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"J Young" |
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18 Jun 2007 11:27:54 PM |
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No. Carolina courtroom oaths expanded beyond Bible |
Anything less then the real Bible is pure *****!
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/06/no_carolina_courtroom_oaths_ex.php
A ruling from a North Carolina judge that allows other religious texts
besides the Bible for swearing in of courtroom witnesses is being
called a further example of the secularization of the procedure.
The American Civil Liberties Union assisted in the case of a Muslim
woman who sued for not being allowed to take her oath on the Koran,
according to Associated Press. Judge Paul Ridgeway ruled that
witnesses and jurors may use the text "most sacred and obligatory upon
their conscience" to make an oath -- in addition to what state law
already allows: laying a hand over the Bible, saying "so help me God"
without the use of a book, or affirming to tell the truth without use
of any religious symbols.
Liberty Counsel's Mat Staver says the affirmation is already a
compromise allowing secularization of a religious oath, and that other
text options are not necessary. "I think the judge is trying to walk a
tightrope here," says the attorney. "On the one hand, he didn't rule
the law unconstitutional as some judges might -- on the other hand,
he's still allowing some flexibility."
The Liberty Counsel founder and chairman believes the main argument
that would be brought forth now is that the requirement to take an
oath on the Bible is a violation of one's "religious conviction or
conscience."
And Staver says taking the Bible away from the process changes the
founding fathers' notion of accountability to God based on the Ten
Commandments of the Bible -- but he admits, "That's the way
secularization has crept into the judicial system today ..... Our
courts have weakened and watered down the religious history and the
significance of oath-taking."
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| User: "NotMe" |
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| Title: Re: No. Carolina courtroom oaths expanded beyond Bible |
19 Jun 2007 04:59:24 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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| Anything less then the real Bible is pure *****!
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Dammed straight and only in the original Greek none of those deceptive Latin
translations
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: No. Carolina courtroom oaths expanded beyond Bible |
19 Jun 2007 12:08:21 AM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Anything less then the real Bible is pure *****!
And there are so many "real Bibles" to choose from.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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19 Jun 2007 07:10:54 AM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
Anything less then the real Bible is pure *****!
And when you understand why, you'll understand why the Bible,
too, is pure *****.
Elf
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Elf M. Sternberg, Immanentizing the Eschaton since 1988
http://www.pendorwright.com/
"You know how some people treat their body like a temple?
I treat mine like issa amusement park!" - Kei
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: No. Carolina courtroom oaths expanded beyond Bible |
19 Jun 2007 12:25:11 AM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
Anything less then the real Bible is pure *****!
You *know* "pure *****", IBen.
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Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15)
NEXT GAME: October 2007, date/place/opponent TBA
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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| Title: Re: No. Carolina courtroom oaths expanded beyond Bible |
19 Jun 2007 09:37:52 AM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/06/no_carolina_courtroom_oaths_ex.php
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Liberty Counsel's Mat Staver says the affirmation is already a
compromise allowing secularization of a religious oath, and that other
text options are not necessary.
Why am I not surprised that an organization called "Liberty Counsel"
is only interested in Christians having liberty?
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "Senrab Nageek" |
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| Title: Re: No. Carolina courtroom oaths expanded beyond Bible |
19 Jun 2007 09:05:45 AM |
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J Young wrote:
Anything less then the real Bible is pure *****!
The Koran is real, too. So is the Torah. The Vedas. Plato.
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| User: "jls" |
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19 Jun 2007 09:31:12 AM |
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On Jun 19, 10:05 am, Senrab Nageek <senrab.nag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
J Young wrote:
Anything less then the real Bible is pure *****!
The Koran is real, too. So is the Torah. The Vedas. Plato.
Now that the door is open, let's authorize Anton LaVey's holy book to
be used in swearing ceremonies.
More honorable mentions: Book of Voodoo, Vedas, Book of Mormon, Guru
Granth Sahib, Avesta, Zhuan Falun, Book of Scientology, Holy Scripture
of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and so on.
All these, due to the successful litigation putting the Koran on the
table, will now take their place in North Carolina as holy books
suitable to be sworn on. Under the law, one is just as legitimate as
the other.
How about the holy book of the Wiccans? That one is now among the
honored too. Bring it on!
Bush said he didn't believe Wicca was a religion, but the courts
overruled him and put Wicca holy places on Army bases where Wiccan
soldiers could worship.
Let them all come in. If the bible is legit, so is the Book of Wicca.
Wait a minute. I have a suggestion. Just affirm everybody.
Gracious. What do we want, another Tower of Babel?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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19 Jun 2007 12:00:56 PM |
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"jls" <jls1016@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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On Jun 19, 10:05 am, Senrab Nageek <senrab.nag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
J Young wrote:
Anything less then the real Bible is pure *****!
