"Jake M. Hilshongrabist" <lundgren@thefifthgraveyard.us> wrote in message
news:Xns9908BCED26E4AICIP@217.22.228.20...

Let's have peace, brothers. There is no need to spout abuse, even if you
disagree. We are all children of God, and this is a fact no one can deny.
Let us live in peace.

From my absolutely *dreadful* treatment I've received out my way I've
learned that all this love and peace stuff certain 'Christians' mouth all to
easily is just empty 'talk' without the 'walk'. The fact that 'Christians'
can treat a nonbeliever so shabbily; show such contempt, disdain, and
disrespect for the nonbeliever -- and for nothing more than a lack of belief
on the part of the unbeliever -- and yet proudly consider themselves morally
upright, even morally superior to the atheist shows just how 'twisted' the
mind of your average phony-baloney Christian truly is.

'Children of God'? 'A fact no one can deny? Listen to yourself. You're only
fooling yourself with your blustering. You have no basis of truth to make
those claims -- and you *know* it. You're just spouting empty, hollow,
phrases without the slightest bit of proof to back them up. Were supposed to
be impressed with the 'all show, no go' empty bag of nothing you're trying
to present us? Hah! You should be embarrassed that you typed such empty,
vacuous gobbledygook so devoid of truth. Where in the hell do you see *any*
basis for what you're asserting? Are you that blind and deluded not to see
that your 'God' is a made-up, make-believe one? Can't you see that there's
no one at 'home'? (And never was.)

Well, I can agree with at least one thing you said, lets *do* 'live in
peace'. Stop pushing the nonsense down everyone's throat. It tends to make
you want to throw up.

Greywolf

"Jake M. Hilshongrabist" wrote:

Let's have peace, brothers. There is no need to spout abuse, even if you
disagree. We are all children of God, and this is a fact no one can deny.
Let us live in peace.

Well I CAN deny it right away.

For starters, in the case of we 'children of god' about one in 400,000 of
us, as a fetus, arrive, so grossly deformed the parents are not allowed to
see it [it arrives dead of course]

Then there are animals suffering from the same thing - a duck in England on
TV yesterday with four legs.

We are the product of the evolutionary process, most of the time things go
right, but then there are hiccups such as those above plus tens of thousands
of others.

In article <Xns9908BCED26E4AI...@217.22.228.20>,
"Jake M. Hilshongrabist" <lundg...@thefifthgraveyard.us> wrote:

Let's have peace, brothers. There is no need to spout abuse, even if you
disagree. We are all children of God, and this is a fact no one can deny.
Let us live in peace.

If want peace, why are you posting this to an atheist newsgroup?
--

Jake M. Hilshongrabist

Let's have peace, brothers. There is no need to spout abuse, even if
you
disagree.

We are all children of God, and this is a fact no one can
deny.

Let us live in peace.

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********


V:


Don't feel too bad Jake

I apologize for the members harsh remarks to you, but this is how it
is with spiritually sick atheists.

If you develop some thick skin, the profanities, threats and insults
will bounce off you like rain shed off goretex.

As you can see below, the defiance based, mind manacled atheist can go
out of their way to be very cruel.

With a Buddhist practice, you realize such people are good vehicles
for one to develop compassion.

The Buddhists follow the eightfold path of right living and one of
these paths encompasses right speech.

One time I brought up this subject of right speech at alt.atheism and
was responded to as such.

Robibnikoff wrote: "So. Fucking what...do you think I give a flying
***** what you think, dipshit...Not that it's any of YOUR fucking
business...Don't presume that you know what's best for me, you
deluded, motherfucking, cocksucking son of a *****." (condensed)

With my first few posts, I offered to discuss tools that the atheist,
agnostic or theist can use develop inner peace.

These are just a few of the response from alt.athyeim on the subjects
of compassion, simplicity, ethics, morals, mindfulness, reciprocity,
charity, accepting impermanence, gratitude etc.


