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Religions > Atheism |
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"Bill M" |
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27 Aug 2006 10:49:48 AM |
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NO EVIDENCE FOR GODS |
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any real gods actually exist.
They are all based on man's unreliable and selfish opinions.
The god believers claim that god created the world and everything in it. He
is all loving, all caring and all powerful creator of man in his image.
Because the world is so magnificent and complex it had to have a creator. By
this same logic, god has to be even more powerful and complex and would have
to have a creator. Complexity in no way is proof or evidence of a god
creator it is only evidence of complexity.
Supposedly man after he dies lives on in gods eternal heaven in eternal
happiness.
If this is true, why did he create so much sin and punishment on Earth? Why
did he create Hell? Why not create a world with men that are motivated to be
all caring and loving beings, just like him, with no desire to be selfish,
greedy and mean?
Religious fanatics claim that man has chosen to be evil because of his 'free
will'. This is totally specious. 'Free will' does not imply or require the
existence of evil conduct.
free will n. 1. The ability or discretion to choose; free choice: chose to
remain behind of my own free will. 2. The power, attributed especially to
human beings, of making free choices that are unconstrained by external
circumstances or by an agency such as fate or divine will.
A good benevolent god could have created man as a loving caring creature
with free will but without any desire or ability to commit evil.
He already created other limitations on man's 'free will'.
He created hunger pains to force man to eat and drink? He created
suffocation panic to force man to breathe? And a powerful sex drive to force
man to procreate? (Frequently in excess of mans ability to feed and care for
his creations!)
Why create greed and selfishness which encourages man to steel, lie,
subjugate and even kill other men?
This is supposedly to keep man in line and force him to follow god's wishes
and commands. This is characteristic of a dictator and slave master not the
characteristics of a loving god.
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Floods,
Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect and
punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both young
and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish millions
of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
There is a parasitic worm in West Africa that bores through the eyes of
children and causes total blindness for the rest of their lives. This is the
work of an all caring and loving god???
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent children"
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate into a
miserable and devastating old age regardless of their religious affiliation?
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, Wolves, poisonous snakes,
stinging and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring
benevolent god create animals (including man) that need to painfully kill
and eat other animals to survive?
World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.
World II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all
ages and religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more
millions maimed for life.
The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed the lives of 200,000 men, women and
children of all religious persuasions. Over 100,000 of these were totally
INNOCENT children!
There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th, 14th.
and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
totally innocent children.
The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
innocent children indiscriminately.
Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and
malnutrition.
These indiscriminately afflicted the young and old, atheists and those of
all religious persuasions.
Meanwhile MAN, not god, has developed defenses and cures for hundreds of
serious diseases. Man has learned to create shelter, heat and cooling,
purify water, world wide electronic communications, power and transportation
systems including flying through the air.
Perhaps your loving and caring god is actually a cruel, heartless, mean and
torturing tyrant. If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you think
he will let us enjoy peace and eternal happiness in his Heaven? And why does
he keep all this a secret by preventing communication with our dead parents,
siblings and friends?
There are thousands of religious and god beliefs but NO OJECTIVE VERIFIABLE
EVIDENCE for the actual existence of ANY gods. ALL god beliefs are based on
the 'opinions' of errant men.
If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent god. Nor is he an "Intelligent Designer". The
objective evidence is if there is a god creator, he has NO concern about the
welfare of the creatures on Earth.
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created gods!
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: NO EVIDENCE FOR GODS |
30 Aug 2006 07:42:57 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:03:53 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Debster" <mountainhomeNOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I am not lying about there being evidence. I see the evidence, you don't.
Simple. The evidence has been provided for everyone to see.
What evidence?
Some choose
not to see it, or more accurately, refuse to call it that. Look around
you.....closely and intently. Think. A good analogy would be the way
the blind rely heavily on their other senses to function. Use your other
senses. Tune in. Figuratively speaking. Don't focus on the imperfect
things in life, because much of that was created by man. Focus on the
miraculous, wonderous, complex and beautiful things in life. The balance
of nature, etc.. Chance? Happenstance? I doubt it.