The Koran is real, too. So is the Torah. The Vedas. Plato.
Now that the door is open, let's authorize Anton LaVey's holy book to
be used in swearing ceremonies.
More honorable mentions: Book of Voodoo, Vedas, Book of Mormon, Guru
Granth Sahib, Avesta, Zhuan Falun, Book of Scientology, Holy Scripture
of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and so on.
All these, due to the successful litigation putting the Koran on the
table, will now take their place in North Carolina as holy books
suitable to be sworn on. Under the law, one is just as legitimate as
the other.
How about the holy book of the Wiccans?
There isn't one, unless you're referring to a "Book of Shadows". That's
something that a Wiccan creates on their own.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: No. Carolina courtroom oaths expanded beyond Bible |
20 Jun 2007 05:24:49 AM |
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:31:12 -0700, jls <jls1016@bellsouth.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1182263472.677707.216890@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Bush said he didn't believe Wicca was a religion, but the courts
overruled him and put Wicca holy places on Army bases where Wiccan
soldiers could worship.
There is no doubt Bush will have a secure a highly visible and secure
place in the history of the Presidency.
He affirms beyond all doubt the American Dream and American tradition
that any incompetent idiot can grow up to be president.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification, not work permit or citizenship.
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| User: "Martin" |
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| Title: Re: No. Carolina courtroom oaths expanded beyond Bible |
19 Jun 2007 04:44:55 AM |
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J Young wrote:
Anything less then the real Bible is pure *****!
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/06/no_carolina_courtroom_oaths_ex.php
A ruling from a North Carolina judge that allows other religious texts
besides the Bible for swearing in of courtroom witnesses is being
called a further example of the secularization of the procedure.
So swearing on holy texts is secularization eh? You're a freaking
dumbass Young!
My personal view is that everyone should affirm thus putting everyone on
an equal footing.
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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| Title: Re: No. Carolina courtroom oaths expanded beyond Bible |
19 Jun 2007 05:25:24 AM |
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On Jun 19, 10:44 am, Martin <usen...@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:
J Young wrote:
Anything less then the real Bible is pure *****!
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/06/no_carolina_courtroom_oaths_ex.php
A ruling from a North Carolina judge that allows other religious texts
besides the Bible for swearing in of courtroom witnesses is being
called a further example of the secularization of the procedure.
So swearing on holy texts is secularization eh? You're a freaking
dumbass Young!
My personal view is that everyone should affirm thus putting everyone on
an equal footing.
But then christians wouldn't feel obliged to tell the truth! (no
change there then)
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| User: "Martin" |
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| Title: Re: No. Carolina courtroom oaths expanded beyond Bible |
19 Jun 2007 06:35:10 AM |
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Nosterill wrote:
On Jun 19, 10:44 am, Martin <usen...@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:
J Young wrote:
Anything less then the real Bible is pure *****!
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/06/no_carolina_courtroom_oaths_ex.php
A ruling from a North Carolina judge that allows other religious texts
besides the Bible for swearing in of courtroom witnesses is being
called a further example of the secularization of the procedure.
So swearing on holy texts is secularization eh? You're a freaking
dumbass Young!
My personal view is that everyone should affirm thus putting everyone on
an equal footing.
But then christians wouldn't feel obliged to tell the truth! (no
change there then)
Ain't that the truth ;)
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| Title: Re: No. Carolina courtroom oaths expanded beyond Bible |
19 Jun 2007 12:46:11 AM |
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On 19 juin, 06:27, J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
Anything less then the real Bible is pure *****!
For someone who is so obsessed with the bible, you seem quite ignorant
of its content: where does the bible advocate intolerance? racism?
bigotry? hypocrisy? lies?
As for the bible it self, it might occur to you that 1- your country
is secular, 2- not everyone is christian and 3- this is an atheist
decussion group.
In other words, *****, moron!
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| User: "Wayne" |
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| Title: Re: No. Carolina courtroom oaths expanded beyond Bible |
19 Jun 2007 12:52:09 AM |
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wrote:
On 19 juin, 06:27, J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
Anything less then the real Bible is pure *****!
For someone who is so obsessed with the bible, you seem quite ignorant
of its content: where does the bible advocate intolerance? racism?
bigotry? hypocrisy? lies?
As for the bible it self, it might occur to you that 1- your country
is secular, 2- not everyone is christian and 3- this is an atheist
decussion group.
In other words, *****, moron!
What's a 'decussion' group?
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| User: "NotMe" |
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| Title: Re: No. Carolina courtroom oaths expanded beyond Bible |
19 Jun 2007 04:49:30 AM |
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"Wayne" <wayneshannon@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:f57qu8$ng9$01$1@news.t-online.com...
