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03 Dec 2003 12:08:31 PM |
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No funding for "Fringe" religions |
AMERICANS UNITED CRITICIZES ‘FAITH CZAR’ FOR COMMENTS ABOUT ‘FRINGE’
RELIGIONS
Towey Remarks Show Bush Administration Does Not Intend To Be Even-Handed In
‘Faith-Based’ Initiative, AU Charges
Americans United for Separation of Church and State has criticized White
House “Faith Czar” James Towey for suggesting that “fringe” religious
groups won’t get funding under the Bush administration’s “faith-based”
initiative.
During a Nov. 26 online “Ask the White House” question-and-answer session,
Towey was asked about the possibility of Pagan groups getting tax funding
to provide services to the poor and needy.
According to the White House transcript of the session, Towey replied, “I
haven't run into a pagan faith-based group yet, much less a pagan group
that cares for the poor! Once you make it clear to any applicant that
public money must go to public purposes and can't be used to promote
ideology, the fringe groups lose interest. Helping the poor is tough work
and only those with loving hearts seem drawn to it.”
In a letter delivered to Towey today, Americans United Executive Director
Barry W. Lynn asked the administration official to apologize to members of
the Pagan community and reaffirm his support for the principle that
government will treat all religions equally.
“Your reply is problematic for several reasons,” Lynn wrote to Towey. “Most
troublingly, it implies that the Bush administration intends to
discriminate against certain faith-groups from the outset. This is a
curious stand for you to take, as you have repeatedly insisted that the
administration will not play favorites among religious groups under the
faith-based initiative.”
Lynn urged Towey to retract the comments, writing, “I urge you today, first
of all, to apologize to the members of America’s Wiccan/Pagan community
and, secondly, to reaffirm the administration’s commitment to the principle
that no religious groups will be summarily excluded from faith-based
programs because of prejudicial or inaccurate perceptions of any religious
organization.”
Lynn charged that Towey and other administration officials have misled the
American people by claiming that the faith-based initiative will be open to
all religious groups but then asserting that certain groups will be
summarily denied funding.
“Government can’t play favorites when it comes to religion,” Lynn said. “If
religiously affiliated social services are funded, it must be done on an
even-handed basis. Mr. Towey’s recent comments indicate that the
administration does not seem to understand this basic principle.
“This incident demonstrates once again that the ‘faith-based’ initiative is
a bad idea,” Lynn concluded. “When government tries to fund religious
ministries, constitutional problems are inevitable.”
Americans United is a religious liberty watchdog group based in Washington,
D.C. Founded in 1947, the organization educates Americans about the
importance of church-state separation in safeguarding religious freedom.
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| User: "Dave Thompson" |
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| Title: Re: No funding for "Fringe" religions |
03 Dec 2003 02:17:37 PM |
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<buckeye-ELO@noapam.net> wrote in message
news:ok9ssv46ilf07nknojnb4uq5eikj5idh7k@4ax.com...
AMERICANS UNITED CRITICIZES 'FAITH CZAR' FOR COMMENTS ABOUT 'FRINGE'
RELIGIONS
Towey Remarks Show Bush Administration Does Not Intend To Be Even-Handed
In
'Faith-Based' Initiative, AU Charges
Americans United for Separation of Church and State has criticized White
House "Faith Czar" James Towey for suggesting that "fringe" religious
groups won't get funding under the Bush administration's "faith-based"
initiative.
During a Nov. 26 online "Ask the White House" question-and-answer session,
Towey was asked about the possibility of Pagan groups getting tax funding
to provide services to the poor and needy.
According to the White House transcript of the session, Towey replied, "I
haven't run into a pagan faith-based group yet, much less a pagan group
that cares for the poor! Once you make it clear to any applicant that
public money must go to public purposes and can't be used to promote
ideology, the fringe groups lose interest. Helping the poor is tough work
and only those with loving hearts seem drawn to it."
The real irony here is the part about telling religious groups they won't be
able to promote ideology. The fundamentalists were specifically told that
they would be able to proselytize to get them on board. If you remember, Pat
Robertson was against the Faith Based Initiative after he was told by the
original Faith Czar that fringe religions would have access, the EEO rules
would apply to them when hiring, and that proselytizing and charity programs
would have to be seperate. To get him on board they conceeded on all three
counts and got the Faith Czar to resign. The man is lying through his teeth.
In a letter delivered to Towey today, Americans United Executive Director
Barry W. Lynn asked the administration official to apologize to members of
the Pagan community and reaffirm his support for the principle that
government will treat all religions equally.
"Your reply is problematic for several reasons," Lynn wrote to Towey.
"Most
troublingly, it implies that the Bush administration intends to
discriminate against certain faith-groups from the outset. This is a
curious stand for you to take, as you have repeatedly insisted that the
administration will not play favorites among religious groups under the
faith-based initiative."
Lynn urged Towey to retract the comments, writing, "I urge you today,
first
of all, to apologize to the members of America's Wiccan/Pagan community
and, secondly, to reaffirm the administration's commitment to the
principle
that no religious groups will be summarily excluded from faith-based
programs because of prejudicial or inaccurate perceptions of any religious
organization."
