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Religions > Atheism |
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"Yang, AthD h.c" |
| Date: |
24 Aug 2007 10:04:22 AM |
| Object: |
NIE: Bush's Surge Has Failed |
Iraq now less safe, not more.
http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=281216&
Today's National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq confirms what most
Americans already know: Our troops are mired in an Iraqi civil war and
the President's escalation strategy has failed to produce the
political results he promised to our troops and the American people.
Our troops have done everything asked of them and more. Unfortunately
Iraq's leaders have not. And as today's NIE makes clear, a political
solution is extremely unlikely in the near term. Further pursuit of
the Administration's flawed escalation strategy is not in our nation's
best interests.
Every day that we continue to stick to the President's flawed strategy
is a day that America is not as secure as it could be. As the
intelligence community reported in another NIE just weeks ago,
America's attention is distracted from Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda,
which has regenerated its capacity to its pre-9/11 levels. That is why
it is so essential that this September, Republicans join with
Democrats to change course in Iraq and work to restore our nation's
security.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "Backyard Astronomer" |
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| Title: Re: Fred Stone: Surge's Succesful! Look At All the Dead Americans!!!! |
28 Aug 2007 03:39:09 PM |
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On 28 Aug 2007 01:21:18 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:ghj6d3lf6f1ebeq7estup0del9ohga6me3@4ax.com:
On 27 Aug 2007 17:41:25 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:9n06d3140883dcoic8gfaohq2rjekgmr5d@4ax.com:
On 27 Aug 2007 16:51:56 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:pjp5d3d38baa49vis3j9f6rsb0rhmelb34@4ax.com:
On 27 Aug 2007 14:39:08 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:9tn5d35o72pgkcl681u3205njja8beamrs@4ax.com:
On 27 Aug 2007 14:03:01 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:jqi4d3pgslkv8fif9d3ea6veb8c3drq145@4ax.com:
On 26 Aug 2007 23:23:05 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:t7v3d3hq5si0ivhbmeuhqvobp5etpc8g3c@4ax.com:
On 26 Aug 2007 22:10:18 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:mkt3d350pk81h8eqvqcrm7hjb3evadkt1p@4ax.com:
On 26 Aug 2007 20:43:30 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69
@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:0e22d39scbugj1pisjer2rdjsb8jac3pcn@4ax.com:
On 24 Aug 2007 16:50:52 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69
@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote
in news:drstc3lul90t5qmcvjrqhai9in43l08r5b@4ax.com:
Iraq now less safe, not more.
http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=
281216
&
Democrats say it's less safe, the surge must be working!
Actually, the surge failed by Bush's own definition .
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/24/134440/405
Oh, right, like the Kos Kiddiez would quote Bush
accurately.
Where is Bush misquoted above, Chicken Fred.
Oh that's right, it's one of your famous baseless claims
again.
Prove it yourself, Yangie-poo. Your post, you support it.
But it's your assertion that the quote was inaccurate,
therefore
it's
up to you to support that assertion.
Don't give me that *****, BackAss.
So reality = ***** in your world. That explains volumes.
So ***** = reality in your world. You're a leftist, and I knew
that.
BWAHAHA.
Where is your "proof" that Bush was misquoted above?
Prove that he wasn't, *****.
Asking for someone to prove a negative Fred?
What about it?
just the fact that you have to ask answers the question.
Just the fact that you have nothing better than lame responses tells
me all I need to know.
Projection should be your middle name.
I know you are but what am I?
You bucking for a staff
position at the White House or something?
You mean I could get paid to do this?
Maybe you could be the next Gonzo!
Ooh, yeah, then I could get flamed by real senators instead of idiot
trolls on USENET!
Besides, even Bush isn't silly enough to do that. But he might be
willing to share some blow with ya!
Nah, I quit that ***** a long time ago.
But not before you fried your brain.
You cited an unreliable source, *****.
Assertion.
Get over it.
Whatever you say Mr. Chickenhawk.
"If you don't like the label, don't wear the hat."
Fred Stone
I just knew that was all you had, BackAss. Didn't take but a few
minutes to get it all on the table, now did it?
Like you said:
"If you don't like the label, don't wear the hat."
Fred Stone
Yep, that's all you got.
No, that's all you got. A doper turned chickenhawk.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Fred Stone: Surge's Succesful! Look At All the Dead Americans!!!! |
28 Aug 2007 05:29:16 PM |
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Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:cr19d3tkjackfnjrloor9qusubvc0sc163@4ax.com:
On 28 Aug 2007 01:21:18 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:ghj6d3lf6f1ebeq7estup0del9ohga6me3@4ax.com:
On 27 Aug 2007 17:41:25 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:9n06d3140883dcoic8gfaohq2rjekgmr5d@4ax.com:
On 27 Aug 2007 16:51:56 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:pjp5d3d38baa49vis3j9f6rsb0rhmelb34@4ax.com:
On 27 Aug 2007 14:39:08 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:9tn5d35o72pgkcl681u3205njja8beamrs@4ax.com:
On 27 Aug 2007 14:03:01 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69
@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:jqi4d3pgslkv8fif9d3ea6veb8c3drq145@4ax.com:
On 26 Aug 2007 23:23:05 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:t7v3d3hq5si0ivhbmeuhqvobp5etpc8g3c@4ax.com:
On 26 Aug 2007 22:10:18 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:mkt3d350pk81h8eqvqcrm7hjb3evadkt1p@4ax.com:
On 26 Aug 2007 20:43:30 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69
@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote
in
news:0e22d39scbugj1pisjer2rdjsb8jac3pcn@4ax.com:
On 24 Aug 2007 16:50:52 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69
@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote
in news:drstc3lul90t5qmcvjrqhai9in43l08r5b@4ax.com:
Iraq now less safe, not more.
http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=
281216
&
Democrats say it's less safe, the surge must be
working!