Been there - Done that. Doesn't prove any god(s) existence. That's merely
wishful thinking on your part.
Got any real evidence? Anything objective? Verifiable? Or just "look at
the pretty flowers" sorta stuff?
Hey, another one!
1. Ooo, pretty flowers!
2. Therefore, god!
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: NO EVIDENCE FOR GODS |
29 Aug 2006 03:11:50 PM |
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"Debster" <mountainhomeNOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:32:01 -0600, "Debster"
<mountainhomeNOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote:
Hmmmm, I can't really remember ever ramming my beliefs down anyone's
throat.
As a matter of fact, I really don't share my beliefs with people too
heavily
unless they show some interest in wanting to hear about it. I mean,
people
know I'm a Christian, but unless someone appears to be genuinely
interested
as to how I can be such a happy person in such a crappy world, then I
keep
it to myself. No use talking to walls and all.
Maybe not, but you lie about us to our faces, and lie about there
being evidecne.
And when called on it you rudely preach at us.
Myserious being? No mystery in it for me at all. My belief isn't
anymore
outrageous than your apparent belief in some big bang theory, if that's
what
you believe. No more outrageous than believing in aliens. If you'd be
so
open minded as to read the following and really think about it, you might
understand where I'm coming from. All anyone has to do is look
around.....open their eyes....and really see. Some people just choose
not
to recognize the EVIDENCE.
What "the evidence" are you lying about us "just choosing not to
recognize"?
Either provide it or stop lying about us.
Romans 1:20 (King James Version)
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are
clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his
eternal
power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Even without the Spirit of God, without God having fully revealed Himself
to
a person, it is still possible for him to recognize that a creation
demands
the existence of a Creator. He can see that an intelligent Designer is
necessary rather than the natural world coming into existence by sheer
chance. Thus, God says that they are without excuse because they can
understand the things that can be known about Him, if they choose to
accept
it.
Can't you sociopaths ever say anything without preaching?
Yeah, yeah, it's from the Bible, a book you think is rubbish, but just
pretend for a minute that it isn't and cogitate on its meaning.
Don't be so fucking stupid. Or so in-your-face rude.
Can you explain in what way I was rude?
I am not lying about there being evidence. I see the evidence, you don't.
Simple. The evidence has been provided for everyone to see. Some choose
not to see it, or more accurately, refuse to call it that. Look around
you.....closely and intently. Think. A good analogy would be the way
the blind rely heavily on their other senses to function. Use your other
senses. Tune in. Figuratively speaking. Don't focus on the imperfect
things in life, because much of that was created by man. Focus on the
miraculous, wonderous, complex and beautiful things in life. The balance
of nature, etc.. Chance? Happenstance? I doubt it.
This is not 'evidence' it is pure unsubstantiated 'opinion'!
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| User: "Son of Discord" |
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| Title: Re: NO EVIDENCE FOR GODS |
29 Aug 2006 11:48:27 AM |
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In alt.atheism Debster shared this wisdom:
<snip>
I am not lying about there being evidence. I see the evidence, you don't.
Simple.
If it can't be tested and verified, it ain't evidence.
The evidence has been provided for everyone to see.
No, 'it' hasn't. Disagree? Then how about presenting it -- right here,
right now.
Proof on the table.
<snip>
"Son of Discord"
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
" . . The bible is crap, people who believe it
are idiots, and blasphemy is a victimless
crime because the whole fetid pile of
christianic mythology is a ficticious crock of *****."
-Stix, undefeated former Warlord of the BAAWA
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
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| User: "Debster" |
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| Title: Re: NO EVIDENCE FOR GODS |
29 Aug 2006 12:04:49 PM |
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"Son of Discord" <Leviathan12@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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In alt.atheism Debster shared this wisdom:
<snip>
I am not lying about there being evidence. I see the evidence, you don't.
Simple.
If it can't be tested and verified, it ain't evidence.
The evidence has been provided for everyone to see.
No, 'it' hasn't. Disagree? Then how about presenting it -- right here,
right now.
Proof on the table.