Lynn charged that Towey and other administration officials have misled the
American people by claiming that the faith-based initiative will be open
to
all religious groups but then asserting that certain groups will be
summarily denied funding.
"Government can't play favorites when it comes to religion," Lynn said.
"If
religiously affiliated social services are funded, it must be done on an
even-handed basis. Mr. Towey's recent comments indicate that the
administration does not seem to understand this basic principle.
"This incident demonstrates once again that the 'faith-based' initiative
is
a bad idea," Lynn concluded. "When government tries to fund religious
ministries, constitutional problems are inevitable."
Americans United is a religious liberty watchdog group based in
Washington,
D.C. Founded in 1947, the organization educates Americans about the
importance of church-state separation in safeguarding religious freedom.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: No funding for "Fringe" religions |
03 Dec 2003 02:43:11 PM |
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"Dave Thompson" <dav13795@wdmdx1.com> wrote:
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:|<buckeye-ELO@noapam.net> wrote in message
:|news:ok9ssv46ilf07nknojnb4uq5eikj5idh7k@4ax.com...
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:|> AMERICANS UNITED CRITICIZES 'FAITH CZAR' FOR COMMENTS ABOUT 'FRINGE'
:|> RELIGIONS
:|>
:|> Towey Remarks Show Bush Administration Does Not Intend To Be Even-Handed
:|In
:|> 'Faith-Based' Initiative, AU Charges
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:|>
:|> Americans United for Separation of Church and State has criticized White
:|> House "Faith Czar" James Towey for suggesting that "fringe" religious
:|> groups won't get funding under the Bush administration's "faith-based"
:|> initiative.
:|>
:|> During a Nov. 26 online "Ask the White House" question-and-answer session,
:|> Towey was asked about the possibility of Pagan groups getting tax funding
:|> to provide services to the poor and needy.
:|>
:|> According to the White House transcript of the session, Towey replied, "I
:|> haven't run into a pagan faith-based group yet, much less a pagan group
:|> that cares for the poor! Once you make it clear to any applicant that
:|> public money must go to public purposes and can't be used to promote
:|> ideology, the fringe groups lose interest. Helping the poor is tough work
:|> and only those with loving hearts seem drawn to it."
:|
:|The real irony here is the part about telling religious groups they won't be
:|able to promote ideology. The fundamentalists were specifically told that
:|they would be able to proselytize to get them on board. If you remember, Pat
:|Robertson was against the Faith Based Initiative after he was told by the
:|original Faith Czar that fringe religions would have access, the EEO rules
:|would apply to them when hiring, and that proselytizing and charity programs
:|would have to be seperate. To get him on board they conceeded on all three
:|counts and got the Faith Czar to resign. The man is lying through his teeth.
They also gave Pat Robertson money from those very funds, a good deal of
money, for his CBN/Regent empire.
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| User: "Woden" |
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| Title: Re: No funding for "Fringe" religions |
03 Dec 2003 10:49:35 PM |
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wrote in
news:ok9ssv46ilf07nknojnb4uq5eikj5idh7k@4ax.com:
AMERICANS UNITED CRITICIZES ‘FAITH CZAR’ FOR COMMENTS ABOUT ‘FRINGE’
RELIGIONS
Towey Remarks Show Bush Administration Does Not Intend To Be
Even-Handed In ‘Faith-Based’ Initiative, AU Charges
Americans United for Separation of Church and State has criticized
White House “Faith Czar” James Towey for suggesting that “fringe”
religious groups won’t get funding under the Bush administration’s
“faith-based” initiative.
During a Nov. 26 online “Ask the White House” question-and-answer
session, Towey was asked about the possibility of Pagan groups getting
tax funding to provide services to the poor and needy.
According to the White House transcript of the session, Towey replied,
“I haven't run into a pagan faith-based group yet, much less a pagan
group that cares for the poor! Once you make it clear to any applicant
that public money must go to public purposes and can't be used to
promote ideology, the fringe groups lose interest. Helping the poor is
tough work and only those with loving hearts seem drawn to it.”
In a letter delivered to Towey today, Americans United Executive
Director Barry W. Lynn asked the administration official to apologize
to members of the Pagan community and reaffirm his support for the
principle that government will treat all religions equally.
“Your reply is problematic for several reasons,” Lynn wrote to Towey.
“Most troublingly, it implies that the Bush administration intends to
discriminate against certain faith-groups from the outset. This is a
curious stand for you to take, as you have repeatedly insisted that
the administration will not play favorites among religious groups
under the faith-based initiative.”
Lynn urged Towey to retract the comments, writing, “I urge you today,
first of all, to apologize to the members of America’s Wiccan/Pagan
community and, secondly, to reaffirm the administration’s commitment
to the principle that no religious groups will be summarily excluded
from faith-based programs because of prejudicial or inaccurate
perceptions of any religious organization.”
Lynn charged that Towey and other administration officials have misled
the American people by claiming that the faith-based initiative will
be open to all religious groups but then asserting that certain groups
will be summarily denied funding.