Actually, the surge failed by Bush's own definition .
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/24/134440/405
Oh, right, like the Kos Kiddiez would quote Bush
accurately.
Where is Bush misquoted above, Chicken Fred.
Oh that's right, it's one of your famous baseless claims
again.
Prove it yourself, Yangie-poo. Your post, you support it.
But it's your assertion that the quote was inaccurate,
therefore
it's
up to you to support that assertion.
Don't give me that *****, BackAss.
So reality = ***** in your world. That explains volumes.
So ***** = reality in your world. You're a leftist, and I knew
that.
BWAHAHA.
Where is your "proof" that Bush was misquoted above?
Prove that he wasn't, *****.
Asking for someone to prove a negative Fred?
What about it?
just the fact that you have to ask answers the question.
Just the fact that you have nothing better than lame responses tells
me all I need to know.
Projection should be your middle name.
I know you are but what am I?
You bucking for a staff
position at the White House or something?
You mean I could get paid to do this?
Maybe you could be the next Gonzo!
Ooh, yeah, then I could get flamed by real senators instead of idiot
trolls on USENET!
Besides, even Bush isn't silly enough to do that. But he might be
willing to share some blow with ya!
Nah, I quit that ***** a long time ago.
But not before you fried your brain.
You cited an unreliable source, *****.
Assertion.
Get over it.
Whatever you say Mr. Chickenhawk.
"If you don't like the label, don't wear the hat."
Fred Stone
I just knew that was all you had, BackAss. Didn't take but a few
minutes to get it all on the table, now did it?
Like you said:
"If you don't like the label, don't wear the hat."
Fred Stone
Yep, that's all you got.
No, that's all you got. A doper turned chickenhawk.
Yep, all you got.
You're so stupid you think "chickenhawk" is, like, devastating, man.
Like I should run away crying because all you can do is call me names.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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| User: "Backyard Astronomer" |
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| Title: Re: Fred Stone: Surge's Succesful! Look At All the Dead Americans!!!! |
28 Aug 2007 06:18:48 PM |
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On 28 Aug 2007 22:29:16 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:cr19d3tkjackfnjrloor9qusubvc0sc163@4ax.com:
On 28 Aug 2007 01:21:18 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:ghj6d3lf6f1ebeq7estup0del9ohga6me3@4ax.com:
On 27 Aug 2007 17:41:25 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:9n06d3140883dcoic8gfaohq2rjekgmr5d@4ax.com:
On 27 Aug 2007 16:51:56 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:pjp5d3d38baa49vis3j9f6rsb0rhmelb34@4ax.com:
On 27 Aug 2007 14:39:08 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:9tn5d35o72pgkcl681u3205njja8beamrs@4ax.com:
On 27 Aug 2007 14:03:01 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69
@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:jqi4d3pgslkv8fif9d3ea6veb8c3drq145@4ax.com:
On 26 Aug 2007 23:23:05 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:t7v3d3hq5si0ivhbmeuhqvobp5etpc8g3c@4ax.com:
On 26 Aug 2007 22:10:18 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:mkt3d350pk81h8eqvqcrm7hjb3evadkt1p@4ax.com:
On 26 Aug 2007 20:43:30 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69
@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote
in
news:0e22d39scbugj1pisjer2rdjsb8jac3pcn@4ax.com:
On 24 Aug 2007 16:50:52 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69
@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote
in news:drstc3lul90t5qmcvjrqhai9in43l08r5b@4ax.com:
Iraq now less safe, not more.
http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=
281216
&
Democrats say it's less safe, the surge must be
working!
Actually, the surge failed by Bush's own definition .
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/24/134440/405
Oh, right, like the Kos Kiddiez would quote Bush
accurately.
Where is Bush misquoted above, Chicken Fred.
Oh that's right, it's one of your famous baseless claims
again.
Prove it yourself, Yangie-poo. Your post, you support it.
But it's your assertion that the quote was inaccurate,
therefore
it's
up to you to support that assertion.
Don't give me that *****, BackAss.
So reality = ***** in your world. That explains volumes.
So ***** = reality in your world. You're a leftist, and I knew
that.
BWAHAHA.
Where is your "proof" that Bush was misquoted above?
Prove that he wasn't, *****.
Asking for someone to prove a negative Fred?
What about it?
just the fact that you have to ask answers the question.
Just the fact that you have nothing better than lame responses tells
me all I need to know.
Projection should be your middle name.
I know you are but what am I?
You bucking for a staff
position at the White House or something?
You mean I could get paid to do this?
Maybe you could be the next Gonzo!
Ooh, yeah, then I could get flamed by real senators instead of idiot
trolls on USENET!
Besides, even Bush isn't silly enough to do that. But he might be
willing to share some blow with ya!
Nah, I quit that ***** a long time ago.
But not before you fried your brain.
You cited an unreliable source, *****.
Assertion.
Get over it.
Whatever you say Mr. Chickenhawk.
"If you don't like the label, don't wear the hat."
Fred Stone
I just knew that was all you had, BackAss. Didn't take but a few
minutes to get it all on the table, now did it?
