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"The Spew Queen" |
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16 Oct 2005 02:17:20 PM |
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No Excuses! |
A DAY IS A DAY, NO EXCUSES!
Have you been reading the latest from the Catholic church?
Apparently they have decided to admit in the face of OVERWHELMING
EVIDENCE that Evolution did indeed happen. Gee, they’ve come along
way! I suppose since they aren’t a government any more that can’t
poke out the eyes of leading scientists like they did in Galileo’s
day. Shouldn’t evolution invalidate the Biblical/Pentateuch creation
account, hence throwing Christianity in the toilet? (Even orthodox
Jews are now claiming that Genesis is metaphorical and not literal.)
Why yes it should, but the Catholic church presented a loop hole that
the masses have been touting as a mantra ever since. I’m sure you all
heard the lie they are spreading, the lie which tries to reconcile
evolution with the 6 days of creation. It’s the “a day can be like a
thousand years to god” lie! Here is an excellent example of this lie
in use:
The Jehovah’s Witnesses argument that each of the six days encompasses
thousands of years:
“... some may say even the idea of this planet passing from a
‘formless and waste’ condition to its present form with continents,
forests, plants, animals, and men, all in just six 24-hour days--this
still is incredible! But where does the Genesis account say that the
6 days were 24-hours each? Though some religious groups teach this,
the Genesis account does not say it. You yourself use the expression
‘day’ in a broad sense of your ‘grandfather’s day.’ Likewise the
Bible often used the word ‘day’ in a broad sense-Genesis 2:4. Keep in
mind that the works spoken of in the first chapter of Genesis are
those of God, not of man... Are God’s ‘days’ of work controlled by the
rotation of this globe? Obviously not. Of God, the Bible says: ’One
day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one
day’(2 Peter 3:8). And that even to God a ‘day’ can have more than one
meaning is seen when comparing this text with Psalm 90:4 which says:
‘A thousand years are in your eyes but. . .as a watch during the
night.’ So it is plain that the word ‘day’ can be used to refer to a
24-hour day, a person’s lifetime, 1,000 years or even longer” (Is the
Bible Really the Word of God, p.18-19).
You free thinkers reading this are surely nodding your head
knowing the fault in this circular reasoning. You Christians reading
this are probably still clinging to the mantra like a pedophile to a 6
year old boy. Well, no matter how hard you try to hold on Jesus
pimps, I’m going to blow a hole through your lie and spread it’s short
comings to everyone I meet. We all know I find it my self appointed
duty to expose the Christian/Jewish scriptures. Which is precisely
what I’ll do right now:
FACT: the world is at least 4.6 billion years old. The bible
claims to be approximately 6,500. Christians try to argue this by
saying the usage of the word “day” in genesis is actually a term for
thousands of years in time. This rationalization, they believe can
help evolution be accepted into the bible. In other words Christians
are trying to say that the word “day” is not meant to be as a 24 hour
period. This idea is COMPLETELY FALSE AND NOT PLAUSIBLE. All it
takes is a little research into the meaning of the Hebrew word for day
and the usage of it in consistency. Of course, it should be common
knowledge that the first five books of the Old Testament were written
in Hebrew. The Hebrew word for day used in the genesis is account is
“yom”, which is a definite 24-hour period. Christians attempt to say
that because there was no sun until the fourth day, that the word yom
is null and void. This cant be, for the lord claimed there was light,
a morning and an evening PRIOR to the sun being created, hence the sun
was not even needed. (Also note another contradiction here, that
Christians/Jews refuse to notice. They’ll claim the word yom is void
because there is no sun, yet that would mean that there couldn’t have
been light or a way to decipher between morning and evening. Obviously
this is a MAJOR scientific blunder on Jehovah’s behalf.) Now this
fact alone pretty much blows the ***** out of the bible, but let’s
pretend to accept the word yom is really meant for eons of time, how
then can we reconcile the following?:
1) If a day is an era, why are an evening and a morning even
mentioned? Actual days must be intended, otherwise, men who lived
hundreds of years, e.g., Seth and Noah, would really have lived
millions of years. If a day is an era, then a year must be
tremendously long, perhaps encompassing hundreds of millions of years;
2) If a day is an era, then much of the Old Testament becomes chaotic.