Hmmmm, I guess the grass, trees, birds, etc., in my yard are a figment of my
imagination? Or, don't you have those things wherever you are? Probably
the miracle of reproduction, the balance of nature, the *fill in the blank*
of what makes me like no one else. The seasons, the way the earth has
supplied us with our every need.
I call that evidence. You call it whatever you want, just don't call it
"chance".
To call someone a "liar" in this scenario is disingenuous and designed to
provoke a fight. That's all.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: NO EVIDENCE FOR GODS |
29 Aug 2006 03:04:59 PM |
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"Debster" <mountainhomeNOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Son of Discord" <Leviathan12@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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In alt.atheism Debster shared this wisdom:
<snip>
I am not lying about there being evidence. I see the evidence, you
don't.
Simple.
If it can't be tested and verified, it ain't evidence.
The evidence has been provided for everyone to see.
No, 'it' hasn't. Disagree? Then how about presenting it -- right here,
right now.
Proof on the table.
Hmmmm, I guess the grass, trees, birds, etc., in my yard are a figment of
my imagination?
I would hope not - However, it's not evidence that a god exists.
Or, don't you have those things wherever you are? Probably
the miracle of reproduction, the balance of nature, the *fill in the
blank* of what makes me like no one else. The seasons, the way the earth
has supplied us with our every need.
I call that evidence. You call it whatever you want, just don't call it
"chance".
Well, it certainly ISN'T evidence and I'll call it whatever I damn well
please, missy.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "Debster" |
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| Title: Re: NO EVIDENCE FOR GODS |
29 Aug 2006 03:04:24 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Debster" <mountainhomeNOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Son of Discord" <Leviathan12@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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In alt.atheism Debster shared this wisdom:
<snip>
I am not lying about there being evidence. I see the evidence, you
don't.
Simple.
If it can't be tested and verified, it ain't evidence.
The evidence has been provided for everyone to see.
No, 'it' hasn't. Disagree? Then how about presenting it -- right here,
right now.
Proof on the table.
Hmmmm, I guess the grass, trees, birds, etc., in my yard are a figment of
my imagination?
I would hope not - However, it's not evidence that a god exists.
Or, don't you have those things wherever you are? Probably
the miracle of reproduction, the balance of nature, the *fill in the
blank* of what makes me like no one else. The seasons, the way the earth
has supplied us with our every need.
I call that evidence. You call it whatever you want, just don't call it
"chance".
Well, it certainly ISN'T evidence and I'll call it whatever I damn well
please, missy.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
Well you do that! ::stomps away::
Tee Hee
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: NO EVIDENCE FOR GODS |
29 Aug 2006 03:58:54 PM |
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"Debster" <mountainhomeNOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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Well, it certainly ISN'T evidence and I'll call it whatever I damn well
please, missy.
\
Well you do that! ::stomps away::
Tee Hee
LOL - Did somebody say "Sassy"? ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: NO EVIDENCE FOR GODS |
29 Aug 2006 07:17:46 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:04:24 -0600, "Debster"
<mountainhomeNOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote:
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Debster" <mountainhomeNOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Son of Discord" <Leviathan12@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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In alt.atheism Debster shared this wisdom:
<snip>
I am not lying about there being evidence. I see the evidence, you
don't.
Simple.
If it can't be tested and verified, it ain't evidence.
The evidence has been provided for everyone to see.
No, 'it' hasn't. Disagree? Then how about presenting it -- right here,
right now.
Proof on the table.
Hmmmm, I guess the grass, trees, birds, etc., in my yard are a figment of
my imagination?
I would hope not - However, it's not evidence that a god exists.
Or, don't you have those things wherever you are? Probably
the miracle of reproduction, the balance of nature, the *fill in the
blank* of what makes me like no one else. The seasons, the way the earth
has supplied us with our every need.
I call that evidence. You call it whatever you want, just don't call it
"chance".
Well, it certainly ISN'T evidence and I'll call it whatever I damn well
please, missy.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
Well you do that! ::stomps away::
Tee Hee
At last, displaying an appropriate response to match your mental
sophistication.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: NO EVIDENCE FOR GODS |
29 Aug 2006 12:26:22 PM |
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Debster wrote:
"Son of Discord" <Leviathan12@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:r1r8f2hod1h5f3nnv063fqp5hinskofsr7@4ax.com...