Like you said:
"If you don't like the label, don't wear the hat."
Fred Stone
Yep, that's all you got.
No, that's all you got. A doper turned chickenhawk.
Yep, all you got.
You're so stupid you think "chickenhawk" is, like, devastating, man.
So you're proud to be a chickenhawk?
Like I should run away crying because all you can do is call me names.
Crying seems to be what you're good at since simple questions insult
you so easily.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Fred Stone: Surge's Succesful! Look At All the Dead Americans!!!! |
28 Aug 2007 06:36:29 PM |
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Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:hqa9d35ek2av1969n5jvn0qlk4lr9uhscf@4ax.com:
On 28 Aug 2007 22:29:16 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:cr19d3tkjackfnjrloor9qusubvc0sc163@4ax.com:
On 28 Aug 2007 01:21:18 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:ghj6d3lf6f1ebeq7estup0del9ohga6me3@4ax.com:
On 27 Aug 2007 17:41:25 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:9n06d3140883dcoic8gfaohq2rjekgmr5d@4ax.com:
On 27 Aug 2007 16:51:56 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:pjp5d3d38baa49vis3j9f6rsb0rhmelb34@4ax.com:
On 27 Aug 2007 14:39:08 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69
@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:9tn5d35o72pgkcl681u3205njja8beamrs@4ax.com:
On 27 Aug 2007 14:03:01 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69
@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:jqi4d3pgslkv8fif9d3ea6veb8c3drq145@4ax.com:
On 26 Aug 2007 23:23:05 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote
in
news:t7v3d3hq5si0ivhbmeuhqvobp5etpc8g3c@4ax.com:
On 26 Aug 2007 22:10:18 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote
in
news:mkt3d350pk81h8eqvqcrm7hjb3evadkt1p@4ax.com:
On 26 Aug 2007 20:43:30 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69
@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote
in
news:0e22d39scbugj1pisjer2rdjsb8jac3pcn@4ax.com:
On 24 Aug 2007 16:50:52 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69
@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote
in news:drstc3lul90t5qmcvjrqhai9in43l08r5b@4ax.com:
Iraq now less safe, not more.
http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?
id=
281216
&
Democrats say it's less safe, the surge must be
working!
Actually, the surge failed by Bush's own definition
..
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/24/134440/405
Oh, right, like the Kos Kiddiez would quote Bush
accurately.
Where is Bush misquoted above, Chicken Fred.
Oh that's right, it's one of your famous baseless
claims
again.
Prove it yourself, Yangie-poo. Your post, you support
it.
But it's your assertion that the quote was inaccurate,
therefore
it's
up to you to support that assertion.
Don't give me that *****, BackAss.
So reality = ***** in your world. That explains volumes.
So ***** = reality in your world. You're a leftist, and I
knew
that.
BWAHAHA.
Where is your "proof" that Bush was misquoted above?
Prove that he wasn't, *****.
Asking for someone to prove a negative Fred?
What about it?
just the fact that you have to ask answers the question.
Just the fact that you have nothing better than lame responses
tells
me all I need to know.
Projection should be your middle name.
I know you are but what am I?
You bucking for a staff
position at the White House or something?
You mean I could get paid to do this?
Maybe you could be the next Gonzo!
Ooh, yeah, then I could get flamed by real senators instead of
idiot
trolls on USENET!
Besides, even Bush isn't silly enough to do that. But he might be
willing to share some blow with ya!
Nah, I quit that ***** a long time ago.
But not before you fried your brain.
You cited an unreliable source, *****.
Assertion.
Get over it.
Whatever you say Mr. Chickenhawk.
"If you don't like the label, don't wear the hat."
Fred Stone
I just knew that was all you had, BackAss. Didn't take but a few
minutes to get it all on the table, now did it?
Like you said:
"If you don't like the label, don't wear the hat."
Fred Stone
Yep, that's all you got.
No, that's all you got. A doper turned chickenhawk.
Yep, all you got.
You're so stupid you think "chickenhawk" is, like, devastating, man.
So you're proud to be a chickenhawk?
I should care what a clown like you thinks?
Like I should run away crying because all you can do is call me names.
Crying seems to be what you're good at since simple questions insult
you so easily.
Bwaahahahahaha. Listen to the clown projecting his feelings onto me.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Fred Stone: Surge's Succesful! Look At All the Dead Americans!!!! |
28 Aug 2007 09:02:58 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:39:09 -0500, Backyard Astronomer
<backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote:
No, that's all you got. A doper turned chickenhawk.
What's the difference between a doper turned chickenhawk and a doper
chickenhawk?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Fred Stone: Surge's Succesful! Look At All the Dead Americans!!!! |
27 Aug 2007 09:33:48 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:02:41 -0500, Backyard Astronomer
<backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Aug 2007 16:51:56 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:pjp5d3d38baa49vis3j9f6rsb0rhmelb34@4ax.com:
You bucking for a staff
position at the White House or something?
You mean I could get paid to do this?
Maybe you could be the next Gonzo!
He has absolutely no experience as an attorney, so he'd be perfect for
the job, as long as he can learn the lies he'd have to feed the Senate
to be confirmed.
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| User: "Backyard Astronomer" |
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| Title: Re: Fred Stone: Surge's Succesful! Look At All the Dead Americans!!!! |
28 Aug 2007 03:41:02 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:33:48 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:02:41 -0500, Backyard Astronomer
<backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Aug 2007 16:51:56 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:pjp5d3d38baa49vis3j9f6rsb0rhmelb34@4ax.com:
You bucking for a staff
position at the White House or something?