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| > On 19 juin, 06:27, J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
| >> Anything less then the real Bible is pure *****!
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| > For someone who is so obsessed with the bible, you seem quite ignorant
| > of its content: where does the bible advocate intolerance? racism?
| > bigotry? hypocrisy? lies?
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| > As for the bible it self, it might occur to you that 1- your country
| > is secular, 2- not everyone is christian and 3- this is an atheist
| > decussion group.
| > In other words, *****, moron!
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| What's a 'decussion' group?
Whatever it is this ain't one
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: No. Carolina courtroom oaths expanded beyond Bible |
19 Jun 2007 01:53:16 AM |
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On 19 juin, 07:52, Wayne <wayneshan...@t-online.de> wrote:
parsifa...@gmail.com wrote:
On 19 juin, 06:27, J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
Anything less then the real Bible is pure *****!
For someone who is so obsessed with the bible, you seem quite ignorant
of its content: where does the bible advocate intolerance? racism?
bigotry? hypocrisy? lies?
As for the bible it self, it might occur to you that 1- your country
is secular, 2- not everyone is christian and 3- this is an atheist
decussion group.
In other words, *****, moron!
What's a 'decussion' group?
Woops!
"Discussion group"!
That will teach me to answer J Young's postings before my first
coffee...
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| User: "Syd M." |
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| Title: Re: No. Carolina courtroom oaths expanded beyond Bible |
19 Jun 2007 03:11:42 PM |
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On Jun 19, 12:27 am, J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
Anything less then the real Bible is pure *****!
Ok, JrkYoung. So, what's the "real" bible, then? The King James
version? The modern verses version? The greek version? C'mon, Young,
we're waiting.
And yes, the bible is BS.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/06/no_carolina_courtroom_oaths_ex.php
A ruling from a North Carolina judge that allows other religious texts
besides the Bible for swearing in of courtroom witnesses is being
called a further example of the secularization of the procedure.
Oh, boo hoo hoo. So they can't make people swear on thier storybooks
anymore. Cry me a fucking river.
PDW
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| User: "JohnN" |
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19 Jun 2007 03:42:37 PM |
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On Jun 19, 12:27 am, J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
Anything less then the real Bible is pure *****!
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/06/no_carolina_courtroom_oaths_ex.php
And Staver says taking the Bible away from the process changes the
founding fathers' notion of accountability to God based on the Ten
Commandments of the Bible -- but he admits, "That's the way
secularization has crept into the judicial system today ..... Our
courts have weakened and watered down the religious history and the
significance of oath-taking."
The current constitution of North Carolina does not contain any
religious test for state officials. The original constitution did
so. It forbad Roman Catholics from holding any state office. BTW the
first chief justice of the state's supreme court was William Gaston, a
Roman Catholic who organized and paid for several churches in the
state.
The intents of the founders of the state are expliciately not in the
current constitution. That is the will of the people of North
Carolina. Mr Staver is an *****.
JohnN
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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19 Jun 2007 02:30:44 AM |
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On Jun 19, 5:27 am, J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
Anything less then the real Bible is pure *****!
What is the point of having someone swear on a book that has no
meaning to them?
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: No. Carolina courtroom oaths expanded beyond Bible |
19 Jun 2007 04:22:07 AM |
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On Jun 19, 5:27 am, J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
Anything less then the real Bible is pure *****!
What is the point of having someone swear on a book that has no
meaning to them?
Being a hypocrite and an ignoramus, Mr. Young
truly doesn't understand hypocrisy. I would
refuse to swear on a Bible, since that would make
me a hypocrite. I don't believe in it, so to swear on
it would make me a liar. I would prefer to swear
on a copy of the Constitution. That's the law of
the land and would have meaning for me.
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^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
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When fascism comes to America, it will be
wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross -
Sinclair Lewis
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| User: "Syd M." |
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19 Jun 2007 03:12:45 PM |
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On Jun 19, 3:30 am, Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 5:27 am, J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
Anything less then the real Bible is pure *****!
What is the point of having someone swear on a book that has no
meaning to them?
It makes the religious bigots smug and happy.
PDW
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| User: "Tom S" |
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19 Jun 2007 07:06:41 PM |
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:27:54 -0700, J Young <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Anything less then the real Bible is pure *****!
Which version do you consider to be the real Bible, IBen? And why
should a non-Christian have to swear on it. To a non-Christian the
Bible is no more sacred than one of your magazines. You know the ones
I am talking about. The ones you keep under your mattress with the
pages all stuck together.
Tom S.