In alt.atheism Debster shared this wisdom:
<snip>
I am not lying about there being evidence. I see the evidence, you don't.
Simple.
If it can't be tested and verified, it ain't evidence.
The evidence has been provided for everyone to see.
No, 'it' hasn't. Disagree? Then how about presenting it -- right here,
right now.
Proof on the table.
Hmmmm, I guess the grass, trees, birds, etc., in my yard are a figment of my
imagination? Or, don't you have those things wherever you are?
===>No, they are products of Nature.
Ther was no "god" planting them or producing them.
The birds hatched out of eggs, were not sculpted out of mud
as described in the Genesis fable. -- L.
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Debster" |
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| Title: Re: NO EVIDENCE FOR GODS |
29 Aug 2006 12:51:03 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
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Debster wrote:
"Son of Discord" <Leviathan12@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:r1r8f2hod1h5f3nnv063fqp5hinskofsr7@4ax.com...
In alt.atheism Debster shared this wisdom:
<snip>
I am not lying about there being evidence. I see the evidence, you
don't.
Simple.
If it can't be tested and verified, it ain't evidence.
The evidence has been provided for everyone to see.
No, 'it' hasn't. Disagree? Then how about presenting it -- right here,
right now.
Proof on the table.
Hmmmm, I guess the grass, trees, birds, etc., in my yard are a figment of
my
imagination? Or, don't you have those things wherever you are?
===>No, they are products of Nature.
Ther was no "god" planting them or producing them.
The birds hatched out of eggs, were not sculpted out of mud
as described in the Genesis fable. -- L.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Well, whatever. It all started somewhere and somehow and that's the part
that's really in question here. Who really has the proof either
way....*really*. Anyhoo, the whole thing is....I'm not "lying", it's just
what I personally call evidence. You can call it whatever you like.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: NO EVIDENCE FOR GODS |
29 Aug 2006 03:10:59 PM |
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"Debster" <mountainhomeNOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
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Debster wrote:
"Son of Discord" <Leviathan12@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:r1r8f2hod1h5f3nnv063fqp5hinskofsr7@4ax.com...
In alt.atheism Debster shared this wisdom:
<snip>
I am not lying about there being evidence. I see the evidence, you
don't.
Simple.
If it can't be tested and verified, it ain't evidence.
The evidence has been provided for everyone to see.
No, 'it' hasn't. Disagree? Then how about presenting it -- right here,
right now.
Proof on the table.
Hmmmm, I guess the grass, trees, birds, etc., in my yard are a figment
of my
imagination? Or, don't you have those things wherever you are?
===>No, they are products of Nature.
Ther was no "god" planting them or producing them.
The birds hatched out of eggs, were not sculpted out of mud
as described in the Genesis fable. -- L.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Well, whatever. It all started somewhere and somehow and that's the part
that's really in question here. Who really has the proof either
way....*really*. Anyhoo, the whole thing is....I'm not "lying", it's
just
what I personally call evidence. You can call it whatever you like.
Okey dokey - "Wishful Thinking".
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: NO EVIDENCE FOR GODS |
30 Aug 2006 06:44:01 PM |
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Debster wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:44F478BE.AE0AECFF@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Debster wrote:
"Son of Discord" <Leviathan12@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:r1r8f2hod1h5f3nnv063fqp5hinskofsr7@4ax.com...
In alt.atheism Debster shared this wisdom:
<snip>
I am not lying about there being evidence. I see the evidence, you
don't.
Simple.
If it can't be tested and verified, it ain't evidence.
The evidence has been provided for everyone to see.
No, 'it' hasn't. Disagree? Then how about presenting it -- right here,
right now.
Proof on the table.
Hmmmm, I guess the grass, trees, birds, etc., in my yard are a figment of
my
imagination? Or, don't you have those things wherever you are?
===>No, they are products of Nature.
Ther was no "god" planting them or producing them.