You mean I could get paid to do this?
Maybe you could be the next Gonzo!
He has absolutely no experience as an attorney, so he'd be perfect for
the job, as long as he can learn the lies he'd have to feed the Senate
to be confirmed.
Sounds like he already has them memorized. But then again he might be
using cheat sheets.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Fred Stone: Surge's Succesful! Look At All the Dead Americans!!!! |
28 Aug 2007 05:30:26 PM |
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Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:uv19d35oq3i7ri86q9c9ait0fun8u69g8l@4ax.com:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:33:48 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:02:41 -0500, Backyard Astronomer
<backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Aug 2007 16:51:56 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:pjp5d3d38baa49vis3j9f6rsb0rhmelb34@4ax.com:
You bucking for a staff
position at the White House or something?
You mean I could get paid to do this?
Maybe you could be the next Gonzo!
He has absolutely no experience as an attorney, so he'd be perfect for
the job, as long as he can learn the lies he'd have to feed the Senate
to be confirmed.
Sounds like he already has them memorized. But then again he might be
using cheat sheets.
Oh, dear, he's still calling me names. What shall I do?
I guess I'll just laugh at the poor little clown.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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28 Aug 2007 06:21:51 PM |
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On 28 Aug 2007 22:30:26 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:uv19d35oq3i7ri86q9c9ait0fun8u69g8l@4ax.com:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:33:48 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:02:41 -0500, Backyard Astronomer
<backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Aug 2007 16:51:56 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:pjp5d3d38baa49vis3j9f6rsb0rhmelb34@4ax.com:
You bucking for a staff
position at the White House or something?
You mean I could get paid to do this?
Maybe you could be the next Gonzo!
He has absolutely no experience as an attorney, so he'd be perfect for
the job, as long as he can learn the lies he'd have to feed the Senate
to be confirmed.
Sounds like he already has them memorized. But then again he might be
using cheat sheets.
Oh, dear, he's still calling me names. What shall I do?
I guess I'll just laugh at the poor little clown.
Got your clown hat on now Freddy? I would tell you to look in the
mirror but it's probably being used for other purposes.
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28 Aug 2007 06:35:08 PM |
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Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:kdb9d3lf7kl9r17inbsm6ecrdn6qvsrn0i@4ax.com:
On 28 Aug 2007 22:30:26 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:uv19d35oq3i7ri86q9c9ait0fun8u69g8l@4ax.com:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:33:48 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:02:41 -0500, Backyard Astronomer
<backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Aug 2007 16:51:56 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:pjp5d3d38baa49vis3j9f6rsb0rhmelb34@4ax.com:
You bucking for a staff
position at the White House or something?
You mean I could get paid to do this?
Maybe you could be the next Gonzo!
He has absolutely no experience as an attorney, so he'd be perfect
for the job, as long as he can learn the lies he'd have to feed the
Senate to be confirmed.
Sounds like he already has them memorized. But then again he might
be using cheat sheets.
Oh, dear, he's still calling me names. What shall I do?
I guess I'll just laugh at the poor little clown.
Got your clown hat on now Freddy? I would tell you to look in the
mirror but it's probably being used for other purposes.
Bwaahahahahaha. Dance some more for me, clown.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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29 Aug 2007 11:17:07 AM |
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:21:51 -0500, Backyard Astronomer
<backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote:
Got your clown hat on now Freddy? I would tell you to look in the
mirror but it's probably being used for other purposes.
Like searching where the sun don't shine for responses?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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28 Aug 2007 04:48:56 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:41:02 -0500, Backyard Astronomer
<backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:33:48 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:02:41 -0500, Backyard Astronomer
<backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Aug 2007 16:51:56 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:pjp5d3d38baa49vis3j9f6rsb0rhmelb34@4ax.com:
You bucking for a staff
position at the White House or something?
You mean I could get paid to do this?
Maybe you could be the next Gonzo!
He has absolutely no experience as an attorney, so he'd be perfect for
the job, as long as he can learn the lies he'd have to feed the Senate
to be confirmed.
Sounds like he already has them memorized. But then again he might be
using cheat sheets.
Phred? Cheat?
How can you even begin to question that? Of course he does.
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| User: "Backyard Astronomer" |
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| Title: Re: Fred Stone: Surge's Succesful! Look At All the Dead Americans!!!! |
28 Aug 2007 06:20:10 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:48:56 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:41:02 -0500, Backyard Astronomer
<backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:33:48 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:02:41 -0500, Backyard Astronomer
<backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Aug 2007 16:51:56 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:pjp5d3d38baa49vis3j9f6rsb0rhmelb34@4ax.com:
You bucking for a staff
position at the White House or something?
You mean I could get paid to do this?
Maybe you could be the next Gonzo!
He has absolutely no experience as an attorney, so he'd be perfect for
the job, as long as he can learn the lies he'd have to feed the Senate
to be confirmed.
Sounds like he already has them memorized. But then again he might be
using cheat sheets.
Phred? Cheat?
How can you even begin to question that? Of course he does.
Sounds like he's a perfect candidate.
