. Be fair. The Catholics never lie, especially to kids and they
taught me that god picks the pope and it can be anyone. Well any man.
I'm running for pope. Remember a vote for me, is a vote for condoms,
marriage among the priests, female priests and a cardinals position if you
are a big supporter.
Allowing birth control will definitely be ex-cathedra.
Red robes and fancy hats are optional.
Smaller supporters can have parishes of their own if they wish. There seem
to be a lot of them available.
New Plank
In any country where church land is exempt from taxation, the church will
impose it's own taxation on their land and will donate that money directly
to feeding the poor and caring for the sick.
You have my vote. Now I have to find a red robe somewhere and book a
ticket to Rome. What name will you choose?
--
epicurus1*at*optusnet*dot*com*dot*au
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Next pope is set to be another conservative |
30 Mar 2005 04:56:33 AM |
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Meteorite Debris wrote:
Come on now. Be fair. The Catholics never lie, especially to kids
and they taught me that god picks the pope and it can be anyone.
Well any man.
I'm running for pope. Remember a vote for me, is a vote for condoms,
marriage among the priests, female priests and a cardinals position
if you are a big supporter.
Allowing birth control will definitely be ex-cathedra.
Red robes and fancy hats are optional.
Smaller supporters can have parishes of their own if they wish.
There seem to be a lot of them available.
New Plank
In any country where church land is exempt from taxation, the church
will impose it's own taxation on their land and will donate that
money directly to feeding the poor and caring for the sick.
You have my vote. Now I have to find a red robe somewhere and book a
ticket to Rome. What name will you choose?
I've had several ideas
Pope epop is tempting.
Another idea just hit.
I will be pope Omega and will speak ex-cathedra stating that I am the last
pope until the second coming.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Next pope is set to be another conservative |
01 Apr 2005 06:23:17 AM |
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In article <5kq2e.16985$C47.1016@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>,
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Meteorite Debris wrote:
Come on now. Be fair. The Catholics never lie, especially to kids
and they taught me that god picks the pope and it can be anyone.
Well any man.
I'm running for pope. Remember a vote for me, is a vote for condoms,
marriage among the priests, female priests and a cardinals position
if you are a big supporter.
Allowing birth control will definitely be ex-cathedra.
Red robes and fancy hats are optional.
Smaller supporters can have parishes of their own if they wish.
There seem to be a lot of them available.
New Plank
In any country where church land is exempt from taxation, the church
will impose it's own taxation on their land and will donate that
money directly to feeding the poor and caring for the sick.
You have my vote. Now I have to find a red robe somewhere and book a
ticket to Rome. What name will you choose?
I've had several ideas
Pope epop is tempting.
Another idea just hit.
I will be pope Omega and will speak ex-cathedra stating that I am the last
pope until the second coming.
I would choose Pope Impious I and my first and last ex-cathedra
pronouncement would be the dissolution of the RCC.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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| Title: Re: Next pope is set to be another conservative |
01 Apr 2005 06:57:29 AM |
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:23:17 -0800 the ET form known as
johac<jhachm@ixpres.com> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse
of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
In article <5kq2e.16985$C47.1016@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>,
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Meteorite Debris wrote:
Come on now. Be fair. The Catholics never lie, especially to kids
and they taught me that god picks the pope and it can be anyone.
Well any man.
I'm running for pope. Remember a vote for me, is a vote for condoms,
marriage among the priests, female priests and a cardinals position
if you are a big supporter.
Allowing birth control will definitely be ex-cathedra.
Red robes and fancy hats are optional.
Smaller supporters can have parishes of their own if they wish.
There seem to be a lot of them available.
New Plank
In any country where church land is exempt from taxation, the church
will impose it's own taxation on their land and will donate that
money directly to feeding the poor and caring for the sick.
You have my vote. Now I have to find a red robe somewhere and book a
ticket to Rome. What name will you choose?
I've had several ideas
Pope epop is tempting.
Another idea just hit.
I will be pope Omega and will speak ex-cathedra stating that I am the last
pope until the second coming.
I would choose Pope Impious I and my first and last ex-cathedra
pronouncement would be the dissolution of the RCC.
If you want to take 2 names like JP one possibility is Pope Innocent
Judas I. A challenging name and challenging statement in one.
--
epicurus1*at*optusnet*dot*com*dot*au
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Next pope is set to be another conservative |
03 Apr 2005 06:47:59 AM |
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In article <MPG.1cb786c72327571998a0d8@news.optusnet.com.au>,
Meteorite Debris <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:23:17 -0800 the ET form known as
johac<jhachm@ixpres.com> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse
of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
In article <5kq2e.16985$C47.1016@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>,
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Meteorite Debris wrote:
Come on now. Be fair. The Catholics never lie, especially to kids
and they taught me that god picks the pope and it can be anyone.
Well any man.
I'm running for pope. Remember a vote for me, is a vote for condoms,
marriage among the priests, female priests and a cardinals position
if you are a big supporter.
Allowing birth control will definitely be ex-cathedra.
Red robes and fancy hats are optional.
Smaller supporters can have parishes of their own if they wish.
There seem to be a lot of them available.
New Plank
In any country where church land is exempt from taxation, the church
will impose it's own taxation on their land and will donate that
money directly to feeding the poor and caring for the sick.
You have my vote. Now I have to find a red robe somewhere and book a
ticket to Rome. What name will you choose?
I've had several ideas
Pope epop is tempting.
Another idea just hit.
I will be pope Omega and will speak ex-cathedra stating that I am the
last
pope until the second coming.
I would choose Pope Impious I and my first and last ex-cathedra
pronouncement would be the dissolution of the RCC.
If you want to take 2 names like JP one possibility is Pope Innocent
Judas I. A challenging name and challenging statement in one.
Now that's a good one. Or even Pope Judas alone would give them hissy
fits.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Next pope is set to be another conservative |
29 Mar 2005 02:18:50 PM |
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Meteorite Debris wrote:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1446336,00.h
tml
http://tinyurl.com/5j4gb
Next pope is set to be another conservative
Traditionalists close ranks to ensure their grip on church will endure
The vultures are starting to circle.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[T]hose who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves;
and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
-- Pres. George W. Bush, Hypocrite, his inauguration speech, 2005
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: Next pope is set to be another conservative |
29 Mar 2005 12:22:06 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:28:32 +0930, Meteorite Debris
<abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote:
They were also reassured by the Pope's recent decision to entrust the
German Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, a hardline conservative, with
composing this year's Good Friday meditation. Ratzinger is head of the
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the church's chief think
tank, which has dominated discussions on sexual morality and birth
control, and prevented liberals from gaining ground.
Correction:
The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has a much older name:
the Holy Inquisition, and Ratzinger is the Grand Inquisitor.
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