The birds hatched out of eggs, were not sculpted out of mud
as described in the Genesis fable. -- L.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Well, whatever. It all started somewhere and somehow
===>That is the human fallacy.
The "ALL" did not start anywhere or any "how".
ALL has always existed and will always exist,
through its temporary, ephemeral appearances. -- L.
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Debster" |
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| Title: Re: NO EVIDENCE FOR GODS |
30 Aug 2006 07:49:31 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:44F622C1.9B523A37@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Debster wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:44F478BE.AE0AECFF@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Debster wrote:
"Son of Discord" <Leviathan12@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:r1r8f2hod1h5f3nnv063fqp5hinskofsr7@4ax.com...
In alt.atheism Debster shared this wisdom:
<snip>
I am not lying about there being evidence. I see the evidence, you
don't.
Simple.
If it can't be tested and verified, it ain't evidence.
The evidence has been provided for everyone to see.
No, 'it' hasn't. Disagree? Then how about presenting it -- right
here,
right now.
Proof on the table.
Hmmmm, I guess the grass, trees, birds, etc., in my yard are a figment
of
my
imagination? Or, don't you have those things wherever you are?
===>No, they are products of Nature.
Ther was no "god" planting them or producing them.
The birds hatched out of eggs, were not sculpted out of mud
as described in the Genesis fable. -- L.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Well, whatever. It all started somewhere and somehow
===>That is the human fallacy.
The "ALL" did not start anywhere or any "how".
ALL has always existed and will always exist,
through its temporary, ephemeral appearances. -- L.
With all respect to you....could you please explain how that doesn't sound
as crazy as how you say *we* sound in what we believe. How do you know
that??
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: NO EVIDENCE FOR GODS - ETERNAL COSMOS |
01 Sep 2006 07:13:41 PM |
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Debster wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:44F622C1.9B523A37@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Debster wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:44F478BE.AE0AECFF@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Debster wrote:
"Son of Discord" <Leviathan12@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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In alt.atheism Debster shared this wisdom:
<snip>
I am not lying about there being evidence. I see the evidence, you
don't.
Simple.
If it can't be tested and verified, it ain't evidence.
The evidence has been provided for everyone to see.
No, 'it' hasn't. Disagree? Then how about presenting it -- right
here,
right now.
Proof on the table.
Hmmmm, I guess the grass, trees, birds, etc., in my yard are a figment
of
my
imagination? Or, don't you have those things wherever you are?
===>No, they are products of Nature.
Ther was no "god" planting them or producing them.
The birds hatched out of eggs, were not sculpted out of mud
as described in the Genesis fable. -- L.
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Well, whatever. It all started somewhere and somehow
===>That is the human fallacy.
The "ALL" did not start anywhere or any "how".
ALL has always existed and will always exist,
through its temporary, ephemeral appearances. -- L.
With all respect to you....could you please explain how that doesn't sound
as crazy as how you say *we* sound in what we believe. How do you know
that??
===>PRINCIPLE OF CONSERVATION.
Things don't come from nothing,
things don't become nothing.
By definition, "nothing" does not exist.
Thus, the SUBSTANCE of all that exists,
has always existed.
ALL IS ONE.
But it is, and is in, a constant FLUX, changing and
producing new manifestations, new ephemeral
appearances.
The appearance of no single part of the Cosmos is
permanent, it is all transformed constantly, all
is recycled.
Finally, do you need proof to show that the Cosmos
exists?
It is absurd to think that once it did not exist.
It is absurd to think or say that some super-intelligence
existed before there was a Cosmos, especially since there
never was a "before". -- L.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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29 Aug 2006 02:17:33 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:51:03 -0600, "Debster"
<mountainhomeNOSPAM@comcast.net> spake thusly:
===>No, they are products of Nature.
Ther was no "god" planting them or producing them.
The birds hatched out of eggs, were not sculpted out of mud
as described in the Genesis fable. -- L.
Well, whatever. It all started somewhere and somehow and that's the part
that's really in question here. Who really has the proof either
way....*really*. Anyhoo, the whole thing is....I'm not "lying", it's just
what I personally call evidence. You can call it whatever you like.
Either God created as He said He did, or the Bible is a lie.