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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27 Aug 2007 09:28:09 AM |
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On 26 Aug 2007 23:23:05 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:t7v3d3hq5si0ivhbmeuhqvobp5etpc8g3c@4ax.com:
On 26 Aug 2007 22:10:18 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:mkt3d350pk81h8eqvqcrm7hjb3evadkt1p@4ax.com:
On 26 Aug 2007 20:43:30 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:0e22d39scbugj1pisjer2rdjsb8jac3pcn@4ax.com:
On 24 Aug 2007 16:50:52 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:drstc3lul90t5qmcvjrqhai9in43l08r5b@4ax.com:
Iraq now less safe, not more.
http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=281216&
Democrats say it's less safe, the surge must be working!
Actually, the surge failed by Bush's own definition .
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/24/134440/405
Oh, right, like the Kos Kiddiez would quote Bush accurately.
Where is Bush misquoted above, Chicken Fred.
Oh that's right, it's one of your famous baseless claims again.
Prove it yourself, Yangie-poo. Your post, you support it.
But it's your assertion that the quote was inaccurate, therefore it's
up to you to support that assertion.
Don't give me that *****, BackAss.
What's the matter, loser Fred, can't argue against the logic?
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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27 Aug 2007 09:39:27 AM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:asn5d3t11kjcgj66kq858ujrmggpgj31fe@4ax.com:
On 26 Aug 2007 23:23:05 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Backyard Astronomer <backyardastronomer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:t7v3d3hq5si0ivhbmeuhqvobp5etpc8g3c@4ax.com:
On 26 Aug 2007 22:10:18 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:mkt3d350pk81h8eqvqcrm7hjb3evadkt1p@4ax.com:
On 26 Aug 2007 20:43:30 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:0e22d39scbugj1pisjer2rdjsb8jac3pcn@4ax.com:
On 24 Aug 2007 16:50:52 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:drstc3lul90t5qmcvjrqhai9in43l08r5b@4ax.com:
Iraq now less safe, not more.
http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=281216&
Democrats say it's less safe, the surge must be working!
Actually, the surge failed by Bush's own definition .
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/24/134440/405
Oh, right, like the Kos Kiddiez would quote Bush accurately.
Where is Bush misquoted above, Chicken Fred.
Oh that's right, it's one of your famous baseless claims again.
Prove it yourself, Yangie-poo. Your post, you support it.
But it's your assertion that the quote was inaccurate, therefore
it's
up to you to support that assertion.
Don't give me that *****, BackAss.
What's the matter, loser Fred, can't argue against the logic?
What logic, *****?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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| Title: Re: NIE: The Surge Is Working! |
24 Aug 2007 12:08:25 PM |
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On 24 Aug 2007 16:50:52 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999682C0DD8EAfreddybear@216.151.153.46> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:drstc3lul90t5qmcvjrqhai9in43l08r5b@4ax.com:
Iraq now less safe, not more.
http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=281216&
Democrats say it's less safe, the surge must be working!
Not all of use see the Iraq war as partisan first and foremost.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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24 Aug 2007 01:08:41 PM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:m34uc39jlpn16g2fj4u7fj22qkr5jjsa1i@4ax.com:
On 24 Aug 2007 16:50:52 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999682C0DD8EAfreddybear@216.151.153.46> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:drstc3lul90t5qmcvjrqhai9in43l08r5b@4ax.com:
Iraq now less safe, not more.
http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=281216&
Democrats say it's less safe, the surge must be working!
Not all of use see the Iraq war as partisan first and foremost.
Yangie-poos do.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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24 Aug 2007 01:27:37 PM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns99968F538D201freddybear@216.151.153.41:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:m34uc39jlpn16g2fj4u7fj22qkr5jjsa1i@4ax.com:
On 24 Aug 2007 16:50:52 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999682C0DD8EAfreddybear@216.151.153.46> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:drstc3lul90t5qmcvjrqhai9in43l08r5b@4ax.com:
Iraq now less safe, not more.
http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=281216&
Democrats say it's less safe, the surge must be working!
Not all of use see the Iraq war as partisan first and foremost.
Yangie-poos do.
Oh, by the way, read the *whole* NIE here:
http://www.npr.org/documents/2007/aug/20070823_nie.pdf
The surge is working. Don't believe the Democrats.
"We assess that changing the mission of Coalition forces from a
primarily counterinsurgency and stabilization role to a primary combat
support role for Iraqi forces and counterterrorist operations to prevent
AQI from establishing a safehaven would erode security gains achieved
thus far. The impact of a change in mission on Iraq’s political and
security environment and throughout the region probably would vary in
intensity and suddenness of onset in relation to the rate and scale of a
Coalition redeployment. Developments within the Iraqi communities
themselves will be decisive in determining political and security
trajectories.
• Recent security improvements in Iraq, including success
against AQI, have depended significantly on the close synchronization of
conventional counterinsurgency and counterterrorism operations. A change
of mission that interrupts that synchronization would place security
improvements at risk. "
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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24 Aug 2007 01:43:57 PM |
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On 24 Aug 2007 18:27:37 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999693272319Ffreddybear@216.151.153.34> wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns99968F538D201freddybear@216.151.153.41:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:m34uc39jlpn16g2fj4u7fj22qkr5jjsa1i@4ax.com:
On 24 Aug 2007 16:50:52 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999682C0DD8EAfreddybear@216.151.153.46> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:drstc3lul90t5qmcvjrqhai9in43l08r5b@4ax.com:
Iraq now less safe, not more.
http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=281216&
Democrats say it's less safe, the surge must be working!
Not all of use see the Iraq war as partisan first and foremost.
Yangie-poos do.
That makes at least two of you.