For example, in each of the following verses the same Hebrew word
“yom” is employed: “And the flood was forty days upon the earth”
(Genesis 7: 1 7), “And he [Moses] was there with the Lord forty days
and forty nights” (Exodus 34:28), and “Thus I fell down before the
Lord forty days and forty nights...” (Deuteronomy 9:25). If “yom”
means era instead of a 24-hour period, Moses was “there with the Lord”
for a VERY long time.
3) If a day means more than 24-hour period, then how are we to
interpret the following verses, as well as scores of others. “Six
days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the
Sabbath. . . . in it thou shalt not work... For in six days the Lord
made heaven and earth… and rested the seventh day” (Exodus 20:9-11).
4) Genesis 1:16 (“And God made two great lights: The greater light to
rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night”) states the sun
rules the day and the moon rules the night. This obviously is
referring to time as we know it, time with days that are 24 hours long
with daylight ruling half of each.
5) Adam was made on the sixth day (Genesis 1:26-31) which was
supposedly thousand of years long. This was followed by the 7th day
which was also thousands of years long. Following the 7th day, Adam
fell into sin and was expelled from the Garden. This would mean Adam
lived thousands of years, which is false, since he died at age 930
(Genesis 5:5).
6) Genesis 1:5 surely spoke of literal day and literal night, and the
inference from the statement, “And the evening and the morning were
the first day,” is that it was a literal day of evening and morning,
24-hours. There is no Biblical evidence that the days of this chapter
were longer periods.
7) If we do try to buy into what the Jehovah’s quote as “a day can be
a thousand years” even this isn’t sufficient enough time. For the
earth is at least 4.6 billion. The biblical passages concerning time
should’ve read that days can be like MILLIONS of years. Obviously,
their claim falls apart under mathematic speculation.
For those of you Christians who are STILL clinging to the idea that
evolution can be reconciled with the bible, take a little advice from
one of your own brethren on the matter. The following is a CHRISTIAN
AUTHOR who admits that the word yom does mean a 24 hour period in the
creation account:
"The Hebrew word for ‘day’ is ‘yom’ and this word can occasionally be
used to mean an indefinite period of time, if the content warrants.
In the overwhelming preponderance of its occurrences in the O.T.,
however, it means a literal day… Still further, the plural form of
the word (Hebrew 'yamim') is used over 700 times in the O.T. and
always, without exception, refers to literal ‘days.’" (The Bible Has
the Answers, Henry Morris, p. 94).
Obviously even Creationist Morris admits the idea that each day
represented an era is ridiculous. Not only is the day-age theory
unacceptable scripturally, but it also is grossly in conflict with the
geological position with which it attempts to compromise. My
suggestion? Make a valid justification as to how the creation account
can be plausible, until then don’t pimp feeble lies to cover up for
your even more errant book.
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| User: "Horai" |
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| Title: Re: No Excuses! |
16 Oct 2005 04:50:57 PM |
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The Spew Queen wrote:
A DAY IS A DAY, NO EXCUSES!
FACT: the world is at least 4.6 billion years old. The bible
claims to be approximately 6,500.
Incorrect.
Christians try to argue this by
saying the usage of the word “day” in genesis is actually a term for
thousands of years in time. This rationalization, they believe can
help evolution be accepted into the bible.
Nope. How long does it take you to prepare a salt water tank?
1) If a day is an era, why are an evening and a morning even
mentioned?
To dtermine a star and a finish time.
2) If a day is an era, then much of the Old Testament becomes chaotic.