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Kate wrote: "I've never been not at peace. What you offer makes me
physically ill. It's like a nasty man come round to tell little
kiddees he has candy for them if they touch his pee pee. You know,
most of the atheists I know are as good as children are at discerning
misrepresentation. You aren't trying to help anyone but your own
self. Go away, we have no interest in touching your pee pee."

John Baker wrote: "First of all, this is a newsgroup, not the
freaking public library. Keep it short and to the point. Second,
you're full of *****."

Christopher A. Lee wrote: "What the ***** has philosophy got to do
with your in-your-face psychopathy?"

Michael Gray wrote: "Stop posting your vile polemic deliberately
nasty, lying Christian? . Please go away. No-one is buying your
poisonous diatribe. Are you really this stupid, or just pretending?"

Christopher A. Lee wrote: "We know this deliberately nasty,
slandering liar is a Christian by his fruits...a liar as well as an
idiot...don't be so fucking stupid."

Christopher A. Lee wrote: "You wouldn't know "virtuous behaviour" if
it hit you over the head, whining hypocrite who needs to get the log
out of his own eye before accusing us of a projection of his own
deficiencies."

Christopher A. Lee wrote: "a few hundred lines of irrelevant *****
by a whining hypocrite who
doesn't practice what he preaches, deleted"

Robibnikoff wrote: "Shaddup, you *****."

Michael Gray wrote: "There ain't nothin' lamer than a jabriol
fuckwit"

Christopher A. Lee wrote: "Whi give a *****, in-your-face stuipid
moron?"

John Baker wrote: 'I'd almost feel sorry for him if he wasn't such
a disgusting piece of *****."

Robibnikoff wrote: "I hope that stupid fucker (V) doesn't think I
actually read all that dog ***** he posts."

Robibnikoff wrote: "....no one gives a ***** what you think."

Christopher A. Lee wrote: "So fucking what? Keep it to yourself and
nobody will know what an ***** you are."

Stoney wrote: Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to shove a
wooden cross up their arses and rotate at a high rate of speed. I
trust you'll be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


I could send you an almost endless supply of such material to prove
the point that without spiritual values, the atheist is sunk. The
conundrum of the mind manacled, defiance based, spiritually sick
atheist is this. They need spiritual values to be at peace - yet their
own defiance blocks them from seeking and finding these values.

The atheist that only has a foundation of ego and hate will never find
peace. If any theist questioning their faith should wonder onto
alt.atheism, for instance, they could see this for themselves with
many spiritually sick example members and their projection of this
spiritual sickness and self hate onto others


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mark K Bilbo wrote: "..you're an *****...a self-absorbed *****
who thinks everything is about him."

Mark K Bilbo wrote: "For a "peace" freak, you sure are a spiteful
little *****."

Panama Floyd wrote: "...this guy is funny. Why don't we wait a while
before we eat him? Maybe he'll poopie himself!."

John Baker wrote: "Oh, shut the ***** up, you self-righteous twit."

Robibnikoff wrote: "***** you, liar"

Robibnikoff wrote: "Blah, blah, blah... you boring sack of *****."

Michael Gray wrote: "You exhibit all the signs of full clinical
sociopathy, if not actual psychopathy. You need professional help, but
won't take it, as that would entail admitting that the Fuckups that
are always happening to you are YOUR fault."

Michael Gray wrote: "If you insist upon continuing to strut your
massive ego and miniscule education in alt.atheism, we'll use you for
target practice, until we get bored with your repetitious long-winded
empty-headed *****-frosted ignorance."

Michael Gray wrote: "What do you expect from a lying sack of *****?"

Raven1 wrote: "God, will you get over that fucking ego of yours
already?"


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


All atheists are not like this. Some spiritual based atheist far
surpass theists in compassion and inner peace. The troubling thing at
alt.atheism is no one speaks out against such illness and this IS
being promoted as atheistic view. I wrote to the president of American
Atheists, I wrote to the UK Atheists as well s a Secular Humanist
Foundation and Sam Harris about this very topic...none had the
courtesy to respond.