Oh, by the way, read the *whole* NIE here:
http://www.npr.org/documents/2007/aug/20070823_nie.pdf
Have you read the whole thing yourself? (BTW, obligatory Fred Stone
response: "NPR, I don't read anything from a left wing organization
like that.")
The surge is working. Don't believe the Democrats.
"We assess that changing the mission of Coalition forces from a
primarily counterinsurgency and stabilization role to a primary combat
support role for Iraqi forces and counterterrorist operations to prevent
AQI from establishing a safehaven would erode security gains achieved
thus far. The impact of a change in mission on Iraq’s political and
security environment and throughout the region probably would vary in
intensity and suddenness of onset in relation to the rate and scale of a
Coalition redeployment. Developments within the Iraqi communities
themselves will be decisive in determining political and security
trajectories.
How is that a claim about success or possible success? I thought that
the point of the surge was that we were doing counter-insurgency
actions. Now we are giving that up and going back to combat?
• Recent security improvements in Iraq, including success
against AQI, have depended significantly on the close synchronization of
conventional counterinsurgency and counterterrorism operations. A change
of mission that interrupts that synchronization would place security
improvements at risk. "
Which is not a success claim either. Where are you getting these
talking points from? Or do you want to claim that you have read the
whole report and picked out these passages yourself?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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24 Aug 2007 02:02:22 PM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:th9uc35jsdmifmiacll57r5cacnv4egabp@4ax.com:
On 24 Aug 2007 18:27:37 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999693272319Ffreddybear@216.151.153.34> wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns99968F538D201freddybear@216.151.153.41:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:m34uc39jlpn16g2fj4u7fj22qkr5jjsa1i@4ax.com:
On 24 Aug 2007 16:50:52 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999682C0DD8EAfreddybear@216.151.153.46> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:drstc3lul90t5qmcvjrqhai9in43l08r5b@4ax.com:
Iraq now less safe, not more.
http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=281216&
Democrats say it's less safe, the surge must be working!
Not all of use see the Iraq war as partisan first and foremost.
Yangie-poos do.
That makes at least two of you.
Oh, by the way, read the *whole* NIE here:
http://www.npr.org/documents/2007/aug/20070823_nie.pdf
Have you read the whole thing yourself? (BTW, obligatory Fred Stone
response: "NPR, I don't read anything from a left wing organization
like that.")
Yes, Matt, I did read it. No, it's not an editorial from NPR, I think I
can still trust them to publish a document without manipulating its
contents.
The surge is working. Don't believe the Democrats.
"We assess that changing the mission of Coalition forces from a
primarily counterinsurgency and stabilization role to a primary combat
support role for Iraqi forces and counterterrorist operations to
prevent AQI from establishing a safehaven would erode security gains
achieved thus far. The impact of a change in mission on Iraq’s
political and security environment and throughout the region probably
would vary in intensity and suddenness of onset in relation to the
rate and scale of a Coalition redeployment. Developments within the
Iraqi communities themselves will be decisive in determining political
and security trajectories.
How is that a claim about success or possible success? I thought that
the point of the surge was that we were doing counter-insurgency
actions. Now we are giving that up and going back to combat?
"Changing to to a combat support role" is one of the main ideas being
floated by the Defeat Caucus, Matt.
• Recent security improvements in Iraq, including success
against AQI, have depended significantly on the close synchronization
of conventional counterinsurgency and counterterrorism operations. A
change of mission that interrupts that synchronization would place
security improvements at risk. "
Which is not a success claim either. Where are you getting these
talking points from? Or do you want to claim that you have read the
whole report and picked out these passages yourself?
Which part of "security improvements, including success against AQI" did
you have trouble understanding?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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27 Aug 2007 10:27:41 AM |
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On 24 Aug 2007 19:02:22 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9996990A6AA33freddybear@216.151.153.21> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:th9uc35jsdmifmiacll57r5cacnv4egabp@4ax.com:
On 24 Aug 2007 18:27:37 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999693272319Ffreddybear@216.151.153.34> wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns99968F538D201freddybear@216.151.153.41:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:m34uc39jlpn16g2fj4u7fj22qkr5jjsa1i@4ax.com:
On 24 Aug 2007 16:50:52 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999682C0DD8EAfreddybear@216.151.153.46> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:drstc3lul90t5qmcvjrqhai9in43l08r5b@4ax.com:
Iraq now less safe, not more.
http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=281216&
Democrats say it's less safe, the surge must be working!
Not all of use see the Iraq war as partisan first and foremost.
Yangie-poos do.
That makes at least two of you.
Oh, by the way, read the *whole* NIE here:
http://www.npr.org/documents/2007/aug/20070823_nie.pdf
Have you read the whole thing yourself? (BTW, obligatory Fred Stone
response: "NPR, I don't read anything from a left wing organization
like that.")
Yes, Matt, I did read it. No, it's not an editorial from NPR, I think I
can still trust them to publish a document without manipulating its
contents.
The surge is working. Don't believe the Democrats.
"We assess that changing the mission of Coalition forces from a
primarily counterinsurgency and stabilization role to a primary combat
support role for Iraqi forces and counterterrorist operations to
prevent AQI from establishing a safehaven would erode security gains
achieved thus far. The impact of a change in mission on Iraq’s
political and security environment and throughout the region probably
would vary in intensity and suddenness of onset in relation to the
rate and scale of a Coalition redeployment. Developments within the
Iraqi communities themselves will be decisive in determining political
and security trajectories.