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till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34
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"For the word of God is sharper than any two edged sword."
Satan subtracts and divides. God adds and multiplies.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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30 Aug 2006 06:47:35 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:51:03 -0600, "Debster"
<mountainhomeNOSPAM@comcast.net> spake thusly:
===>No, they are products of Nature.
Ther was no "god" planting them or producing them.
The birds hatched out of eggs, were not sculpted out of mud
as described in the Genesis fable. -- L.
Well, whatever. It all started somewhere and somehow and that's the part
that's really in question here. Who really has the proof either
way....*really*. Anyhoo, the whole thing is....I'm not "lying", it's just
what I personally call evidence. You can call it whatever you like.
Either God created as He said He did, or the Bible is a lie.
===>The Bible is NOT a lie,
it is a collection of STORIES and ideas, opinions,
speculations and fantasies of MEN.
No "God" said anything about anything.
The LIE is attributing a book to "God" and
calling it the "Word of God". -- L.
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| User: "duke" |
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31 Aug 2006 05:51:07 PM |
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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:47:35 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
===>The Bible is NOT a lie,
it is a collection of STORIES and ideas, opinions,
speculations and fantasies of MEN.
Revealed by God.
No "God" said anything about anything.
The LIE is attributing a book to "God" and
calling it the "Word of God". -- L.
Well, he's the one that said these things.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "ZenIsWhen" |
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31 Aug 2006 05:59:17 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:47:35 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
===>The Bible is NOT a lie,
it is a collection of STORIES and ideas, opinions,
speculations and fantasies of MEN.
Revealed by God.
No "God" said anything about anything.
The LIE is attributing a book to "God" and
calling it the "Word of God". -- L.
Well, he's the one that said these things.
"I am "GOD" is one of the most INSANE CALIMS ever spouted!
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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31 Aug 2006 05:53:24 PM |
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:51:07 -0500, in alt.atheism
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
<ptpef2t2o72uc6v9ra1or4n9k0gcm6og6m@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:47:35 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
===>The Bible is NOT a lie,
it is a collection of STORIES and ideas, opinions,
speculations and fantasies of MEN.
Revealed by God.
How can we determine that? All sorts of religious texts are supposedly
from God. The Koran was dictated by God to Mohammed.
No "God" said anything about anything.
The LIE is attributing a book to "God" and
calling it the "Word of God". -- L.
Well, he's the one that said these things.
Did He? How can we tell?
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| User: "duke" |
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10 Sep 2006 08:46:46 AM |
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:53:24 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:51:07 -0500, in alt.atheism
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
<ptpef2t2o72uc6v9ra1or4n9k0gcm6og6m@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:47:35 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
===>The Bible is NOT a lie,
it is a collection of STORIES and ideas, opinions,
speculations and fantasies of MEN.
Revealed by God.
How can we determine that? All sorts of religious texts are supposedly
from God. The Koran was dictated by God to Mohammed.
Does the koran say to kill in his name?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Dichard Rawkins" |
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10 Sep 2006 12:30:19 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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Does the koran say to kill in his name?
The Old Testament says to kill infidels, even if they are your loved ones. Does
that invalidate it in your eyes?
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***Free Your Mind***
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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01 Sep 2006 07:37:30 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:47:35 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
===>The Bible is NOT a lie,
it is a collection of STORIES and ideas, opinions,
speculations and fantasies of MEN.
Revealed by God.
===>CLAIMED TO HAVE BEEN
"Revealed". Which is a LIE!
No "God" said anything about anything.
The LIE is attributing a book to "God" and
calling it the "Word of God". -- L.
Well, he's the one that said these things.
===>Who is "the one"???
It is the HUMAN WRITER! -- L.
--
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: NO EVIDENCE FOR GODS -- THE LIE IS... |
06 Sep 2006 11:07:29 AM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
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duke wrote:
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:47:35 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
===>The Bible is NOT a lie,
it is a collection of STORIES and ideas, opinions,
speculations and fantasies of MEN.
Revealed by God.
===>CLAIMED TO HAVE BEEN
"Revealed". Which is a LIE!
No "God" said anything about anything.