I try to offer some advice of right speech, but atheists in general
are a defiant lot and don't like advice unless it stems from their own
ego. There are also too many sick individuals to counsel and it would
be hard to do even if a dozen took on the job, let alone one person.

Atheists are their own worse enemy when it comes to promoting their
cause and trampling over organized religion. Just as the bible is a
major force with theists leaving religion, the spiritually sick, mind
manacled, defiance based atheist is the best reason that theists
return to their religion. Such wavering theists quickly come to
realize that without a foundation spirituality the atheist is sunk and
rapidly head back to their church, temple or fellowship to get away
from such people.

I brought up the topic of developing a 'church of sorts' or atheist
fellowship to lend guidance and support for right living and
reinforcing the ethics morals and the ideals of atheists and secular
humanism.

I'll leave you with just a few more quotes from Panama Floyd as he
writes on the subject of developing human empathy and compassion to
support moral, ethical and right living through such a fellowship:


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Panama Floyd wrote: "The only thing I need to "support moral,
ethical and right living" is simple human empathy and compassion. That
anyone would need anything else is a mystery to me. Perhaps I'm just a
better person than they are."

Panama Floyd wrote: "Then don't whine like a ***** when your butt
gets fucked,"

Panama Floyd wrote:: "...Take it (bible) and shove it up that smelly
little ***** you're using for a *****."

Panama Floyd wrote: "You're not smart enough, or brave enough to be
an atheist. Keep your idiotic dead-jew-on-a-stick, buttsuck. Fear of
it is probably the only thing keeping you from having sex with your
siblings."

Panama Floyd wrote: "Shaddap, *****. If I want your opinion, I'll
give you one."

Panama Floyd wrote:: "Go ***** yourself, Christian...Were I a violent
man, I'd advocate you all being rounded up and jailed, to keep you
from ruining other lives."

Panama Floyd wrote: "Go ***** yourself, shitstain. You come in here
and insult people-and then whine about the reception you get? *****, I
wish it caused you physical pain to be so ruthlessly stupid."

Panama Floyd wrote: "***** ya brainless fucking twat!"

Panama Floyd wrote: "***** Jesus. Your dead-jew-on-a-stick probably
never existed, and if he did, he was man-not a god. I don't take
"commands" from an illiterate, superstitious Bronze Age peasant.'

Panama Floyd: wrote: "What are *you* doing back here, you dumb *****-
assed punk? Ways of disposing with the human garbage called
"missionaries" is very definately on-topic."

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


And if you find such abuse intolerable, then by all means head over to
a moderated atheist group. They are not perfect and abuse still rears
its ugly head. But such hatred is more of the underlying type that you
sense in the tone of their post and is not as blatant as the sick
atheist here exhibit.

And if you stay, you cans till benefit from your experience.

1 - You can do as the Buddhists do and use such abusive people to
practice developing compassion for.

2 - You can use such people as examples of what not to do and do the
opposite.

3 - There are some positive lessons to be learned here. They are rare
in their occurrence, but if you read, write in and hang around you
will find them...I have.


Good luck,


V (Male)

Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2

I apologize for the members harsh remarks to you, but this is how it
is with spiritually sick atheists.

Jake M. Hilshongrabist

Let's have peace, brothers. There is no need to spout abuse, even if
you
disagree. We are all children of God, and this is a fact no one can
deny.
Let us live in peace.

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********


V:


Don't feel too bad Jake

I apologize for the members harsh remarks to you, but this is how it
is with spiritually sick atheists.

If you develop some thick skin, the profanities, threats and insults
will bounce off you like rain shed off goretex.

As you can see below, the defiance based, mind manacled atheist can go
out of their way to be very cruel.

With a Buddhist practice, you realize such people are good vehicles
for one to develop compassion.

The Buddhists follow the eightfold path of right living and one of
these paths encompasses right speech.

