Actually with more than "SOME" passing familiarity with the agency
(and other LE agencies in Utah) historically the agencies have
always had a disproportionately large population of Mormons on them.
Some municipal agencies were comprised of 100% LDS members in
communities with less than 50% LDS populations.

So, you're saying the police force in Tooele, Price, and Salt Lake
are or were 100% Mormon? Citation please.

Did I say "100%" DID I? Or did I say "disproportionately large"

You said "disproportionately large" and then added "Some municipal
agencies were comprised of 100% LDS". So yes, you did say 100%.

I think a quote may have gotten jumbled there. I may have screwed it
up, but I was quoting somebody else. I am not aware of ANY department in
Utah where ALL of the officers are LDS. There may be.

I don't recall Tooele having its own police department.

http://www.usacops.com/ut/p84074/

Do you suppose they are 100% LDS?

I have NO idea, must I have?

And I have NO idea about

Price. Murray was over 50%.
Under Sheriff Hayward the SLSD was well near 80% or higher. Provo was
almost 100% as was Ogden and Logan.

Again, let's look at what you said:

"Some municipal agencies were comprised of 100% LDS members in
communities with less than 50% LDS populations."

I believe that was not *MY* comment. I may have screwed up quotation.

Some? Name one. Name one community with less than 50% LDS population
that has a municipal agency comprised of 100% LDS members.

Okay if we want to play matching smartass games.. We could discuss
Hurricane, Utah. Since the people there are 100% part of a
"fundamentalist cult" and NOT LDS by any reasonable interpretation -
and the area is patrolled by the Sheriff's department (all LDS at one
time) I think that might qualify. BUT some folks would lump that group
in with LDS and we'd be jerking off over semantics all year.

Perhaps it's my reading comprehension. Are you saying that 100% of the
people in Hurricane are part of a fundamentalist cult? Proof?

Yeah Jack it is a tiny community and all of the people are what are
loosely called "fundamentalist Mormons" which is a misnomer. None of them
are LDS..
The last I saw they ALL were part of the cult there.

Wrong again.

http://hurricane.areaconnect.com/churches.htm

"nJb" <none@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:doflcg$e5g$1@news.xmission.com...

So, you're saying the police force in Tooele, Price, and Salt Lake are
or were 100% Mormon? Citation please.

Even I can see that this is NOT what he was saying. Where do you get
"the police force in Tooele, Price, and Salt Lake are or were 100%
Mormon" from quotes like ""some municipal agencies were comprised of
100% LDS members in communities with less than 50% LDS populations."
and saying that as a reserve member of the Sherrif's department in Salt
Lake City, he found about 80%?

<snip to end>

"Some municipal agencies were comprised of 100% LDS members in communities
with less than 50% LDS populations."

That was somebody else's statement I quoted it.

Name a police force comprised of 100% LDS members. "Police force" was the
topic. There might be a couple but not in communities with less than 50%
LDS populations but I'm listening.

*I* said "predominantly."

The crosses in Utah are put in place for one reason: that's to promote

the Christian religion. The fact that an officer gave his life in the line
of duty is sadly exploited for this purpose. Anyone who uses someone's
death to promote religion (or anything else for personal self fulfillment
or benefit) should be ashamed. Shame on you for supporting them.<
<<Yes it is! 100% Carol. The Christian Nazis are ONLY placing the crosses
to IMPOSE our religion on YOU!>>
Thanks for confirming that.

<<DING DONG! DING DONG! DING DONG!! >>
So, now you are with the Salvation Army?

The following is Bart Meltzer's letter to Ken Schram, KOMO 4 news
commentator, Seattle:
Dear Ken,

It's sad that you refuse to see past the end of your nose to the real
issue here. Or are you ignoring it on purpose? You and many others in the
media have made a good job of ignoring what really is at stake.
All you can see is the misperception that American Atheists doesn't care
about the sacrifices made by these officers. Nothing can be further from
the truth.

The crosses in Utah are put in place for one reason: that's to promote the
Christian religion. The fact that an officer gave his life in the line of
duty is sadly exploited for this purpose. Anyone who uses someone's death
to promote religion (or anything else for personal self fulfillment or
benefit) should be ashamed. Shame on you for supporting them.