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| User: "Attila" |
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19 Jun 2007 05:21:29 AM |
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:27:54 -0700, J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1182227274.382457.283160@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Anything less then the real Bible is pure *****!
Nonsense as usual
A ruling from a North Carolina judge that allows other religious texts
besides the Bible for swearing in of courtroom witnesses is being
called a further example of the secularization of the procedure.
The American Civil Liberties Union assisted in the case of a Muslim
woman who sued for not being allowed to take her oath on the Koran,
according to Associated Press. Judge Paul Ridgeway ruled that
witnesses and jurors may use the text "most sacred and obligatory upon
their conscience" to make an oath -- in addition to what state law
already allows: laying a hand over the Bible, saying "so help me God"
without the use of a book, or affirming to tell the truth without use
of any religious symbols.
Why should any book be involved? Or saying "So help me anybody"?
After all, the Presidential Oath and standard federal oath contains no
such requirement.
A stack of Playboys would be legal.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification, not work permit or citizenship.
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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19 Jun 2007 09:46:30 AM |
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On Jun 19, 6:21 am, Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:27:54 -0700, J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1182227274.382457.283...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Anything less then the real Bible is pure *****!
Nonsense as usual
A ruling from a North Carolina judge that allows other religious texts
besides the Bible for swearing in of courtroom witnesses is being
called a further example of the secularization of the procedure.
The American Civil Liberties Union assisted in the case of a Muslim
woman who sued for not being allowed to take her oath on the Koran,
according to Associated Press. Judge Paul Ridgeway ruled that
witnesses and jurors may use the text "most sacred and obligatory upon
their conscience" to make an oath -- in addition to what state law
already allows: laying a hand over the Bible, saying "so help me God"
without the use of a book, or affirming to tell the truth without use
of any religious symbols.
Why should any book be involved? Or saying "So help me anybody"?
After all, the Presidential Oath and standard federal oath contains no
such requirement.
A stack of Playboys would be legal.
And a lot more enjoyable. :-) I imagine that Hugh Hefner would get a
kick out of that.
Mark Sebree
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification, not work permit or citizenship.
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| User: "NotMe" |
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| Title: Re: No. Carolina courtroom oaths expanded beyond Bible |
19 Jun 2007 11:59:07 AM |
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"Mark Sebree"
| > A stack of Playboys would be legal.
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| And a lot more enjoyable. :-) I imagine that Hugh Hefner would get a
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It could be said there is a much more faithful following
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| User: "Attila" |
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20 Jun 2007 05:20:29 AM |
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:46:30 -0700, Mark Sebree
<sebree@infionline.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<1182264390.362890.69330@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 6:21 am, Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:27:54 -0700, J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1182227274.382457.283...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Anything less then the real Bible is pure *****!
Nonsense as usual
A ruling from a North Carolina judge that allows other religious texts
besides the Bible for swearing in of courtroom witnesses is being
called a further example of the secularization of the procedure.
The American Civil Liberties Union assisted in the case of a Muslim
woman who sued for not being allowed to take her oath on the Koran,
according to Associated Press. Judge Paul Ridgeway ruled that
witnesses and jurors may use the text "most sacred and obligatory upon
their conscience" to make an oath -- in addition to what state law
already allows: laying a hand over the Bible, saying "so help me God"
without the use of a book, or affirming to tell the truth without use
of any religious symbols.
Why should any book be involved? Or saying "So help me anybody"?
After all, the Presidential Oath and standard federal oath contains no
such requirement.
A stack of Playboys would be legal.
And a lot more enjoyable. :-) I imagine that Hugh Hefner would get a
kick out of that.
Or better still, Hustler. Thus giving Larry Flint a lot of
satisfaction plus Faldwell a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. Even
if he is dead.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification, not work permit or citizenship.
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19 Jun 2007 07:15:22 AM |
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:27:54 -0700, J Young wrote:
Anything less then the real Bible is pure *****!
What could POSSIBLY be "less then [sic] the real Bible"??? A two-year
old smearing his feces on the wall??
--
MarkA
(Still trying to come up with a clever sig line)
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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19 Jun 2007 01:22:37 PM |
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:27:54 -0700, in alt.atheism , J Young
<youngopinions@aol.com> in
<1182227274.382457.283160@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Anything less then the real Bible is pure *****!
Some of us like America. If you don't, why don't you move elsewhere?
[snip]
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Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "LC" |
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19 Jun 2007 08:16:57 AM |
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Speaking of pure *****, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
message news:1182227274.382457.283160@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Anything less then the real Bible is pure *****!
And, as all of Usenet knows, you're an expert on *****:
"I ain't a Jesus freak... I love porn stars!God bless them."
From: (Jon Young)
Message-ID: <25e1e54f.0404240901.7eb55105@posting.google.com>
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