One time I brought up this subject of right speech at alt.atheism and
was responded to as such.

Robibnikoff wrote: "So. Fucking what...do you think I give a flying
***** what you think, dipshit...Not that it's any of YOUR fucking
business...Don't presume that you know what's best for me, you
deluded, motherfucking, cocksucking son of a *****." (condensed)

With my first few posts, I offered to discuss tools that the atheist,
agnostic or theist can use develop inner peace.

These are just a few of the response from alt.athyeim on the subjects
of compassion, simplicity, ethics, morals, mindfulness, reciprocity,
charity, accepting impermanence, gratitude etc.


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Kate wrote: "I've never been not at peace. What you offer makes me
physically ill. It's like a nasty man come round to tell little
kiddees he has candy for them if they touch his pee pee. You know,
most of the atheists I know are as good as children are at discerning
misrepresentation. You aren't trying to help anyone but your own
self. Go away, we have no interest in touching your pee pee."

John Baker wrote: "First of all, this is a newsgroup, not the
freaking public library. Keep it short and to the point. Second,
you're full of *****."

Christopher A. Lee wrote: "What the ***** has philosophy got to do
with your in-your-face psychopathy?"

Michael Gray wrote: "Stop posting your vile polemic deliberately
nasty, lying Christian? . Please go away. No-one is buying your
poisonous diatribe. Are you really this stupid, or just pretending?"

Christopher A. Lee wrote: "We know this deliberately nasty,
slandering liar is a Christian by his fruits...a liar as well as an
idiot...don't be so fucking stupid."

Christopher A. Lee wrote: "You wouldn't know "virtuous behaviour" if
it hit you over the head, whining hypocrite who needs to get the log
out of his own eye before accusing us of a projection of his own
deficiencies."

Christopher A. Lee wrote: "a few hundred lines of irrelevant *****
by a whining hypocrite who
doesn't practice what he preaches, deleted"

Robibnikoff wrote: "Shaddup, you *****."

Michael Gray wrote: "There ain't nothin' lamer than a jabriol
fuckwit"

Christopher A. Lee wrote: "Whi give a *****, in-your-face stuipid
moron?"

John Baker wrote: 'I'd almost feel sorry for him if he wasn't such
a disgusting piece of *****."

Robibnikoff wrote: "I hope that stupid fucker (V) doesn't think I
actually read all that dog ***** he posts."

Robibnikoff wrote: "....no one gives a ***** what you think."

Christopher A. Lee wrote: "So fucking what? Keep it to yourself and
nobody will know what an ***** you are."

Stoney wrote: Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to shove a
wooden cross up their arses and rotate at a high rate of speed. I
trust you'll be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


I could send you an almost endless supply of such material to prove
the point that without spiritual values, the atheist is sunk. The
conundrum of the mind manacled, defiance based, spiritually sick
atheist is this. They need spiritual values to be at peace - yet their
own defiance blocks them from seeking and finding these values.

The atheist that only has a foundation of ego and hate will never find
peace. If any theist questioning their faith should wonder onto
alt.atheism, for instance, they could see this for themselves with
many spiritually sick example members and their projection of this
spiritual sickness and self hate onto others


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mark K Bilbo wrote: "..you're an *****...a self-absorbed *****
who thinks everything is about him."

Mark K Bilbo wrote: "For a "peace" freak, you sure are a spiteful
little *****."

Panama Floyd wrote: "...this guy is funny. Why don't we wait a while
before we eat him? Maybe he'll poopie himself!."

John Baker wrote: "Oh, shut the ***** up, you self-righteous twit."

Robibnikoff wrote: "***** you, liar"

Robibnikoff wrote: "Blah, blah, blah... you boring sack of *****."

Michael Gray wrote: "You exhibit all the signs of full clinical
sociopathy, if not actual psychopathy. You need professional help, but
won't take it, as that would entail admitting that the Fuckups that
are always happening to you are YOUR fault."