“Government can’t play favorites when it comes to religion,” Lynn
said. “If religiously affiliated social services are funded, it must
be done on an even-handed basis. Mr. Towey’s recent comments indicate
that the administration does not seem to understand this basic
principle.
“This incident demonstrates once again that the ‘faith-based’
initiative is a bad idea,” Lynn concluded. “When government tries to
fund religious ministries, constitutional problems are inevitable.”
Americans United is a religious liberty watchdog group based in
Washington, D.C. Founded in 1947, the organization educates Americans
about the importance of church-state separation in safeguarding
religious freedom.
****************************************************************
Hey, com'on guys, get off it. It's political payback time. How much
money did those "fringe religions" give to the Bush campaign? Very
little I suspect. So what gives them the right to expect a handout from
the gov't?
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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| Title: Re: No funding for "Fringe" religions |
04 Dec 2003 12:41:13 AM |
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"Woden" <woden@charter.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9446F2790152wodencharternet@216.168.3.44...
buckeye-ELO@noapam.net wrote in
news:ok9ssv46ilf07nknojnb4uq5eikj5idh7k@4ax.com:
AMERICANS UNITED CRITICIZES 'FAITH CZAR' FOR COMMENTS ABOUT 'FRINGE'
RELIGIONS
Towey Remarks Show Bush Administration Does Not Intend To Be
Even-Handed In 'Faith-Based' Initiative, AU Charges
Americans United for Separation of Church and State has criticized
White House "Faith Czar" James Towey for suggesting that "fringe"
religious groups won't get funding under the Bush administration's
"faith-based" initiative.
During a Nov. 26 online "Ask the White House" question-and-answer
session, Towey was asked about the possibility of Pagan groups getting
tax funding to provide services to the poor and needy.
According to the White House transcript of the session, Towey replied,
"I haven't run into a pagan faith-based group yet, much less a pagan
group that cares for the poor! Once you make it clear to any applicant
that public money must go to public purposes and can't be used to
promote ideology, the fringe groups lose interest. Helping the poor is
tough work and only those with loving hearts seem drawn to it."
In a letter delivered to Towey today, Americans United Executive
Director Barry W. Lynn asked the administration official to apologize
to members of the Pagan community and reaffirm his support for the
principle that government will treat all religions equally.
"Your reply is problematic for several reasons," Lynn wrote to Towey.
"Most troublingly, it implies that the Bush administration intends to
discriminate against certain faith-groups from the outset. This is a
curious stand for you to take, as you have repeatedly insisted that
the administration will not play favorites among religious groups
under the faith-based initiative."
Lynn urged Towey to retract the comments, writing, "I urge you today,
first of all, to apologize to the members of America's Wiccan/Pagan
community and, secondly, to reaffirm the administration's commitment
to the principle that no religious groups will be summarily excluded
from faith-based programs because of prejudicial or inaccurate
perceptions of any religious organization."
Lynn charged that Towey and other administration officials have misled
the American people by claiming that the faith-based initiative will
be open to all religious groups but then asserting that certain groups
will be summarily denied funding.
"Government can't play favorites when it comes to religion," Lynn
said. "If religiously affiliated social services are funded, it must
be done on an even-handed basis. Mr. Towey's recent comments indicate
that the administration does not seem to understand this basic
principle.
"This incident demonstrates once again that the 'faith-based'
initiative is a bad idea," Lynn concluded. "When government tries to
fund religious ministries, constitutional problems are inevitable."
Americans United is a religious liberty watchdog group based in
Washington, D.C. Founded in 1947, the organization educates Americans
about the importance of church-state separation in safeguarding
religious freedom.
****************************************************************
Hey, com'on guys, get off it. It's political payback time. How much
money did those "fringe religions" give to the Bush campaign? Very
little I suspect. So what gives them the right to expect a handout from
the gov't?
I love the bit about pagans not having loving hearts. huh! as if christians
do! 90% of the atheists I know do charity work. exactly one theist does, and
that's about 2% I estimate, and he's an insane baptist born-again missionary
(my father). all the other theists I know do jack-all.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: No funding for "Fringe" religions |
03 Dec 2003 10:30:56 PM |
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:08:31 -0500, posted in
alt.atheism:
In a letter delivered to Towey today, Americans United Executive Director
Barry W. Lynn asked the administration official to apologize to members of
the Pagan community and reaffirm his support for the principle that
government will treat all religions equally.
“Your reply is problematic for several reasons,” Lynn wrote to Towey. “Most
troublingly, it implies that the Bush administration intends to
discriminate against certain faith-groups from the outset. This is a
curious stand for you to take, as you have repeatedly insisted that the
administration will not play favorites among religious groups under the
faith-based initiative.”
Barry needs a translator:
"We will not play favorites among religious groups. All
fundamentalist Christians requesting money under the faith-based
initiative will be funded equally."
--
"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their
numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion,
only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
-A. Einstein (Letter to Edgar Meyer, Jan. 2, 1915)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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