How is that a claim about success or possible success? I thought that
the point of the surge was that we were doing counter-insurgency
actions. Now we are giving that up and going back to combat?
"Changing to to a combat support role" is one of the main ideas being
floated by the Defeat Caucus, Matt.
• Recent security improvements in Iraq, including success
against AQI, have depended significantly on the close synchronization
of conventional counterinsurgency and counterterrorism operations. A
change of mission that interrupts that synchronization would place
security improvements at risk. "
Which is not a success claim either. Where are you getting these
talking points from? Or do you want to claim that you have read the
whole report and picked out these passages yourself?
Which part of "security improvements, including success against AQI" did
you have trouble understanding?
Talk about cherry picking. What evidence does anyone have that the
surge is, as a whole, producing positive, no less cost effective,
results? That there are some localized positive results is not a
surprise, but that sure sets the bar quite low. I never thought that
each and every action is Iraq was a failure, I think that the sum
total is a failure. So what are the *overall* trends, not cherry
picked local results? What *sustainable* positive results are there?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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27 Aug 2007 11:05:31 AM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:k7r5d3lpg68eb5l42s5cmjo378chtsetp9@4ax.com:
On 24 Aug 2007 19:02:22 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9996990A6AA33freddybear@216.151.153.21> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:th9uc35jsdmifmiacll57r5cacnv4egabp@4ax.com:
On 24 Aug 2007 18:27:37 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999693272319Ffreddybear@216.151.153.34> wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com>
wrote in news:m34uc39jlpn16g2fj4u7fj22qkr5jjsa1i@4ax.com:
On 24 Aug 2007 16:50:52 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999682C0DD8EAfreddybear@216.151.153.46> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:drstc3lul90t5qmcvjrqhai9in43l08r5b@4ax.com:
Iraq now less safe, not more.
http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=281216&
Democrats say it's less safe, the surge must be working!
Not all of use see the Iraq war as partisan first and foremost.
Yangie-poos do.
That makes at least two of you.
Oh, by the way, read the *whole* NIE here:
http://www.npr.org/documents/2007/aug/20070823_nie.pdf
Have you read the whole thing yourself? (BTW, obligatory Fred Stone
response: "NPR, I don't read anything from a left wing organization
like that.")
Yes, Matt, I did read it. No, it's not an editorial from NPR, I think
I can still trust them to publish a document without manipulating its
contents.
The surge is working. Don't believe the Democrats.
"We assess that changing the mission of Coalition forces from a
primarily counterinsurgency and stabilization role to a primary
combat support role for Iraqi forces and counterterrorist operations
to prevent AQI from establishing a safehaven would erode security
gains achieved thus far. The impact of a change in mission on Iraq’s
political and security environment and throughout the region
probably would vary in intensity and suddenness of onset in relation
to the rate and scale of a Coalition redeployment. Developments
within the Iraqi communities themselves will be decisive in
determining political and security trajectories.
How is that a claim about success or possible success? I thought
that the point of the surge was that we were doing
counter-insurgency actions. Now we are giving that up and going back
to combat?
"Changing to to a combat support role" is one of the main ideas being
floated by the Defeat Caucus, Matt.
• Recent security improvements in Iraq, including success
against AQI, have depended significantly on the close
synchronization of conventional counterinsurgency and
counterterrorism operations. A change of mission that interrupts
that synchronization would place security improvements at risk. "
Which is not a success claim either. Where are you getting these
talking points from? Or do you want to claim that you have read the
whole report and picked out these passages yourself?
Which part of "security improvements, including success against AQI"
did you have trouble understanding?
Talk about cherry picking. What evidence does anyone have that the
surge is, as a whole, producing positive, no less cost effective,
results?
You should ask your Democrat masters. They're so worried that the surge
is working that they're working overtime to talk it down.
That there are some localized positive results is not a
surprise, but that sure sets the bar quite low. I never thought that
each and every action is Iraq was a failure, I think that the sum
total is a failure. So what are the *overall* trends, not cherry
picked local results? What *sustainable* positive results are there?
Those are not localized results, Matt. Try again.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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| Title: Re: NIE: Bush's Surge Has Failed |
25 Aug 2007 01:37:46 AM |
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In article <drstc3lul90t5qmcvjrqhai9in43l08r5b@4ax.com>,
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
Iraq now less safe, not more.
http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=281216&
Today's National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq confirms what most
Americans already know: Our troops are mired in an Iraqi civil war and
the President's escalation strategy has failed to produce the
political results he promised to our troops and the American people.
The sad thing is that we knew this even before we invaded.
Our troops have done everything asked of them and more. Unfortunately
Iraq's leaders have not. And as today's NIE makes clear, a political
solution is extremely unlikely in the near term. Further pursuit of
the Administration's flawed escalation strategy is not in our nation's
best interests.
The longer we continue the deeper we sink in the quagmire.
Every day that we continue to stick to the President's flawed strategy
is a day that America is not as secure as it could be. As the
intelligence community reported in another NIE just weeks ago,
America's attention is distracted from Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda,
which has regenerated its capacity to its pre-9/11 levels. That is why
it is so essential that this September, Republicans join with
Democrats to change course in Iraq and work to restore our nation's
security.
I agree. We should have finished the job in Afghanistan. Get out of one
quagmire before jumping into another.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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25 Aug 2007 08:39:21 AM |
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On Aug 24, 11:04 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
Iraq now less safe, not more.
http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=281216&
Today's National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq confirms what most
Americans already know: Our troops are mired in an Iraqi civil war and
the President's escalation strategy has failed to produce the
political results he promised to our troops and the American people.