Michael Gray wrote: "If you insist upon continuing to strut your
massive ego and miniscule education in alt.atheism, we'll use you for
target practice, until we get bored with your repetitious long-winded
empty-headed *****-frosted ignorance."

Michael Gray wrote: "What do you expect from a lying sack of *****?"

Raven1 wrote: "God, will you get over that fucking ego of yours
already?"


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


All atheists are not like this. Some spiritual based atheist far
surpass theists in compassion and inner peace. The troubling thing at
alt.atheism is no one speaks out against such illness and this IS
being promoted as atheistic view. I wrote to the president of American
Atheists, I wrote to the UK Atheists as well s a Secular Humanist
Foundation and Sam Harris about this very topic...none had the
courtesy to respond.

I try to offer some advice of right speech, but atheists in general
are a defiant lot and don't like advice unless it stems from their own
ego. There are also too many sick individuals to counsel and it would
be hard to do even if a dozen took on the job, let alone one person.

Atheists are their own worse enemy when it comes to promoting their
cause and trampling over organized religion. Just as the bible is a
major force with theists leaving religion, the spiritually sick, mind
manacled, defiance based atheist is the best reason that theists
return to their religion. Such wavering theists quickly come to
realize that without a foundation spirituality the atheist is sunk and
rapidly head back to their church, temple or fellowship to get away
from such people.

I brought up the topic of developing a 'church of sorts' or atheist
fellowship to lend guidance and support for right living and
reinforcing the ethics morals and the ideals of atheists and secular
humanism.

I'll leave you with just a few more quotes from Panama Floyd as he
writes on the subject of developing human empathy and compassion to
support moral, ethical and right living through such a fellowship:


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Panama Floyd wrote: "The only thing I need to "support moral,
ethical and right living" is simple human empathy and compassion. That
anyone would need anything else is a mystery to me. Perhaps I'm just a
better person than they are."

Panama Floyd wrote: "Then don't whine like a ***** when your butt
gets fucked,"

Panama Floyd wrote:: "...Take it (bible) and shove it up that smelly
little ***** you're using for a *****."

Panama Floyd wrote: "You're not smart enough, or brave enough to be
an atheist. Keep your idiotic dead-jew-on-a-stick, buttsuck. Fear of
it is probably the only thing keeping you from having sex with your
siblings."

Panama Floyd wrote: "Shaddap, *****. If I want your opinion, I'll
give you one."

Panama Floyd wrote:: "Go ***** yourself, Christian...Were I a violent
man, I'd advocate you all being rounded up and jailed, to keep you
from ruining other lives."

Panama Floyd wrote: "Go ***** yourself, shitstain. You come in here
and insult people-and then whine about the reception you get? *****, I
wish it caused you physical pain to be so ruthlessly stupid."

Panama Floyd wrote: "***** ya brainless fucking twat!"

Panama Floyd wrote: "***** Jesus. Your dead-jew-on-a-stick probably
never existed, and if he did, he was man-not a god. I don't take
"commands" from an illiterate, superstitious Bronze Age peasant.'

Panama Floyd: wrote: "What are *you* doing back here, you dumb *****-
assed punk? Ways of disposing with the human garbage called
"missionaries" is very definately on-topic."

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


And if you find such abuse intolerable, then by all means head over to
a moderated atheist group. They are not perfect and abuse still rears
its ugly head. But such hatred is more of the underlying type that you
sense in the tone of their post and is not as blatant as the sick
atheist here exhibit.

And if you stay, you cans till benefit from your experience.

1 - You can do as the Buddhists do and use such abusive people to
practice developing compassion for.

2 - You can use such people as examples of what not to do and do the
opposite.

3 - There are some positive lessons to be learned here. They are rare
in their occurrence, but if you read, write in and hang around you
will find them...I have.


Good luck,


V (Male)

Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2

Jake M. Hilshongrabist

Let's have peace, brothers. There is no need to spout abuse, even if
you
disagree. We are all children of God, and this is a fact no one can
deny.
Let us live in peace.