The LIE is attributing a book to "God" and
calling it the "Word of God". -- L.
Well, he's the one that said these things.
===>Who is "the one"???
It is the HUMAN WRITER! -- L.
Is that why you never document or reference your opinions, because
references originated from "HUMAN WRITERS"? You sound like one who is
waiting for "the writing upon the wall". LOL
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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09 Sep 2006 09:41:31 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:44F8D24A.DF0525C2@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
duke wrote:
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:47:35 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
===>The Bible is NOT a lie,
it is a collection of STORIES and ideas, opinions,
speculations and fantasies of MEN.
Revealed by God.
===>CLAIMED TO HAVE BEEN
"Revealed". Which is a LIE!
No "God" said anything about anything.
The LIE is attributing a book to "God" and
calling it the "Word of God". -- L.
Well, he's the one that said these things.
===>Who is "the one"???
It is the HUMAN WRITER! -- L.
Is that why you never document or reference your opinions,
===>That is a LIE you have repeatedly posted, despite
the fact you have seen read, and even responded to my
posts in which I cited RELEVANT references.
because
references originated from "HUMAN WRITERS"?
===>Except for verifiable historical and scientific
REPORTS, ALL WRITINGS/SCRIPTURES are the ideas, opinions,
speculations and fantasies of "HUMAN WRITERS".
You sound like one who is
waiting for "the writing upon the wall". LOL
===>I am waiting for the "miracle" of you,
fake "pastor", stopping your lies. But of course
you enjoy lying so much, that "miracle" will probably
never happen.
E.g. I ALWAYS reference what I write, whenever appropriate,
but do not quote bible verses twisted out of meaning
and taken out of context repeatedly, as you keep on doing.
When will you stop lying? -- L.
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| User: "Debster" |
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| Title: Re: NO EVIDENCE FOR GODS |
29 Aug 2006 02:34:31 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <_-ananias917-_@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:7l49f2tsntk0n34vuhm5le2blvduc8f211@4ax.com...
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:51:03 -0600, "Debster"
<mountainhomeNOSPAM@comcast.net> spake thusly:
===>No, they are products of Nature.
Ther was no "god" planting them or producing them.
The birds hatched out of eggs, were not sculpted out of mud
as described in the Genesis fable. -- L.
Well, whatever. It all started somewhere and somehow and that's the part
that's really in question here. Who really has the proof either
way....*really*. Anyhoo, the whole thing is....I'm not "lying", it's
just
what I personally call evidence. You can call it whatever you like.
Either God created as He said He did, or the Bible is a lie.
Yes, you have no arguement here, but you're kinda preaching to the choir if
this is your reply to me.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: NO EVIDENCE FOR GODS |
29 Aug 2006 03:05:25 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:51:03 -0600, "Debster"
<mountainhomeNOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:44F478BE.AE0AECFF@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Debster wrote:
"Son of Discord" <Leviathan12@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:r1r8f2hod1h5f3nnv063fqp5hinskofsr7@4ax.com...
In alt.atheism Debster shared this wisdom:
<snip>
I am not lying about there being evidence. I see the evidence, you
don't.
Simple.
If it can't be tested and verified, it ain't evidence.
The evidence has been provided for everyone to see.
No, 'it' hasn't. Disagree? Then how about presenting it -- right here,
right now.
Proof on the table.
Hmmmm, I guess the grass, trees, birds, etc., in my yard are a figment of
my
imagination? Or, don't you have those things wherever you are?
===>No, they are products of Nature.
Ther was no "god" planting them or producing them.
The birds hatched out of eggs, were not sculpted out of mud
as described in the Genesis fable. -- L.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Well, whatever. It all started somewhere and somehow and that's the part
that's really in question here. Who really has the proof either
way....*really*. Anyhoo, the whole thing is....I'm not "lying", it's just
what I personally call evidence. You can call it whatever you like.
Yes you are, liar, because you are deluding yourself if you pretend
that is evidecne.