Our troops have done everything asked of them and more. Unfortunately
Iraq's leaders have not. And as today's NIE makes clear, a political
solution is extremely unlikely in the near term. Further pursuit of
the Administration's flawed escalation strategy is not in our nation's
best interests.
Every day that we continue to stick to the President's flawed strategy
is a day that America is not as secure as it could be. As the
intelligence community reported in another NIE just weeks ago,
America's attention is distracted from Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda,
which has regenerated its capacity to its pre-9/11 levels. That is why
it is so essential that this September, Republicans join with
Democrats to change course in Iraq and work to restore our nation's
security.
And from what I've heard, Shrub is going to try to tie Iraq to 9/11
yet again by having General Petraeus give his report on September11.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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25 Aug 2007 09:31:16 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:39:21 -0700, Andres64 <andresc64@excite.com>
wrote:
And from what I've heard, Shrub is going to try to tie Iraq to 9/11
yet again by having General Petraeus give his report on September11.
Let's clarify that - "by having General Petraeus give the report the
White House will write for him, on September11."
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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25 Aug 2007 10:51:25 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:39:21 -0700, Andres64 <andresc64@excite.com>
wrote:
And from what I've heard, Shrub is going to try to tie Iraq to 9/11
yet again by having General Petraeus give his report on September11.
Let's clarify that - "by having General Petraeus give the report the
White House will write for him, on September11."
And, which won't be read by him for fear of his
changing it back to what he wants it to say.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: NIE: Bush's Surge Has Failed |
26 Aug 2007 07:45:20 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:51:25 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:udp1d35h3i0chu18g2dv6f1aibliup414h@4ax.com...
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:39:21 -0700, Andres64 <andresc64@excite.com>
wrote:
And from what I've heard, Shrub is going to try to tie Iraq to 9/11
yet again by having General Petraeus give his report on September11.
Let's clarify that - "by having General Petraeus give the report the
White House will write for him, on September11."
And, which won't be read by him for fear of his
changing it back to what he wants it to say.
But it WILL be presented as HIS report - the one Congress has been
waiting to hear before doing anything.
Did we REALLY elect such morons?
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: NIE: Bush's Surge Has Failed |
26 Aug 2007 09:01:56 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:51:25 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:udp1d35h3i0chu18g2dv6f1aibliup414h@4ax.com...
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:39:21 -0700, Andres64 <andresc64@excite.com>
wrote:
And from what I've heard, Shrub is going to try to tie Iraq to 9/11
yet again by having General Petraeus give his report on September11.
Let's clarify that - "by having General Petraeus give the report the
White House will write for him, on September11."
And, which won't be read by him for fear of his
changing it back to what he wants it to say.
But it WILL be presented as HIS report - the one Congress has been
waiting to hear before doing anything.
Did we REALLY elect such morons?
No, for the ten thousandth time. The Republicans
stole both the 2000 and 2004 elections, More and
more evidence is showing up for this, especially in
Ohio and Florida. And, a bunch of evidence was
found to have been deliberately destroyed recently
in Ohio.
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| User: "Kate " |
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27 Aug 2007 12:31:01 AM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:01:56 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:fj74d3lu7oapq8qjia5s5ah868qruuvafn@4ax.com...
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:51:25 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:udp1d35h3i0chu18g2dv6f1aibliup414h@4ax.com...
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:39:21 -0700, Andres64 <andresc64@excite.com>
wrote:
And from what I've heard, Shrub is going to try to tie Iraq to 9/11
yet again by having General Petraeus give his report on September11.
Let's clarify that - "by having General Petraeus give the report the
White House will write for him, on September11."
And, which won't be read by him for fear of his
changing it back to what he wants it to say.
But it WILL be presented as HIS report - the one Congress has been
waiting to hear before doing anything.
Did we REALLY elect such morons?
No, for the ten thousandth time. The Republicans
stole both the 2000 and 2004 elections, More and
more evidence is showing up for this, especially in
Ohio and Florida. And, a bunch of evidence was
found to have been deliberately destroyed recently
in Ohio.
ah, but that doesn't count because 2 or 3 democrats tried to vote when
they weren't registered.
(fredspeak)
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: NIE: Bush's Surge Has Failed |
27 Aug 2007 09:39:25 AM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:01:56 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:fj74d3lu7oapq8qjia5s5ah868qruuvafn@4ax.com...
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:51:25 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:udp1d35h3i0chu18g2dv6f1aibliup414h@4ax.com...
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:39:21 -0700, Andres64 <andresc64@excite.com>
wrote:
And from what I've heard, Shrub is going to try to tie Iraq to 9/11
yet again by having General Petraeus give his report on September11.
Let's clarify that - "by having General Petraeus give the report the
White House will write for him, on September11."
And, which won't be read by him for fear of his
changing it back to what he wants it to say.
But it WILL be presented as HIS report - the one Congress has been
waiting to hear before doing anything.
Did we REALLY elect such morons?
No, for the ten thousandth time. The Republicans
stole both the 2000 and 2004 elections, More and
more evidence is showing up for this, especially in
Ohio and Florida. And, a bunch of evidence was
found to have been deliberately destroyed recently
in Ohio.
But it's the Congress WE elected in 2006 that's waiting for this
report before they do anything. So they hear another White House
press release, and then what? They don't have the cojones to call
Bush on it.
He's playing poker with an empty chair, and it has to match his bets.
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