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********


V:


Don't feel too bad Jake

I apologize for the members harsh remarks to you, but this is how it
is with spiritually sick atheists.

If you develop some thick skin, the profanities, threats and insults
will bounce off you like rain shed off goretex.

As you can see below, the defiance based, mind manacled atheist can go
out of their way to be very cruel.

With a Buddhist practice, you realize such people are good vehicles
for one to develop compassion.

The Buddhists follow the eightfold path of right living and one of
these paths encompasses right speech.

One time I brought up this subject of right speech at alt.atheism and
was responded to as such.

Robibnikoff wrote: "So. Fucking what...do you think I give a flying
***** what you think, dipshit...Not that it's any of YOUR fucking
business...Don't presume that you know what's best for me, you
deluded, motherfucking, cocksucking son of a *****." (condensed)

With my first few posts, I offered to discuss tools that the atheist,
agnostic or theist can use develop inner peace.

These are just a few of the response from alt.athyeim on the subjects
of compassion, simplicity, ethics, morals, mindfulness, reciprocity,
charity, accepting impermanence, gratitude etc.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Kate wrote: "I've never been not at peace. What you offer makes me
physically ill. It's like a nasty man come round to tell little
kiddees he has candy for them if they touch his pee pee. You know,
most of the atheists I know are as good as children are at discerning
misrepresentation. You aren't trying to help anyone but your own
self. Go away, we have no interest in touching your pee pee."

John Baker wrote: "First of all, this is a newsgroup, not the
freaking public library. Keep it short and to the point. Second,
you're full of *****."

Christopher A. Lee wrote: "What the ***** has philosophy got to do
with your in-your-face psychopathy?"

Michael Gray wrote: "Stop posting your vile polemic deliberately
nasty, lying Christian? . Please go away. No-one is buying your
poisonous diatribe. Are you really this stupid, or just pretending?"

Christopher A. Lee wrote: "We know this deliberately nasty,
slandering liar is a Christian by his fruits...a liar as well as an
idiot...don't be so fucking stupid."

Christopher A. Lee wrote: "You wouldn't know "virtuous behaviour" if
it hit you over the head, whining hypocrite who needs to get the log
out of his own eye before accusing us of a projection of his own
deficiencies."

Christopher A. Lee wrote: "a few hundred lines of irrelevant *****
by a whining hypocrite who
doesn't practice what he preaches, deleted"

Robibnikoff wrote: "Shaddup, you *****."

Michael Gray wrote: "There ain't nothin' lamer than a jabriol
fuckwit"

Christopher A. Lee wrote: "Whi give a *****, in-your-face stuipid
moron?"

John Baker wrote: 'I'd almost feel sorry for him if he wasn't such
a disgusting piece of *****."

Robibnikoff wrote: "I hope that stupid fucker (V) doesn't think I
actually read all that dog ***** he posts."

Robibnikoff wrote: "....no one gives a ***** what you think."

Christopher A. Lee wrote: "So fucking what? Keep it to yourself and
nobody will know what an ***** you are."

Stoney wrote: Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to shove a
wooden cross up their arses and rotate at a high rate of speed. I
trust you'll be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


I could send you an almost endless supply of such material to prove
the point that without spiritual values, the atheist is sunk. The
conundrum of the mind manacled, defiance based, spiritually sick
atheist is this. They need spiritual values to be at peace - yet their
own defiance blocks them from seeking and finding these values.

The atheist that only has a foundation of ego and hate will never find
peace. If any theist questioning their faith should wonder onto
alt.atheism, for instance, they could see this for themselves with
many spiritually sick example members and their projection of this
spiritual sickness and self hate onto others

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mark K Bilbo wrote: "..you're an *****...a self-absorbed *****
who thinks everything is about him."

Mark K Bilbo wrote: "For a "peace" freak, you sure are a spiteful
little *****."

Panama Floyd wrote: "...this guy is funny. Why don't we wait a while
before we eat him? Maybe he'll poopie himself!."