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| User: "Debster" |
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29 Aug 2006 03:46:47 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:51:03 -0600, "Debster"
<mountainhomeNOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:44F478BE.AE0AECFF@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Debster wrote:
"Son of Discord" <Leviathan12@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:r1r8f2hod1h5f3nnv063fqp5hinskofsr7@4ax.com...
In alt.atheism Debster shared this wisdom:
<snip>
I am not lying about there being evidence. I see the evidence, you
don't.
Simple.
If it can't be tested and verified, it ain't evidence.
The evidence has been provided for everyone to see.
No, 'it' hasn't. Disagree? Then how about presenting it -- right
here,
right now.
Proof on the table.
Hmmmm, I guess the grass, trees, birds, etc., in my yard are a figment
of
my
imagination? Or, don't you have those things wherever you are?
===>No, they are products of Nature.
Ther was no "god" planting them or producing them.
The birds hatched out of eggs, were not sculpted out of mud
as described in the Genesis fable. -- L.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Well, whatever. It all started somewhere and somehow and that's the part
that's really in question here. Who really has the proof either
way....*really*. Anyhoo, the whole thing is....I'm not "lying", it's
just
what I personally call evidence. You can call it whatever you like.
Yes you are, liar, because you are deluding yourself if you pretend
that is evidecne.
Ok, Christopher.....whatever you say. I told you how I feel about and
that's all I can tell ya. *shrug*
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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29 Aug 2006 04:31:35 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:46:47 -0600, "Debster"
<mountainhomeNOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote:
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:4f79f25nfgfalh2viane99mfrmp6s6srkk@4ax.com...
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:51:03 -0600, "Debster"
<mountainhomeNOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:44F478BE.AE0AECFF@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Debster wrote:
"Son of Discord" <Leviathan12@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:r1r8f2hod1h5f3nnv063fqp5hinskofsr7@4ax.com...
In alt.atheism Debster shared this wisdom:
<snip>
I am not lying about there being evidence. I see the evidence, you
don't.
Simple.
If it can't be tested and verified, it ain't evidence.
The evidence has been provided for everyone to see.
No, 'it' hasn't. Disagree? Then how about presenting it -- right
here,
right now.
Proof on the table.
Hmmmm, I guess the grass, trees, birds, etc., in my yard are a figment
of
my
imagination? Or, don't you have those things wherever you are?
===>No, they are products of Nature.
Ther was no "god" planting them or producing them.
The birds hatched out of eggs, were not sculpted out of mud
as described in the Genesis fable. -- L.
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Well, whatever. It all started somewhere and somehow and that's the part
that's really in question here. Who really has the proof either
way....*really*. Anyhoo, the whole thing is....I'm not "lying", it's
just
what I personally call evidence. You can call it whatever you like.
Yes you are, liar, because you are deluding yourself if you pretend
that is evidecne.
Ok, Christopher.....whatever you say. I told you how I feel about and
that's all I can tell ya. *shrug*
Translation: you know you have nothing but can't admit it.
We don't give a ***** about what you feel. You should have kept it to
yourself, but because you didn't you begged the question that instead
of answering you resorted to lies and slanders.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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30 Aug 2006 09:02:59 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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We don't give a ***** about what you feel. You should have kept it to
yourself, but because you didn't you begged the question that instead
of answering you resorted to lies and slanders.
ROFL Now there is one of Satan's minions in full screech doing his job,
and in the hope that silencing Christians will get him a reward. Will he be
surprised when Christopher sees the "reward" that Satan, the father of all
lies, has in store for him!!
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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20 Sep 2006 06:33:10 PM |
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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:02:59 -0400, "Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:5bc9f21fn2joqs3u8865687f5ol5oi0p9r@4ax.com...
We don't give a ***** about what you feel. You should have kept it to
yourself, but because you didn't you begged the question that instead
of answering you resorted to lies and slanders.
ROFL Now there is one of Satan's minions in full screech doing his job,
and in the hope that silencing Christians will get him a reward. Will he be
surprised when Christopher sees the "reward" that Satan, the father of all
lies, has in store for him!!
When we first see Satan in the Bible he is defying God and exposing
God's lies so that we could have free will. After that God hid Satan and
slandered him without allowing him to defend himself.
Barry
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Home page
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
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