Will anyone whizzing by these Christian icons even be able to read the
names of the troopers? ost likely not. They'll just see the cross which
is the intention. This is about government officials abusing their
governmental authority and funding to promote their personal religious
beliefs and using the deaths of fallen officers as an excuse to do it.
There are thousands of LEGAL ways to honor troopers or anyone else for
that matter. But this is about religion so people feel that they're above
the law.

We're wrong you say? This is about honoring the fallen troopers? That's a
croc of dung.

Why are these crosses limited to honoring troopers that have been killed
on the highway? How about if they were killed in a much less conspicuous
or even a seedy place? How about placing these crosses on back roads or
other venues like ally ways? Because no would see them that's why. So
only troopers killed in high traffic areas get honored? This is not about
honoring anyone, this is about product placement.

And why should we limit it to troopers recently killed? What is the time
line for earning a cross after death? We could go back to the first
troopers. And why limit it to just troopers? How about County, City, and
federal officers? Why limit it to officers? We can honor firefighters,
paramedics. We could include the entire population.
What if someone is killed in a restaurant or mall? We could have crosses
in every possible venue that someone gets killed. We could eliminate
cemeteries and just bury the bodies right on the spot. We can turn our
country into one big cemetery. Religious icons can liter the horizon.
Everywhere we look we can have someone's religious belief shoved in our
faces multiple times every day. And let's not limit it to just
Christians. We can include Jewish troopers, Muslim, Atheist, Wicca,
Satanists, maybe even Branch Davidians. There's tens of thousands of
Fairytales. Pick your favorite. Maybe they can even erect a huge
pentagram right in your front yard to honor a fallen officer who was a
Satanist.

Whoaaaaa..... Let's step on the brakes here. Are there any roadside
memorials that represent any of these other religions? One fairytale is
as good as any other isn't it? Apparently it isn't. There are no other
types of religious memorials on highways. No Jewish Stars. No
Pentagrams. Nothing other than crosses. Crosses, crosses, crosses.

Is that any surprise? Not to me it's not. The primary goal of
Christianity since it's invention 2000 years ago is to convert everyone on
the planet into Christians. From the Crusades to the inquisition to the
Holocaust, the primary goal of Christianity is to spread. The track record
is written in blood.

Maybe if certain religious government officials upheld the Constitution
instead of violating it to promote their monotheistic fairytale, we
wouldn't have to take these actions. And it is a fairytale Ken. A very
fragile one. That's why it needs the government to support it. Religion
wouldn't survive like it is with out government support.

One of the plaintiffs, Mike Rivers, is our Utah State Director. I'm his
boss for American Atheists. I encourage all of my state directors to be on
the lookout for any government officials that abuse their authority to
promote their preferred fairytale. It's the goal of American Atheists to
completely remove all religious encroachment from our government so that
all of can have equal treatment. You can believe what you want without the
government telling you you're wrong, and we can enjoy the same thing. We
will also not rest until every last tax dollar illegally given to
religious organizations is stopped. We're tired of paying the government
to prop up fragile religious
beliefs.

Nimrod? I like that one. We've been called much worse and have put up with
many physical attacks by religionists because we threaten government
support of their fragile fairytale. We'll continue to fight this illegal
activity.
Maybe when you wake up with a big pentagram or some other religious icon
placed in your front yard by the government or other entity you'll finally
figure it out. That's usually how apathetic people figure things out. When
it happens to them.

http://www.komotv.com/stories/40711.htm
Ken Schram Commentary: Another Atheist Cross To Bear December 12, 2005
By Ken Schram
SEATTLE - I think it must be the season.
The following is Bart Meltzer's letter to Ken Schram, KOMO 4 news
commentator, Seattle:
Dear Ken,

The crosses in Utah are put in place for one reason: that's to promote

the Christian religion. The fact that an officer gave his life in the line
of duty is sadly exploited for this purpose. Anyone who uses someone's
death to promote religion (or anything else for personal self fulfillment
or benefit) should be ashamed. Shame on you for supporting them.<<
Ken Pangborn's eloquent response:
<<*****!! >>

Shame on you for joining in this exploitation, Ken Pangborn.