John Baker wrote: "Oh, shut the ***** up, you self-righteous twit."

Robibnikoff wrote: "***** you, liar"

Robibnikoff wrote: "Blah, blah, blah... you boring sack of *****."

Michael Gray wrote: "You exhibit all the signs of full clinical
sociopathy, if not actual psychopathy. You need professional help, but
won't take it, as that would entail admitting that the Fuckups that
are always happening to you are YOUR fault."

Michael Gray wrote: "If you insist upon continuing to strut your
massive ego and miniscule education in alt.atheism, we'll use you for
target practice, until we get bored with your repetitious long-winded
empty-headed *****-frosted ignorance."

Michael Gray wrote: "What do you expect from a lying sack of *****?"

Raven1 wrote: "God, will you get over that fucking ego of yours
already?"

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


All atheists are not like this. Some spiritual based atheist far
surpass theists in compassion and inner peace. The troubling thing at
alt.atheism is no one speaks out against such illness and this IS
being promoted as atheistic view. I wrote to the president of American
Atheists, I wrote to the UK Atheists as well s a Secular Humanist
Foundation and Sam Harris about this very topic...none had the
courtesy to respond.

I try to offer some advice of right speech, but atheists in general
are a defiant lot and don't like advice unless it stems from their own
ego. There are also too many sick individuals to counsel and it would
be hard to do even if a dozen took on the job, let alone one person.

Atheists are their own worse enemy when it comes to promoting their
cause and trampling over organized religion. Just as the bible is a
major force with theists leaving religion, the spiritually sick, mind
manacled, defiance based atheist is the best reason that theists
return to their religion. Such wavering theists quickly come to
realize that without a foundation spirituality the atheist is sunk and
rapidly head back to their church, temple or fellowship to get away
from such people.

I brought up the topic of developing a 'church of sorts' or atheist
fellowship to lend guidance and support for right living and
reinforcing the ethics morals and the ideals of atheists and secular
humanism.

I'll leave you with just a few more quotes from Panama Floyd as he
writes on the subject of developing human empathy and compassion to
support moral, ethical and right living through such a fellowship:


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Panama Floyd wrote: "The only thing I need to "support moral,
ethical and right living" is simple human empathy and compassion. That
anyone would need anything else is a mystery to me. Perhaps I'm just a
better person than they are."

Panama Floyd wrote: "Then don't whine like a ***** when your butt
gets fucked,"

Panama Floyd wrote:: "...Take it (bible) and shove it up that smelly
little ***** you're using for a *****."

Panama Floyd wrote: "You're not smart enough, or brave enough to be
an atheist. Keep your idiotic dead-jew-on-a-stick, buttsuck. Fear of
it is probably the only thing keeping you from having sex with your
siblings."

Panama Floyd wrote: "Shaddap, *****. If I want your opinion, I'll
give you one."

Panama Floyd wrote:: "Go ***** yourself, Christian...Were I a violent
man, I'd advocate you all being rounded up and jailed, to keep you
from ruining other lives."

Panama Floyd wrote: "Go ***** yourself, shitstain. You come in here
and insult people-and then whine about the reception you get? *****, I
wish it caused you physical pain to be so ruthlessly stupid."

Panama Floyd wrote: "***** ya brainless fucking twat!"

Panama Floyd wrote: "***** Jesus. Your dead-jew-on-a-stick probably
never existed, and if he did, he was man-not a god. I don't take
"commands" from an illiterate, superstitious Bronze Age peasant.'

Panama Floyd: wrote: "What are *you* doing back here, you dumb *****-
assed punk? Ways of disposing with the human garbage called
"missionaries" is very definately on-topic."

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And if you find such abuse intolerable, then by all means head over to
a moderated atheist group. They are not perfect and abuse still rears
its ugly head. But such hatred is more of the underlying type that you
sense in the tone of their post and is not as blatant as the sick
atheist here exhibit.

An