For example, in each of the following verses the same Hebrew word
“yom” is employed: “And the flood was forty days upon the earth”
(Genesis 7: 1 7), “And he [Moses] was there with the Lord forty days
and forty nights” (Exodus 34:28), and “Thus I fell down before the
Lord forty days and forty nights...” (Deuteronomy 9:25). If “yom”
means era instead of a 24-hour period, Moses was “there with the Lord”
for a VERY long time.
Apples and oranges.
3) If a day means more than 24-hour period, then how are we to
interpret the following verses, as well as scores of others. “Six
days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the
Sabbath. . . . in it thou shalt not work... For in six days the Lord
made heaven and earth… and rested the seventh day” (Exodus 20:9-11).
metaphor.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: No Excuses! |
19 Oct 2005 08:02:36 PM |
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The Spew Queen wrote:
A DAY IS A DAY, NO EXCUSES!
Have you been reading the latest from the Catholic church?
Apparently they have decided to admit in the face of OVERWHELMING
EVIDENCE that Evolution did indeed happen. Gee, they've come along
way!
My last contact with Catholic education was spring of 1957 as a junior being
asked not to come back to a Catholic High School. (I hold they did *not*
kick me out.) I was taught sometime before that that the only requirement
was that we must accept as faith the idea that god at some point was
involved. God created the universe but it could have done it with a big bang
or Last Thursday. At some point humans sinned and at some point god puts a
soul in us.
This was taught in Religion class ( a short class two or three days a week
with a speech class three or two days a week)
Religion, other than praying for wins in football (and recruiting from all
over the nation from catholic elementary schools. It was a boarding school)
was not mentioned in other classes, especially science classes.
Them Jesuits larned me gud.
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| User: "Gods Creator" |
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| Title: Re: No Excuses! |
19 Oct 2005 10:29:13 PM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
The Spew Queen wrote:
A DAY IS A DAY, NO EXCUSES!
Have you been reading the latest from the Catholic church?
Apparently they have decided to admit in the face of OVERWHELMING
EVIDENCE that Evolution did indeed happen. Gee, they've come along
way!
My last contact with Catholic education was spring of 1957 as a junior being
asked not to come back to a Catholic High School. (I hold they did *not*
kick me out.) I was taught sometime before that that the only requirement
was that we must accept as faith the idea that god at some point was
involved. God created the universe but it could have done it with a big bang
or Last Thursday. At some point humans sinned and at some point god puts a
soul in us.
This was taught in Religion class ( a short class two or three days a week
with a speech class three or two days a week)
Religion, other than praying for wins in football (and recruiting from all
over the nation from catholic elementary schools. It was a boarding school)
was not mentioned in other classes, especially science classes.
Them Jesuits larned me gud.
Thus Spake God's Creator; (I don't forgive *****!)
:) UNBELIEVABLE! :)
GOD'S CREATOR
...That was my only sin... :(
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Wise men challenge the unknown seeking more wisdom, others
fall on their hands and knees, close their eyes... and start mumbling...
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http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner/
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: No Excuses! |
16 Oct 2005 03:17:05 PM |
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on 16 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet The Spew Queen
(bark@the.moon.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
A DAY IS A DAY, NO EXCUSES!
Great. Now we have a copypaste troll working for us!
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Today's warm fuzzy example of Christian Love:
"1:19 And the LORD was with Judah; and he (JUDAH)drave out the
inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants
of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. IT WAS JUDAH YOU
DUMBFUCK.
Go back to masturbating to porn sites, you goddammned idiot."
-- Mikal 606
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: No Excuses! |
16 Oct 2005 03:33:06 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:17:05 -0500, in alt.atheism
Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote in
<Xns96F187647D578vicman@127.0.0.1>:
on 16 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet The Spew Queen
(bark@the.moon.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
A DAY IS A DAY, NO EXCUSES!
Great. Now we have a copypaste troll working for us!
Just as revolting and ignorant as when religious zealots do it.
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